3/3/09 1:21 PM

Friday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Thursday's numbers:
O'Reilly grabs 3.8 million viewers.

Red Eye turns two.

Video: Bret Baier on ET.

MSNBC reverts to type.

FNC ratings surge: the chart, the reasons.

O'Reilly "sick", Laura subs tonight.

Russell vs O'Reilly: part deux.

FBN launching webcast.

Rick Folbaum comes home.

Audio: Chris Wallace on interviewing Obama.

MSNBC skips Obama for Olby rant. The cheese stands alone.

A day with Glenn Beck.

Immelt's other job; cap his salary?

Glick's tips.

Hotline after dark.

Vote: Robin v Foreman.

Profiles: Carville, Kasich. Q&A: Willie Geist.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




HaggisFarmer
"MSNBC skips Obama speech for Olby rant."
 
MSNBC obviously got it wrong...I can't defend that....But I'm sure some will say I'm really secretly defending them.  
Nice to see a left leaning blog showing their disapproval....Can't imagine you'd have seen the same disapproval over on the Right Wing blogs if FNC hadn't shown it.
February 6, 2009, 9:33:33 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Can't imagine you'd have seen the same disapproval over on the Right Wing blogs if FNC hadn't shown it.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 9:38 am | #  
 
I agree with you Haggis, I can't imagine it either! Like you, I just can't imagine RW blogs ever having to do it in the first place because, as we all know, FNC is respectful of the President. As far as MSNBC, it's been demonstrated so many times how its cast of schoolbully thugs who anchor a number of its shows, clearly illustrate the sheer disrespect that it has for the Office of the President.
 
Good thing that more and more of the American Viewing Public are recognizing this, as evidenced by the growing ratings of FNC (the #1 Cable News Network) and the declining ratings of its competition.
February 6, 2009, 10:11:11 AM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Olbermann or Obama?
 
Both rants where not worth the coverage.
 
Olbermann's screed ignored the fact that there is a real and substanitive difference of opinion over POLICY (most polls show the American people split 50/50 about closing GITMO and stopping the military trials) and that any negative results that occur because of the 180 degree change in tactics with regards to our national security will be the sole responsibility of the current administration.
 
Cheney was right.
 
Obama's boilerplate speech (I tohught we were back in Iowa, 2007) was partisan, alarmist, and not Presidential. It was only Red meat for the base, as they await their payback in government spending. This all will not help the economy one iota.
February 6, 2009, 10:14:58 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Nice to see a left leaning blog showing their disapproval...
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 9:38 am | #  
 
By the way Haggy, as you try to convince yourself that left wings blogs = fair, right wing = not fair, did your "spot on analysis" of this indicate to you that this was only one poster on one blog (not the whole blog) who was complaining about MSNBC?????
February 6, 2009, 10:23:42 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"clearly illustrate the sheer disrespect that it has for the Office of the President."
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 10:16 am |
 
But on the other hand....You say MSNBC are "in the tank" for Obama....What is it? Your sending confusing messages here.
February 6, 2009, 10:24:18 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
OR were MSNBC just being very astute here and looking forward at what may be coming down the line?
 
"Broadcasters are bracing themselves for the likelihood of three prime-time interruptions in three weeks, totaling at least three hours of prime time -- and ad breaks -- yanked"
 
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/02/05/AR2009020503599.html
February 6, 2009, 10:34:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Good article, Haggis.
 
"Such a strategy, of course, could backfire."
 
The celebrity President is perhaps starting to hit some bored, fickle "consumers" who have come off the high of the inaugural and he may need to rethink his media plans. The polls may start showing this problem.
 
Wanting the limelight for one's partisan political agenda is a common yearning for people like Olbermann and Obama. The MSNBC brass had a VERY tough decision to make last night and there seems to be more like it in the future. So many celebrities!
 
VERO POSSUMUS!
February 6, 2009, 11:09:13 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
But on the other hand....You say MSNBC are "in the tank" for Obama....What is it? Your sending confusing messages here.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 10:29 am | #  
 
Oh they are Haggy, but perhaps last night they wanted to protect him, by show the world what they perceived would be an example of him making a fool out of himself. Afterall, the stimulus plan he's talking about is becoming more and more unpopular. Last survey I heard about, I believe Rasmussen, had less than 50% of the American public wanting to have that package approved.
 
But why am I trying to convince you. You already believe that MSNBC made a mistake with their performance yesterday. Good for you.
February 6, 2009, 11:12:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ana
i agree, MSNBC has proved itself Biased - this doesnt ameliate fox from the same thing albeit on the other side, but MSNBC should have carried the president's speech and not Olberman's self aggrandizing in which its more about hearing himself speak than actually finding solutions for the situation we find ourselves.
 
just my take tho
 
hi johnny - glad to see your blog thriving and see you still in the game after all these years
 
best
....Ana
February 6, 2009, 11:28:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Nice to hear from you Ana. See you have been elevated to 'guest blogger' over there. I had a minor bone to pick with something but I decided it was minor enough to let it pass to give you a chance to get your sea legs over there. Good luck.
February 6, 2009, 11:37:26 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ana
ty Johnny,
 
we'll never always agree - but i'll always try to be fair
February 6, 2009, 11:51:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ana
btw johnny - pick away - im not afraid of criticism. besides it can only make me better.
 
just forgive my bad writing and grammer - certainly not my strong point
February 6, 2009, 11:53:17 AM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"but perhaps last night they wanted to protect him"
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 11:17 am |
 
More very woolly analysis from Ashley....Next he'll be telling us FNC foiled their dastardly plot by torturing a low level employee...So gaining vital intelligence...at the last minute of course....on when and where Obama would be holding this speech.
February 6, 2009, 12:15:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
More very woolly analysis from Ashley....HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 12:20 pm | #  
 
Haggy - I just think that it is so cute that you copy my material. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery!
February 6, 2009, 12:21:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
More very woolly analysis from Ashley....HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 12:20 pm | #  
 
Sad that your analysis missed the placement of the word "perhaps". Thus making the statement speculation rather than analysis.
 
You know what speculation is, right? It's the thing you do, then claim you don't do, then you do again.
February 6, 2009, 12:24:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
That trio of screenshots "the cheese stands alone" is a classic!
February 6, 2009, 2:13:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
J$ - thanks for the link about the FNC ratings surge. FNC up in the demo over 20%, and MSNBC (as expected) down. The ratings increase clearly indicates what is "the place the world turns for real fair and balanced news....I'll not say another word Johnny."
February 6, 2009, 2:17:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Good article about Alexis Glick article. I was surprised to read that Erin Burnette from CNBC actually wrote an article entitled "8 Ways to Impress Me". I hear that her next article may be titled "I am the Center of the Universe".
 
Pretty soon Alexis Glick will have them saying "Erin who?".
February 6, 2009, 2:21:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I missed Keithy last night, I was just catching the reviews on OW. Did Mr. Czechoslovakia actually do the repeatedly saying "Dick Cheney" emphasising the first name bit again?
 
Dick jokes?
 
MSNBC - no wonder why they are going down in the ratings.
 
K "C" O - nothing more than a dick joke.
February 6, 2009, 2:28:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 2:26 pm | #  
 
Ashley,
Erin Burnett's article was tongue in cheek, and I highly doubt that Alexis Glick will ever say Erin who.
Erin is the gold standard when It comes to financial news.
February 6, 2009, 2:34:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 2:33 pm | #  
 
But Ashley in all honesty Cheney's first name does fit him, as Jon Stewart says he was the Darth Vader of the White House. and most of America agrees, Bush listened to Cheney way too much, hence the War In Iraq, which has shown to be a huge mistake,
And that is not just me saying look at any polls and they will all say the same.
February 6, 2009, 2:38:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Erin is the gold standard when It comes to financial news.
Bababooey | 02.06.09 - 2:39 pm | #  
 
Maybe that is so, but definitely not for much longer.
February 6, 2009, 3:16:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 3:21 pm | #  
 
Ashley, while I respect your opinion I just cannot see how FBC will ever pass CNBC, established viewers, like myself have just grown to trust CNBC, Kramer is a different matter, and his show is only his opinion and not the networks.
Hopefully your dislike for CNBC is not due the obvious dislike you have for MSNBC and Olbermann. I occasionally do watch FBC just to see what they are saying and usually switch back. But I do hope for your case that FBC gives you the financial advice you need.
February 6, 2009, 3:40:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Lurker
Tell me how Erin is the Gold standard in financial news... lol
February 6, 2009, 3:41:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
K "C" O - nothing more than a dick joke.
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 2:33 pm | #  
 
One of countless reasons he can't be taken seriously.
February 6, 2009, 3:52:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Tell me how Erin is the Gold standard in financial news... lol
Lurker | 02.06.09 - 3:46 pm | #  
 
She's like Nora O'Donald. Burnett hasn't succumbed to the temptations inherent in a profession full of spray-tanned bottle blondes.
 
