1/18/10 12:31 PM

Friday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Thursday's numbers: FNC sweeps again.

CNBC plummets.  Profile: Mika (via ICN).  Family flak.

Beck cover photog discredited.

Who's behind the birthers? Fox!!

FNC: No plans to move Beck replay.

Chris Wallace: Obama snub a badge of honor.

Olby's O'Reilly silence?  Wolf: I lost on Jeopardy.

Obama, control, and Fox.  Tapper vs FNCAd flap update.

Beck supplants Rush?  Hotline after dark.  New CNN slogan.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Pat Pomeroy
CNN International ran NBC/MSNBC's Ann Curry's interview of Prime Minister Ahmandinejad. I must say she did a remarkable job. Probing, respectful questions. Nothing superficial or self-serving. No softballs.
September 18, 2009, 2:47:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I've always felt that Beck is fundamentally, emotionally unstable, so this would be a two-fer. Knock off Limbaugh, then self-destruct. I am a bit more interested in O'Reilly's lurch to the mainstream. Public option? Anytime you see a realignment with FOX (or, indeed, any American cable news network) media prime-time personalities, you have to ask yourself why. Van Susteren made a huge lurch to the right, then O'Reilly turned to the middle, now Van Susteren seems to be pulling back to the middle. In part, this could be her growing discontent with Palin, but I am more likely to believe that O'Reilly and Van Susteren are finding a more fertile field in the middle. I don't think either would allow personal ideology or even the "truth," whatever that may be, dictate or define their ratings' building.
September 18, 2009, 2:54:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Julie is a lying sack of dog squeeze.
 
Bill O’Reilly Backs the Public Option
Reported by Julie - September 17, 2009 - 39 comments  
 
She posts this headline and a clipped video giving the impression that O'Reilly totally backs a public option.
 
In fact he supports it only if it doesn't mean a complete takeover of the health care system by the government.
 
So many lies. So little time.
 
And these people complain that Fox distorts?
September 18, 2009, 8:12:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Understand, Julie had no idea what O'Reilly said because she doesn't watch Fox. She followed the herd from Daily Kos to HuffPo who posted that clip, and then did her part in the echo chamber.
September 18, 2009, 9:39:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Networks Mostly Overlook Fox News Role In Hyping ACORN Story
Reported by Ellen - Thu 10:32 PM
 
As the evidence mounts against ACORN, the News Poodles continue their downard slide into irrelevance.
 
Brietbart was on Fox this morning offering the full videos and full transcripts to CNN.  
 
Let's see how that works out.
September 18, 2009, 9:49:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Straight from Media Matters. Ellen is playing parrot.
September 18, 2009, 9:50:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I've always felt that Beck is fundamentally, emotionally unstable, so this would be a two-fer. Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 2:59 am | #  
 
Thank you Dr. Pomery. Any other medical advice you wish to offer?
September 18, 2009, 9:50:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Understand, Julie had no idea what O'Reilly said because she doesn't watch Fox. She followed the herd from Daily Kos to HuffPo who posted that clip, and then did her part in the echo chamber.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.18.09 - 9:44 am | #  
 
That's the same MO with most followers of the Poodles. In some of their comments they say they don't watch Fox but only get their info from News Hounds.
 
How can anyone form an opinion based on selective evidence?
 
Appeerntly they just believe Ellen and her stable of liars.
September 18, 2009, 9:54:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I like how Mark Levin responded to the issue of Beck supplanting Limbaugh....
 
"Comparing Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck is like comparing George Washington to George Jefferson. Beck can be very entertaining and even informative, but he is neither the face nor the voice of the conservative movement. He is one of many."
 
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I would agree, although Limbaugh is no George Washington.
September 18, 2009, 10:14:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Thanks for the Levin quote, Cee. I hadn't seen that. Very amusing.
September 18, 2009, 10:59:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
As the evidence mounts against ACORN, the News Poodles continue their downard slide into irrelevance.
 
--- Irrelevant? Not as long as your cyber footprint is evident, Blackthon. They don't need a publicist with you around. Reminds me of Olbermann Watch. Constantly bringing up someone you want to disappear. Still, you enjoy it, so more power to you. ---
September 18, 2009, 11:05:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
CNN International is now available in French because the French have created their own 24 hour news network. CNN International tends to be skewed to Americans who live or frequently travel abroad, so broadcasting it in French doesn't really change its essential American flavor. Watch CNN Internationale Francaise and the French network. It's like the news is completely different. The difference between the two is far greater than the difference between MSNBC and FOX, without really intending to be. There's a great story there.
September 18, 2009, 11:10:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
RE: Wolf on Jeopardy
 
Come on, J$... if you're going to quote it... you might as well post the link to the video too:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_JIg9NB47M
September 18, 2009, 11:27:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Chuck
Bill O is trying to muster the nads to move more to the center. On last nights show he actually used the 75K number issued by the DC FD as the gospel truth on the number of 9/12 protesters in Washington. He rebuked his guest for using the 1 million figure.
 
Remember you heard it here first. Bill O just might be negotiating a contract with CNN in the stratosphere megabucks realm.  
 
Just my opinion but I have watched him for quite some time and something lately just does NOT ring quite true about old Bill O.
September 18, 2009, 11:42:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
He's used that number consistently. Last night was nothing new.
September 18, 2009, 11:45:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
That Blitzer video is great.
 
I've been to a number of Jeopardy tapings, you get a different perspective on the contestants. The pressure on them is more apparent.
 
However, Blitzer was steamrolled. Seems to me that he started off well, but when he made a few mistakes, he panicked and never recovered.
September 18, 2009, 11:46:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Olbermann's silence on O'Reilly is very interesting beacuse of how he left things back in May....
 
"That I have a commercial conflict of interest here is obvious, so I'll make the first symbolic contribution to this quarantine. One of my pleasures obviously is constantly criticizing him in that Ted Baxter voice. It is the idea of laughter, as a social sanction against inflexible behavior. But this is no time for laughter. This is serious. Serious as death. As serious as George Tiller's death. So as of this show's end, I will retire the name and the photograph and the caricature. The words may still be quoted in the future as developments dictate. But the goal here is to get this blindly irresponsible man and his ilk off the air. "
 
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Recall Olbermann was calling for a public area boycott of FNC as well....
 
Now that O'Reilly has shown his tendancy for bipartisanship and is much more reasonable than the bomb thrower, Olbermann, in agreeing there needs to be a public option, Olbermann has not mentioned him.
 
It simply shows the truly content-free nature of COUTNDOWN, the truly toothless threats from the self-described "carnival barker" and that when a once totally evil man shows he is not...well....ignoring the news is the only option.
 
I wonder what would happen if Beck saves a little kitten from a tree this weekend?
September 18, 2009, 11:47:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Chuck
Yes JD, he has used the 75K figure before but not quite as forcefully as last night.
 
I don't remember him rebuking a guest for using a higher number either.
 
He always used the caveat, "Well I was not there, so I don't know".
September 18, 2009, 12:04:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
BOR signed a four-year contract with FNC in 2008.  
 
Even if that signing occurred in 2005 or 6, I wouldn't believe that BOR would be going anywhere else.
September 18, 2009, 12:05:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I have no information on the suggested network change, and I'm not sure CNN would have any place for O'Reilly even if desired a change. CNN is and will always be primarily news, with moments of commentary. FOX is commentary with mere moments of news. And, O'Reilly is not, by even the kindest stretch of the imagination, a newsman. I suspect O'Reilly simply realizes that if you become too closely associated with the Tea Partiers and the Birthers, you have limited your audience to well below 15% of the American public. Van Sustern after her two tiny steps to the right and one giant step to the left seems to have realized that as well. Hedging for a network change? Possible, but not likely for either. For new ratings ground at FOX? More likely. Beck and Hannity have tapped their entire potential audience. O'Reilly and Van Susteren may want more, and they may understand from whence it will come. The paradigm shift among the nation's electorate in 2008 is increasingly evident. Beck and Hannity just don't understand it or don't know what to do about it.
September 18, 2009, 1:27:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 1:32 pm | #  
"Beck and Hannity have tapped their entire potential audience. O'Reilly and Van Susteren may want more, and they may understand from whence it will come. "
 
Well, their ratings have been slowly yet steadily growing. I'm curious how you have determined that they've now gone as far as they ever will go.
September 18, 2009, 1:52:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


GrandpaD
I'm not sure CNN would have any place for O'Reilly even if desired a change.
 
Larry King Live.  
(If King can survived until 2012.)
September 18, 2009, 2:20:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
This lovely piece of drivel from Priscilla the plagiarist.
 
The Murdoch media that uses the fear of liberals, Democrats, African Americans, Hispanics, gays, immigrants, non Christians…card accuses Nancy Pelosi of playing the “fear and violence” card when Speaker Pelosi said that the current culture of hatred towards the president reminds her of a time when anti gay rhetoric resulted in the assassination of the mayor of San Francisco and a gay member of the San Francisco Board of Supervisors.
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Wouldn't it be interesting to know how many Blacks, Hispanics or Gays there are on the staff of Ellen's dog washers?
September 18, 2009, 2:25:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
The paradigm shift among the nation's electorate in 2008 is increasingly evident. Beck and Hannity just don't understand it or don't know what to do about it.
Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 1:32 pm | #  
 
The 08 elections are over. I would venture a guess that the 2010 elections will be quite interesting.
 
Neither O'Reilly, Hannity not Van Susteren are gong nowhere. Take it to the bank.
September 18, 2009, 2:28:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Blitzer was steamrolled, Ashley, but Andy Richter dominated. It was a performance of Ken Jennings proportions. $68,000!   
 
Re: "Beck cover photog discredited": I feel sorry for Glenn. The photographer seemed so nice in that behind-the-scenes video, but she was really using him. No wonder she calls herself JillManipulator on Twitter.
 
Re: "Tapper vs. FNC": In the hopes of getting Jake back into FNC's good graces, I wrote the following comment to one of his status updates, which was simulatenously posted on Twitter, on Facebook:
Jake, I'm sorry about the ad. I'll amend on behalf of FNC because I don't want you to hate them:
*Few* media missed it. Fortunately, Jake Tapper and Yunji de Nies are among those who *didn't* miss it.
There.
Unfortunately, 1) I don't think Jake will ever see my comment, and 2) if he did, he wouldn't accept my apology on FNC's behalf. Thanks to that ad, he's an Fox News hater for life. He'll never look at Major Garrett the same way again in the briefing room. And he'll probably boycott Dennis Miller's show because Miller's a right-leaning guy that appears on FNC once a week. Tap-Tap has made a heel turn. Thanks a lot, Fox News advertising and PR.
September 18, 2009, 2:40:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
He's a Fox News hater for life. I was originally going to write "an FNC hater."
September 18, 2009, 3:04:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Wow, CNBC ratings have dropped 37% in the last year. I don't think Bartiromo's demonstrated ignorance about Medicare (Weiner interview) helped.
 
I hope these viewers are turning to FBN. Jenna is so adorable.
September 18, 2009, 3:06:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Re: Bill Shine's tweet
 
I wouldn't mind a one-hour "Best of Beck" on the weekends. By "Best of", I don't mean a replay of a single show, I'd rather have mixed segments from that week's shows.
 
J$ would make a great host.
 
For that matter, maybe a weekly "FHWiR"?
 
FNC would probably prefer "FDWiR" the "D" being "Detractors".
 
J$ and JB hosting.
September 18, 2009, 3:11:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
It's astounding to me that people like Ellen and company, don't see their own relentless invoking of bigotry and violence as being fear-mongering in its own right.
 
They can go into fits over some joe or jill calling the president a communist, when some of his actions towards the auto-industry and health care policy arguably tilt that way, but Pelosi referencing a politician murdering another politician just after the Joe Wilson flap, is merely evidence of her unselfish angst and concern...
September 18, 2009, 3:14:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
if he did, he wouldn't accept my apology on FNC's behalf. Thanks to that ad, he's an Fox News hater for life. He'll never look at Major Garrett the same way again in the briefing room. And he'll probably boycott Dennis Miller's show ...
Mike C. | Homepage | 09.18.09 - 2:45 pm | #  
 
Mike, I'd wager that Tapper takes this more in stride than you might imagine.
September 18, 2009, 3:18:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
What a great moment on FNC, James Rosen reporting live from something called the Value Voters meeting and some guy from the audience was interrupting him. Hope to hear more about this.
September 18, 2009, 3:22:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I hope he is taking it in stride, Cece, and that'll he just brush it off and go back to not having a problem with Fox. But you know me: I tend to assume the worst, for better or worse.
September 18, 2009, 3:29:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "FNC: No plans to move Beck replay": 11PM on weekends?
September 18, 2009, 3:44:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Ashley, given the miniscule aggregate audience of American cable "news" and the fact that I used 15% as Beck's maximum appeal, I should think that the answer to your question would be self-evident. You seem to assume I am saying that Beck's (and Hannity's) accomplishments are not noteworthy. They are. For fringists, they perform, as measured by the ratings, very well. Even if they attained their maximum potential audience, it would be a small audience. If it helps soothe your ruffled feathers, Olbermann has a potential audience larger than Beck's (and Hannity's) given the demographic shifts in America. He under-performs. What we see with O'Reilly is a sincere effort to expand his potential by grasping the middle. Van Sustern is trying to do the same, but I question her sincerity in all things.
September 18, 2009, 3:46:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I'm not getting any coverage of the Rosen event, Ashley. Isn't Values Voters a rightist group? Why would they be shouting down the unfortunate Rosen?
September 18, 2009, 3:48:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I smell another opportunity for Olbermann to improve his self esteem tonight using Blitzer's poor performance on JEOPARDY....a self-gratifying exercise disguised as something, we'll all, "talk about tomorrow."
 
Olbermann did well on celebrity JEOPARDY back several years ago, even winning his game, if I recall correctly.
September 18, 2009, 3:50:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 3:53 pm | #  
 
It was one guy, don't make this out like it was "they". It was one guy who obviously didn't even realize that he was on camera, much less Rosen.
 
Yes, I've since looked up info on the group. Conservative group.
September 18, 2009, 4:44:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olbermann did well on celebrity JEOPARDY back several years ago, even winning his game, if I recall correctly.
cee | 09.18.09 - 3:55 pm | #  
 
I just googled it. Looks like this was in 2004. The contestants were Al Franken, Gretchen Carlson, and Cankles.
 
Won in final jeopardy by Al Franken.
 
All three got the correct "questions", however only Al F and GC spelled Niagara Falls correctly. Cankles spelled it Niagra Falls.
September 18, 2009, 4:48:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 3:51 pm | #  
 
Your answer makes zero sense as overall cable news viewers are increasing.
 
Aggregate audience?  
You are implying that the overall cable news audience is made up of a fixed list of specific sub groups. That makes no sense.
September 18, 2009, 4:52:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pat Pomeroy | 09.18.09 - 3:51 pm | #  
 
By the way, my feathers are not "ruffled". I simply asked you a question which would have been satisfied with a simple answer, not congressional legislation.
September 18, 2009, 4:54:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I've done a bit of surfing, Ashley, and I understand an MSNBC was heckled and that Dobson issued an apology for the group.
 
By the way, by "aggregate audience" I am not implying anything about sub-groups. I am talking about the sum of the cable "news" and cable "business" audiences. A very small group of Americans. Last time I did the math, only 3% of Americans routinely watch cable news and business.
September 18, 2009, 5:19:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
If "Jeopardy!" knew then that Gretchen would be at FNC two years later, they would not have had her on. And Sen. Franken and Olbermoronn would probably like to forget being teamed with her. Keith has certainly made up for it by bashing her into the ground.
September 18, 2009, 6:01:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The folks at the Values Voters conference really messed up with their arrangements for the press. Between the Rosen situation, which was kind of funny when I saw it live, the situation with the NBC reporters (Family Flak Link), that group comes across like dopes. They really should have done better. ICN has good analysis.
September 18, 2009, 6:15:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
PP,
 
MSNBC AND Fox News reporters were asked to be quiet during a speech because the people sitting near them couldn't here the speaker, others said the reporters were being disruptive, and one gentleman, when asked by the MSNBC reporter what he wanted to say, he replied, You're being very rude."
 
I don't know if any other network reporters were asked by attendees to pipe down or leave because I can only watch 2 channels at a time. Security, evidently, did escort one attendee out of the auditorium.
 
Conservatives have a tendency to demand courtesy and consideration for others and they are definitely not media groupies.
September 18, 2009, 6:52:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


TTC
Can you post something about the FOX ad re the tea party coverage?
 
It was pretty painful watching Rick Sanchez and having to admit he had a point.
 
I'm guessing it was a screwup with the art department. The ad would have been such a slam dunk with the ACORN story, and they had even aired CNN clips on the coverage. One thing FOX isn't, is stupid.
September 18, 2009, 7:35:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Rick Sanchez having a point makes me ill. I agree, I would like to hear more explanation from FNC.
September 18, 2009, 8:02:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Conservatives have a tendency to demand courtesy and consideration for others and they are definitely not media groupies.
ramjet | Homepage | 09.18.09 - 6:57 pm | # ----- Evidence of that contention would fill up a three (3) hour documentary given the Tea Parties, the August Town Halls, the despicable Representative Wilson, &c. You might have some basis for a statement to the effect progressives can be just as rude. But you do raise an interesting point. Conservative rage (and not all conservatives are as anger-filled as those who seem to earn air time) is not photogenic, is it? Yet, that is what tends to be shown by all the cable "news" networks. In a bumper sticker world of news, a thoughtful discussion doesn't seem to warrant coverage.
September 19, 2009, 3:34:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Ashley, given the miniscule aggregate audience of American cable "news"
 
by philby
 
Ashley, this is how the lefties take jabs at the success of Fox News. 99 out of a hundred times it's followed by the old and tired argument of "only 3% watch." They are actually ridiculing msnbc in the process!
September 19, 2009, 11:33:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply