3/3/09 1:21 PM

Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Video: MSNBC booking crash victims on air!

Wednesday's numbers: Hannity up 20%.

Chat with Chuck.

Glenn Beck's first guest.

Scarborough slammed.

Q&A: Bret Baier.

Lou Dobbs trashes Kudlow.

Hotline after dark.

Getting into Gaza.

Fox radio adds streaming video.

Dan Lyons banned from CNBC? For telling the truth? New info.

Profile: John King.

Q&A: John Harwood, Ali Velshi.

Coop's rules part deux.

Video: F&F needles MSNBC.

Greta: it's really me.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Fox Fan
It's unfathomable that anyone could be against what liberals call "torture". Waterboarding? Metallica? Sleep depravation? Please. We are dealing with people who tape beheadings and line people up for mass executions.
 
As we empty Gitmo, we should open the doors and tell them to run. Consider it target practise!
January 15, 2009, 7:12:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
While an Obama supporter, I totally agree with you FF, it is important to keep Gitmo open, but lets give Obama a chance and see what he might do different.
 
The target practice thing is too funny.
January 15, 2009, 9:56:35 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Great piece on Just One Minute blog based on a Debra Saunders editorial on how the lexicon of torture will change to terms like "flexibility" when Obama is in office.
 
It's JOM's prognostication, that waterboarding will be banned outright as an emblematic move, but Obama will not make the Army Field Guide the last word in interrogation techniques as he had said he would do during the campaign.
 
You'll see a shift on the issue in the media and in liberal quarters.
 
I won't test my welcome here by giving yet another link, but I do highly recommend the blog and the editorial.
January 15, 2009, 10:20:33 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 7:17 am |
 
I agree with you FF...These people are animals....But that doesn't mean we have to stoup to their level and use torture....And then try and justify it by airing a fictional speech by a fictional character in a fictional show.
 
On a side note FF...The new super fast router has arrived...So just waiting for the new connection to kick in.  
 
Sorry if I'm annoying you Bababooey...But I really don't give a sh*t.
January 15, 2009, 10:25:53 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
The only problem with that superfast router, like your electric satellite dish, is that it will have no effect on your untrue statements as in the above. But then that's why we like you!
January 15, 2009, 10:32:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 10:37 am |
 
What was untrue about my previous statement? Didn't F&F/O'reilly and probably Hannity (never seen his new show...so not sure) use the fictional speech to try and justify the use of torture?
 
But my new super fast router has an anti Right Wing talking points red button...Should come in handy around here
January 15, 2009, 12:13:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No. Justification means it's used as proof of the rightness of an argument. I know of no one who cited the clip as factual evidence. I'm sure it came up as an exemplar of the argument dramatized in a fictional fashion. The speech from 'Mr Smith Goes to Washington' has been cited in a similar context many times. But if you know anyone who actually cited the 24 clip as "proof" of a factual point, then please feel free to correct me.
January 15, 2009, 12:20:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
But my new super fast router has an anti Right Wing talking points red button...Should come in handy around here
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 12:18 pm | #  
 
Is there an attachment that could show you how to actually refute a proof or an exemplar rather than merely dismissing it?
 
If yes, I suggest you get mom and dad to buy you one.
January 15, 2009, 12:32:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
If yes, I suggest you get mom and dad to buy you one.
Cecelia | 01.15.09 - 12:37 pm |
 
I'm quite capable of buying my own stuff...My father died in 1991.
 
Johnny...The Friend and Beck were certainly using the resent 24 episode as an example of why torture should be allowed. Bill was even going as fare as to say....If torture wasn't allowed and an attack happened Obama would be finished....Simply because he didn't allow torture.
January 15, 2009, 12:52:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
If torture wasn't allowed and an attack happened Obama would be finished....Simply because he didn't allow torture.
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 12:57 pm | #  
 
Depending on the possibilities, BOR would be quite correct.  
 
I'm quite confident that a very small number of Americans would receive solace from the thought "Well at least we didn't torture anyone" in response to learning that another 9/11 event which happened, killing many Americans, might have been avoided had we waterboarded a terrorist suspect.
 
Last year, a very serious plot to blow up aircraft over major cities while on approach to landing, wasn't that plot stopped dead in its tracks through the use of waterboarding? Thousands of people could have been killed with thousands more seriously injured.
 
And on the content of "stooping to their level", waterboarding doesn't even come close to flying planes into high rise buildings, or trying to blow-up commercial aircraft over major cities, using children as shields, etc.
January 15, 2009, 1:40:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
It's now Day 38 of Haggys inability to back-up his claim:
 
Bret Baier...He did something wrong...I just can't remember what...I'll get back to you.
January 15, 2009, 1:56:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bill was even going as fare as to say....If torture wasn't allowed and an attack happened Obama would be finished....Simply because he didn't allow torture.
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 12:57 pm | #  
 
haggy, do you have priscilla on speed dial?
January 15, 2009, 2:01:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
24 is fiction, the Grapes of Wrath is fiction, Star Trek is fiction (sorry Haggy).
 
The definition of torture is being rewritten.
 
As one who has had the distinct displeasure of experiencing waterboarding, it hurt and it was scary. There was zero physical damage, zero permanent effects, zero residual consequences.
 
Big whoop.
January 15, 2009, 2:04:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Folks i can only go on the testimony of a man who has been tortured...And that man is John McCain. I don't agree with a lot of what he says but I'm 100% in agreement with him over torture. I'm listening to the Holder confirmation hearing and Lindsey Graham is also against torture.
Holder is doing a great job against the usual hypothetical questions the republicans throw out....24 like situations....you know what I mean.
 
Ashley | 01.15.09 - 2:01 pm |  
 
It won't be long until I get back to you over the Bret Baier question.
January 15, 2009, 2:58:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Uh oh, it's off to Media Matters and Think Propaganda!
January 15, 2009, 3:00:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I want to know if I can buy an electric dish on Ebay.
January 15, 2009, 3:07:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 3:05 pm |
 
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with using these fine sites for research purposes...Just like folk here check out NewsBusters and the media research centre for their info. F&F are good users of MRC for interviews...They just forget to tell their viewers it's a Right Wing outlet.
January 15, 2009, 3:07:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Bababooey | 01.15.09 - 3:12 pm |
 
Most satellite distributors will be able to sort you out with one....it's excellent for picking up European football for free...you can get this online now...Just the picture quality is a lot better with a dish.....I hope this post hasn't annoyed you to much.
January 15, 2009, 3:19:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Haggis,
While I believe that some of Fox News personalities lean Republican, like Fox and Friends and obviously Hannity and soon Glen Beck.
I don't see much bias as you say with O'Reilly and Bret Bair he is a fair a newsperson as you will find on cable news. Hume would not let someone take over his post with an 'agenda"
If you are getting some of your information from Media Matters and ThinkProgress, then you are getting your info from the wrong outlet.
Its almost like a Republican getting their info from 'Drudge" take what it is worth, but don't use it to be arguemenative.
January 15, 2009, 3:55:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
They just forget to tell their viewers it's a Right Wing outlet.
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 3:12 pm | #  
 
Doesn't matter if you get your news from a monkey as long as it's right. Think, before you post, please.
January 15, 2009, 4:24:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
F&F are good users of MRC for interviews...They just forget to tell their viewers it's a Right Wing outlet.
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 3:12 pm | #  
 
Since you seem concerned that they "forget to tell their viewers it's a Right Wing outlet, how do you feel when Keith "Czechoslovakia" Olbermann "forgets" to tell his audience that Media Matters is a left wing outlet?
January 15, 2009, 4:53:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Re: Scarborough slammed
 
Holy crap, Batman! Eric Alterman, the man living in an Alter Universe, says Joe-Scar "really pisses me (him) off" for saying "“I just hope some people on the Upper West Side will take a closer look at themselves” after a segment showing hostility toward someone wearing a McCain/Palin T-shirt, that Howard Kurtz has a "far-right perspective", that CD with KO is a "ratings hit...where the host has been known to be critical of President George W. Bush," that FOX News is right-wing, that it's hard to take Joe-Scar's criticism of "his Republican Party over the last two years" because he "appeared by George W. Bush’s side smiling and clapping the last time he (Bush) ran for president," and even though Alter-man wrote a Media Notes puff piece on her last month, he writes, "Mika Brzezinski, who I think is supposed to be the liberal one."
 
And most bizarre, somehow Joe's failure to expose dedicated McCain/Palin voters “close-mindedness” and the fact that Scarborough's show is 3 hours means no one should be concerned about MSNBC's liberal bias.
January 15, 2009, 5:00:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Once again FNC's ratings greatly exceed those of the competition. Great job for BOR (as we've long since grown to expect!) and Sean increasing in the ratings!! In Total Viewers, Sean beat Mr. Czechoslovakia's first and second run combined with just his first show! BOR's ratings are simply fantastic. Now Olby has to figure out another lamebrain reason to make BOR the WPiTW.
 
Great job Fox!
January 15, 2009, 6:05:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
vstol | Homepage | 01.15.09 - 5:05 pm | #  
 
Chris Mathews is a "right wing shill" to the far left loons. Does that tell you anything?
January 15, 2009, 6:19:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Thank you CNN for giving us video evidence that the crew from Rachel Maddow's show are the cable news networks equivalent of "Ambulance Chasers".
 
Will RM have a passenger named Jeff on tonight's or tomorrow's show? Now that we know they're ambulance chasers, let's find out how good they are at it.
 
By the way, an amazing story about that US Air flight. Super huge kudos to the crew and the passengers.
January 15, 2009, 6:36:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
HaggisFarmer | 01.15.09 - 3:03 pm | #
 
Haggis, what McCain went through was torture. What the US government does to its detainees is not. When we start breaking bones you can use McCain as an example of our interrogation methods.  
 
I don't see why we capture enemy combatants anyways when it would be so easy to ensure that they'd never feel pain again.
January 15, 2009, 7:16:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bloggers uncover possible
CNN video fraud
(IsraelNN.com) A popular blog has uncovered several discrepancies in a video report from Gaza that purports to show the death and burial of a 12-year-old boy ...  
 
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=3586
January 15, 2009, 9:45:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
http://michaelsavage.wnd.com/ind...iew& pageId=3586
Olby Sucks | 01.15.09 - 9:50 pm | #  
 
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Michael Savage is not the best person to get any information from. Unless you want a guy who makes fun of Autistic children and for what he says about all liberals. His is Rush Limbaugh, without a brain. But os considering some of the place you get your info I am not suprised.
January 15, 2009, 10:28:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Frame by frame analysis.
 
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ace_1231644797
January 15, 2009, 10:42:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


david smawley
FoxNews prime time domination continues and expands it's audience at the expense of network news, CNN & MSNBC. Oh, the humanity!
January 15, 2009, 10:55:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Olby Sucks | 01.15.09 - 9:50 pm |  
 
Sorry no truth to the claims of your main man or the bloggers.
 
The video was taken down and then reinstated by CNN, because it was proven to be true.  
 
About a WEEK ago, try to keep your fact straight. Please.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/01/09/gaza.video.accusations/index.html?eref=rss_topstories#cnnSTCVideo
January 15, 2009, 11:25:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/ me...ies#cnnSTCVideo
1fortheroad | 01.15.09 - 11:30 pm | #  
 
Os proven wrong again
 
Shocker!
January 15, 2009, 11:56:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well I don't know the truth behind the CNN video controversy, but we did publish a link on Monday that raises questions. The fact that CNN insists it's true, or that the publisher of the video insists it's true, does not mean the video was "proven to be true". It only means that the people who produced it repeat the claim that it is true. That's not "proof", and it's kind of naive to suggest that it is.
 
Again I don't know if it's accurate or not, but Monday's link that challenges CNN to produce the raw footage makes valid points that leave the issue up in the air.
January 16, 2009, 12:00:35 AM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
You are actually accusing the man of lying about the death of his own brother?
 
That's a little low don't you think.
 
Especially when most international news personnel are being restricted from Gaza. How convenient, for those that prefer a single point of view.
January 16, 2009, 12:15:56 AM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 12:01 am | #  
 
If for some reason the link doesn't seem to work for you, here try the tiny, because it works perfectly fine for me!
 
http://tinyurl.com/7xeeen
 
I didn't realize your problem, you are a bit cryptic aren't you?
January 16, 2009, 12:31:40 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The fact that CNN insists it's true, or that the publisher of the video insists it's true, does not mean the video was "proven to be true".  
 
by johnnyThe fact that CNN insists it's true, or that the publisher of the video insists it's true, does not mean the video was "proven to be true". by johnny$ Took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks, Johnny! nbsp;
 
Took the words right out of my mouth. Thanks, Johnny!
January 16, 2009, 12:44:12 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Now I'm not saying that any part of the video was faked either. We just can't know without more data. Enough issues have been raised that it's up to CNN to make the raw footage available.
January 16, 2009, 12:47:53 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bababooey | 01.15.09 - 10:33 pm | #  
 
As predictable as snow in the Sierras!
January 16, 2009, 12:49:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Perhaps your prefer this guy!
 
http://www.pjtv.com/?cmd=page&page-id=110
 
Unfortunately, I don't think he's going down to well.
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BE0rc2aZpc&eurl=
January 16, 2009, 12:50:41 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK let's tback off on the posting of links, especially those that don't relate to cable news. These threads are for discussions, and back and forth dueling links posts just turn people off. Me included.
January 16, 2009, 12:56:19 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Will RM have a passenger named Jeff on tonight's or tomorrow's show? Now that we know they're ambulance chasers, let's find out how good they are at it."
 
Well I did see a passenger named Jeff on tonight. He was on The O'Reilly Factor!
January 16, 2009, 1:00:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
This whole 'Scarborough proves we're (MSNBC) not like FOX' is ludicrous.
 
"We're less about ideology than Fox News," adds the news network’s president Phil Griffin.
 
MSNBC is NOT like FOX in sooooo many ways, and it's not about 'who' or from 'where.' It's about 'what, when and why.'
 
Joe Scarborough criticized the Republican Party and the party's nominee. If MSNBC's primetime line-up of Matthews, Olbermann and Maddow (MOM) ever criticized the Democratic Party or its nominee, I missed it. Though they did pile on Hillary pretty bad during the primaries.
 
FOX News's primetime line-up of O'Reilly, H&C and Greta not only aired criticism of the Republican Party and President Bush, the party's nominee, John McCain, was taken to task early and often by program hosts and their guests.
 
It's not that criticism of soon-to-be-President Obama is not allowed on MSNBC, it's that it's not even considered. THAT is an ideology entirely unto itself.
January 16, 2009, 9:15:59 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
On Vstol's note I'd like to remark that not long Tom Brokaw appeared on Morning Joe and waxed forth on how the Obama election was historic and unique and bipartisan in its optimism and potential for renewal, etc.
 
All characterizations that I argee with wholeheartedly, to one extent or another.
 
But Brokaw used those remarks as preface for a sort of...pep talk for setting parameters on the sort of coverage of the WH that he wished to see from NBC.
 
My husband and I were both watching, and we both understood that Brokaw was telling staff that THEY need to help Obama succeed. It wasn't as overt and clumsy as what Chris Matthews said on the show, but it was essentially the same sentiment.
 
I was dismayed by Brokaw, but my ever cheerful husband was-- "Darlin', you take this too seriously. There are more sources for scrutiny than the networks..."
 
It's interesting that, though he steals from them endlessly, Keith Olbermann has longingly harked back to a time when the news was filtered through the Big Three rather than blogs (and "Fixed Noise").  
 
Frankly, thank God for Fox News (which is balanced) and for blogs from every political perspective.
 
You simply cannot trust the baby boomer media elite who are lost in Camelot.
January 16, 2009, 11:55:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Frankly, thank God for Fox News (which is balanced) and for blogs from every political perspective.
 
You simply cannot trust the baby boomer media elite who are lost in Camelot.
Cecelia | 01.16.09 - 12:00 pm | #  
 
As I have started to watch Fox News more I can see them as Fair and Balanced.  
Except for Fox and Friends I might add  
If I was Fox News the only MSNBC personality I would worry about is Maddow, she is the up and coming star of cable news. As for Olbermann he is just too funnny sometimes not to watch.  
And while I am not a Bill O'Reilly fan I was very impressed with him last night, he does have a side that is appealing. Too bad he does not show it as much.
 
And Cecelia I am sorry to say I am lost in the current Camelot too. I lived in Obama's Senatorial District, you have to meet him, (which I have) to understand the presence this man has, I just hope and pray his is a good as advertised. We all should no matter what side of the ailse you are on.
January 16, 2009, 12:26:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
As I have started to watch Fox News more I can see them as Fair and Balanced.  
 
by baba
 
That right there would get you banned from newshounds, not to mention the personal attacks that it would bring about, too. Good thing you're undercover! 8)
January 16, 2009, 1:28:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Cecelia | 01.16.09 - 12:00 pm |
 
Amen. And those romantics include the dying dinosaurs of print as well (WaPo yesterday)
 
The appearance of success that kind media coverage and PR provide never replaces true success in the long run. Spin only goes so far.
 
The ability to find sources of news and analysis that does not have an over-riding agenda is still available. Thank goodness.
January 16, 2009, 2:06:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.16.09 - 1:33 pm  
 
I know better that say that over there, also I have not posted there in like 2 weeks anyway. But you are right I would get banned, ever though I am a Liberal.  
They need to realize you can watch Fox News and be a liberal, just like you can watch MSNBC as a conservastive.
January 16, 2009, 2:46:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
And Cecelia I am sorry to say I am lost in the current Camelot too. I lived in Obama's Senatorial District, you have to meet him, (which I have) to understand the presence this man has, I just hope and pray his is a good as advertised. We all should no matter what side of the ailse you are on.
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 12:31 pm | #  
 
Bababooey,
 
Sincere comment, but off the mark. It's not about personal feelings, it's about media bias.  
 
For decades, major US news organazations have claimed independence from government, political or corporate influences. They have touted their "sacred duty"in service to the American public to hold our leaders feet to the fire.  
 
Sadly, certain segments of the MSM have abandoned their objectivity. That is nothing new. What IS new is how blatantly and unashamedly they have surrendered any pretense of journalistic standards.
 
Jan 20th will be an historic day in the history of the freeest country the world has ever known.  
 
What will be ignored is, that which is uniquely common to the United States, the peaceful transition of power. That has always been worthy of pride and celebration.
January 16, 2009, 3:42:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 2:51 pm | #  
 
Since you are working undercover all I can do is take your word for it.
January 16, 2009, 3:49:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.16.09 - 3:54 pm | #  
 
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If you are going to say something like that, then show me some proof. Or find a post I have done recently. I wll not sit idly by and be called a spy for no reason.
January 16, 2009, 4:22:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh man, I didn't get from that that OS was calling you a spy! I wouldn't call you that because the thought never entered my mind. But I'll let OS explain himself.
January 16, 2009, 4:25:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 4:27 pm | # 
 
Just like Johnny, I didn't attribute your sentiments to OS nor has the term 'spy' ever come to my mind in that context. So, perhaps you can explan what would define a "spy" either for or against this site and/or the Poopy Pup's site.
January 16, 2009, 4:39:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
What will be ignored is, that which is uniquely common to the United States, the peaceful transition of power. That has always been worthy of pride and celebration.
vstol | 01.16.09 - 3:47 pm 
 
While I can see why you believe there was media bias, I can in a way understand why there was. 
Obama was a fresh face, something new, regardless of the color issue. He is very carismatic, and had a prescence about him. Not to knock McCain but he was from the same old same old Washington, and the media did not draw to him, in a way he was boring to them, Palin did energize the party, but then she went off script and started free lancing. She asked for everything the media gave her, she did not ask for my all the crazy Liberal bloggers said about her. So I do agree that while the media should be fair, it was hard for them not to be drawn to Obama, the media just couldn't help it.
But Vstol I totally agree with the last line that the media will ignore the peaceful transition of power, and that too me is sad.
January 16, 2009, 4:52:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I just think that if you call out os on some of his debates, you are in fact a Newshound lover, which I am not. 
But thanks Johnny and Grammie for the support.
January 16, 2009, 4:55:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 12:31 pm | 
 
I think that is a trait that many great* men share. A couple who is close friends of my son's met when interning in Ronaldus Magnificus's White House. They said he was positively electrifying to just be in a fairly crowdwd room with him to say nothing of a one on one situation.
 
I wish all the best for President Elect Obama when he assumes office. If he is not successful we the people will be the ones to suffer for it first and foremost. I hope that I am wrong in thinking that he is so far left as to be in the same socalist category as Bernie Sanders.
 
I am certain that virtually all the regulars here will treat him and his family with the due preference and respect they are entitled to both by his Office and the common respect due to any person in a civilized society.
 
* By "great" I mean strong powerful leaders whatever their ideology or position.
January 16, 2009, 5:21:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
undercover=different name
January 16, 2009, 5:32:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
So I do agree that while the media should be fair, it was hard for them not to be drawn to Obama, the media just couldn't help it.
But Vstol I totally agree with the last line that the media will ignore the peaceful transition of power, and that too me is sad.
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 4:57 pm | # 
 
To quote Jessica Rabbit, "I'm not bad, I'm just DRAWN that way."

January 16, 2009, 6:02:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
the media will ignore the peaceful transition of power, and that too me is sad.
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 4:57 pm | # 
 
I agree. Bush deserves a huge amount of credit.
January 16, 2009, 7:04:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.16.09 - 7:09 pm | # 
 
I agree he deserves credit for keeping us safe since 9-11.
But what did the goverment led by him do for New Orleans?
But he also deserves some credit for the economy. 
Time will tell How his presidency will be judged.
January 16, 2009, 8:31:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Apparently, you can't read, baba. I said Bush deserves credit for the peaceful transition of power. At least you got your 'katrina' dig in.
January 16, 2009, 9:15:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | 01.16.09 - 9:20 pm 
 
No used to get smart os, but tell me one thing Bush did right about Katrina.
January 16, 2009, 10:18:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
baba, can you prove you haven't posted at newshounds for 2 weeks?
January 16, 2009, 11:29:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Well I don't change my name like you do, how many times have you changed your name to post at the pound "Orange One"
I posted as Anonymous two times, because I did not realize I did not type my name in. And It was well over two weeks ago. 
Why don't you go and try to find it, but don't use the post you posted as Anonymous. Ok socky
January 16, 2009, 11:48:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
No used to get smart os, but tell me one thing Bush did right about Katrina.
Bababooey | 01.16.09 - 10:23 pm | # 
 
No proof os, that a Shocker.
January 16, 2009, 11:49:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
baba, only two posts came up under your name. One was someone on your side calling you a troll and the other was me referring to you. So, you have more than one name. Nice diversion, though.
January 17, 2009, 11:15:23 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Prove that I use more than one name.
January 17, 2009, 1:44:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I already did.
January 17, 2009, 4:19:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
This is the only thing that comes up under "bababooey" at newshounds. Apparently, you use here a nickname that someone over there gave you. Clever. Pretty sad that you are too ashamed to admit or disclose your name over there. Not shocked!

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January 17, 2009, 4:27:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
WOWOWOWOWo
You are telling me that I am too ashamed to use my name over there. Look who is talking, Orange One, Os, anonymous etc. This is the last time I will respond to your comments about who I am. I am in here not to spy but to have a good debate. I posted at newshounds to state a differing of opinion that I had, not to stir the pot like you do. Johnny and Grammie even stated that me being a spy never crossed their mind. We can agree to disagree on this. OS
January 17, 2009, 5:55:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Bush deserves credit for a peaceful transition?
 
Isn't that part of his job description?
 
Or should he bomb a few blue States, just to make a point?
 
Sorry what am I missing, what kind of transition where you expecting?
January 17, 2009, 9:12:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Bababooey | 01.17.09 - 6:00 pm | #
 
I never said you were a spy, baba. Those were your words, not mine. Please show me where I denied being OS or orange one. I admit it which is more than you can do in regards to your newshound name. The reason is obvious why you won't come clean.
January 18, 2009, 12:19:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
How would one "spy" on a blog board when it's open for anyone to read and make comments?
January 18, 2009, 12:37:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Since you are working undercover all I can do is take your word for it.
Olby Sucks | 01.16.09 - 3:54 pm 
 
Working undercover is spy to me os, and show some of the posts I have made at Newshounds.
 
Oh also have you told me anything about what George W. did right about Katrina.
January 18, 2009, 12:57:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Cecelia | 01.18.09 - 12:42 pm | # 
 
You better watch It will be wiretapping all you phones later.
January 18, 2009, 1:05:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Cecelia | 01.18.09 - 12:42 pm | # 
 
Sleeper cell spy.
 
Fake ID, talk the talk, hide real agenda, fit in, play along, cultivate trust, attack your true comrades, defend your true enemies, slowly infiltrate heirarchy, have your true comrades viciously attack you on another forum, never do anything to arouse suspicion and when the time is ripe, surreptitiously plant the EFP in the location that will result in the maximum destruction of the target. After the attack, rush in, help recovery efforts, vow vengeance against the attackers and assume the highest leadership role that remains in the post attack target. 
 
Rinse, repeat, rinse, repeat.
 
VSTOL-Vanguard Spy Team of Liberals
January 18, 2009, 1:25:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sleeper cells?!? This is starting to sound like '24'. Don't worry. We have the best bomb-sniffing dogs on the internet, and they say this site is clear!
January 18, 2009, 1:33:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


SteveMG
Oh also have you told me anything about what George W. did right about Katrina.
 
Not to sidetrack things (sorry J$), but here's a major piece on the Katrina rescue and what went right and what went wrong:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2315076.html?page=1&c=y
 
One point:
The response to Hurricane Katrina was by far the largest--and fastest-rescue effort in U.S. history, with nearly 100,000 emergency personnel arriving on the scene within three days of the storm's landfall.
 
More at the link. Including the failures. It's a even-handed look.
January 18, 2009, 2:24:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
More at the link. Including the failures. It's a even-handed look.
SteveMG | 01.18.09 - 2:29
 
After reading that I can understand that maybe W. did the best he could have done, with the resources he had, 
Thanks SteveMg
January 18, 2009, 2:46:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Steve, thanks for the link. I hadn't seen that and will save it for future reference.
January 19, 2009, 1:49:31 PM EST – Like – Reply