She's a Celt and looks like one!
February 6, 2009, 4:49:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Ashley, while I respect your opinion I just cannot see how FBC will ever pass CNBC,  
Bababooey | 02.06.09 - 3:45 pm | #  
 
I bet lots and lots of people were saying in 1996/1997 - "I just cannot see how FNC will ever pass CNN."
 
Today, there seem to be many instances where FNC's ratings exceed CNN and MSNBC combined (which is certainly understandable, considering the quality and fair & balanced nature of the network!).
February 6, 2009, 4:57:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
She's a Celt and looks like one!
Cecelia | 02.06.09 - 4:54 pm | #  
 
and a good looking one at that!
February 6, 2009, 4:58:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Cecelia | 02.06.09 - 4:54 pm | #  
 
I could say the same about Gretchen Carlson and Courtney Friel, untalented newspeople who get by on looks and thats it.
February 6, 2009, 5:18:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 5:02 pm | #  
 
But when there is big news like election night and Obama's swearing in, CNN does beat Fox News.
February 6, 2009, 5:20:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
CNBC – 197,000 viewers Prime Time
 
FBN wouldn't exactly need a "miracle" to top those numbers. 8)
February 6, 2009, 5:35:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Aeris Gainsborough
MSNBC, Fair and Balanced:
 
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2009/2/6/143012/2906/499/694106
 
'nuff said...
February 6, 2009, 5:44:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Just back from the pub and I thought this needed drawing to folks attention.
 
I noticed last week that Johnny had a nice prominent link to the ThinkProgress report about how GOP lawmakers outnumbered Dem lawmakers on cable news....I was surprised at the time...But it appeared FNC were slightly more balanced than the others.  
ThinkProgress have done the same thing this week...But no prominent link on Johnny's front page....I wonder why.
 
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/02/06/senate-cable-stimulus-debate/
 
Last weeks results must have been rogue results...a one in a million chance. FNC have certainly shown their true colours this week.
February 6, 2009, 6:03:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
What kind of a loon would claim msdnc to be fair and balanced using kos as a source?
February 6, 2009, 6:09:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Answer: An Olbyloon!
February 6, 2009, 6:10:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Actually Haggis, Aeris posted the link before I had a chance to. Did you not notice it? It's all of one comment above yours. Too bad you wasted your link quota for today!
February 6, 2009, 6:18:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:23 pm |
 
I noticed it after I hit "published"
Are you going to post a link on the front page...like last week....So everyone can see MSNBC were the fairest...just wondering.
February 6, 2009, 6:21:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No.
February 6, 2009, 6:25:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:14 pm |
 
The report was from the same source as last week...You didn't complain when Johnny used it to show FNC were fairest then. So what do you have to say about that....probably nonsense but I'll take the chance
February 6, 2009, 6:26:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
No.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:30 pm |
 
Well that's very disappointing...But not to worry....Keith will surly spread the word far and wide on tonight's show...While Bill's stand-in plays dumb on the matter.
February 6, 2009, 6:38:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Why is it disappointing? Do you really consider it "news"?
February 6, 2009, 6:40:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:45 pm |
 
You obviously thought it news last week...So why not this week?
February 6, 2009, 6:46:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
I await your response.
vstol | 02.06.09 - 1:17 pm | #
February 6, 2009, 6:51:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny,
 
The piece on Russell Simmons and O'Reilly, does the usual job of trying to simultaneously characterize O'Reilly as both cynical audience pandering mercenary businessman AND fanatical kook.
 
This sort of contradictory characterization is not without some sense and logic and that's what makes it especially interesting.  
 
It's interesting that in the music medium of hip-hop, a genre that has mass marketed alienation, violence, obscenity, and sexism to middle-class kids of all races, it's BILL's criticism that is both cynically motivated and conversely fanatically ideological and extremist.
February 6, 2009, 6:54:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:14 pm | #  
 
The same person who would post a comment from Drudge that says Fox is Fair and Balanced
February 6, 2009, 6:57:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"You obviously thought it news last week...So why not this week?"
 
Oh I can give you a few reasons.
 
First of all, any time there's a role reversal, a man bites dog sort of thing, it's more newsworthy. TP praising FNC falls into that category. That gets it a link. Just like when I linked Greta defending MSNBC. Role reversal = newsworthy. Did I make that clear enough.
 
On its own merits, without that interesting hook, TP is a source I avoid wherever possible. They are dishonest, thoroughly discredited, and clearly not a news source but rather a talking points factory for a partisan political operation. I've caught them enough times to know not to trust them.
 
