3/3/09 1:21 PM

It's 'Only' a Small Lie

Why make a fuss about something so trivial? Because Fox haters use the drip-drip-drip of repeated small falsehoods to construct their Niagara of lies. In this case it began with the self-styled 'Queen Bee' of the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed cabal). She declared that Fox is "virtually the only news organization" willing to host terrorism maven Steve Emerson. Her source? The discredited, unreliable Think Progress.

Then to reinforce the propaganda, newsmutt Priscilla (she of the dubious track record for honesty) decided to kick it up a notch:

Fox is the only network who interviews and uses information from perhaps paranoid “terrorism expert” Steve Emerson.
Really? The "only" one? Well, yeah, if you don't count his appearances on CNBC, CNN, MSNBC, NBC News, MSNBC, and CNBC. We could could go on with a fistful more from just the past 18 months, but you get the drift.

Remember, when you read anything from the newspoodles, it's sort of like watching Twin Peaks. Nothing is what it seems.




Fox Fan
Speaking of unflattering photos...and that's Ellen's glamor shot!
January 12, 2009, 7:15:59 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"The discredited, unreliable Think Progress."
 
Nuff said.
January 12, 2009, 12:36:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Aeris Gainsborough
Think Progress is a very good source of information, along with:
 
That anti-FOX website (due to J$P's rules, I won't mention the website)...
 
Democrat(IC) Underground (Hey Angry Rich, might as well add the IC, in this case, I emphasized the IC. Don't follow the Pig Man, Angry Rich)
 
OpEdNews
 
Mike Malloy (except on 9/11)
 
Indybay
 
Bartcop
 
BradBlog
 
DailyKos (Yes, this website)
 
Democracy Now
 
and whatever websites that are Progressive-Media Related.
January 12, 2009, 1:13:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
A total of 78 posts on this particular thread at the pound. Not a single one of the minions take the "author" to task or question the validity. Guess they can't use the google? Afraid to?
January 12, 2009, 1:18:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Aeris, I'm sure newshounds, which is often talked about and even linked to in this article despite your lie about the rules here, is a "very good source of information" despite its being discredited and unreliable just like TP.
 
The Onion is also a very good source of information. You just have to realize that the information is false. The only difference is that Onion readers openly understand the intended humor while NH/TP readers are fed the information as if it's fact. Worse yet, they believe it!
 
Oh, and Mike Malloy is a d-bag.
January 12, 2009, 6:13:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Goodness Aeris, I don't mean to offend you, but there are a lot better progressive blogs out there!
 
Try:
 
TPM (talking point memo)
 
TAPPED
 
Tom Watson
January 12, 2009, 7:00:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Aeris,  
 
As for the bluest of blue blogs, my favorite is Hullabaloo. Digby is the progressive blogger I'd most like to sit beside and argue with over a long train ride.
January 12, 2009, 7:11:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Looks like the moderator fell asleep at the switch. The newshounds have debunked and nobody has even noticed.
 
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/16074/ :lol:
January 13, 2009, 12:56:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Interestingly OS, there was some moderation going on, though they didn't reveal that with the standard "edited by siteowner" tag.
 
The post with all the references (currently the last one in the queue) originally had a hat-tip to J$P as source of the information. The mods removed that reference.
 
Why would that be? Was it off-topic? Obscene? Vulgar? Or just not permitted in the kennel?
January 13, 2009, 12:59:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The same reason they allow their beloved minions to call me every name in the book and guess who gets banned? I do! I respond to their lies and slanders and guess who is accused of "hi-jacking the thread?" I am!
 
Horribly unfair and horribly unbalanced, newshounds! That's their new title. I think it has a nice ring to it.
January 13, 2009, 1:27:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.13.09 - 1:32 pm | #  
 
And did you not do your own share of name calling and slander. Just asking.
January 13, 2009, 1:46:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Malaga
Think Progress “Discredited” – by Johnny Dollar? “Unreliable” – by Johnny Dollar? (and of course, the Obama/Madrassa story, carried by Fox, was bogus.) Priscilla “Dubious” – by Johnny Dollar? “Track Record” – by Johnny Dollar? “Honesty” – News Hounds Donna’s post critiqued by Johnny Dollar (not Priscilla’s). Now to Emerson who appears, at the present time, almost exclusively on Fox. (“Virtually” the only network). CNBC – February/September 2008, the rest of the appearances, all 2007 so Emerson is not exactly au courante.
January 13, 2009, 3:04:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
No.
January 13, 2009, 3:14:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Malaga | 01.13.09 - 3:09 pm | #  
 
translation:  
 
JD is the not credible pot calling the kettle not credible.
 
FNC is not credible.
 
(you're welcome)
January 13, 2009, 3:25:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
Aeris - Mike Malloy has stated on his show that Matt Drudge should be hung, that various Bush adninistration members should be drowned, and that pro-Bush blggers should be beaten to a pulp. He also kept calling Sarah Palin a ho. And Indybay celebrates whenever anarchists vandalize buildings and when ever ELF and Alf members terrorize businesses and researchers.
 
Good sources of information? No. And neither is Newswoofs.
January 13, 2009, 4:47:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Looks like the moderator fell asleep at the switch. The newshounds have debunked and nobody has even noticed.
 
Olby Sucks | 01.13.09 - 1:01 pm  
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Did you ever think about the thread had been dead for 8hrs before you posted it? Look at the times posted on there.
January 13, 2009, 6:28:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
the rest of the appearances, all 2007 so Emerson is not exactly au courante.
Malaga | 01.13.09 - 3:09 pm | #  
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.13.09 - 7:29 pm | #  
 
Uh oh, Johnny. The loons are playing the "if it was past yesterday, it doesn't count card."
January 13, 2009, 7:54:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
LOL! I guess they don't understand the meaning of the word 'only', as in "Fox is the only network" that interviews the guy. As you note, they did not say "the only network this week".
January 13, 2009, 7:57:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"And Fox is the only network who interviews and uses information from perhaps paranoid “terrorism expert” Steve Emerson,"
 
Reported by Priscilla - Sat 3:25 PM
 
Since this is a blog dedicated to being fair and balanced, I felt the need to post the exact words of the proud "author."
 
johnt-bones "defense" posted above is nothing less than laughable.
January 13, 2009, 9:07:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The newshounds are drug addicts? Who woulda thunk it?
 
http://forum.newshounds.us/viewtopic.php?t=25810&sid=732962e87f3de1f15c4c62525054396f
January 13, 2009, 9:14:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 8:02 pm
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Dollar, why didn't you add the word "still" in with your "Fox is the only network"? "Still" you know, as of recently. Not a year or so ago. Of course maybe you just overlooked that word "still" in Ellen's post. I'm sure you know what the word "still" means.
January 13, 2009, 9:17:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Unfortunately, I was not challenging Ellen's post (other than its sourcing from an unreliable website). She had the qualifier "virtually".
 
I DID challenge Priscilla's claim, which doesn't say "virtually", doesn't say "still", just claims Fox is the only network that will interview Steve Emerson. After a long career of being wrong, Priscilla added another notch to that gun, and I called her on it.
 
I understand why you want to change the subject to Ellen, but if you read my post you'll see that my corrections were addressed to Priscilla's latest falsehood.
January 13, 2009, 9:28:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
johnt-bone should look up the word "only."
January 13, 2009, 9:36:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Johnny - you have this amazing power to make so many people back pedal and spin. Well done!
January 13, 2009, 9:37:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
jt-
still waiting for evidence my "only purpose was to get deleted, cry "Censor!" and haul tail back to the pound."
January 13, 2009, 9:42:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
OS- I thought it was john-tbag. My bad!
January 13, 2009, 10:00:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
"I DID challenge Priscilla's claim, which doesn't say "virtually", doesn't say "still", just claims Fox is the only network that will interview Steve Emerson. "
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Well Dollar, can you show where Emerson has been interviewed on another news network in the last 2 months? I've heard different networks talk about terrorism in the last couple of months.
January 13, 2009, 10:09:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
vstol
 
I already gave you the comment you made on the NHs. Which you said I edited, but it's still right there on the thread you left it, unedited.
January 13, 2009, 10:12:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Jt, where does the 'two months' come from? Because the last link I cited was three? And if it was two then you'd want one month? See, my post was about what Priscilla said, not what you said. The fact is that Emerson's been on all the news channels. On cnbc at least twice in just the past 12 months. That is not someone that 'only' Fox will interview. You can try to come up with moved goalpost based on time but you cannot change what Priscilla wrote. And trying to do so is really just your admission thAt what she wrote was in fact untrue.
January 13, 2009, 10:29:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"Fox is the only network"? "
 
I suppose it all depends on what ones definition of is is.
January 13, 2009, 10:36:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:34 pm
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Dollar, why don't you reread your article? You did not make Priscilla the main topic of your article. But now you want to "move the goal posts" in your words, to spin it like it was all about Priscilla.
January 13, 2009, 10:41:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I don't have to reread it. I wrote it. But you are free to (mis)interpret it as you like.
January 13, 2009, 10:47:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"Fox is the only network who interviews and uses information from perhaps paranoid “terrorism expert” Steve Emerson."
 
By JT's standard, two months and one second ago, the following statement might be correct:
 
"MSNBC is the only network who interviews and uses information from perhaps paranoid “terrorism expert” Steve Emerson."
 
I wonder why the newshounds didn't mention it?
 
Just joking about the two months and one second bit, but seriously. There was a time at some point where MSNBC used the guy. Why didn't the hounds complain then JT?
January 13, 2009, 10:47:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:46 pm | #
 
That is the worst case of backpedalling I have ever seen.
 
Newshound 1 says FNC is virtually the only news network to use the guy.
 
For some reason, she never mentions the other networks.
 
Newshound 2 says FNC is the only news network to use the guy.
 
J$ proved her wrong. If anyone is moving the goal posts, its you JT somehow trying to define "is the only network" as "is the only network in the past two months".
January 13, 2009, 10:52:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Ashley | 01.13.09 - 10:57 pm
 
OH! Do you have to come and argue Dollar's point for him? I always thought Dollar to be an intelligent person. Maybe both of you should look up the meaning to "virtually".
January 13, 2009, 11:18:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
OMG, now t-bone is playing the "last 2 months"card! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 
t-bone, you better call in for back-up!  
 
Did I mention I was getting a good laugh?
January 13, 2009, 11:28:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
LOL It is especially ironic that you say that as you are here arguing Priscilla's points for her and trying to pull her fat out of the fire!
January 13, 2009, 11:29:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Why didn't the hounds complain then JT?
Ashley | 01.13.09 - 10:52 pm | #  
 
Allow me. They're hard core partisan hacks!
January 13, 2009, 11:30:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
There are 0 Registered users and 2 Hidden users online  
 
newshounds is setting the world on fire as we speak............
January 13, 2009, 11:40:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
No, what's something Dollar, is you make the main topic about Ellen (even with picture). Then when called on it, you want to change the whole thing over to Priscilla.  
 
Talk about backpedalling.
January 13, 2009, 11:41:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sorry I don't have a glam shot of Priscilla.
January 13, 2009, 11:43:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
That is the worst case of backpedalling I have ever seen.
 
by ashley
 
t-bone can smoke 'em in reverse for sure, but, you should see AAP and "woke." Those 2 could probably turn a 12 second quarter mile in reverse!
January 13, 2009, 11:44:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Talk about backpedalling.
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 11:46 pm | #  
 
Newsflash, t-bone. ellen claims to be the "site owner." Hence, the picture.
January 13, 2009, 11:45:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Talk about backpedalling.
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 11:46 pm | #  
 
Have you looked up the meaning of "only" yet?
January 13, 2009, 11:47:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Ah, I've got it now. It's all about Prescilla now. Why don't you" move those goal posts" a little further?
 
PS Dollar, why don't you get rid of olby sucks? It's like walking into an office to talk business with someone, and they have their 5yr old kid in there screaming for attention.
January 14, 2009, 12:04:42 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
After seeing the repulsive racist comments permitted by the newshounds, OS's behavior here is well-nigh saintly. But thanks for the advice.
January 14, 2009, 12:13:22 AM EST – Like – Reply


john t
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 12:18 am
 
"racist comments", would you like to give an example? Then maybe I could bring a few comments from olby sucks.
January 14, 2009, 12:21:03 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You want examples? You'll find a few dozen here:
 
http://tinyurl.com/7lz35z
 
http://tinyurl.com/8q9l35
January 14, 2009, 12:31:02 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
t-bone is upset because he can't rebutt a single one of my posts. If I'm like a screaming 5 yr old, what does that make him? I wonder if he'll post any of his co-horts "magic negro" etc. posts...Can't wait to see all of the "anonymous" posts he'll try to pin on me since I'm the only "anonymous" on the internets don't ya know...
 
john t Wed 1.14 1:27am Off-Topic Discussions  
 
LOL!
January 14, 2009, 1:31:38 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:17 pm | #  
 
john t,
 
Where to begin?
 
I posted the following on the main's topic "Comments Will Be Moderated Until Further Notice" as a direct response to PaigePbD's post:  
Had Newshounds' not wanted any feedback on the matter, they wouldn't have opened up a comments section and a forum post inviting feedback
Paige PbD | Homepage | 01.07.09 - 5:05 pm  
 
Agreed. Yet, inexplicably, I've had a couple posts on this thread deleted.
vstol | 01.07.09 - 5:23 pm | #
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I obviously wasn't trying to get deleted, I didn't cry "Censor!", I did not high tail it to J$P, yet you claim that is what I do at NH ( john t | Homepage | 01.10.09 - 6:55 pm | # )
 
Drive-By Mod responded to my post (Drive-By Mod | 01.07.09 - 5:38 pm | # ) politely, almost apologetically, and suggested the NH Mods needed to get together to insure consitency in moderation. Her post was later partially deleted by Mod 1.
 
There's more, but I don't want to try J
January 14, 2009, 10:32:41 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
If you're not killing terrorists, you're not doing your job. What DO you do? 
OS | 10.19.08 - 12:48 am 
 
Oh, the horror!
January 14, 2009, 11:04:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Maybe both of you should look up the meaning to "virtually".
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 11:23 pm | # 
 
Since the quote in dispute does not contain the word "virtually", what is the point?
January 14, 2009, 12:22:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
john t Wed 1.14 1:10pm Viewing who is online at newshounds.us 
 
Ashley, don't bother t-bone. He's very busy.......
January 14, 2009, 1:16:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Since the quote in dispute does not contain the word "virtually", what is the point?
Ashley | 01.14.09 - 12:27 pm 
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Did you write the quote below or are you going to play an Olby Sucks and say someone else wrote it and used your name?
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Newshound 1 says FNC is virtually the only news network to use the guy.
 
Ashley | 01.13.09 - 10:57 pm
January 14, 2009, 10:50:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Hi john t, (redux)
 
john t | Homepage | 01.13.09 - 10:17 pm | # 
 
john t,
 
Where to begin?
 
I posted the following on the main's topic "Comments Will Be Moderated Until Further Notice" as a direct response to PaigePbD's post: 
Had Newshounds' not wanted any feedback on the matter, they wouldn't have opened up a comments section and a forum post inviting feedback
Paige PbD | Homepage | 01.07.09 - 5:05 pm 
 
Agreed. Yet, inexplicably, I've had a couple posts on this thread deleted.
vstol | 01.07.09 - 5:23 pm | #
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I obviously wasn't trying to get deleted, I didn't cry "Censor!", I did not high tail it to J$P, yet you claim that is what I do at NH ( john t | Homepage | 01.10.09 - 6:55 pm | # )
 
Drive-By Mod responded to my post (Drive-By Mod | 01.07.09 - 5:38 pm | # ) politely, almost apologetically, and suggested the NH Mods needed to get together to insure consitency in moderation. Her post was later partially deleted by Mod 1.
 
There's more, but I don't want to try J
January 14, 2009, 11:25:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
vstol | Homepage | 01.14.09 - 11:30 pm 
 
How come you're always whining for an apology from someone? Well if you're waiting for one from me, how about holding your breath until you get it.
January 14, 2009, 11:59:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Didn't whine, didn't ask for an apology.
 
I'm asking for a correction of an inaccurate claim made by you.
January 15, 2009, 12:25:27 AM EST – Like – Reply


john t
vstol | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 12:30 am 
 
Well that's fine. Are you going to make a correction to your inaccurate claim that I edited your comment from the NHs?
January 15, 2009, 12:56:49 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
This is what you posted from the NH main topic on moderation as "evidence" that I "try to get deleted, cry 'Censor! and hightail it back to NH/(J$P):
 
vstol | Homepage | 01.10.09 - 7:45 pm 
 
Agreed. Yet, inexplicably, I've had a couple posts on this thread deleted.
vstol | 01.07.09 - 5:23 pm
john t | Homepage | 01.10.09 - 8:28 pm | # 
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This was my entire post, which included part of Paige's comment:
 
Had Newshounds' not wanted any feedback on the matter, they wouldn't have opened up a comments section and a forum post inviting feedback
Paige PbD | Homepage | 01.07.09 - 5:05 pm 
 
Agreed. Yet, inexplicably, I've had a couple posts on this thread deleted.
vstol | 01.07.09 - 5:23 pm | # -----
 
As I've previously said, my comment was taken out of context and edited and certainly is not evidence that I do or did what you claimed.
January 15, 2009, 1:37:38 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
play an Olby Sucks and say someone else wrote it and used your name?
 
by t-boner
 
Back this claim.
January 15, 2009, 1:53:26 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
john t | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 1:01 am | # 
 
So, vstol has to make a correction, but, you don't? You're not in your little safe haven, t-bone. Keep that in mind, ok?
January 15, 2009, 1:56:05 AM EST – Like – Reply


The Crimson Executioner
Think Progress “Discredited” – by Johnny Dollar? “Unreliable” – by Johnny Dollar? (and of course, the Obama/Madrassa story, carried by Fox, was bogus.) Priscilla “Dubious” – by Johnny Dollar? “Track Record” – by Johnny Dollar? “Honesty” – News Hounds Donna’s post critiqued by Johnny Dollar (not Priscilla’s). Now to Emerson who appears, at the present time, almost exclusively on Fox. (“Virtually” the only network). CNBC – February/September 2008, the rest of the appearances, all 2007 so Emerson is not exactly au courante.
Malaga | 01.13.09 - 3:09 pm | # 
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Simply replace "virtually" with "currently" to the post:
 
Fox is /currently/ the only news organization" willing to host terrorism maven Steve Emerson. (Yawn). Why didn't Johnny mention that he hasn't appeared on these other news organizations in around two years? 
 
Also, don't you know that if you're a LW site you're "pre"-discredited by virtue of the fact you disagree with the RW cretins - who history is proving to be on the wrong side of every issue? 
 
The fact is, Emerson /is/ largely discredited:
 
Emerson has been accused of exaggerating the threats posed by Islamists and of creating fictitious or unverifiable sources. Examples of allegations that have been ridiculed by the mainstream media include an alleged plot by Pakistan to launch a nuclear first strike against India and the accusation that Yugoslavians were behind the bombing of the World Trade Center in New York.[3] In its criticism of his coverage of the Pan Am 103 bombing, Fairness and Accuracy in Reporting also accused Emerson of plagiarism...
 
... the Columbia Journalism Review, which noted in July 1990 that passages "bear a striking resemblance, in both substance and style" to reports in the Post-Standard of Syracuse, N.Y. Reporters from the Syracuse newspaper told this writer that they cornered Emerson at an Investigative Reporters and Editors conference and forced an apology.[4]
 
The New York Times also criticized Emerson's accusation that Iran was behind the bombing.
 
But instead of weaving these revelations into the day-to-day story of the investigation, they drop them almost casually at the end, without much substantiation.[5]
 
Emerson also accused Muslims of being behind the bombing of the Federal Building in Oklahoma City in 1995. The false accusations led to "a backlash against the American Muslim community during the first few days after the explosion."
 
Wikipedia entry...
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Let's see - plagiarism; ridiculous, scurrilous, and unsubstantiated accusations; conspiracy theories; hate-mongering... Yeppers, he's a RW and Fox "News" fave. Hits all the bases.
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January 15, 2009, 10:56:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Simply replace "virtually" with "currently" to the post:"
 
Priscilla: "Fox is the only network who interviews..."
 
There is no 'virtually' to replace.
 
"he hasn't appeared on these other news organizations in around two years? "
 
Sept 2008 is not two years ago.
 
"Emerson /is/ largely discredited:"
 
A long discussion of a point never raised. The post isn't about Emerson and does not address or defend his accuracy. It's about the false statement from Priscilla.
January 15, 2009, 11:18:18 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"Simply replace "virtually" with "currently" to the post:"
 
>There is the spin......
 
"Emerson /is/ largely discredited:"
 
>There is the diversion.....
 
I wouldn't exactly call the nyt's a credible source, either.
January 15, 2009, 12:10:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
So, vstol has to make a correction, but, you don't? 
Olby Sucks | 01.15.09 - 2:01 am | # 
 
Do I? I don't see where I made an inaccurate claim. If I did, I'll not only make a correction, I'll gladly apologize.
January 15, 2009, 12:40:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
vstol, the point I was making was johnt lies and says he will never apologise. Yet, he claims you lied and demands a correction.

Edited By Siteowner
January 15, 2009, 2:05:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I was just asking.
January 15, 2009, 2:52:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Iron King
"he hasn't appeared on these other news organizations in around two years? "
 
Sept 2008 is not two years ago.
 
JD
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Roight - one appearance on another network other than Fox "News" last year. I'd say he, therefore, has VIRTUALLY disappeared from other networks - no? 

Can you say hoisted on your own petard? (Or are we just really, really, really splitting hair over what, subjectively, qualifies as "virtually"?)
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And, the guy's (yet another) discredited RW loon - why have him on? Or would you rather split hair, virtually? 
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January 15, 2009, 4:38:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sorry, but every link I used was more recent than "two years" ago.
January 15, 2009, 4:41:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Iron King
Sorry, but every link I used was more recent than "two years" ago.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 4:46 pm | # 
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You're splitting hairs... He's only appeared on one other network other than Fox in 2008. He, therefore, has virtually disappeared from other networks. 
 
Little strong to categorize this as a lie, donchya think?
January 15, 2009, 5:15:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well that's how the headline reads. It's probably just a lazy error on Priscilla's part. But as the links demonstrate, she has a history of this sort of thing, and a pattern of behavior is evidence of intent. But if you want to suggest it ain't a "lie", I'll take that point. The linked examples are far more flagrant lies, if that's what you're looking for.
 
"He, therefore, has virtually disappeared from other networks. "
 
That's not what Priscilla said. She said Fox is "the only network" that will interview him. No "virtually". When you read the article please note the bold type. That's a new thing they have now that indicates emphasis.
January 15, 2009, 5:21:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Little strong to categorize this as a lie, donchya think?
Iron King | 01.15.09 - 5:20 pm | # 
 
Nope.
January 15, 2009, 5:33:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Iron King
You're making a mountain out of a molehill - and re-read your thread, lots of rancor and name-calling for something so trivial as this... 
 
The gist is, the guy's discredited and yet another RW loon. Other networks have largely, or "virtually" stopped using him... He's appeared in only one other network interview last year. But Fox is giving this cat who has little to no credibility (see list of lies) a platform. 
 
Get it?
January 15, 2009, 6:19:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I get that you want to attack Emerson, and I never defended Emerson. Why do you want to keep arguing something I never even addressed? I pointed out that Priscilla's facts were wrong.
 
And by the way, yours too. He appeared in more than "only one other network interview last year".
January 15, 2009, 6:23:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
You're making a mountain out of a molehill - Iron King | 01.15.09 - 6:24 pm | # 
 
The only logical explanation for this post is that IK was staring into a mirror for some reason as he wrote it.
January 15, 2009, 6:39:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
But Fox is giving this cat who has little to no credibility (see list of lies) a platform. 
 
Get it?
Iron King | 01.15.09 - 6:24 pm | # 
 
Sandy The Burglar to picked up by msnbc! LOL!
January 15, 2009, 6:41:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
(see list of lies)
 
You mean the one where he claimed that a muslim "could have" blown up the Okl. City building? How is that a "lie?"
January 15, 2009, 6:43:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Actually Emerson was a paid consultant and analyst for (MS)NBC for years. He has never worked for Fox that I know of.
January 15, 2009, 6:43:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Iron King
In order of appearance:
 
CNBC - 9/2008
CNBC - 2/2008 (nearly a year ago)
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CNBC = 1 network. 
 
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His two MSNBC appearances, CNN appearance, and NBC appearance were in 2007. It's now 2009. 
 
In 2007 he had 4 appearances on 3 non-Fox networks, including NBC In 2008 he had two appearances (one very early in the year) on one network, CNBC...
 
It's subjective to say he "virtually disappeared" from other networks but it's a valid observation. He's not been on non-Fox networks over the last year or so "possibly" due to issues with credibility - (and possibly other reasons). Dunno. This subjective observation is, however, certainly not a lie, and certainly not deserving of the rancor and personal attacks you used.
January 15, 2009, 7:11:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> It's subjective to say he "virtually disappeared" from other networks but it's a valid observation.
 
Yeah, but so what? That isn't what Priscilla said. It's what you said.
 
> This subjective observation is, however, certainly not a lie
 
I never accused you of telling a lie. Sheesh! Can we stick to what Priscilla wrote? According to what you just wrote, her words are untrue. False. Wrong. Q.E.D.
January 15, 2009, 7:15:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Iron King
> It's subjective to say he "virtually disappeared" from other networks but it's a valid observation.
 
Yeah, but so what? That isn't what Priscilla said. It's what you said.
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"She declared that Fox is "virtually the only news organization" willing to host terrorism maven Steve Emerson."
 
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January 15, 2009, 7:54:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No she didn't. You are not quoting Priscilla. Please re-read the post. You are confusing Priscilla's post (which I challenged) with Ellen's (which I cited but did not challenge).
January 15, 2009, 8:00:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
iron king is making himself dizzy from spinning.....
January 15, 2009, 8:06:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I read the article in question to try to figure out what this Emerson guy did that was so bad to make him not "Credible" as the hounds IK and JT have been claiming.
 
Is it me, or is Priscilla out of her mind? She writes: (emphasis mine)
 
Fox News wants you to be scared of Keith Ellison and “radical" Minnesota Muslims. And in order to “prove” this “threat” they bring Steve Ellison out of his bat cave. (although his persona is more like “the Joker”) Ellison does have a problem with credibility; but when you’re dealing with propaganda, who needs credibility?
 
One would hope her ability to fact check would be a tad bit better than her ability to proofread her own work
January 15, 2009, 9:24:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"...proofread her own work." -fixed
January 15, 2009, 9:53:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


The Crimson Executioner
Ashley | 01.15.09 - 9:29 pm | #
 
Emerson is a laughable shill. Google him. He makes a nice buck hawking Islamo-paranoia to RW thumb suckers. Here's a smattering: 
 
Alexander Cockburn
 
* "Mr. Emerson's prime role is to whitewash Israeli governments and revile their critics."—Alexander Cockburn, Wall Street Journal, June 14, 1990. [3] 
 
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Jane Hunter
 
* "There are thousands of ax-grinders in journalism, pushing tantalizing stories with few verifiable facts. Most collect rejection slips, but Steven Emerson finds one respectable media outlet after another for his work, which is sometimes nimble in its treatment of facts, often credulous of intelligence sources, and almost invariably supportive of the Israeli government."— Jane Hunter, EXTRA!, October/November 1992.[4] 
 
# AG: He wrote Jihad in America…
# JS: Which had so many mistakes, it is hilarious. But his job has been to silence Arabs and Muslims in America. We fought a four year lawsuit with Emerson and won...
 
John Sugg also stated: "It should be noted that Jihad in America was largely funded by the Carthage Foundation and the Lynde and Harry Bradley Foundation, widely referred to as right-wing think tanks."— CAIR, op. cit.[6]
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Steven_Emerson
 
Emerson - neocon shill, and discredited. Of course, he has a home in Murdoch's neocon news empire. Doesn't matter to Ruppy that the neocon idiots were completely wrong about - literally, everything or that they're destroying the Republican party.
January 15, 2009, 10:19:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
that was so bad to make him not "Credible" as the hounds IK and JT have been claiming.
 
Ashley | 01.15.09 - 9:29 pm 
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Maybe you should "fact check" before you post. Show me one comment I made that I claimed if Emerson was credible or not.
January 15, 2009, 10:35:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
john t | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 10:40 pm | # 
 
Forgive me for interpreting your massive defense of the original post as thinking you agreed that Emerson was not credible.
 
So tell us, do you think that Emerson is credible or not credible?
January 16, 2009, 11:28:47 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I believe crimson is one of the hounds that cheered the "study" that was funded by g. soros in which they said that Bill O'Reilly used some sort of "hate" word every 7 minutes or some bs. Ironic? Indeed!
January 16, 2009, 12:16:03 PM EST – Like – Reply