3/3/09 1:21 PM

Dissent? No! Racial Slurs? Si, Podemos!

Updated!

They have a code of conduct for commenters over at the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed mob). It is not designed to weed out dissent--oh no, they welcome opposing points of view:

A comment will be deleted if it is 1) totally irrelevant, 2) relevant, but extremely vulgar, or 3) a copy/pasted article with no relevant comment.
This brings us to an unintentionally hilarious piece authored by Ellen, QB. It deals with a series of racially motivated assaults: the fourth of four suspects entered a guilty plea. The nefarious website, foxnews.com, came under attack from Ellen because their report on the story didn't have enough words:
That was apparently not very newsworthy to FOXNews.com which gave the item a few brief paragraphs. By contrast, CNN.com offered a full report on the horrific spree. Just another example of FOX News' racial insensitivity.
It won't surprise you to learn that Ellen neglected to mention something: the "racially insensitive" article wasn't written by Fox at all. It came straight from the Associated Press and went out to countless websites and newspapers, not just Fox. Why didn't Ellen tell us that? After all, it means that it wasn't Fox who was "racially insensitive"--it was the Associated Press.

With the new hound policy of approving comments before they appear, the dog pound is now free from gutter language and hateful smears, right? Err, not exactly. Ms Brodsky's post--which makes no mention whatsoever of Juan Williams--nonetheless produced this highly relevant comment approved by the newspoodles:
  • Juan Lawn Jockey Williams likely believes that them uppity Negroes had it coming.
So Ellen permits this demeaning racial stereotype just under an article where she (falsely) accuses foxnews.com of "racial insensitivity". As we said, unintentionally hilarious.

But Ellen isn't through yet. She serves up a bizarrely over-the-top rant at O'Reilly and (uh-oh) Juan Williams. And as the comments pour in, they are, by an amazing coincidence, pretty much all in lock-step with Ms Brodsky's screed. Except for this one:
From Ellen's article:  Even worse, Williams seemed to be justifying his workmates' xenophobia. He assailed the Times for identifying as racism the “[There is]real anxiety in white America about the number of immigrants in this country, both legal and illegal.” I wonder if Williams would have identified as racism the “real anxiety” whites in the south felt about the civil rights movement.

From the video, Williams continued: "And then all of a sudden now, they want to make the case that somehow, anybody who has a point of view about expressing that concern is automatically a reprobate and a racist and to be pushed out of decent company."

From a speech by President Obama in Philadelphia last March:  And yet, to wish away the resentments of white Americans, to label them as misguided or even racist, without recognizing they are grounded in legitimate concerns - this too widens the racial divide, and blocks the path to understanding.

There is no question that accusations of racial insensitivity and racism squelch honest debate on real issues that affect the country. President Obama knows this, Juan Williams knows this, Bill O'Reilly knows this.  Sadly, so does Andrew Rosenthal. --vstol
What's this? An opposing view is allowed to be heard? Well, not exactly. There's one problem with this comment: Ellen wouldn't let it through. It didn't appear. It was dumped, nuked, buried. We only know about it because its author resposted it elsewhere (on the unmoderated forum, no doubt wondering how freezing out people who disagree helps foster the free exchange of ideas that the biased bassets believe in so strongly).

So what sort of comments were allowed to be added to the post? You know the answer to that before we tell you:
  • I think Uncle Juan is a sorry piece of s..t.
  • A Fox Noise discussion on racism would not be complete without Juan House Negro Williams. Whatever Massa Bildo spews out, Juan always obediently agrees. There will be some extra bacon fat on his plate tonight at the Fox Noise plantation.
Ellen may fancy herself a mystery writer, but when it comes to encouraging racial slurs, while freezing out dissent, we already know whodunit.

UPDATE: The newspoodles have gone to new lengths to keep their echo chamber free of unacceptable opinions. After we reprinted it here, the comment vstol put in the off-topic thread has been summarily deleted without explanation! Remember, this is supposed to be the hound forum where "you can debate in whatever way you like on whatever subject you like, free of interference from us." That is...as long as you don't disagree with Ellen Brodsky.




Pegleg Peggy
http://www.alternet.org/story/123574/fox_news_is_using_the_obamas_to_perfect_its_racist_attacks_on_black_america
February 3, 2009, 7:19:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Pegleg Peggy | 02.03.09 - 7:24 pm | #  
 
Thanks Peggy for showing us those people on the left who are the true bigots in our society.
February 3, 2009, 8:11:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


~hater
ellen,newshounds... despicable.
February 3, 2009, 8:54:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Criticising any person of color with a (d) after their name makes you a racist to a far left loon.
February 3, 2009, 9:09:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.03.09 - 9:14 pm | #
 
The left is attacking Juan Williams because of the color of his skin. It is despicable.
February 3, 2009, 9:26:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The left is attacking Juan Williams because of the color of his skin. It is despicable.
Ashley | 02.03.09 - 9:31 pm | #  
 
That's a whole nuther story.........aka liberal hypocrisy.
February 3, 2009, 9:51:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Magnificent comment on the OT, vstol!
February 3, 2009, 10:09:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Thanks FF. I tried, unsuccessfully, 3 times to post it on the main "Bill O'Reilly Declares War On The New York Times - Again" comment thread. I'm at a total loss as to why a moderator wouldn't allow it to appear.
 
And now, it's been deleted from the OT Forum. Isn't that something that is really hard to get done?
February 4, 2009, 12:25:47 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
They deleted it from the unmoderated forum?!? That deserves an update to the main post!
 
Incredible.
February 4, 2009, 12:38:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Isn't that something that is really hard to get done?
vstol | 02.04.09 - 12:30 am | #  
 
Proving them (rusehounds) wrong and being total hypocrites gets you banned and all evidence deleted. Nice going, vstol!
February 4, 2009, 1:14:05 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
That forum is moderated, albeit in retrospect. It appears that the mod (who is NOT Ellen) goes in once a day to clean up. Not that I necessarily agree with vstol's comment being deleted.
 
For people here to feign shock and horror that the o/t forum is moderated is disingenuous. Olby Sucks should know all about being deleted from there, from richly deserved experience.
 
Oh, by the way, there's another post on the topic of race on NH today. Run over and look, quick, everybody! Another excuse to flap your arms and squawk about those eeeeeeevul libruls!
February 4, 2009, 4:50:29 AM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Three or four years ago I posted links to here on their OT (does it still say unmoderated?) forum. I asked if they were aware of some factual inconsistencies and every time they got deleted.  
 
Update: I just checked and it no longer says "unmoderated" on their OT. However, it's still the same users posting the same mindless crap as were posting there years ago! Also the Neo-Con quote thread still mentions me, johnny, and OS despite the fact that two out of three of us have probably not posted there in a long long time.  
 
Glad to know NHs still secretly feel the love for J$P (apparently AAP especially).
February 4, 2009, 7:06:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"That forum is moderated, albeit in retrospect."
 
