Roving Reporters


The Outfoxed gals are in rare form: doctoring quotes, mangling facts, and jumping to grandiosely wrong conclusions. With J$P Audio! Updated!

They haven't had a very good week over at the kennel (aka the newshounds, another fine product of the Outfoxed syndicate). It just one thing after another. Like newspup nancy, who sought to make a federal case out of referring to John Kerry without the title "Senator". It was so important to her that she brought it up repeatedly:
11:13am - teasers included: "John Kerry" [comment: note no honorific] "has some advice for the President"...Asman interviewed Sen Trent Lott (R-MS) [comment: making sure, unlike Quinn, to use his title] about Bush's speech

But this is nancy, and she is master of the phony quote. Hear for yourself Brigitte Quinn's own words.

Oops. A posted comment asking nancy why she falsified what Quinn said was met with the usual stonewalling.

And then there's the Great Vodafone Controversy:
Today, on FOX News Live (weekend edition) host Brian Wilson waxed enthusiatic [sic] about a new product.

The program name is Weekend Live. It's right up there on the screen. But this is small potatoes compared to what Marie Therese comes up with next:
"We think it could be the next big thing," Wilson said. He then introduced Olivier Attia, the CEO of Scanbuy, which developed the technology being hyped.... Scanbuy and Vodafone are partners. Vodofone [sic] is owned by News Corps [sic]. Therefore, it seems to me that Brian Wilson should have informed his viewers of the fact that FOX News' parent company has a vested interest in the success of Scanbuy.

No documentation for any of these labyrinthine corporate relationships, but hey, it's enough to convince the credulous:
Typically--if a business web site like Motley Fool is giving general advice or reviewing a company, they will say whether the analyst doing the review owns any of the stock of the company that is covered in the review.

it doesn't surprise, but I appreciate you pointing that fact out, Marie.

Just one slight problem. Vodafone is not owned by News Corp. (Neither is "Vodofone"). Oops again. One reader who was not so gullible inquired of M-T where she got the idea that News Corp owned Vodafone. In mere minutes the entire report disappeared from the main page index, and M-T later put up a new article:
For those of you who read my post earlier today claiming that News Corps [sic] owned Vivendi, it was an error. I used a financial information website that appeared to list Vivendi Universal as a holding of News Corps [sic].

Come again? How did Vodafone morph into Vivendi? Does any of this make one minute of sense?

But the real fun came as the anti-Fox terriers went into a lather about Lawrence O'Donnell's Karl-Rove-as-leaker theory. One headline reads:
Christmas in July - Karl Rove source of Plame leak

Yes, all it takes is the opinion of a discredited pundit who's been all but banned from his news channel--and it's a fact! Or is it? Newspoodle ellen doesn't seem to have gotten the memo:
I never said that Rove was the leaker.

Umm, yeah, OK. The headline says Rove is the leaker, but you're not saying he was the leaker. Maybe this is a new hound attempt at being "fair and balanced". But don't expect factual accuracy as ellen continues to flail. Based on the fact that she couldn't find any mention of the Rove theory on the foxnews website, she draws her Grand Conclusions:
The lack of FOX News coverage of an important story that broke more than 24 hours ago proves once again that FOX News does not live up to these standards....the lack of coverage on FOX News is telling and contradicts Ailes' insistence that FOX covers all the news..... Fox's silence is just as telling.

Of course, once again the credulous fall right into line:

they are waiting for a talking point defense on the issue to become formulated. Once they come up with one, it will break on The Beltway Boys

Gee, is this any kind of revelation that Ailes is just flat out a liar. Certainly not to me.

This story has truth to it, and if it were not true, Fox News would have talked about it

this will not be covered on FOX or MSNBC because they are owned by the administration. FOX would rather do hours and hours of shock news. This is far to complicated for the dimwitted viewers of those puke fountains to comprehend.

Still keeping a close eye on CNN and MSNBC(can't stomach FOX.sorry) for the first mention of....let's call it 'Rovegate'.So far the silence is deafening but I'm counting the minutes and hours until even these spineless lackeys are obliged to report it.

Of course, the newspooches assume their readers won't watch Fox. They count on the ignorance of their followers in order to be able to sell 57 varieties of nonsense about FNC to people who don't know any better. After all, what's the likelihood that any hound sycophants would actually watch Fox News and see this:



Oops number three! The Rove theory was reported and discussed. Perhaps ellen and her fans would like to answer the question: when did CNN get around to mentioning it? Or MSNBC? (Note: guesses from Lawrence O'Donnell do not count.)

Update: Yet another hound article on O'Donnell's theory appears (July 4, 2:00 pm), and deceitful deborah tells yet another whopper:
At this point there has been no coverage of this explosive story on FNC.

How stoopid do they think people are? Sheesh!

posted: Mon - July 4, 2005 at 03:01 AM       j$p  send 

SLLamp
Is it wrong that I so delight in the increasingly obvious signs that the 'hounds are coming apart at the seams??
 
This comment is so typical of their faithful too:
 
A retraction?
 
You'll never see that on Fox...
 
Posted by: Robster at July 4, 2005 01:57 AM
 
What is it they always accuse FOX of? When the story is not to your benefit, deflect, deflect, deflect...
July 4, 2005, 9:06:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Also johnny, the first paragraph of Ellen's story talks about a "search of FOXNews.com" finding no report on the Rove/Plame story. So, not having found a report on the Web site, Ellen makes the gargantuan leap to state that FOX News Channel is not covering the story. Undoubtedly if challenged she would issue a "clarification" that her assigned beat is FOXNews.com so that is what her comments were directed towards. Even though the last paragraph begins "The lack of FOX News coverage of an important story..." and never once mentions the Web site.
July 4, 2005, 10:01:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well of course all the commenters take ellen's article exactly as she intended it to be taken--that Fox News (in toto) will not cover the story. Comment after comment elaborates on that theme, and ellen does not correct them by saying, "Hey, I was only talking about the website".
 
The slightly inconvenient fact that Fox did in fact cover the story is just so much irrelevancy; they have created the frame and they aren't about to let the truth get in their way.
July 4, 2005, 1:47:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike
But "Canadian Paul" just posted that on Fox "there is no mention of the accusation of the leak being Rove."
 
What would we do without our friends up north to interpret our news!
July 4, 2005, 2:36:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike
Hound News Alert!
 
deborah is in the process of grudgingly changing her last post, although she is still in denial:
 
"I have not seen any coverage on Fox so far but a reader claims it has started so any specifics would be appreciated."
 
(Maybe actually watching Fox would reveal specifics.)
July 4, 2005, 2:46:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Yeah, they watch FOX so other don't have to. Too bad others (unlike the 'hounds) DO watch FOX.
July 4, 2005, 2:59:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I like how they change their article without telling anyone, so that people who come across it have no idea that they were flat-out 100% wrong in what they wrote, and only "adjusted" the wording when they were caught.
 
Or else they make it disappear completely, like the Great Vodafone Controversy. The "reasonable man" guy who nailed them on that one--I wish he had been less reasonable and more sneaky. If he had just let them all pile on the evil Vodafone/NewsCorp connection for a day or so, then it would be that much sweeter to have them WAY out on a limb when it gets sawed off!
July 4, 2005, 3:29:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Yeah and now she is ignoring the posters who ask for an explanation of how Vivendi = Vodafone. And someone tried again to deflect by praising how she could "never work for FOX" because she wants to be accurate.
July 4, 2005, 3:32:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh yeah, her accuracy rate is there for all to behold!
July 4, 2005, 3:46:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
And now Deborah changed it YET AGAIN to say she's been watching "on and off all weekend." So naturally she can make the leap that if she hasn't seen it, it doesn't exist. Or else it was so small it's out of proportion with the enormity of the story. Ignoring the fact that as of now there ISN'T a story, just some opinions out there.
July 4, 2005, 3:58:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike
"JimB" pretty well sums up the open-minded attitude that prevails at the hounds site:
 
"It doesn't matter if you or any one else saw a report on fox. We know ahead of time how they will handle it, BIASED!"
July 4, 2005, 5:58:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
So it went from "there was no coverage" to "it doesn't matter" if there was coverage.
 
Who are the morons and the liars??
July 4, 2005, 6:05:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


solitaire
oh! SLLamp!!! is that last question for Johnny$ frends or Newshound's frends to answer?
:D
July 4, 2005, 7:43:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


solitaire
ok! J$ and Co. joking aside
 
If this alligation is true and Rove did release the name, what would be (in your view) a sutable punishment? 
 
Might take a few day's for me to read your replys! I'm away doing something that's actually important, making my voice heard in the fight to end African poverty. Hope you all are supporting the effort to help those less fortunate than yourselves in Africa.....
July 4, 2005, 7:51:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
solitaire, if Karl Rove or anyone else has done anything worthy of indictment and trial then I think that person should be tried and if convicted someone much wiser than myself should decide the suitable punishment. Good for you getting out there to do something about the plight in Africa. But may I respectfully point out that just because someone doesn't trumpet all the good they are doing, it doesn't mean they aren't doing any.
 
Back to the Vivendi/Vodafone story...Marie Therese is now reporting that Vivendi owns Vodafone. Is that true?
July 4, 2005, 8:49:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Nope, Vivendi and Vodafone are now correctly reported to be two different companies. Correction revised again.
July 5, 2005, 5:36:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
I know this doesn't really relate to this thread, but I had to post a comment from this morning. Another example of their "open-mindedness":
 
" "I have seen this a thousand times in the last 4 years, I know because they did the exact same thing to my message board forums. Then I banned all Republicans and it all stopped."
 
I suggest the News Hounds to do the same and ban all Republicans, however they seem to think it adds to the debate. These people are not here to honesly debate they are here to disrupt with their foolish nonsense. Thanks for posting your valuable experiences of four years running your own site, let's hope the people who run this site will consider what you have suggested.
 
Posted by: df at July 5, 2005 12:54 PM"
 
Ban ALL Republicans? Wow...
July 5, 2005, 1:06:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Jimmy Jumps
Off topic,and just an observation, but I can't help but notice how many of the regular posters on the Newshounds site are Canadians or of nationalities other than Americans. Not that this is a 'bad' thing, but I've also noticed that these particular posters always have the MOST to say about how American government should be run.
July 5, 2005, 2:17:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Jimmy, you mean like this?
 
"From my point of view, Fox seems to make a habit of only getting one side of the story.
 
Particularily adept at this is Bill O'Reilly. I've seen him slam plenty of organizations from Amnesty International to numerous DAs and judges, but I've not actually been witness to him having someone on to speak on behalf of AI or anyone he chooses to slander.
 
I don't get Fox where I live, but I read the website. 
 
When they don't have someone on who supports their point of view, or if they have an opposing point of view, it's generally from someone who is passive and gets few words in, and what they did say is ridiculed or shouted over.
 
Posted by: Canadian Paul at July 5, 2005 06:03 PM"
 
I especially like the "I don't get Fox" comment...
July 5, 2005, 6:36:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
And this morning they are all up in arms about Natalee Holloway's mother convicting the 2 boys who were released without a trial, and the media putting her on air to do it... yet when someone pointed out that they have convicted Rove without a trial just because O'Donnell said he was the one... they ignored the comment.
July 6, 2005, 9:52:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Oh and now, even in the face of having had it pointed out to them on at least 3 different threads that I could find, they are still claiming Rove hasn't been discussed until today:
 
"brokenrob,
 
Thanks for the compliment, it's so nice to receive one after working on a story for 2 1/2 hours. I really just wanted Fox's talking points out there since this is the first time they've brought Rove into the discussion.
 
Donna
 
Posted by: Donna at July 6, 2005 07:18 PM"
July 6, 2005, 7:56:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Jimmy Jumps
"I know this doesn't really relate to this thread, but I had to post a comment from this morning. Another example of their "open-mindedness":
" "I have seen this a thousand times in the last 4 years, I know because they did the exact same thing to my message board forums. Then I banned all Republicans and it all stopped."
Posted by: df at July 5, 2005 12:54 PM"
 
Ban ALL Republicans? Wow...
SLLamp | 07.05.05 - 1:11 pm | 
 
I don't know if anyone is having this 'problem' but I tried to visit the Newshounds site from my home this morning and couldnt get in. I tried my wireless laptop (which uses a different ISP and no problem), I also got to the site from my computer at work. I'm wondering if the Newshounds ARE banning any Republican dissenters. Anyone else experciencing this?
 
BTW: My home computer allowed me to surf ALL the sites in my bookmarks without a problem. Only the Newshounds wouldnt let me in.
July 7, 2005, 10:15:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


SLLamp
Someone else told me the site was down for a time this morning.
July 7, 2005, 8:55:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply