3/3/09 1:21 PM

Fox Haters Condemn Racist Messages...Except Their Own!

What better to way to kick off the New Year than a huge helping of hound hypocrisy? The text message, sent in by a viewer, hoping the 'Magic Negro' would do well in 2009? Well, that just has the newshounds in a tizzy:

Fox News VP of programming Suzanne Scott "explains" (not apologizes) the offensively racist New Years chyron... This isn't the first time that Fox News has allowed "racially charged" language directed at Obama.
Newspoodle Priscilla also showed off her uncanny powers of mental telepathy:
That Fox gave its “imprimatur” to this obvious shout out from Jen and John to their fellow Fox viewers tells you all you need to know about the medium, the message, and the many who embrace it. More on the CD and the offensive song below the fold.
The term 'Magic Negro' was applied to Barack Obama by a black writer for the LA Times. But Priscilla is a veritable Kreskin: she can see into the minds of Jen and Jon and divine that they were really referencing not the article, but a song.

Even more interesting is her objection to the "offensively racist" language and how Fox "allowed" it. So we thought we'd stroll through the comments (online equivalents of text messages) over at the pound, and see what they allow. Certainly nothing offensive or racist, right? Here are a few from just last year, mostly about another prominent black man, Juan Williams:
  • Nice to see Juan take time out from holding a lantern at the bottom of BillO the Clown's gated driveway to be a substitute host.
  • Juan is a popular lawn jockey on the Fox Noise Plantation, and this non-interview shows why. He will get some extra bacon grease this Christmas and maybe a chance to sleep close to the fireplace.
  • Juan Williams is a complete lackey.
  • Juan is a good house Negro who does the Master's bidding. No hard field work for him from now on.
  • He's merely a pariah over at NPR and his NPR colleagues think he's full of it. Just throw him on the FOX dung heap.
  • I'm black and I very much agree that Juan Williams is a house negro.
  • Juan does the Massa's bidding while pretending to be a liberal Democrat. That's a House Negro!
  • Great [Atty General Gonzales] interview, eh? Uncle Tom and Tio Taco...
  • It's fun to watch [Hannity] team up with his house Negro of the day to bring racism to new depths.
  • Bill O'Reilly's favorite NEGRO apologist is laughable. Fox must pay pretty damn good wages for its cast of whores.
  • This boot licking, O'reilly Butt kissing, Hannity toe tapping colored man,accuses [sic] pfleger of doing what he has mastered the art of for his handlers at Fox.The [sic] minstrel actors of yore,darkend [sic] their faces with boot black and pretended to be black people.Peterson [sic] and Williams, at least I speculate, were born black,and [sic] need not adorn themselves with an artificial ebony hue, The [sic] bucking and shuffling,also [sic] apparently comes [sic] quite naturally to these two buffoons.
  • Bill O'reilly has such an over inflated ego, that I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he scheduled a show with his water boy, Juan Williams.
  • Do [Jesse Lee Peterson] and Juan Williams get into conflict about who will carry out Massa Hannity's mint julep of [sic] an evening?
  • Juan Williams is nothing but an Uncle Tom.
  • He was described as Fox's "Happy Negro" and I believe he is living up to that moniker.
In most of these threads, there are multiple deletions and edits while the above comments were untouched. So these slurs were approved for publication. That the biased bassets gave their “imprimatur” to these offensively racist shout outs tells you all you need to know about the diseased psyche of the newshounds.




Eric Cartman
Well Johnny as a Newshound moderator and poster , I will give you a big so what? You let people like Ashley and Cecelia call people liars. What is the difference, well Fox is a network do you think they should have caught it, you figure a network like Fox would have someone doing some censoring, don't you. And Newshounds an opinion driven web site and the post were used for making a point. Juan should have spoken up, but as usual he follows company line, s yes you could call him Fox News token "negro". As we could call you Johnny Fox News token negro also.
January 3, 2009, 3:56:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Yes, it does. And here come some people with that diseased psyche now. Cue homophobic, obsessive, and psychotic implications about the regulars here, but mostly about me, and Johnny himself. When you can't win, go ad hominem. It works.
January 3, 2009, 4:01:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
So Eric, you call the use of the word 'negro' racist at newshounds when a text message appears on Fox, but not when the LA Times uses it, or when your commenters spew it all over the site, and then you come here and reiterate it.
 
The big so what is the flaming, steaming hypocrisy of a word that's only 'racist' when it's used by a Fox viewer, but when when it's used over and over by you and the fox haters, oh that's OK because you say so.
 
Congrats on a brilliant job of 'moderating' the comments, by the way. You've really managed to screen out all the 'offensive' and 'racist' stuff over at the pound! LOL!
January 3, 2009, 4:06:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Nice work proving what hypocrites and racists the newsliars are, Johnny! Happy New Year to all!
January 3, 2009, 4:18:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


notveryhow
"So Eric, you call the use of the word 'negro' racist at newshounds when a text message appears on Fox, but not when the LA Times uses it,"
 
Context is everything. But you're smart enough to know that.
January 3, 2009, 4:29:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:11 pm | #  
 
First of all, we are an opinion site, Fox News is a network, and second of all is one of you site rules no personal attack, but it looks to me like Ashley and Cecelia call Haggis a liar, and liar, according to you rules is a personal attack. Also thanks for sending you trolls over we have weeded them out.
Boy you Fox News lovers GEEZ
January 3, 2009, 4:31:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'm not sure what my rules have to do with newshound racism. But Haggis admitted he is a liar, in fact a serial liar, just yesterday. Did he call himself a name?!?
 
"we are an opinion site"
 
And words that are otherwise racist are suddenly not racist if they appear on your opinion site? Yeah, that makes a ton of sense.
 
"Also thanks for sending you trolls over we have weeded them out."
 
Don't lie about me, unless you can show where I sent anyone anywhere. I know lying is the coin of the realm at the pound, but we frown on it here. But I'm sure you're telling the truth about 'weeding out' people who point out hound hypocrisy. That's also SOP at the kennel.
 
Thank you for your comment.
January 3, 2009, 4:35:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:40 pm | #
 
Well as soon as I posted at the pound and stated that youhad cut and pasted our comments, the trolls from here just rolled in.
 
Fox Fan
Ashley
iwanttosuckolbermann
Mike C
 
Want me to keep going, Johnny you are stilled pissed that we know have the White House and Fox News is as much as done getting its daily talking points. Just get over it and enjoy the ride, the pound sure as hell will.
January 3, 2009, 4:40:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'll take that as a "Yes, you're right, I have no proof for the charge." Thanks for your classy response.
January 3, 2009, 4:43:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:48 pm | #  
 
Look 6 people visiting
Newshounds 64 visiting
 
Proves to me there are more Fox haters than Fox lovers. I am sure that little feller (or whatever) Ashley is sad about that.
January 3, 2009, 4:47:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oops, the hounds' latest comment thread, on the 'magic negro' controversy, has suddenly vanished from the site! Poof! All the other articles seem to have comments open, but that one has mysteriously been shut down. Clearly just a technical glitch, I'm sure.
January 3, 2009, 4:50:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Proves to me there are more Fox haters than Fox lovers. I am sure that little feller (or whatever) Ashley is sad about that.
Eric Cartman | 01.03.09 - 4:52 pm | #  
 
Can you id who is a "hater" and a "lover" and give us an accurate ratio? Thought not.
January 3, 2009, 4:50:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Interesting...I would just imagine that this will be used as "proof" of the supposed racist posting here.
LarryMo | 01.03.09 - 4:26 pm | #  
 
Yeah mods, get on that ASAP!
Block Head | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:28 pm | #  
 
Ironically, "block head" claims to be black!
January 3, 2009, 4:52:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I have never posted at Newshounds nor will I ever.
January 3, 2009, 4:56:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Mike, do you mean Eric Cartman was not telling the truth? A newshound not telling the truth?!? Shocking!
January 3, 2009, 4:57:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
I have never posted at Newshounds nor will I ever.
Mike C. | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 5:01 pm | #  
 
Prove it,
January 3, 2009, 5:00:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No, Mike doesn't have to prove a negative. You claimed he posted there. The burden's on you. Prove it, or take it back.
January 3, 2009, 5:02:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Eric Cartman -  
 
I don't have a clue as to who you are, but you seem to have a fascination with me. I like how you my adopted my little feller comment ( a term I use for "Patrick", but it's actually "l'il feller).
 
If anyone is posting as "Ashley" over at Newshounds, they are not me. They may be pretending to be me, but they ain't me. There's no way I would give you clowns a shot at my IP address or certainly not my email. And why in God's name would I ever go visit that site to argue with you guys?  
 
Regarding the topic at hand, I think it is very sad that you and many others over at the hounds have decided that you know whats best for black people. You think they should act in a certain way, and if they don't, you have the moral authority to refer to them as a house negro.
January 3, 2009, 5:03:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I've gone to the site on occasion to see if their hero will use or had used any posts as a WPitW source. Or I've gone there to see if their representative in the J$P comment threads got their info from their site. But no commenting on my part.
January 3, 2009, 5:05:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
I just left my room with 'Mike the Navigator' so I'm back for MORE trolling under yet another IP Address. I've added another 'n' to 'Man'.  
 
Right now:  
217.67.24.122
 
Earlier this morning:  
65.5.164.180
32.131.200.133
32.132.249.125
 
Hmm
Long Island New York.
Just admit it MikeC.
January 3, 2009, 5:08:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
WTF??? You're publishing IP addresses willy nilly, and none of them matches MikeC's. That's what you call proof? You might just as well claim they're all Mike Huckabee. Or Mike Gravel! ROFL!
January 3, 2009, 5:10:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
No Ashley, Juan should have condemned it but as usual he just follows company lie.
Fox News has on many occasions slandered Obama, saying he was taught at a Mandrasa ( Muslim School), calling Michelle" Baby Mama", the terrorist fist jab, Megyn Kelly saying "Those people should not wear those clothes" Its a pattern, Olbermann might spews a lot of half truths but he never goes racial.
January 3, 2009, 5:12:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
Did or did not Haggis Farmer change his ip, shoot I have changed mine, Dollar you are easily fooled, we at Newshounds post the ip addresses of trolls to weed them out. But since we have thousands more hits than you, I guess you would not understand it.
January 3, 2009, 5:15:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
eric=patrick
January 3, 2009, 5:15:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I could go into rebutting the clothes lie again, but what's the point? Perhaps in his burst of postings here, Eric will explain why his NH comment thread where he mentioned this site has been removed. I know that commenters who link to this site get censored, but I had no idea that even the mods are not immune from the crackdown!
January 3, 2009, 5:17:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
No Ashley, Juan should have condemned it  
 
Yes Eric, you know what black people should and shouldn't do.
 
By the way, thank you for letting us know that it is the policy of Newshounds to publish the IP addresses of your visitors for public view.
January 3, 2009, 5:19:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
J$ - I checked a few of the ip addresses that the Newshound published for public view, it looks like one is from Amsterdam, another from Georgia, two from Florida. Am I wrong or is EC nuts?
January 3, 2009, 5:22:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Did or did not Haggis Farmer change his ip, shoot I have changed mine"
 
So I'll take that as "Yes, your right, I have no proof that MikeC posted at newshounds". With that, your comment about me, and now Ashley who also says it ain't so, you've been caught three times in roughly an hour. Not quite a record, but getting there.
 
"eric=patrick"
 
Of course. And now his hound bosses have unceremoniously taken away the thread he was working on for the crime of mentioning this site. Don't those hounds know that obsessions are not that easily dealt with?
January 3, 2009, 5:23:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
Dollar is can go out and get an Ip address from Russia if I want It is not hard. And Ashley prove to me that you are a dude since you type like a little 10 year old girl. Prove to me what you are.
January 3, 2009, 5:26:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Yeah, I guess his desperation, psychotic, and obsessive implications about me got old.
January 3, 2009, 5:27:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"you type like a little 10 year old girl. "
 
Yep, that's Patrick all right. Crap like this isn't permitted, and you'll be heading for a stay on Exile Island if it continues.
January 3, 2009, 5:32:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Finally!
January 3, 2009, 5:33:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Eric = Patrick makes sense.
 
Patrick adopted the "little feller" comment over at OW too.
 
Hey Patrick - Why don't you stick to one name? I do it, Mike C does it, Fox Fan does it, Cecelia does it...why can't you? Are you incompetent? Note that was simply a question, not a smear.
 
Are you a child? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Are you angry at Fox because they won't hire you? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Do you like Olbermann because he is a liar and, if so, do you like that because you are like that too?(That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Have you nothing better to do with your life than seek us out for arguments sake? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Are you infatuated with me, Mike C, and the others? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
When you were a child, did someone drop you on your head? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Have you ever walked into a home to visit a new internet friend and be greeted by Chris Hanson of Dateline NBC? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
When you were in grade school, was your school bus much shorter than most other school buses? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Are you an excellent french fry maker? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
Just asking, I think we'd all like to get to know you better.
January 3, 2009, 5:33:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
My God, what a juvenile bunch of people. Don't you all have anything better to do than run between sites and throw stones at each other and then run back and go "ha ha, look what I did"? That goes for some of both the Dollar and NH regulars.  
 
"Eric Cartman", I don't believe for one second that you are a NH mod, and if you are, they should ban your sorry ass.
 
And J$, don't flatter yourself that the thread was closed because your site was mentioned. It had become completely troll-infested.
 
You all need to grow up.
January 3, 2009, 5:37:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Dollar is can go out and get an Ip address from Russia if I want It is not hard. And Ashley prove to me that you are a dude since you type like a little 10 year old girl. Prove to me what you are.
Eric Cartman | 01.03.09 - 5:31 pm | #  
 
Yup, that is Patrick. The l'il feller who can't stick to one name because he's afraid!!!!!
 
Patrick, the following is what I wrote about you yesterday, and you have just shown the world that I was accurate.
 
He's a little child who is acting up to try to get our attention. Like an attention starved toddler crying out to his parents..."Mommy, Mommy, Daddy, Daddy, Look at me, Look at me Daddy!". Mike, you must be the daddy figure, based on his homophobic comments made about me, I suppose he looks to me as the mother figure.
 
I had to chuckle over his latest outburst at OW - "It is really sad when you have to create a site to make fun of someone". This is the same person who said he was creating a new website called "Foxnewsisfixed.com". He said it would be done by September, but the incompetent l'il feller just can't get the job done.
 
I note he also claimed that Keith "Czechoslovakia" Olbermann would soon be in first place. Wasn't the l'il feller was saying the same thing in 08, that K"C"O would be in the lead by the Election? Looking back over the ratings, I can see that Keithy has skyrocked in the ratings from third place to third place over that time.
January 3, 2009, 5:39:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"don't flatter yourself that the thread was closed because your site was mentioned. It had become completely troll-infested."
 
The thread wasn't just closed. It was taken off the page and hidden (though it's still there if you know where to look). And I have no doubt "eric" is a newshound moderator; it's the one thing he said you can believe at face value.
 
"Don't you all have anything better to do than run between sites and throw stones at each other"
 
Eric admitted he came here from the nh site. I have yet to see one scintilla of evidence that anyone from this site has gone over there and "thrown stones" at anyone. Eric certainly didn't have any proof of that, and I suspect neither do you. But if I'm wrong, I'll apologize.
January 3, 2009, 5:41:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Eric Cartman
Mike
Tell me one things, why do you not want anyone in here with differeing opinions than you, are you afraid of a little debate. Mike you seem like an ok guy, its just you look down at women who speak their mind and people who don't agree with you. And If you voted for McCain it will be a long eight years for you, since I am sure you don't have the same belief Obama does.
January 3, 2009, 5:41:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
That is entirely off topic. MikeC do not respond. It has nothing to do with the racist comments published by the newshounds. Keep this thread at least tangentially related to the topic at hand.
January 3, 2009, 5:43:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Dollar is can go out and get an Ip address from Russia if I want It is not hard. And Ashley prove to me that you are a dude since you type like a little 10 year old girl. Prove to me what you are.
Eric Cartman | 01.03.09 - 5:31 pm | #  
 
Let's take a close look at the first sentence.
 
"Dollar is can go out and get an Ip address from Russia if I want"  
 
Patrick, say that sentence out loud a few times, don't you think the grammar used is quite poor?
 
By the way, if you think I'm a twelve year old girl, don'cha think you should behave a little better? I can only imagine the internet chats you seek out with 12 year olds.
January 3, 2009, 5:43:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Well, I can recall a thread here last summer where there was someone encouraging dollar posters to go to NH and create hassle and immediately afterwards the NH thread was swarmed. I came here for a look and the same peopl were back here bragging about it. But you know that without the IP addys from both sites no one can "prove" anything like that conclusively.
 
So,what proof do you have that EC is a NH Mod?
January 3, 2009, 5:45:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, my lord... They have PATRICK as a moderator?
 
That IS the lunatic running the asylum!
January 3, 2009, 5:45:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
On second thought, ignore my last post. I really don't want to get drawn into all this hassle. There are more important things to argue about in this world. G'nite, all.
January 3, 2009, 5:48:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
J$ - the Newshounds just show again the lengths they will go to to turn a non-issue into an issue.
 
Viewer comments are just that, viewer comments. In this case, the hounds believe they have the moral authority to decide how black people should act, what they should say, what they should do, and if there are any black people who don't toe the line, they are house negroes. Makes me sick.
 
Would they like it if someone threw Oreo cookies at Burris, the man selected by Blago to be the next Senator from Illinois? No, they wouldn't. They'd scream to the heavens.
 
But they were silent when Oreo's were thrown at Michael Steele in Maryland.
January 3, 2009, 5:50:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Well, I can recall a thread here last summer where there was someone encouraging dollar posters to go to NH and create hassle and immediately afterwards the NH thread was swarmed. I came here for a look and the same peopl were back here bragging about it. But you know that without the IP addys from both sites no one can "prove" anything like that conclusively.
 
So,what proof do you have that EC is a NH Mod?
Pegleg Peggy | 01.03.09 - 5:50 pm | #  
 
Well, we have your word Patrick that you are a NH moderator.  
 
Every comment is still available for viewing, check out the archives. Even if it says Comments 0, any comments posted there are still there.
 
In other words, if you are going to make the claim the post exists, go find it Patrick.
January 3, 2009, 5:53:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Oh, my lord... They have PATRICK as a moderator?
 
That IS the lunatic running the asylum!
Cecelia | 01.03.09 - 5:50 pm | #  
 
Yeah, they have low standards.
January 3, 2009, 5:55:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
G'nite, all.
Pegleg Peggy | 01.03.09 - 5:53 pm | #  
 
It's afternoon across the United States, but 11 PM in Scotland.
 
Just saying.
January 3, 2009, 5:57:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
The "magic negro" archetype is about the psychological needs of WHITE people and their need to assuage their own guilt by making people of color into mythical figures in art and literature.  
 
Figures, that for all the white man's good intentions, STILL revolve around him. Still play supporting actor to his star of the movie. Still are there to give the thrill up Chris Mathew's leg and give him the Camelot that he desired in his youth.
 
Epithets like "lawn jockey" and "house negro" are quite the opposite. They are pejorative terms targeted at people of color to suggest that they are servile and pandering.
 
Ironic isn't it...
January 3, 2009, 5:58:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Yeah, they have low standards.
Ashley | 01.03.09 - 6:00 pm | #  
 
Judging from the comments they allowed to stand about Juan Williams, "low standards" doesn't begin to describe it.
January 3, 2009, 6:03:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Why am I being criticized for calling Chippy a liar when he admitted to lying within a day of posting under his new Chippy Minton name?
 
One of the first things he did as Chippy was to tell everyone he was new to the site and then he had to admit he had lied when Johnny outed him as Alabama Dem.
January 3, 2009, 6:14:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Prove to me what you are.
Eric Cartman | 01.03.09 - 5:31 pm | #  
 
Patrick - since your request, I've written a number of new posts. If you have read them, you should see that I am witty, bright, a good speller, coherent, clever, nice, cordial, well-liked, and most of all, extremely modest.
 
I believe I have proven myself to be the opposite of you.
January 3, 2009, 8:14:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Considering that I haven't been online since this morning, I'd say it's impossible that I've posted at NHs on some article I've never even heard of until now.
 
Add one more lie to Eric Cartman's burgeoning portfolio. 
 
BTW "dreaded" Patrick, the real Eric Cartman can actually read and write in English.
January 3, 2009, 9:04:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Also, I think he's 140 degrees (not a full 180) opposite of you ideologically.
January 3, 2009, 10:04:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


tony
Wow. Sign on at the end of the day and see what I miss. As one of the "banned" from newshounds I cant help to wonder. If they dont want to hear us over there, why do they come over here? If Im a troll over there, you are trolls over here. The regulars from NH are not capable of speaking the truth. Go back to your hate filled board now.
January 3, 2009, 10:20:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
.... we at Newshounds post the ip addresses of trolls to weed them out....
Eric Cartman | 01.03.09 - 5:20 pm | # 
 
Sockpuppet IP's are posted for ID purposes, not to weed out "trolls," but I do like your use of "we at Newshounds..." and "... we are an opinion site..." and "... we could call you Johnny Fox News token..." and this last deserves a special comment, "...and second of all is one of you site rules no personal attack, but..."
 
NH Comment Rules-
A comment will be deleted if it is 1) totally irrelevant, 2) relevant, but extremely vulgar, or 3) a copy/pasted article with no relevant comment.
 
Your email address is required to post, but it will not be published on the site.
January 3, 2009, 10:55:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Patrick - since your request, I've written a number of new posts. If you have read them, you should see that I am witty, bright, a good speller, coherent, clever, nice, cordial, well-liked, and most of all, extremely modest.
 
I believe I have proven myself to be the opposite of you.
Ashley | 01.03.09 - 8:19 pm | # 
 
You're right about that, Mister!
 
I sprained something laughing over this:
 
"Have you ever walked into a home to visit a new internet friend and be greeted by Chris Hanson of Dateline NBC? (That's a question, not a smear.)
 
When you were in grade school, was your school bus much shorter than most other school buses? (That's a question, not a smear.)"
January 4, 2009, 3:25:40 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
This just says it all:
 
http://tinyurl.com/9fmcsq
 
It's interesting that the grumbling some civil rights leaders did about newly on the scene Obama and whether he had truly been a part of the "black experience", is in the same vein of what News Hound denizens say about Juan Williams. 
 
Only the News Hound readers are base, crass, smearing, and racially derogatory. 
 
I wouldn't let them walk my dog.
January 4, 2009, 8:37:30 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
I don't know how I managed to get drawn into this....in a small way...I was at a dinner party last night.
 
Johnny, posting NH comments...how ever wrong they are...Doesn't in any way...help...justify the "racist" comment that was aloud to air on a major news channel. This smacks of O'reilly tactics...He loves using comments to justify his rants against the left. 
Most sites post a disclaimer in their comments section like...This site doesn't agrees with or otherwise endorses any particular comment. 
 
FNC should just come out and appologise for the error...and that would most probably be the end of the matter. But instead they blame some junior and then go onto attack CNN...NO apology.
January 4, 2009, 10:52:16 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'm sorry but I don't understand what was racist about the text message. The word 'negro' may be unfashionable, but it has never been a racial slur and it doesn't all of a sudden become racist just because it appears on Fox.
January 4, 2009, 11:11:15 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 11:16 am |
 
That's why I used "" around racist....We'll never know if the original sender of the message had a racist motive when he/she created the message. 
 
The Oxford English dictionary describes the word Negro this way:-
 
USAGE - The term Negro is now regarded as old-fashioned or even offensive; black is the preferred term. 
 
http://www.askoxford.com/concise_oed/negro?view=uk
January 4, 2009, 11:24:39 AM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
What NHs wrote=racist
What FNC displayed=not racist
NHs accusing FNC of being racist=liars and hypocrites
 
Nothing new here.
January 4, 2009, 11:41:37 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
This will be the last link because this thread is for comments not for links. But Clarence Page (no right winger to say the least) speaks with some authority on this:
 
"Negro" is unfashionable, but not a slur or it wouldn't be featured so frequently in the speeches of Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., among others. Back in those days, "black" was about as taboo as "Negro" is today
 
http://tinyurl.com/9heath
 
I don't know if we've beaten this topic to death, but this should end the posting of links to this or that or whatever. Back to discussions and picking on Haggis!
January 4, 2009, 11:49:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
FNC should just come out and appologise for the error...and that would most probably be the end of the matter. 
 
by "hagis"
 
Suuuuuure it would!
January 4, 2009, 12:12:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
In the case of the archetype of the Magic Negro, the term "negro" is meant to convey the depersonalizing or de-individualizing of a person or color (whether real or fictional) in order to turn them into a racial icon for the benefit of white needs and sensibilities. 
 
This is an act done BY whites AGAINST people of color. (Or-- done by white liberals who have made Obama more icon than man-- which is to the point of how the term was used in the recent public debate in the first place, lest we forget...)
 
On the other hand "lawn jockey" and "house negro" are direct slurs against the character of a person SPECIFICALLY because of their color.
 
We've flatly argued that the term magic negro is not inherently racist. That's hardly a "justification", it's an outright flat declaration.
 
On the other hand News Hounds has argued that the term is racist, all the while harboring heinous racial epithets against a black man on its own boards.
January 4, 2009, 12:16:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Back to discussions and picking on Haggis!
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 11:54 am | 
 
I accept the term isn't a racist term like the N word is....But the message showed a total disrespect for President Elect Obama. When other news outlet have aired disrespectful comment about Bush....Fox are the 1st channel to chastise them for doing so. Maybe it's just me....But FNC don't seem to be applying the same standards they had for Bush...Now Obama is President.
 
As for picking on Haggis....I'm simply outraged at the total disregard for the rules when it come to me and being picked on :lol: Cecelia...I'm joking here....So no need to load the 12-bore
January 4, 2009, 12:21:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
c+p from 2-cents' site. post disppeared with the magic caret but still visible to mods. IP: 217.20.127.228 
 
IP: 217.20.127.228 | 01.04.09 - 12:21 pm | # 
 
Interesting...I would just imagine that this will be used as "proof" of the supposed racist posting here.
LarryMo | 01.03.09 - 4:26 pm | # 
 
Yeah mods, get on that ASAP!
Block Head | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:28 pm | # 
 
Ironically, "block head" claims to be black!
Olby Sucks | 01.03.09 - 4:57 pm | #
 
Nice lie, "moderator."
 
Moderator question #1 on the application must be:
 
1. Can you lie? If so, you're hired.
OS The Legend Lives On | 01.04.09 - 12:26 pm | #
January 4, 2009, 12:23:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
What I find so telling about many NH comments is the smug, superior, bigoted, intolerant, illiberal manner used to label those who disagree with them, who are conservative or who watch FNC as bigoted, racist, stupid, Southern, moronic, homophobic, idiotic, hate-mongering cretins, while simultaneously claiming the high moral ground, superior intellect and the cloak of rightousness.
 
What is disturbing is those who don't recognize their own hatred. 
 
What is sad is those at NH who recognize it and don't condemn it.
January 4, 2009, 12:37:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Suuuuuure it would!
Olby Sucks | 01.04.09 - 12:17 pm |
 
Good to see you back OS....I've missed your scintillating comments.
 
I'm assuming your just about to post proof that an apology wouldn't be the end of the matter...Or are you just spouting?
January 4, 2009, 12:43:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
vstol | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 12:42 pm |
 
You have to remember that anyone in the world can post on these comments section. You simply don't know the motives behind a posters remarks. It could actually be a Right Winger posting the "racist" comments over at NH simply to try and make the site look bad...You simply don't know. It would be nice if these sort of comments appear...But then again it would be nice if I owned a BMW M3.
January 4, 2009, 12:58:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, it's a good thing you're joking about some disregard for the rules and about your being picked on, because neither thing happened.
 
You admitted to lying from your first day as Chippy Minton. Any subsequent references to the fact that you are a liar was from people merely agreeing with you.
January 4, 2009, 12:59:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
That should have read: It would be nice if these sort of comments didn't appear...
January 4, 2009, 1:05:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
c+p from 2-cents' site. post disppeared with the magic caret but still visible to mods. IP: 217.20.127.228 
 
IP: 217.20.127.228 | 01.04.09 - 12:21 pm | # 
 
Interesting...I would just imagine that this will be used as "proof" of the supposed racist posting here.
LarryMo | 01.03.09 - 4:26 pm | # 
 
Yeah mods, get on that ASAP!
Block Head | Homepage | 01.03.09 - 4:28 pm | # 
 
Ironically, "block head" claims to be black!
Olby Sucks | 01.03.09 - 4:57 pm | #
 
Nice lie, "moderator."
 
Moderator question #1 on the application must be:
 
1. Can you lie? If so, you're hired.
OS The Legend Lives On | 01.04.09 - 12:26 pm | #
Olby Sucks | 01.04.09 - 12:28 pm | # 
------------------
 
Was someone here sayng yesterday that the posters from this site don't go over to NH and throw rocks? LOL!!!!! I saw that c+p before the mods invisibled it. And there have been visits aplenty from OlbySucks today. Now, J$, tell me with a straight face that he hasn't posted on NH today and then come back here to brag about it ---just as I said yesterday.
 
And as I also said yesterday, you all need to GROW UP. You're like a bunch of grade-schoolers going tee-hee-hee behind the bushes after you rang someone's doorbell and ran away.
 
Oh and BTW Ashley, yes, it was night -time for me when I posted late afternoon your time yesterday... because I live in Ireland. How you people draw the conclusion from that, that I am the same person as Patrick, is beyond me. Ohhhh, wait, I get it -"Patrick" is an Irish name, right? And NOBODY in the USA would call lthemselves Patrick, now would they?! ROFL!! Gotta love that RW "logic"!
January 4, 2009, 1:54:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
HaggisFarmer | 01.04.09 - 1:03 pm | #
 
Gee, thanks for telling me what I "have to remember."
 
You either "simply don't know" what you're talking about or you're more interested in stirring the pot than learning the facts.
 
Here's a suggestion for a Haggis New Year's Resolution:
 
Look before you leap.
January 4, 2009, 1:56:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Pegleg, I have no idea what your cutting and posting OS's cutting and pasting is supposed to prove. But whatever it is, fine, you've had your say. It's still wholly irrelevant to this thread, which is supposed to be about the 'racist' messages, by the definition of the newshounds.
 
" It could actually be a Right Winger posting the "racist" comments over at NH simply to try and make the site look bad..."
 
Nice try Haggie, defending the indefensible. Unfortunately, if you follow the links you will see these are all regular hound commenters, anything but 'right wingers'. More to the point, it doesn't really matter if they are 'right wingers' or not. The issue isn't the people who posted. It's the fact that the 'moderators' there, while actively editing and deleting multiple other posts, permitted all these 'racist' comments to stand. It's the hounds and their minions who welcome these comments which are, by their own definition, 'racist'.
January 4, 2009, 2:14:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh and BTW Ashley, yes, it was night -time for me when I posted late afternoon your time yesterday... because I live in Ireland. How you people draw the conclusion from that, that I am the same person as Patrick, is beyond me. Ohhhh, wait, I get it -"Patrick" is an Irish name, right? And NOBODY in the USA would call lthemselves Patrick, now would they?! ROFL!! Gotta love that RW "logic"!
Pegleg Peggy | 01.04.09 - 1:59 pm | # 
 
Can anyone make any sense of that?
January 4, 2009, 2:17:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Stewed Tomatoes for Breakfast
The indignation demonstrated by the regulars on this board is laughable. At the time the first ICN blog closed, J$ encouraged the readers in the comment section to come to his blog to discuss Cable News. Stop acting like children and accusing people of stirring the pot anytime a negative comment about Fox News is made. In other words, shut your pie-holes.
January 4, 2009, 2:18:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
If that's Patrick, he learned how to write sentences. I see lots of periods and few commas.
January 4, 2009, 3:10:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'm assuming your just about to post proof that an apology wouldn't be the end of the matter...Or are you just spouting?
HaggisFarmer | 01.04.09 - 12:48 pm | # 
 
You "spouted" first. Post your proof that an apology would end the matter. What's that, you don't have any? No can do? Shocker! :lol:
January 4, 2009, 3:31:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | 01.04.09 - 3:36 pm |
 
That's the old OS ramblings that I've come to love....Can't answer the question so simply posts another question to get out of a tight spot.
January 4, 2009, 3:36:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
You're like a bunch of grade-schoolers going tee-hee-hee behind the bushes after you rang someone's doorbell and ran away.
Pegleg Peggy | 01.04.09 - 1:59 pm | #
 
What's the term people use for doing that again?
January 4, 2009, 3:48:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
The only rambling is coming from our trolls/NH ambassadors to mainstream blogs.
January 4, 2009, 4:22:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Stewed Tomatoes for Breakfast | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 2:23 pm |
 
Would you mind clarifying your comment re: 
 
1. The indignation demonstrated... is laughable.
 
2. At the time the first ICN blog closed, 
 
3. ...acting like children... 
 
4. ...accusing people of stirring the pot anytime a negative comment about Fox News is made.
 
5. In other words, shut your pie-holes.
 
Thanks
January 4, 2009, 5:47:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


Stewed Tomatoes for Breakfast
"Would you mind clarifying your comment re:"
 
No Danny I won't. At least not until you subscribe to Cable.
January 4, 2009, 7:19:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
So because you can point out (what you call) examples of NH racism, that excuses FOX News' racism?
 
You hold a blog and a national news program to identical standards?
January 4, 2009, 7:40:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Consider it done. You may proceed.
January 4, 2009, 7:54:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Reality | 01.04.09 - 7:45 pm | #
 
What was put on FNC by a viewer was not racism. What was put on NH by a commenter was racism.
 
We completely agree with you on one thing, Reality. NHs do have lower standards!
January 4, 2009, 8:08:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
If the text that Fox News allowed on wasn't racist, then why did they claim that it slipped by them? Why didn't they stand over it being a non-racist statement?
January 4, 2009, 9:00:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
Fox Fan,
 
"What was put on FNC by a viewer was not racism."
 
Really, what part of the below is not racism?
 
"The text message, sent in by a viewer, hoping the 'Magic Negro' would do well in 2009?"
 
"NHs do have lower standards!"
 
NH is a blog. FNC s a national news program. You seem to admit FNC has no more credibility than a blog.
January 4, 2009, 9:04:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Adding to my post, this quote from Fox News VP of programming Suzanne Scott : "We received tens of thousands of text message submissions during our New Years Eve special, and this particular viewer submission was inadvertently cleared for air. At FOX we recognize our error as opposed to networks who allow their hosts to utter crude vulgarities to the public."
January 4, 2009, 9:06:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
HaggisFarmer | 01.04.09 - 3:41 pm | # 
 
Case closed. 'hagis' is found guilty, again.
January 4, 2009, 9:30:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
"We are an opinion site..."
 
Unless those opinions contradict the lefty bent of Newswoofs. Then those opinions get nuked - because the left can never, ever tolerate dissent.
January 4, 2009, 9:35:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fish and Chips
Once again this site proven wrong .
 
Shocker!!!!!
January 4, 2009, 9:44:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
"What was put on FNC by a viewer was not racism."
 
Vs:
 
Fox News VP of programming Suzanne Scott : "We received tens of thousands of text message submissions during our New Years Eve special, and this particular viewer submission was inadvertently cleared for air. At FOX we recognize our error as opposed to networks who allow their hosts to utter crude vulgarities to the public."
 
LOL! Even FOX News admits it was wrong and yet mindless sheeple like "Fox Fan" refuse to accept reality!?
January 4, 2009, 9:44:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If the text that Fox News allowed on wasn't racist, then why did they claim that it slipped by them? Why didn't they stand over it being a non-racist statement?
Pegleg Peggy | 01.04.09 - 9:05 pm | # 
 
Because non-racist is not the same as non-controversial.
January 4, 2009, 9:47:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
Oops. Almost forgot. The moderators over there aren't even allowing any more comments on that thread. They're not even allowing access to the old comments.
January 4, 2009, 9:47:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
You seem to admit FNC has no more credibility than a blog.
Reality | 01.04.09 - 9:09 pm | #
 
What I admit is that FNC has far more credibility than NH and I stand by my words. FNC's magic negro is not racist. Doing the massa's bidding, toe tapping colored man, Uncle Tom, and house negro is. Please see Cecelia's multiple explanations as to the intent of the words. Magic negro was originally stated by the black LA Times writer. The others by NHs.
January 4, 2009, 9:50:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
95 posts on this topic and the best the sheeple here can do is blame the messenger. For argument's sake, let us say NH is racist. How exactly does that invalidate the *fact* FNC itself admitted they were wrong? 
 
"At FOX we recognize our error as opposed to networks who allow their hosts to utter crude vulgarities to the public."
 
For extra credit, feel free to try and explain how "Magic negro was originally stated by the black LA Times writer" makes it not racist?
 
Or are you now claiming blacks are incapable of being racist?
January 4, 2009, 11:32:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
let me try one more time to explain it. A word that is unfashionable or controversial is not necessarily a word that is racist. You seem to miss the point. 'Magic Negro' is a phrase that has been around for a long time; the LA Times writer was the first prominent person to apply it to Barack Obama. He did so without anybody raising any claim of racism. As as Cecelia pointed, the phrase is an indictment of white fear, rather than any criticism whatsoever of Obama. So it makes zero logical sense to even suggest that it is racist.
 
But that doesn't matter to the newshounds, whose interest is not in honest debate or consistency. (For an example of the latter, note how they tore apart Fox for reporting on a poll from the military times--even though the Fox report itself was critical of the poll! And yet, go thru the hound archives and you'll find them hyping a military times poll--because it agreed with them! But I digress.)
 
Fox admitted they were wrong because the term 'negro' has become unfashionable and hence controversial--back when it was fashionable, the term 'black' was considered insulting, and Martin Luther King used 'negro' more than any other description in his own speeches. So sure, they would rather that text msg not have been shown. But that doesn't make it 'racist'.
 
And then we get to my true point. Just like when the hounds erupted over the use of the phrase 'tar baby'--and I wrote an article about how they permitted that phrase on their own website--now they're guilty of the same thing. The messages they allowed to be posted were insulting and offensive stereotypes that demeaned blacks, and Juan Williams in particular. Note how the term 'negro' is used in them repeatedly--to demean a black man (as opposed to the way the LA Times used it, not to diminish Barack Obama but to symbolize white fear). The newshounds seem to think it's perfectly acceptable for them to call Mr Williams a 'house negro', a 'toe-tapping black man', an 'uncle tom', a 'lawn jockey', etc etc. And then turn around and call Fox News racist for something that isn't one tenth of what goes on at their own site.
 
In case you're still not getting it, the issue is hypocrisy--blatant, hateful, unbridled hypocrisy. Clear now?
January 4, 2009, 11:49:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Or are you now claiming blacks are incapable of being racist?
Reality | 01.04.09 - 11:37 pm | # 
 
Nope. We're claiming that you are incapable of having a clue.
 
The "Magic Negro" archetype, while controversial because it incorporates the term "negro", is not a racial slur against people of color. It's an emblem of white cultural hegemony.
 
"House negro" and "Uncle Tom" are race-targeted slurs against the character of non-whites.
 
FNC aired a controversial message by mistake and admitted it.
 
Though you seem unable to grasp anything more abstract than a bologna sandwich... move on.
January 4, 2009, 11:51:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Johnny,
 
Exactly! The issue is hypocricy, the hypocricy of bigotry.
 
Racism will exist as long as there is fear and hatred. But the fear and hatred of racism is no different than the fear and hatred of other forms of bigotry, regardless of the self-justification. 
 
The bigotry expressed by some everyday commenters at NH toward Juan Williams or toward those who disagree, or have a different political leaning, or watch FNC is no less evil than racism. Bigotry in any form should be quashed by the mods and condemned by those at NH who truly care about tolerance.
 
Hurling the racist tag at a cable news network for the inadvertant posting of a viewer's New Year's Eve text message makes the hurler look, at best, foolish, and while allowing demeaning racial, bigoted, hateful epitaths to stand unopposed, is disingenuous and blatantly hypocritical.
January 5, 2009, 12:33:43 AM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
"In case you're still not getting it, the issue is hypocrisy--blatant, hateful, unbridled hypocrisy. Clear now?"
 
How does any purported hypocrisy and/or racism on the part of NH refute the *fact* FNC itself admitted they were wrong for posting that text? You keep blaming the messenger but the facts are unchanged. Some of your sheeple still claim FNC wasn't wrong - even after FNC admitted it was.
 
"We're claiming that you are incapable of having a clue. Though you seem unable to grasp anything more abstract than a bologna sandwich... move on."
 
Do you think being insulting will make your point seem more valid?
January 5, 2009, 12:49:34 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"How does any purported hypocrisy and/or racism on the part of NH refute the *fact* FNC itself admitted they were wrong for posting that text?"
 
When did I ever say otherwise? Why do you keep changing the subject to something that I've never claimed? You might want to read the main post again. At no point do I say running that text message was a good thing, or the right thing. You want to argue that point, but I never raised it, let alone said you were wrong about it.
 
Now perhaps you would like to address what I actually wrote about: how the newshounds routinely permit far worse on their website, and how their cries of 'racism' are phony, hypocritical, and dishonest. I would like to hear your thoughts on the kinds of messages they allow without your changing the subject back again.
January 5, 2009, 12:58:33 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Or are you now claiming blacks are incapable of being racist?
Reality | 01.04.09 - 11:37 pm | # 
 
No. That was one of your co-horts aka 'block head.' He said, "I'm black, how could I be a racist?" 
 
The moderator recognized the stupidity of the post and deleted it just before the "negro" comment thread was closed.
January 5, 2009, 1:03:22 AM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
johnny dollar,
 
"You want to argue that point, but I never raised it, let alone said you were wrong about it."
 
Sorry, I guess since it's your site you must think I've been talking to you. I've been responding to Fox Fan @ | 01.04.09 - 8:13 pm | 
 
(And once briefly to Cecelia)
 
I don't care what NH said or not. I'm not talking about NH. I have simply pointed out that even in the face of FNC's apology and retraction, "Fox Fan" refused to believe there was anything wrong with the text.
 
That's not hypocritical, that's delusional.
January 5, 2009, 1:13:30 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"I don't care what NH said or not. I'm not talking about NH."
 
Well forgive me for being confused. This is an article about what the newshounds print on their site, about the moderators and what they permit, and about their double standards and hypocrisy. It was certainly rash of me to expect that people drawn to this article so much as to comment on it would be interested in those things, since that is, like, the subject of the article. Apparently you are here to argue hobby horses of your own rather than the topic at hand. I get it now.
January 5, 2009, 1:21:58 AM EST – Like – Reply


Reality
johnny dollar,
 
"I get it now."
 
No actually you don't. 
 
I was addressing the below comment by Fox Fan. Nothing more, nothing less.
 
"FNC's magic negro is not racist." (Fox Fan)
 
Olby Sucks,
 
"No. That was one of your co-horts aka 'block head.' He said, "I'm black, how could I be a racist?" 
 
I have no idea what you are talking about. The comment I was addressing here was by Fox Fan when he attempted to excuse racism because the phrase had been used before by a black man. 
 
"Magic negro was originally stated by the black LA Times writer." (Fox Fan)
January 5, 2009, 1:33:30 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
"95 posts on this topic and the best the sheeple here can do is blame the messenger." Reality | 01.04.09 - 11:37 pm----------
 
Yea. Staying on topic is unorthodox, but it is the best some of us can do. Why not give it a try. It won't hurt,......much.
 
=====
 
"You keep blaming the messenger but the facts are unchanged.... Do you think being insulting will make your point seem more valid?
Reality | 01.05.09 - 12:54 am
-----------
 
Evidently you do....unless you don't believe calling people "sheeple" or "delusional" is insulting.
January 5, 2009, 1:47:26 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Fox admitted they were wrong because the term 'negro' has become unfashionable and hence controversial
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.04.09 - 11:54 pm | # 
 
-----------------
 
Nice try, but:
 
"At FOX we recognize our error as opposed to networks who allow their hosts to utter crude vulgarities to the public."
 
Seems to me that the Fox representtive is equating the "magic negtro" comment with "crude vulgarities", not mere controversy. Since when did Fox ever shy away from controversy? On the contrary, they specialise in stirring it up!
January 5, 2009, 7:40:47 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
You're like a bunch of grade-schoolers going tee-hee-hee behind the bushes after you rang someone's doorbell and ran away.
Pegleg Peggy | 01.04.09 - 1:59 pm | #
 
What's the term people use for doing that again?
Fox Fan | 01.04.09 - 3:53 pm | # 
 
=============
 
"Dollaring"?
 
:D
January 5, 2009, 7:43:36 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I don't care what NH said or not. I'm not talking about NH. I have simply pointed out that even in the face of FNC's apology and retraction, "Fox Fan" refused to believe there was anything wrong with the text.
 
That's not hypocritical, that's delusional.
Reality | 01.05.09 - 1:18 am | # 
 
Well, I don't know if FF said there is "nothing" wrong with the text or if he only said that the text is not racist.
 
Perhaps an analogy from current events will help you move beyond an 'either/or' mentality.
 
The Democrats are in a pickle over what to do about the nomination of Roland Burris to take Sen. Obama's old seat.
 
They don't want him, but the visual of a bunch of white men throwing out a black man is not something they want to send
 
Would it be "racist" for the Democrats to reject Burris? No.
 
Would it be controversial? Yes.
 
Would it play into the hands of political opponents who wish to make hay out of the action and label it as racist? Yes.
 
Will it offend some well-intended and good people who are sensitive to such scenarios and who are, unfortunately, apt to see "racism" in even the most innocent of actions. Yes.
 
You have all the above factors inherent in what happened on FNC.
 
Those dynamics are why FNC views the airing of the message as a mistake.
January 5, 2009, 8:27:56 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"At FOX we recognize our error as opposed to networks who allow their hosts to utter crude vulgarities to the public."
 
Seems to me that the Fox representtive is equating the "magic negtro" comment with "crude vulgarities", not mere controversy. Since when did Fox ever shy away from controversy? On the contrary, they specialise in stirring it up!
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 7:45 am | # 
 
You've exhibited several logical fallacies here, Peggy.
 
You would not make such an comparison if...god forbid... Kathy Griffin had flashed her breasts on television and FNC had said:
 
AT FNC WE RECOGNIZE OUR ERROR AS OPPOSED TO NETWORKS WHO ALLOW THEIR HOST TO FLASH THEIR BREASTS TO THE PUBLIC.
 
Uttering crude vulgaries is precisely what Kathy Griffin did, whatever the terms one uses to describe it.
 
It does not follow that FNC is making a comparison between the two incidents in any way other than that they were both regrettable mistakes. 
 
FNC has expressed its regret.
January 5, 2009, 9:49:58 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
In addition to Cecelia's well-taken points, something else might have escaped Pegleg's notice. The phrase "as opposed to" means this is different from that. I don't know how Pegleg can say Fox is "equating" two things by pointing out how they are different!
January 5, 2009, 10:57:08 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Bottom line - 
 
Someone at FNC made a mistake, FNC acknowledged that mistake.
 
However, many of the troll posters coming in to play this weekend feel that it is the crime of the century. They find it perfectly acceptable for so many Newshounds posters to refer to a number of black people as "Token negro", "house negro", "Uncle Tom", and have these comments remain PERMANENTLY and that these opinions INTENTIONALLY allowed onto the newshounds site proves that the hounds and their readers are not racist.
 
Yet
 
Everyone associated with FNC and its viewers are racist because the term "magic negro" submitted by a viewer was briefly allowed for about one second, to flash on the screen.
January 5, 2009, 12:26:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The newshounds desperation bit them right in the ass. Thanks, Johnny!
January 5, 2009, 12:50:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Nice try but it doesn' work, guys. What you are saying is that Fox have said "We acknowledge our apples while our competitors don't acknowledge their oranges". That wouldn't make anyseisne.
 
But then it IS Fox...
January 5, 2009, 1:24:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
But then it IS Fox...
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 1:29 pm | # 
 
Yes, it's Fox. The #1 Rated Cable News Channel for more than 7 consecutive years.
 
CNN was the #1 rated cable news channel for about 19 straight years, the first 16 in a one cable news channel race.
 
MSNBC was the #1 rated cable news channel for 0 years.
January 5, 2009, 3:25:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"We acknowledge our apples while our competitors don't acknowledge their oranges". That wouldn't make anyseisne.
 
But then it IS Fox...
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 1:29 pm | # 
 
When in doubt go with the obvious, Peggy...
 
The episodes (and the choices here) aren't that they are -- EITHER/exactly alike-- OR/ completely different.
 
They are different, BUT they similar in that they are both ERRORS...
January 5, 2009, 3:34:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Hey J$, you were saying your minions don;t come over to NH to throw stones? I got this just before teh mods deleted it:
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Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 5:52 pm | # 
 
I saw where Johnny handed you your ass this morning. LOL!
Anonymous | | 01.05.09 - 5:54 pm | # 
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LOL! That's from someone who doesn't come here, right?
Whover it is hasn't even got the balls to use its screen name. 
Anyhoo- I'm off topic, so I shall bid you adieu.

January 5, 2009, 6:03:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I hate to disappoint you, but I don't have minions. But you are right on one point: you are off topic.
January 5, 2009, 6:08:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 6:08 pm | # 
 
So, for the record, NH deletes truthful posts, but keeps the ones that spew racial bigotry.
January 5, 2009, 6:23:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 6:08 pm | #
 
Johnny denied Eric Cartman's claim yesterday that he had sent people over to troll Eric's thread on News Hounds.
 
Ashley, MikeC, and Fox Fan, denied Eric Cartman's claim that they had posted there.
 
How did THAT get into your head as a claim that NO poster or lurker at J$P had EVER posted at News Hounds?
 
Perhaps you could answer at your next ring and run...
January 5, 2009, 6:43:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks/Minion?
Pegleg Peggy | 01.05.09 - 6:08 pm | # 
 
:lol:
January 5, 2009, 7:19:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
So, for the record, NH deletes truthful posts, but keeps the ones that spew racial bigotry.
Ashley | 01.05.09 - 6:28 pm | # 
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For the record, I havve no idea why any bigoted posts were not deleted; I have seen plenty of bigoted ones from trolls and regulars disappear. The stupid one posted about me was off-topic. 
 
As far as ring and run, the culprits never want the target to know who they were. I use one consistent screen name. Whoever reads posts here, goes over to NH to sneer, and comes back herer to post abou it hasn't even got the cojones to use a consistent name. That seems a lot more like "ring and run" to me.
January 6, 2009, 9:03:59 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pegleg Peggy | 01.06.09 - 9:08 am | #
 
Then perhaps you ought to talk to two Newshounds regulars here, who change their names around here each time they change their socks. Patrick and Haggis.
January 6, 2009, 10:16:32 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Whoever reads posts here, goes over to NH to sneer, and comes back herer to post abou it hasn't even got the cojones to use a consistent name. That seems a lot more like "ring and run" to me.
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.06.09 - 9:08 am | # 
 
Agreed.
January 6, 2009, 10:22:28 AM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Pegleg Peggy,
 
"As far as ring and run, the culprits never want the target to know who they were. I use one consistent screen name. Whoever reads posts here, goes over to NH to sneer, and comes back herer to post abou it hasn't even got the cojones to use a consistent name. That seems a lot more like "ring and run" to me. 
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.06.09 - 9:08 am | # "
 
"Agreed.
Cecelia | 01.06.09 - 10:27 am | # "
 
Mega dittos to that!
 
Peggy, I've very occasionally commented at NH and more often read the threads and skimmed the comments. I am confident that we both would agree that we are poles apart in our political philosophies. 
 
I also think that I would enjoy seeing you here on a regular basis b/c you strike me as an "honest broker" as opposed to OTM and Haggy.
 
In any case, Happy New Year!
January 6, 2009, 11:59:08 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I post here and there, under one name, try to stay on topic, don't indulge in vulgar or demeaning name calling, and yet, have had my posts deleted at NH, sometimes for simply repeating, with little comment, previous comments posted by NH regulars that I found to be inaccurate, self-defeating or hypocritical.
January 6, 2009, 12:16:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I also think that I would enjoy seeing you here on a regular basis b/c you strike me as an "honest broker" as opposed to OTM and Haggy.
 
Grammie | 01.06.09 - 12:04 pm | # 
 
Peggy, I second that emotion. I hope you post regularly too.
January 6, 2009, 4:56:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Ashley, I don't know who Patrick is. Haggis used to post on NH some time ago and as I recall he ended up deleted as often as not.
 
Grammie, I remember the first time I saw you post on NH, and I defended your right to say what you wanted to say because although it went against the prevailing opinions you stated your case on the topic in a clear and courteous manner. So I guess we have a mutual respect in spite of our differences. Happy New Year to you , too! And to all.
January 6, 2009, 8:54:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
And thank you too, Cecelia!
January 6, 2009, 8:55:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
IMO, this is the correct approach. (comment moderation)
 
Even on sites requiring registration, comments are also moderated.
 
Go News Hounds!
Average American Patriot | 01.06.09 - 8:33 pm | #
 
Is this funny, or what, considering the source?
January 6, 2009, 10:43:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
OS, thanks for finding that incredible gem.
 
Ten to one not even his mother would think that Patsy said that.
 
Thank you, Peggy, I remember the incident and you also. It is one reason that when skimming I noticed your comments.
January 7, 2009, 1:27:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, my lord, Olby Sucks, that's priceless!
 
THIS from a guy who evoked every member of the Third Reich when Bob Cox at OW went registration!
January 7, 2009, 10:50:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/16064/
 
"AAP" has waaaay too much time on his hands. He's over there doing exactly what the newsmutts "mods" excuse was for implementing the "moderation" rule. 
 
Oh, the hypocrisy! :lol:
January 7, 2009, 5:56:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The new system should prevent most or all of this. As far as I am concerned, anyone who flames and namecalls won't get on the thread, and that includes regulars. Inflammatory and offensive comments from either side aren't permitted.
 
Drive-By Moderator | 01.07.09 - 4:36 pm | # 
 
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Olbermann's Crusade Against Fox News, and Why It's Worse than You Thought 
By Mark Koldys | December 12, 2005 - 02:46
 
Squirmy little weasel, ain't it?
Average American Patriot | 01.07.09 - 3:17 pm | # 
 
Guess who was complaining about the moderating policy?
 
Anyone?
 
Ready?
 
RUM DROLL! PLEASE! 
 
DUMBASNAILS!
Average American Patriot | 01.07.09 - 2:07 pm | # 
 
And god alone knows what Dollar deletes, as he has been pre-moderating posts for some time now.
 
Plenty of opposng viewpoints have appeared here. But try telling the whiners that.
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.07.09 - 12:16 pm | #
January 7, 2009, 6:57:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
But if you want to get banned on Dollar's site real quick
just go over there and call O'Reilly, Bildo.
john t | Homepage | 01.07.09 - 6:01 pm | # 
 
This must be what johnt is referring to when he claims he got banned by J$ for "proving he was a liar." Makes sense, now. :lol:
January 7, 2009, 8:40:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Olby Sucks | 01.07.09 - 7:02 pm |
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First of all, the sentence "Inflammatory and offensive comments from either side aren't permitted" DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE MOD'S POST. YOU MADE IT UP.
 
Secondly, you have taken the remarks out of context. DBM's posts on this issue made it clear that she or he was referring to flaming directly at another poster. Here is what that paragraph says:
 
"The new system should prevent most or all of this. As far as I am concerned, anyone who flames and namecalls won't get on the thread, and that includes regulars. On the other hand, anyone who presents their point of view in a reasonable manner is welcome... with the exception of one or two certain trolls who have spent years trying to tear this place apart, such as Truthless (L'il Barry) and a couple of others to whom we have already had the pleasure of denying access."
 
And clarified further down the thread (@5:19, almost 2 hours before you put up your post here):
I for one have never deleted anyone for name-calling about a third person (i.e. media or political,or other public figure) and I don't think the others have either. The namecalling I refer to is directed from one poster to another.
 
The point of the moderator's post, which you have completely twisted, is that posters should not flame at one another. And the phrase "Inflammatory and offensive comments from either side aren't permitted"was not used anywhere!
 
What blog could possibly ban all potentially "inflammatory or offensive comments"? Blogs are opinion sites and almost anything can be construed as inflammatory or offensive by someone. It is the nature of a blog to comment on third parties - DUH! The point is that such remarks should not be addressed to one another in a gratuitous manner with the sole intent of stirring up trouble.
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From what I've seen here and at NH, OS seems to spend most of his time running from one site to another trying to stir it. "ooooh,oooooh, J$, Damail, look what they said about you! Ooooooh! oooooh!". Pathetic. How does anyone here take him seriously!? 
 
I love how OS talks about the NH "excuse" for introducing pre-approval of posts. Did he bitch about J
January 8, 2009, 4:55:50 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
DOES NOT APPEAR IN THE MOD'S POST. YOU MADE IT UP.
 
by peg leg
 
Yes, it does. I took it from another post down on the same thread and consolodated the two posts.
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Ellen,
 
You must have really got to Iwanttosleepwithkeitholbermann he is over at Johnny's crap site cutting and pasting stuff by AAP, johnt and you. He is bitching to anyone that will listen. Good work Ellen on putting the King Troll and his court in their place.
Go Steelers | 01.08.09 - 6:42 am | # 
 
I anxiously await your criticism of this poster from nh's (who I believe has claimed to be a mod under a different name).
 
Also, what you are saying is it is ok for a nh/lefty regular to call anyone who disagrees names, but, they can't call one of their own names, right?
January 8, 2009, 12:52:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
From what I've seen here and at NH, OS seems to spend most of his time running from one site to another trying to stir it. "ooooh,oooooh, J$, Damail, look what they said about you! Ooooooh! oooooh!". Pathetic. How does anyone here take him seriously!? 
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.08.09 - 5:00 am | # 
 
called OS a liar on dollar's site and he edited that out. But he left the rest of the post, which clearly demonstrates that OS is a liar, untouched. 
 
But really, what goes on over there doesn't make a damn bit of difference to us. That site has very few posters - it's always the same 5 or 6 names as far as I can see - and its not like they are competition. Best of all, the trolls from there can't really make trouble for us any more. 
Posted by: pegleg peggy on Thu 1.8 12:05pm 
 
Is it just me, or is peg leg being a little bit of a hypocrite? Who's running back and forth, peg?
 
:lol: :lol:
January 8, 2009, 12:59:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


NotSoFast
Topic: Fox Haters Condemn Racist Messages...Except Their Own!
 
"Plenty of opposing viewpoints have appeared here. But try telling the whiners that."
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The new moderation system at NH will not only keep out the hit and run trolls, it will prevent such racial comments from posting.
 
-News Hounds Fan
January 8, 2009, 4:05:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
If so that is a good thing. But why were all those comments allowed to stand then? There were many deletions and edits all around them, and yet they stood untouched.
January 8, 2009, 4:09:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Ironically, they deleted my condemnation of said racial posts, yet, let the racial posts stand. Baffling.
January 8, 2009, 4:39:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


NotSoFast
If so that is a good thing. But why were all those comments allowed to stand then? There were many deletions and edits all around them, and yet they stood untouched.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.08.09 - 4:14 pm | # 
 
Personally I find the comments you referring to as disgusting too. But there is such a thing as freedom of speech from the posters, and you as a moderator do not agree with everything you let go, am I right about that? IMO this site and NH do not necessarily condone every opinion that is written by the regulars and the trolls. I can appreciate the hard work you do to draw the line without suppressing free speech. I am guessing flaming is not allowed on either site in response to posts like these, and I have seen some trolls post negative racial epithets and they too have been removed. It is hard work to Mod and we readers need to cut them some slack or go elsewhere if we are too offended by free speech. I do not like what they wrote, but I defend their right to post it. Their were no threats of violence or calling fire in a theater, but were in extremely bad taste.
 
My two cents.
January 8, 2009, 5:07:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
newshouds are sinking to new lows......
 
http://forum.newshounds.us/viewtopic.php?t=25727
January 9, 2009, 9:01:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
You know os you bring alot of this on yourself, you go over to Newshounds and spread (well at least you did Until you got banned) then you come back over here. Are you upset since you cannot post anymore, please os we are all adults here.
January 9, 2009, 10:55:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bababooey | 01.09.09 - 11:00 pm | # 
 
Funny, I don't recall seeing a 'bababooey' over there. I could be wrong, though.
January 9, 2009, 11:31:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
So, baba, you have no problem with one of the mods hacking my profile? That's a rhetorical question.
January 9, 2009, 11:32:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Os,
 
I usually read the posts and once in a while will post, but I have read some of your post under many different name and many different ip addresses, If your profile was hacked then you need to take it to Ellen and prove it. But while I will not call you a name, I believe you are like the boy who cries wolf , not sure what you say is true and what is not.
 
Seems to me you are bitter, about not being able to post over their anymore without moderation. I bet if you wanted to post and did it in a civil manner and not say things like "Obama should be waterboarded"
 
I am sure Johnny Dollar does the same sort of moderation. If you can be civil and not go to name calling and let either side have their say. What I am saying "Don't be ugly"
January 10, 2009, 12:09:14 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I usually read the posts and once in a while will post
 
by baba
 
LOL!
January 10, 2009, 1:10:34 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
BTW, baba. I'm all for the new moderation rule at your beloved newshounds. Check the ot forum/mod thread.
January 10, 2009, 1:12:21 AM EST – Like – Reply


Chinaskee
Nothing baffling at all about the Newshounds new policy and anybody from over there who makes the claim that that the moderators also delete comments from any of the FOX haters who post over there is flat out lying. The Newshounds don't like dissenting opinions on their website because those opionions expose them as the partisan hacks they are so they ridicule,delete,ban and label a troll anybody that doesn't agre with them. And they do the same thing on their soi-called "off-topic" forums. This latest policy of theirs is to insure that only people who agree with the Newshounds can post over there. And if you look at the latest threads that is exactly what is happening. You will not find any dissenting opinions on any of those threads,just one big echo chamber of FOX News hating Newshounds.
January 10, 2009, 1:19:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Chinaskee | 01.10.09 - 1:24 pm | # 
 
I suggest you go to NH, find an article you disagree with, post a dissenting opinion (c&p before submitting) and see if it shows up or not. Untill then, you are simply making off topic echos.
January 10, 2009, 2:18:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Vstol, I'm not sure of your point. Are you agreeing with Chinaskee that the NH keep dissenting arguments out, or saying that they DO allow dissenting arguments to be posted?
January 10, 2009, 2:29:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I'm saying the new policy should be judged by current and future results, not past results.
January 10, 2009, 2:43:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Fair enough. But since the NH have threatened to have my internet access turned off and this site shut down if I ever dare to post in one of their comment threads, I personally remain skeptical.
January 10, 2009, 2:47:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chinaskee
I'm not talking about past results vstol. I am talking about all of the editorials that have been posted over there since their new policy went into effect. You will not find a single dissenting opinion in any of those threads. That's the way they like it over there. Dissenting opinions scare them because they can't rebut the truth of those opinions.And as far as me going over there and trying to post anything to prove my point that isn't possible since the hounds have found my opinions to be so threatening to their point of view that they've blocked my IP from posting there at all.
January 10, 2009, 3:10:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Chinaskee | 01.10.09 - 3:15 pm 
 
Send me one and I'll post it.
January 10, 2009, 3:35:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/16071/
January 10, 2009, 3:50:03 PM EST – Like – Reply