Then why do they claim it's a place to debate without interference from moderators?  
 
"Not that I necessarily agree with vstol's comment being deleted."
 
Do you think you could vague that up a little? I mean, don't go putting yourself out on a limb like that. You know very well vstol's comment was deleted for one reason: it poked a logical hole in Ellen's argument. The same reason it was not permitted on the mains post. If you can't decide whether that's appropriate behavior for a site that claims to "welcome" opposing points of view, then that's pretty spineless.
February 4, 2009, 9:23:09 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, by the way, there's another post on the topic of race on NH today. Run over and look, quick, everybody! Another excuse to flap your arms and squawk about those eeeeeeevul libruls!
 
Pegleg Peggy | 02.04.09 - 4:55 am |  
 
I'm willing to confine my "squawking" to those liberals on NH who call black men what is essentially the N-word.
February 4, 2009, 9:36:58 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
That was a terrific post by Vstol and you'd think Ellen would have the capability and the zeal to respond to someone who is putting forth a thoughtful argument.  
 
To Ellen's point about Juan Williams denouncing attempts to consign all concerns about legal and illegal immigration to bins labeled "racism" or "xenophobia", I do think Williams misspoke.
 
Williams should not have singled out whites.
 
Here is a link to a Pew study of the issue.
 
On this site, you'll see a table that illustrates that concern about immigration in the African-American community closely coincides with concern among Republicans about the issue.
 
http://people-press.org/report/274/americas-immigration-quandary
February 4, 2009, 10:05:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
That forum is moderated, albeit in retrospect. It appears that the mod (who is NOT Ellen) goes in once a day to clean up. Not that I necessarily agree with vstol's comment being deleted.Pegleg Peggy | 02.04.09 - 4:55 am | # =-=
 
NOT Ellen??? I copied the delete message and my response before they went poof:
 
vstol (whose post I just deleted),  
 
As far as I'm concerned, you're an obnoxious troll. The reason your comment did not make it to the mains is either because a) a moderator thought it inappropriate or, more likely, b) because haloscan is having trouble and there's a delay approving a lot of comments.  
 
Either way, the comment is not appropriate here.  
Posted by: Ellen on Tue 2.3 11:39pm  
---------------------------------------
Ellen,
 
Please don't call me a troll, obnoxious maybe, but not a troll.
 
I tried to post my comment three times on the appropriate thread on the mains, therefor, I believe we can eliminate option b). As for option a), I am totally baffled how a moderator could possibly think my comment was "inappropriate," or how you could try to pass that off as a reason my "comment did not make it to the mains."  
 
And deleting a comment (that stated "For reasons unknown," my attempts to post a comment on the mains were unsuccessful) from the OT Forum on a thread about "Comments On The Mains Will Be Moderated" does require a sense of incongruity .
=-=---------=-=
 
Now, correct me if I'm wrong. Couldn't Ellen have just taken my comment from the OT Forum and simply posted it on the mains where it belonged and where I tried 3 times to post it?
 
Does anyone see anything "inappropriate" with my comment that was blocked from the mains, then erased from the OT Forum?
 
It appears that "appropriate" is in the eye of the beholder and not even an Obama quote is allowed if it expresses an opposing view.
February 4, 2009, 10:07:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Um, Ellen's claim that maybe your post didn't go thru because of haloscan is baloney (I'm using a kind word here rather than the one that goes to mind). Haloscan has been sluggish for a couple of days, but it doesn't make comments vanish into the ether. There were delays on the visitor side but every comment goes thru almost immediately into the queue for moderation by the admin. In fact, haloscan's support blog addressed this issue just the other day reminding users that comments NEVER get lost.
 
So Ellen's new version of what happened is not only inconsistent (why did everyone else's comments appear? Why did she delete it from the OT?) but also contradicted by haloscan itself! Your comment was deleted on the main post three times, deliberately, and then again deleted from the OT forum. They really didn't want people to read what you had to say.
 
Cowardly.
 
PS: Her characterizing your polite disagreement as the work of an "obnoxious troll" is despicable. To Ellen a troll is anyone who dares poke a hole in her fractured logic. They want their site to have all the ideological diversity of Radio North Korea. And they're succeeding.
February 4, 2009, 10:17:03 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Can someone tell me quoting Pres. Obama making an identical statement to Juan William's statement, is "inappropriate" (not germane, I assume that means...) when Ellen, herself, brought up William's quote in order to characterize it as destructive?
February 4, 2009, 10:39:07 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
They want their site to have all the ideological diversity of Radio North Korea. And they're succeeding.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 10:22 am | #  
 
Spot on, Johnny. The jack booted thug, ellen, rules the roost.
February 4, 2009, 11:08:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I have to laugh at Ellen when she accuses Fox of not reporting enough of a story. Apparently she doesn't follow any other news organization.
 
Of course she will say that their blog is JUST for Fox News. How simply hypocritical.
February 4, 2009, 11:10:39 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Cecelia,
 
Thanks. Your | 02.04.09 - 10:10 am | # is the type of dialogue I was hoping to stimulate at NH as well as a discussion of media responsibility.
February 4, 2009, 11:23:41 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Spot on, Johnny. The jack booted thug, ellen, rules the roost.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 11:13 am | #  
 
And weren't they the ones that called Bush a Fascist for 8 years?
February 4, 2009, 11:39:19 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well just a few days after we expose the oreilly-sucks website for flat-out lying about what O'Reilly said, Ellen Brodsky puts up a post recommending the website!
 
More proof, as if any more were needed, that Ellen couldn't care less about telling the truth. It's all about the smears.
February 4, 2009, 12:47:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
vstol | 02.04.09 - 10:12 am |  
 
I stand corrected. I thought there was some other team looking after the O/T.
February 4, 2009, 3:34:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"free of unacceptable opinions."
 
Come on Johnny...Fair's fair....I've had numerous posts not appear here.
So your also guilty of not allowing differing opinions. Will this appear?
February 4, 2009, 3:36:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
not even an Obama quote is allowed if it expresses an opposing view.
vstol | 02.04.09 - 10:12 am | #  
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Are you referring to the post with the quote from "mystery man" (Obama) a couple of weeks ago? Did that post get deleted?
February 4, 2009, 3:43:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Haggis, you are lucky to have any posts appear here at all, given your track record. Any time one of your gems doesn't go thru it's for a reason. You'll find those in the rules for commenting. It has nothing to do with your differing opinions.
 
But if you think you are going to derail this with a tu quoque fallacy you are mistaken. The issue here is the newshounds policies of encouraging racial smears and freezing out dissent. Stick to the topic.
February 4, 2009, 3:44:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Pegleg, I believe he is referring to his post with an Obama quote. The one quoted in its entirely in my post. You know, the post these comments are attached to? You did read it, didn't you? I'd be crushed and mortified if you didn't.
February 4, 2009, 3:47:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"newshounds policies of encouraging racial smears"
 
Johnny, you'd be able to find a couple of off colour remarks at every blog...You have no proof of the above statement...I'd imagine.
So instead of going after a few comments over at the NH...Why not turn you attention to the really nasty rasist sites....Such as the NeoNazi/White Supremacy sites
February 4, 2009, 3:55:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
So your also guilty of not allowing differing opinions. Will this appear?
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 3:41 pm | #  
 
THAT statement is such a distortion it is beyond shameful!
 
You know it too, Haggis, but you are such a goddamn sorry excuse for a man that you couldn't care less.
February 4, 2009, 3:58:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Why not turn you attention to the really nasty rasist sites....Such as the NeoNazi/White Supremacy sites"
 
Hagman, are there White Supremacist sites devoted to cable news? You'll have to fill me in on those. You apparently know that market a lot better than I do.
 
"You have no proof of the above statement...I'd imagine."
 
You imagine wrong. NH adopted a policy where no comment appears until it is approved (as is usually the case here). Comments that don't show up obviously send a signal that you're wasting your time writing in that vein. But comments that do show up are clearly approved by the NH staff. Getting the NH seal of approval for a line of commentary means it's a thumbs up to do more of it. That counts as encouragement...I'd imagine.
 
And sure enough, while vstol's completely reasonable and gentlemanly comment doesn't pass NH muster, repeated racial slurs and demeaning stereotypes are routinely approved. Over and over again. It's really quite repellent, but as long as the NH keep encouraging people by publishing this diseased filth, it will keep coming.
February 4, 2009, 4:01:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny, you'd be able to find a couple of off colour remarks at every blog...You have no proof of the above statement...I'd imagine.
So instead of going after a few comments over at the NH...Why not turn you attention to the really nasty rasist sites....Such as the NeoNazi/White Supremacy sites
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 4:00 pm | #  
 
No proof? Do you even bother reading the blog you're commenting upon?
 
There are numerous posts calling Juan Williams racial slurs and they've made past moderation when civil and articulate Vstol has not!
February 4, 2009, 4:04:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
I suppose you'll be going after FoxNews.com next?....for "encouraging racial smears"....As a some of their "approved" comments appear a little racist...Don't you think?  
 
http://crooksandliars.com/2008/03/20/draft-racist-remarks-on-fox-news-website-where-is-oreillys-crack-team-now
February 4, 2009, 4:06:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Those comments were not premoderated. They appeared without moderation and came down if reported or caught by moderators. That's probably why so many parts of the foxnews website now screen comments ahead of time.
 
NH on the other hand approves every comment ahead of its appearance. Someone looked at the comment calling Juan Williams a 'top-tapping black man' and said, fine, that can go thru. Just like a comment calling him an Uncle Tom. Or a lawn jockey. Or a House Negro. Or House Nigga. Every one was screened ahead of time and approved.
 
That's what makes 'encouragement'. Clear now?
February 4, 2009, 4:14:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
People like Haggis and the others from NH don't feel that those comments about Juan Williams are racial slurs. To them, it is perfectly acceptable to make comments against someone because of the color of their skin. That is clearly demonstrated by their acceptance and deliberate posting after moderation of those racial epithets.
February 4, 2009, 4:18:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Yes I did read it. But I hadn't had my coffee yet! So when I read his comment on this thread I thought he was referring back to another post of his at NH a little while ago where he disguised an Obama quote as a quote from "mystery man" to see if anyone would catch it. Asking him if that particular post had been deleted was not a challenge - it is an honest question.  
 
Don't call me spineless (in another post of yours). The reason I qualified my opinion on the post being deleted is that for all I know there could be a backstory to all this given the history between the two sites. There are people who are persona non grata over there due to extremely vile posting in the past, thread hijacking, flaming etc. - and perhaps something happened with vstol that I know nothing about! Please try asking the next time instead of making assumptions about my thought processes and motives.
 
For the record I think vstol's post was very interesting and well put, great food for thought and stimulus for debate. You might recall that a few weeks ago I was here encouraging him to go back and try postng on NH again after some of his comments had been deleted.
February 4, 2009, 4:18:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"Those comments were not premoderated. They appeared and only come down if reported of caught by moderators."
 
But there still there to be read....how ever long they saty up...Offensive racist comments....Going by your analogy FNC.com must endorse them.
Bill tells sites they should moderate everything and absolutely no off colour remarks should appear...Maybe he should look in his own backyard 1st.
February 4, 2009, 4:21:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Pegleg, I apologize for the 'spineless' crack. It was unnecessary (like some of the things you say about me over at NH, but that's neither here nor there!).
 
Vstol's post has nothing to do with the 'history between the two sites'. It has nothing to do with a history of vile posting or flaming, because I've never seen anything from vstol except reasoned discourse. He restrains himself better than I do sometimes!
 
Now that you mention it I do recall your suggestion that he try posting on NH again. I guess we know how that worked out.
February 4, 2009, 4:23:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 4:23 pm |
 
Kindly don't spout what I find acceptable or not....You haven't a clue. Thank you.
February 4, 2009, 4:27:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
It is sad for me to believe that Newshounds would make those racist comments, considering how much they wanted Obama (an African American) elected, as a Democrat it annoys the hell out of me that people who wanted changed revert back to the same old raicst comments. Shame on you Newshounds
February 4, 2009, 4:28:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Kindly don't spout what I find acceptable or not....You haven't a clue. Thank you.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 4:32 pm | #  
 
On the contrary,"Haggy", I think we most definitely have a "clue" as to what you find acceptable.  
 
We have AMBLE example in your willingness to deny the validity of Johnny's charges against NH, and then when verified, in your action of quickly turning away and pointing your finger at another site.
February 4, 2009, 4:33:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Johnny...You allow comments past that severely denigrate MSNBC employees....especially Keith. Maybe you also need to dig out the old mop & bucket.
February 4, 2009, 4:38:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
DId you not undersand when I explained what the topic of this thread is? And yet you deliberately again try to spin it away to something else?
 
I'm not aware that this site has ever permitted racial slurs against anyone to stand unchallenged as the NH do. But this is a Last Warning: stop trying to hijack this thread away from the topic. It's not about me. It's not about Keith. It's about the newshounds, their censoring of dissent, and approval of racial slurs.
February 4, 2009, 4:41:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'll spout some more about what you find acceptable, Haggis.
 
Though no political stand or activity of yours is in any way comparable to the civil rights struggle of the sixties, you find the motto "by any means necessary" as inspiration for your online behavior.
 
You do so because you have little respect or tolerance for views that differ from your own and have cast your own druthers as being for the good of all to the exclusion of any other point of view.
 
That's why the tolerance you've received from Johnny here, despite your admitted lies and distortions, means little to nothing to you.
February 4, 2009, 4:48:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Calling Olbermann or whomever a name is not as bad as what the 'Pound" is calling Juan Williams. Gee Haggis, as a Democrat stop standing up for us you are giving us a bad name.
February 4, 2009, 4:53:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
I'm wondering if NH aren't just exercising freedom of speech...by letting these off colour remarks past....After all you don't have to agree with them.
 
As Voltaire once said...."Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too."
February 4, 2009, 4:59:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Yeah, the same sort of 'freedom of speech' they afforded to vstol.
February 4, 2009, 5:00:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Bababooey | 02.04.09 - 4:58 pm |
 
I never said anything about it being as bad....I was simply telling it like it is.
February 4, 2009, 5:01:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Kindly don't spout what I find acceptable or not....You haven't a clue. Thank you.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 4:32 pm | #  
 
Haggis - you are not correct. The hounds deliberatly post racial slurs against a black man and you say nothing against them, instead you actually try to defend it by saying "you'd be able to find a couple of off colour remarks at every blog..." then you change the subject and point your hostility elsewhere.
 
By the way, NH has allowed far more than a "Couple of off colour remarks" against JW alone on their blog. Since you say these remarks appear on every blog, then you mean they are here on this blog too. Where are they? If you don't answer that with facts (you have years of archives available for your fact-checking), I'll just have to assume your comment is just another in your long line of lies and false smears.
February 4, 2009, 5:05:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:04 pm | #  
 
Another example of Haggis defending the racial slurs on NH.
February 4, 2009, 5:07:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
As Voltaire once said...."Think for yourselves and let others enjoy the privilege to do so, too." 
 
That's funny considering NH is dedicated to telling people what they should think about FNC.
February 4, 2009, 5:09:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Yeah, the same sort of 'freedom of speech' they afforded to vstol.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 5:05 pm | #
 
Let's first excuse was that you were lying about the charges, Johnny. 
 
Second excuse was that other sites do it too. 
 
Now it's that Ellen and company are free speech mavens!
 
What's next? Spiritual possession by Gretchen Carlson?...
February 4, 2009, 5:09:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
LOL! Cece, you are priceless!
February 4, 2009, 5:10:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I never said anything about it being as bad....I was simply telling it like it is.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:06 pm | # 
 
He's simply making false illogical comparisons.
February 4, 2009, 5:10:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Re racism:
 
I will repeat here what I said on the Peterson thread at Newshounds:
If Jesse Lee Peterson is willing to go on air and play right into the hands of white racists by stereotyping "96% of black Americans" as white-haters, then calling him "house negro" is not only appropriate but probably way too polite. He might has well have said, "Watch out, those ooga-boogas are out to get you - and your women too!"
 
This same guy thinks black americans should be grateful that they're in America as the descendents of slaves! Yep, God did it as a favour!:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQQGaXAepOw
 
1:59
 
"[inaudible] has often said that 'thank God for slavery' because, you know, have not been, black, the black would 've been stuck in Africa, and you see how bad Africa... everybody's mama's [?] trying to get out of Africa and come to America and so God has a way to looking out for folks and he made it possible 'by way of slavery', uhh, uhh, to get black folks in to this country."
 
Then he goes on that gee, being sold into slavery by Arabs and Africans was okay because then the white people (god bless the hearts of those slave traders, they were just doing God's will) brought the Africans to America, and well those ships were a tad crowded but gosh, it was no worse that being in a crowded airplane when you don't fly first class...but you're happy when you get to your destination!! 
 
He forgot to say that if black Americans weren't here they'd swinging out of trees and eating bananas over there in the Dark Continent. /sarcasm
 
"I want to thank the white man for bringing us here". JM+J. Uncle Tom anyone? Could it be any plainer??? 

February 4, 2009, 5:10:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, thanks, Johnny, but I mean every word.
 
Trolls are totalitarian to the core!
February 4, 2009, 5:13:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Um, what exactly does Jesse Lee Peterson have to do with the thread? And I want you to know that beyond what you've already posted as an example, I'm not going to permit those sorts of demeaning racial slurs at this site. I don't like 'em, regardless of which devil de jour you want to drag in to apply them to. K?
 
Why is it people have a hard time understanding the topic of a post that I thought was quite clear. It's racial smears directed at Juan Williams, and censorship of opposing points of view, at newshounds. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Jesse Lee Peterson's name never came up until you waved it right now. It's irrelevasnt.
February 4, 2009, 5:13:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Pegleg Peggy,
 
If we simply overlook the fact that this man (who I admittedly have never heard of) just might be doing a Joseph (who, according to scripture, was also sold into slavery and by his own brothers..) by saying (as Joseph said) "what you meant for ill, God turned into good"... we still are left with the question-- What does this guy have to do with Juan Williams?
 
Other than the fact that he's yet another man whose opinions should be ESPECIALLY denigrated and slandered in SPECIFIC ways in YOUR book-- because of the color of his skin!
February 4, 2009, 5:24:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 5:12 pm |
 
I'm not defending anything....was simply throwing in the right to free speech...Doesn't mean I agree with it. Ashley you seem to be still in "with us or against us" mode.
February 4, 2009, 5:24:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Another example of Haggis defending the racial slurs on NH.
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 5:12 pm | # 
 
Of course, he does. Some of them are his!
February 4, 2009, 5:25:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Johnny...You allow comments past that severely denigrate MSNBC employees....especially Keith. Maybe you also need to dig out the old mop & bucket.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 4:43 pm | # 
 
Which is worse, haggy? Bathtub boy or say "house nigga?"
February 4, 2009, 5:29:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Of course, he does. Some of them are his!"
 
Careful now, I don't think you know that for a fact.
February 4, 2009, 5:29:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
An interesting quote from Peg, goes to show the mindset:
 
If Jesse Lee Peterson is willing to go on air and play right into the hands of white racists by stereotyping "96% of black Americans" as white-haters, then calling him "house negro" is not only appropriate but probably way too polite.
 
I don't know who JLP is, but I'm assuming he's black. Regardless, if this quote she attributes to JLP is accurate, it's stupid as far as I'm concerned and any insult I would throw at JLP because of it would be the same regardless of his race. Since it's not likely she would call a white person a "House Negro", Peg seems to be insulting him because of the color of his skin and because of what he said.
 
Bottom line - different standards for black vs. white. She believes that she knows better than a specific black person how black people should behave.
February 4, 2009, 5:34:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
totalitarian to the core!
Cecelia | 02.04.09 - 5:18 pm | #
 
Cecelia, your so right...as usual...I'm personally just outraged that Gordon hasn't given us totalitarianism yet. Fingers crossed he'll pull his finger out and speed us on our merry journey to the promised land. 
 
Once again I appreciate your wise words.
February 4, 2009, 5:34:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Careful now, I don't think you know that for a fact.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 5:34 pm | # 
 
I can't prove it, though there is a reason he won't tell us his name he uses over there. The reason is obvious.
February 4, 2009, 5:37:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 5:34 pm | 
 
Thank you Johnny....But if truth be told OS has just implied I'm a racist with out a shred of evidence...But sadly I've come to expect that from him.
February 4, 2009, 5:39:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm not defending anything....was simply throwing in the right to free speech...Doesn't mean I agree with it. Ashley you seem to be still in "with us or against us" mode.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:29 pm | # 
 
I don't know... but when confronted with these slurs, you then start pointing fingers at others and then start finding excuses for those who pre-moderate posts, RATHER THAN SIMPLY CONDEMNING THE STATEMENTS... it does indeed look as though you are condoning them. 
 
It does look like it's YOU who have the "with us or against us" philosophy, because it seems you'd rather eat a bullet than to agree with us when you know we are indeed right.
February 4, 2009, 5:40:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:29 pm | # 
I'm not defending anything....was simply throwing in the right to free speech...
 
While suggesting to Johnny he ought to condemn Fox News. While telling me I can't write what I have written.
 
Doesn't mean I agree with it. Ashley you seem to be still in "with us or against us" mode.
 
Well, is there a neutral regarding racism? I don't think so. The purpose of this tread is to go after the racism on NH. Are you with us or are you against us? So far, your posts indicate "against us".
February 4, 2009, 5:43:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
he won't tell us his name he uses over there.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 5:42 pm |
 
I'm happy to oblige...HappySmokerUK/HSUK/HaggisFarmer. You'll have to go back a few months...but go for it.
February 4, 2009, 5:44:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Once again I appreciate your wise words.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:39 pm | # 
 
Unfortunately for you, you don't appreciate my wise words, Haggis.
 
As the poet Patrick Kavanaugh put it:
 
"Oh, Alexander Selkirk knew the plight
Of being king and government and nation."
 
You've set up your own tyranny,Troll. Your own likes and dislikes are all the excuse you've ever needed.
February 4, 2009, 5:49:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
By the way Haggy - still waiting for you to back up your claim that there are racists posts here (afterall, you said "you'd be able to find a couple of off colour remarks at every blog...").
February 4, 2009, 5:52:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 5:48 pm |
 
I'm totally against any form of racism...FULL STOP!
What are you going to tell me next. I only supported Obama so I could cover my racist tracks..../Haggis takes a long puff and waits a response.
February 4, 2009, 5:54:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 5:57 pm 
 
That depends on how you define "off colour"...I'm sure you'll tell what I was meaning by it...You seem to know my every thought
February 4, 2009, 5:57:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I'm totally against any form of racism...FULL STOP!
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:59 pm | # 
 
If that is true, then stop defending it. 
 
You talk about Free Speech. Do you also believe in Freedom of the Press?
 
Where are the racist comments on J$P?
February 4, 2009, 5:59:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
That depends on how you define "off colour"...I'm sure you'll tell what I was meaning by it...You seem to know my every thought 
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:02 pm | # 
 
Well, since the topic was racist posts, if you meant something other than racist, why did you change the subject?
February 4, 2009, 6:00:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm totally against any form of racism...FULL STOP!
What are you going to tell me next. I only supported Obama so I could cover my racist tracks..../Haggis takes a long puff and waits a response.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 5:59 pm | # 
 
No, we're telling you that you're willing to find ANY excuse for those who have allowed racial slurs, because you hate the people now condemning them more than you hate racism!
February 4, 2009, 6:03:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:02 pm | #
 
Nice back pedal.
February 4, 2009, 6:06:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"because you hate the people now condemning them more than you hate racism!"
 
Who are these people I hate? and why do I hate them?
February 4, 2009, 6:21:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
No, we're telling you that you're willing to find ANY excuse for those who have allowed racial slurs, because you hate the people now condemning them more than you hate racism!
Cecelia | 02.04.09 - 6:08 pm | # 
 
As Haggy would say, "your analyis is spot on!"
February 4, 2009, 6:21:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
If you don't know who Jesse Lee Peterson is, you should ask Johnny to post Hannity's clips when JLP appears with him.
February 4, 2009, 6:25:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Thanks a lot OS.
February 4, 2009, 6:27:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Interesting to note...as I write this, Haggis has written about 15 posts on this thread on the racism at NH. So far, he's gone after me, J$, JSP, and others, but he hasn't said anything against the racism on NH.
February 4, 2009, 6:30:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Well maybe he has to tread carefully. After all, Ellen is probably reading this and will see everything he writes.
February 4, 2009, 6:33:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Good theory J$. It reminds me of BOR's appearance on Letterman a few years back. Bill asks Letterman the direct question "Do you want us to win in Iraq?". Letterman had that deer in the headlights look and never answered the question, he changed the subject.
February 4, 2009, 6:37:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 6:35 pm 
 
I thought I'd answered that question..."I'm totally against any form of racism...FULL STOP!"
Tally-ho....Try and keep up with the Hounds....as Johnny doesn't like repetition all over the place.
February 4, 2009, 6:40:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I thought I'd answered that question..."I'm totally against any form of racism...FULL STOP!"
Tally-ho....Try and keep up with the Hounds....as Johnny doesn't like repetition all over the place.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:45 pm | # 
 
Nice dodge, but you didn't answer the "question". Your avoidance of making any direct negative comment against NH is a clear indication that you obviously don't think what NH does is racism in any form.
 
But if you want to clear the issue up, do you condemn NH for deliberately allowing numerous racist remarks against Juan Williams to clear their moderation and be posted on the NH web site?
 
Now, where are the racist comments on J$P? You still dodge that question. Don't forget the slur you made against Bret Baier a couple of months back. Are you ever going to back that up?
February 4, 2009, 6:52:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 6:38 pm |
 
The NH ladies must be having hysterical fits of laughter...Wondering who on earth this Haggis chap is....And on a more serious matter....Who is leaking to Johnny.
February 4, 2009, 6:52:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
By the way, it's now 16 posts and Haggis still hasn't said anything against the racism on NH.
February 4, 2009, 6:54:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Try and keep up with the Hounds....HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:45 pm | # 
 
Hmmm, since the tread is about the racism at NH, is Haggy telling me to be more like them?
February 4, 2009, 6:59:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
His 6:57 pm post makes it 17 posts and Haggis still hasn't said anything against the racism on NH.
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 6:59 pm | #
February 4, 2009, 7:00:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
The NH ladies must be having hysterical fits of laughter...Wondering who on earth this Haggis chap is....And on a more serious matter....Who is leaking to Johnny.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:57 pm | # 
 
I'm sure they are enjoying reading post after post reminding them that they intentionally allow racist comments to post on their site while censoring posts that point out that fact.
February 4, 2009, 7:02:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 7:04 pm |
 
That's right....I was trying to turn you...Just check out the meaning of Tally-ho...No further explanation needed.
February 4, 2009, 7:09:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Excuse me, HF. 
 
Evidently you went away and upon your return you asked if you were missed.
 
Speaking only for myself, I hadn't noticed your absence untill your return. What I do miss, almost pine for, is your absence; not because of your opinions or your political philosophy or even your haughty air of superiority. I miss your absence because of your puerile need to obfuscate.
 
The point I was trying to make is the same point Obama made last March in his speech on race relations, the same point Juan Williams made Monday night on the Factor (though it wasn't included in Ellen's NH article). That point is simply this: Hurling accusations of racism stifles honest debate and is used to demonize political opponents.
February 4, 2009, 7:11:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
But if you want to clear the issue up, do you condemn NH for deliberately allowing numerous racist remarks against Juan Williams to clear their moderation and be posted on the NH web site?
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 6:57 pm |
 
The answer is NO...I'll condemn the original posters of the racist remarks wholeheartedly....But I salute NH for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many.
February 4, 2009, 7:14:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
ROFL! Damn, I need a new keyboard now!
 
Haggis praises the "courage" of the newshounds to let their posters make racial slurs. All the while having the "courage" to prevent vstol and others from expressing any 'free speech' there.
 
Up is down. In is out. I know they're in a different time zone, but could it really be 1984 in Scotland?
February 4, 2009, 7:22:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
It's now 18 posts where Haggis says negative things about certain web sites and posters, but completely avoids any commentary about NH. Now he refuses to ask the question
 
Do you condemn NH for deliberately allowing numerous racist remarks against Juan Williams to clear their moderation and be posted on the NH web site?
 
If anyone was to ask me, I would say yes immediately. Why does Haggis avoid this? Is Haggis afraid of answering this?
February 4, 2009, 7:27:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 7:27 pm |
 
Johnny, you're deliberately twisting my words. Doesn't Beck always talk about taking responsibility....As I clearly stated....The original posters have to take responsibility for their words...After all NH didn't write them...They're simple allowing the free flow of free speech.
February 4, 2009, 7:30:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
But I salute NH for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:19 pm | # 
 
BWAAAAA HAAAAAA HAAAAAAA HAAAAA 
 
I guess then that Haggis condemns Pegleg Peg for her earlier comment referring to a black man as a "house negro". I'm reminded of his silence about NH censoring the posts which point out their intentional allowing 
 
Haggis, NH may be many things, but true supporters of free speech they are not!
 
(disregard the approx 7:28 PM post I made about Haggis avoiding the question, his absurd 7:19 post had shown yet when I clicked "publish".)
February 4, 2009, 7:35:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Up is down. In is out. I know they're in a different time zone, but could it really be 1984 in Scotland?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 7:27 pm | # 
 
There was a great show on BBC recently, called Torchwood, a spinoff of Doctor Who. In that show, there was a dimensional rift in Cardiff where strange things would come through to our dimension. Perhaps its all based on a true story, except the location was moved South a few hundred miles.
February 4, 2009, 7:37:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"All the while having the "courage" to prevent vstol and others from expressing any 'free speech' there."
 
Johnny, contrary to what you think....I know nothing about the back room goings on within NH. So I have no way of knowing the past history vstol may have with them...Unlike OS I don't speculate....I stick to the facts.
February 4, 2009, 7:40:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"but could it really be 1984 in Scotland?"
 
Johnny, your making no sense....I'm talking about free speech....and your talking about 1984. OK we do have big screens on match days....But so do you.
February 4, 2009, 7:46:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I'll condemn the original posters of the racist remarks wholeheartedly....But I salute NH for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:19 pm | # 
 
Haggis - two questions for you.
 
Question One.
Do you concemn Pegleg Peggy wholeheartedly for her racist comments she made earlier; referring to a black man as a "house negro"?
 
Question Two.
Do you salute those white supremicist/nazi web sites you mentioned earlier for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many?
February 4, 2009, 8:03:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I don't speculate....I stick to the facts.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:45 pm | # 
 
If I ever go back to school for another graduate degree, I'll do my thesis on the absurdity of that statement.
February 4, 2009, 8:20:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Question One. I need the context.
 
Question Two. It's highly offensive...But I'm assuming it's legal under American laws....Otherwise they'd be shut down. We have the same here....Just check out the National Front site. Freedom of speech is a bitch.
February 4, 2009, 8:27:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
The answer is NO...I'll condemn the original posters of the racist remarks wholeheartedly....But I salute NH for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:19 pm | # 
 
Since he's fully aware that a system of pre-moderation means that some speech is censored and he's often avowed that HIS OWN speech has been censored at NH's, it's either that he'd cut off his toes one-by-one rather agree with us OR it's that he's dumb as a shoe.
 
Actually, it's both, folks.
 
He hates US more than he loves ANY principle in the world AND he's dumb as a shoe.
February 4, 2009, 8:48:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Question One. I need the context.
 
Question Two. It's highly offensive...But I'm assuming it's legal under American laws....Otherwise they'd be shut down. We have the same here....Just check out the National Front site. Freedom of speech is a bitch.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 8:32 pm | # 
 
Nice dodge. Regarding your response to one, read her post. Couldn't you do that before? Regarding your response to two, nice story, but you didn't answer the question.
February 4, 2009, 8:51:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Question Two. It's highly offensive...But I'm assuming it's legal under American laws....Otherwise they'd be shut down. We have the same here....Just check out the National Front site. Freedom of speech is a bitch.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 8:32 pm | # 
 
--------------------------------------------
Speaking only for myself, I hadn't noticed your absence untill your return. What I do miss, almost pine for, is your absence; not because of your opinions or your political philosophy or even your haughty air of superiority. I miss your absence because of your puerile need to obfuscate.
 
vstol | 02.04.09 - 7:16 pm | #
 
Thank you, vstol. 
 
At the least he serves as the most startlingly clear example of what his sort of bias costs.
February 4, 2009, 8:57:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Pegleg, who was complaining because I used the term spineless to describe one of her responses (my apology to her is above) is back at Hound Central attacking me. She wants to know why I wasn't in VietNam! Hey Peggy, why is that your business? How do you know I wasn't? Why the ad hominem attack? And do you always do it behind people's backs instead of to their (cyber) face?
 
Just askin'.
February 4, 2009, 8:59:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
She's pathetic John.
February 4, 2009, 9:10:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Just askin'.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 9:04 pm | # 
 
Because it's all she has.
February 4, 2009, 9:19:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Other than the fact that he's yet another man whose opinions should be ESPECIALLY denigrated and slandered in SPECIFIC ways in YOUR book-- because of the color of his skin!
Cecelia | 02.04.09 - 5:29 pm | # 
---------
History is not color blind, and whatever some like to think, we are not self-made. Peterson (and Williams) stood on the shoulders of those who sufferred and died before him and is now giving the glory to the slave-masters. The man is in the position he is because of the struggles and deaths of many before him. If not for them he'd be at the back of the bus. Yet while paying lip service to the pain his ancestors endured in the United States he says "Gee, its all good, cuz I've got mine!!!" and "Thank you, Massas of the past!! " 
 
Finally - (as Joseph said) "what you meant for ill, God turned into good"... 
That is for God to judge, not us. If we go down that road, then good and evil disappear, because then we can always say that God is using our evil acts, no matter how terrible and depraved, for good purposes. What you are talking about is "moral luck" - that the ends justify the means. Only God can make that judgement, not humans, and it is a judgement made at the end of time. Think about the Golden Rule. It seems to me that trafficking in slaves violates that, wouldn't you agree?
 
Lastly - J$ - I reckon that this falls under the general topic of "racism at Newshounds" which has been a general theme here lately, not "racism about Juan Williams" which has never been specified, although posts about JW are what touched the theme off.
 
good night,

Edited By Siteowner
February 4, 2009, 9:27:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Good night"??? Aren't you going to tell me why you are making ad hominem attacks on me behind my back, and then come over here and pretend to be a civil commenter? What is your real purpose and why the fixation about what I was doing 40 years ago? Here I am. You can talk to me directly instead of attacking me behind my back.
February 4, 2009, 9:32:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"read her post. Couldn't you do that before?"
 
I don't know where this comment was made...I'm assuming it's not on this site...As Johnny doesn't allow any form of racist comments...But if the comment is here...I'm then assuming Johnny doesn't find the comment offensive...as he's letting it stand.
February 4, 2009, 9:32:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Pegleg, who was complaining because I used the term spineless to describe one of her responses (my apology to her is above) is back at Hound Central attacking me. She wants to know why I wasn't in VietNam! Hey Peggy, why is that your business? How do you know I wasn't? Why the ad hominem attack? And do you always do it behind people's backs instead of to their (cyber) face?
 
Just askin'.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 9:04 pm | # 
-----------------
 
Here it is to your face. Boy, you sure do scour the NH site, mains and o/t!
Anyways, I was just askin' !
 
And thanks for the apology, which is appreciated. I agree that name-calling is not the way to go, but there are blackened pots and kettles all around, eh?
 
Having said that, I will remind myself in future that name-calling is not character-building nor conducive to rational discussion. I presume you will do the same. 
 
If the question of your service or lack thereof is irrelevant then I will not pursue it here. It was a natural question to pose on the NH O/T thread where I made my comment, given the year that was mentioned in someone else's post. I am guessing by various things you have said here in the past that you are close to my age, so that question sprang to mind given that a lot of guys I knew were there at the time.
 
But of course, you can answer it here if you want -- oh SORRY, off-topic! - except you DID bring it up!
 
Enuf already! G'nite!
February 4, 2009, 9:46:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"I'm then assuming Johnny doesn't find the comment offensive...as he's letting it stand."
 
You really are looking for another vacation aren't you? Don't you go lying about what I said and what I did when the evidence is right on this page. Your crap "assuming" is just cover for you to smear me, and you had better correct that assumption.
February 4, 2009, 9:46:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Funny...only a short time ago I seem to remember folk here defending Rush for using the term "magic negro"....But all of a sudden the term "negro" is offensive....I'll happily be corrected if I'm wrong over this.
February 4, 2009, 9:47:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"It was a natural question to pose on the NH O/T thread where I made my comment, "
 
Really? Why? What exactly does it have to do with anything? Please enlighten me. I want to know why you think it's relevant, which is another way of saying what business is it of yours?
February 4, 2009, 9:49:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
She's pathetic John.
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 9:15 pm | # 
 
Because it's all she has.
Cecelia | 02.04.09 - 9:24 pm | # 
 
----------
 
Oh my...intruding on your turf, ladies?! ROFL! 

February 4, 2009, 9:49:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
But I salute NH for having the courage to allow free speech...even though it's offensive to many.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:19 pm | # 
 
Newsflash! The hounds don't allow free speech. Well, not from the conservative side. If you hate Fox News you can say ANYTHING you like.
February 4, 2009, 9:50:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"You really are looking for another vacation aren't you? "
 
No...and I wasn't trying to smear you
February 4, 2009, 9:52:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Johnny, contrary to what you think....I know nothing about the back room goings on within NH. So I have no way of knowing the past history vstol may have with them...Unlike OS I don't speculate....I stick to the facts.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:45 pm | # 
 
Well HF, this should be interesting.
 
Just what are the facts, as you know them, that are relevant to the topic at hand? How is my "past history" at NH relevant to the topic at hand. How does the blatant hypocricy of racist comments on a NH article about the evils of racism escape your discerning gaze?
February 4, 2009, 9:55:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The NH ladies must be having hysterical fits of laughter...Wondering who on earth this Haggis chap is....And on a more serious matter....Who is leaking to Johnny.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 6:57 pm | # 
 
FOX IS IN THE TANK FOR MCCAIN!!!
 
H/T Haggis Farmer for the heads up
 
by prissy
February 4, 2009, 10:01:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, course, trafficking in slaves is evil, Peg. There's no doubt about that (although Haggis might defend it on the basis that it was legal at the time...) 
 
However, it's not up to God to judge whether or not he, himself, has used evil for good in our lives. It's up to us to glean from our experiences the unfathomable good that is God's.
 
It's not YOUR place to tell people what they should hold as a sacred pearl, based upon their race, any more than it's your place to levy insults at others based upon race.
 
I have no idea about this guy, Jesse Lee Peterson, but if you're using him as some sort of uber "house negro" (your words) comparison to Juan Williams, I certainly can speak on this.
 
It was not to respect YOUR sensibilities that ANY civil rights pioneer suffered the indignities of racism. It was not to concur with a preset standard of opinions or politics, that caused MLK or Rosa Parks to buck the established system.
 
It was to allow the children of slaves to be someone that transcended color. The way whites are not just allowed it, but ASSUMED it. They strove to be allowed the freedom to be someone undefined and undetermined by pigment and undefined and undetermined by you or by me.
 
That's the ONLY legacy they owe their forefathers and mothers. That's the only legacy that's meaningful and lasting. 
 
And that IS the only legacy that was desired, sought, and dearly paid for by those who came before.
February 4, 2009, 10:04:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Olby Sucks | 02.04.09 - 6:30 pm | #
 
Thanks a lot OS.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 6:32 pm | # 
 
LOL! Who was it, Johnny? Patsy?
February 4, 2009, 10:05:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh my...intruding on your turf, ladies?! ROFL!
 
Pegleg Peggy | 02.04.09 - 9:54 pm | # 
 
On the contrary. You went off to diss Johnny on yours
February 4, 2009, 10:08:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I read some of the nasty things you wrote about J$ on NHs too Pegleg. Not just recently, but in the past as well. It isn't the first time you've gotten personal with johnny over there with no ability for him to defend himself due to the serial-lie coverup mods.
February 4, 2009, 10:09:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Cece, you know you're one of my fave commenters. But do I recall correctly you once saying to Pegleg that her comments here are a great addition because she is so level-headed and without personal animus, or something like that?
 
Well, howz that workin' out?
February 4, 2009, 10:13:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm disappointed, Johnny. But hey, I'm a giver. It's not in me to take...
 
(BTW--you know you love me best!)
February 4, 2009, 10:16:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
"I'll spout some more about what you find acceptable, Haggis.
 
Though no political stand or activity of yours is in any way comparable to the civil rights struggle of the sixties, you find the motto "by any means necessary" as inspiration for your online behavior.
 
You do so because you have little respect or tolerance for views that differ from your own and have cast your own druthers as being for the good of all to the exclusion of any other point of view.
 
That's why the tolerance you've received from Johnny here, despite your admitted lies and distortions, means little to nothing to you.
Cecelia | 02.04.09 - 4:53 pm | # "
 
Well said, Cecelia!
 
I must be getting old b/c lately I don't have the spunk to engage the Haggards of this world but content myself mainly being a spectaor.
 
Anybody know where I can get some geritol?
February 4, 2009, 10:18:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 10:18 pm | #
 
Cece, you can forgive me now for appreciating Haggis's input.
February 4, 2009, 10:22:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Funny...only a short time ago I seem to remember folk here defending Rush for using the term "magic negro"....But all of a sudden the term "negro" is offensive....I'll happily be corrected if I'm wrong over this.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 9:52 pm | # 
 
Well, that subject has been about done to death Haggis. If you can't remember the details because it was discussed so many days ago, then I'm sure some here will be glad to refresh your memory. By the way, there is a big difference between "negro" and "house negro". I hope you can summon the grey matter and figure that one out.
 
So, are saluting those white supremicist websites like you do all website who promote free speech, no matter how offensive they are?
February 4, 2009, 10:31:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I read some of the nasty things you wrote about J$ on NHs too Pegleg. Not just recently, but in the past as well. It isn't the first time you've gotten personal with johnny over there with no ability for him to defend himself due to the serial-lie coverup mods.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 10:14 pm | # 
 
If that is true, and I have to take your word for it, then it's rather hypocritical of her to complain about J$ making similar comments, especially since he only did it once and apologized soon afterwards.
 
FF, don't get me wrong, in no way do I think you are wrong, I just can't verify the info for myself. I wouldn't go to the NH site these days unless I had a Pentagon quality anti-virus program on my computer and I was wearing a full sized body condom.
February 4, 2009, 10:39:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I wouldn't go to the NH site these days unless I had a Pentagon quality anti-virus program on my computer and I was wearing a full sized body condom.
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 10:44 pm | # 
 
You can have some of mine, though I use them the regular way.
February 4, 2009, 11:07:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Mission accomplished, Johnny. The rusehounds have let 2 dissenting opinions through. In one day!
February 5, 2009, 12:56:47 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Alert the media!
 
Now, are the dissenting opinions ones that point out flaws or errors on the part of the newshounds, or just people arguing politics? The latter sort are much more likely to make it past the Brodsky Firewall.
February 5, 2009, 12:57:50 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Latter.
 
"Brodsky firewall" LOL!
 
I made 2 posts on topic. No go. Shocker! Must be that damned holoscan as ellen said.
February 5, 2009, 1:07:22 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Jack Bauer and Chloe together can't breach that firewall!
February 5, 2009, 1:13:49 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Cece, you can forgive me now for appreciating Haggis's input.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 02.04.09 - 10:27 pm | # 
 
No. 
 
I made my statement to Peggy before I knew her.
 
You took your stand on Haggis after you knew what he is, and because you identify with what he is.
February 5, 2009, 1:56:43 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"I made my statement to Peggy before I knew her"
 
Much the same as Bush did with Putin then....Best to know the facts before making statements. 
 
"You took your stand on Haggis after you knew what he is,and because you identify with what he is "
 
Why the hate?....Can't folk with different views get on?.....Tell me something Cecelia....Do you hate all people that think differently to you...Or is it just me.
February 5, 2009, 1:55:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Johnny, contrary to what you think....I know nothing about the back room goings on within NH. So I have no way of knowing the past history vstol may have with them...Unlike OS I don't speculate....I stick to the facts.
HaggisFarmer | 02.04.09 - 7:45 pm | # 
 
Well HF, this should be interesting.
 
Just what are the facts, as you know them, that are relevant to the topic at hand? How is my "past history" at NH relevant to the topic at hand. How does the blatant hypocricy of racist comments on a NH article about the evils of racism escape your discerning gaze?
vstol | 02.04.09 - 10:00 pm | #
February 5, 2009, 2:57:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
HaggisFarmer | 02.05.09 - 2:00 pm | # 
 
If J$ will allow me to add my 2¢ on this, I could be wrong, but I think her view on you is like mine. Not hate, just disgust over you being relentless in making phony smears, routinely failing to back up your claims with any fact, and just the fact of you being extremely truth-challenged.
February 5, 2009, 2:59:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Why the hate?....Can't folk with different views get on?.....Tell me something Cecelia....Do you hate all people that think differently to you...Or is it just me.
HaggisFarmer | 02.05.09 - 2:00 pm | # 
 
I don't "hate" anyone.
 
I strongly dislike people who are so intellectually dishonest as to ask such a loaded question in order to imply something about someone that they know is not true.
 
That would be you.
February 5, 2009, 5:03:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
THAT and more, Ashley.
February 5, 2009, 5:04:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Peg
wearing a full sized body condom.
Ashley | 02.04.09 - 10:44 pm | # 
-----------
 
I'll bet you look really fetching in that --oh, and thanks for offering to use protection! We wouldn't want to catch anything! 
kissy,
February 5, 2009, 5:55:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Yes Peg, we wouldn't want my extremely high intellect, quick wit, pleasant personality, or extreme sense of modesty to rub off on you.
February 5, 2009, 6:13:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Anybody know where I can get some geritol?
Grammie | 02.04.09 - 10:23 pm | # 
 
Grammie, perhaps the Goose martinis are in order for getting you back into the useless swing of time-wasting internet commenting. (although the company on this site is the best!)
 
Please try them. I miss how you used to kick up your heels and kick everyone's butt.
February 5, 2009, 6:37:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'm all for a Newscorp bailout if it comes in a brown bag that goes tick....tick.....tick!
expatUSA_Durango | 02.05.09 - 9:05 pm | # 
 
The rusehounds are such nice folk! Open minded, too, aren't they :?:
February 6, 2009, 12:28:23 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 12:33 am | #
 
That's right OS.
 
When they can't compete, they want to destroy. Like that wonderful liberal Mike Malloy the other day, calling for the execution of everyone GOP. He did it on his radio show. 
 
Was there a word from anyone from the left about "hate speech"? No?? Shocker! ™OS
February 6, 2009, 12:59:23 AM EST – Like – Reply