Beyond that is the claim that this proves MSNBC is the 'fairest'. Actually it proves no such thing. It proves their guest lineup was the only one that tilted toward Democrats. But even that info is incomplete. Why was their guest lineup so tilted? Could it have something to do with the fact that after the first version of their study came out (the one that showed Fox the most balanced), all of a sudden FNC had trouble booking Democrats to appear? Repeatedly had to tell viewers they were unable to get an opposing point of view because no Dems were available? Quite a coincidence, eh? Meanwhile they started streaming into MSNBC for just long enough for TP to be able to put out an 'updated' chart showing MSNBC 'more balanced'?!?
 
Oh there's one more reason why I don't want to put it on the front page. Actually I had the link all ready to go. It would appear at the same time as today's ratings report. Not a reliable item but as a follow-up from the first version and would probably encourage some comments. But then your pal, followed by you, decided that it couldn't wait, and slapped it into the comments. And then followed it up with your snide comment about my not having it on the front page--which hadn't yet been updated. Nice play, on your part. You gave me the opportunity to think of all the reasons why linking to Think Propaganda is wrong, unless the purpose is to expose it. Two links in the comments is more than enough for them.
February 6, 2009, 6:58:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
Well I suppose I've had some sort of a result there...I normally get banned after you write a long post :lol:
But it 's a bit rich blaming Aeris and me for a no show link on the front page.
February 6, 2009, 7:06:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Why is it disappointing? Do you really consider it "news"?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 6:45 pm | #  
 
Well, in Haggis logic since the article mentions FNC showing more Republicans than Dems, the article is most certainly NEWS to Haggis. (Of course, he thought the former piece about FNC showing more Dems than the other channels to be NOT news, but a fluke.)
 
With that Haggis logic in consideration, Johnny, perhaps you should have featured the article. Featured it with the appropriate headline consistent with Haggis' brand of what is newsworthy.
 
How about this header:  
 
'MSNBC reverts to type'
 
I'm sure THAT consistency with his thinking would have made him happy...
February 6, 2009, 7:07:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
" it 's a bit rich blaming Aeris and me"
 
It certainly would be, if it weren't for all those others reasons I gave.
February 6, 2009, 7:10:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
How about this header:
 
'MSNBC reverts to type'
Cecelia | 02.06.09 - 7:12 pm |
 
Equally appropriate   
 
'FNC reverts to type'
 
Attack au Fer me thinks.
February 6, 2009, 7:19:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
FNC reverts to type'
 
Attack au Fer me thinks.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 7:24 pm | # 
 
Would that really be equally appropriate to you, Haggis? 
 
And how is it even true when FNC did exactly what the other cable channels did (showed more Republicans in BOTH news pieces), while MSNBC went "to type" by bucking the other cable outlets did?
 
We're following your logic about what's newsworthy here.
February 6, 2009, 7:28:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny,
 
One of the reasons for fewer Dems wanting to go on to cable channels other than MSNBC to champion the stimulus package, might be because the package is not a widespread "hit" with the public, so to speak. 
 
These guys would have to go on record and put themselves out there a bit, which would be memorable to Joe Blow. 
 
We all know they all (regardless of party) like to hedge their bets.
 
On MSNBC, it would be easier, because the channel's audience is more to the left and more amenable to the proposals, therefore being associated with the package with those folks is not an issue.
February 6, 2009, 7:37:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Cecelia | 02.06.09 - 7:33 pm |
 
The answer is fairly obvious....MSNBC realised they were a bit off balance last week and remedied it appropriately.
 
FNC on the other hand were leaning Republican last week also...But decided to remedied it in the opposite direction....turn even more republican.
February 6, 2009, 7:41:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Well that's very disappointing...But not to worry....Keith will surly spread the word far and wide on tonight's show...While Bill's stand-in plays dumb on the matter.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 6:43 pm | # 
 
Interesting prediction about "playing dumb" because that is exactly what Keithy did the last time. You are right about one thing Hag - Keith is surly.
February 6, 2009, 7:41:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Great Gregalogue and happy b-day, Red Eye!
 
Thanks, to my friend Fox Fan, for hooking me up to the show!
February 6, 2009, 7:47:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 7:46 pm |
 
Twisting my words yet again....There are only 2 contenders for the surly cup 2009....And that's O'reilly/Hannity with Doocy/Carlson in 3rd & 4th place but catching up fast.
February 6, 2009, 8:07:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
The answer is fairly obvious....MSNBC realised they were a bit off balance last week and remedied it appropriately.
 
FNC on the other hand were leaning Republican last week also...But decided to remedied it in the opposite direction....turn even more republican.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 7:46 pm | # 
 
If that's the case, then it's not news worthy.
 
FNC didn't turn "even more Republican", it turned AS Republican as the other channels had been (via info in the first piece). 
 
If your argument is that this second piece is news-worthy (in a way the first was not) in that FNC reverted to type (ironically, your definition for THAT is only illustrated by FNC doing exactly what the other outlets did) then MSNBC reverting to type in such a HUGE way (AND going in a directly overwhelming different from even CNN-- an outlet you've labeled as moderate in the past) is of the MOST relevant info in the article.
 
By your own logic, the headline should have read: 'MSNBC reverts to type, big time. Goes Gangbusters for Dems, as usual'
February 6, 2009, 8:25:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Twisting my words yet again....HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 8:12 pm | # 
 
Why would I need to do what is already done?
February 6, 2009, 8:30:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I'm finding this entire discussion quite interesting, looking over J$ and Cecelia's analysis and comparing it to the ramblings from the left, it seems that Haggy and Aeris making the claim that MSNBC is actually more fair and balanced because it tilts towards democrats.
 
Oh, and the fill-in host on the Factor will be "playing dumb" if they don't mention the study.
 
Hmmmmm - Keithy gets his rear end kicked in the ratings every day, but he never mentions that fact to his audience. Interesting, you may be right Haggy - it seems that Keithy actually does play dumb each and every day.
February 6, 2009, 8:40:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"Haggy and Aeris making the claim that MSNBC is actually more fair and balanced because it tilts towards democrats."
 
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 8:45 pm |
 
Twisting away yet again....I never said in any post that "MSNBC is actually more fair and balanced because it tilts towards democrats."
 
I said MSNBC at least tried to fix their imbalance from last week. Last week Fox appeared the most balanced...but still leaned republican...Instead of trying to get better...they did the opposite...I'll add that FNB were even worse.
February 6, 2009, 8:54:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
By the way Haggy - 
 
Earlier today you were complaining about me "You can't rebut my arguments... "
 
I can't help but notice that while you voiced that complaint, you were also avoiding responding to vstol's questions to you.
 
vstol | 02.04.09 - 10:00 pm | #
vstol | 02.05.09 - 3:02 pm | # 
 
I think it may be related to your salutation of white supremecist websites and simultaneous failure to condemn racial comments made by the newshounds.
February 6, 2009, 9:00:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Twisting away yet again....I never said in any post that "MSNBC is actually more fair and balanced because it tilts towards democrats."
 
I said MSNBC at least tried to fix their imbalance from last week. Last week Fox appeared the most balanced...but still leaned republican...Instead of trying to get better...they did the opposite...I'll add that FNB were even worse.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 8:59 pm | # 
 
Ashley, is right that's exactly what you're saying.
 
You're arguing that FNC was being biased by going more unevenly for Republicans, but that a switch by MSNBC to going unevenly for Democrats was the right (or even "less wrong") thing to do.
February 6, 2009, 9:10:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Aeris discussing the survey, per KOS
 
MSNBC, Fair and Balanced
Aeris Gainsborough | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 5:49 pm | # 
 
Then Haggy chimes in to discuss the report (and to make a backhand slap at Johnny implying alleged hypocrisy because he hadn't posted a link)
 
ThinkProgress have done the same thing this week...But no prominent link on Johnny's front page....I wonder why.
...
Last weeks results must have been rogue results...a one in a million chance. FNC have certainly shown their true colours this week. 
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 6:08 pm | # 
 
and then the facts.....
 
Beyond that is the claim that this proves MSNBC is the 'fairest'. Actually it proves no such thing. It proves their guest lineup was the only one that tilted toward Democrats. 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 7:03 pm | #
 
It is just amazing that anyone could even think MSNBC, which does not present any republican point-of-view in 2 of its 3 primetime hours (8P-11P ET) is anywhere close to being fair and balanced.
 
You want to see "Fair and Balanced"? then check out Fox News Channel. FNC. Channel 205 on Dish Network (if you have one of those electric dishes like me!)
February 6, 2009, 9:12:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Haggis I am not going to let thru your political sniping posts regardless of how many times you try to post them. You are welcome to keep trying, but doing so will have consequences. If you have any problem with this, this thread is not the place to discuss it.
 
PS: Just in case people don't understand what's going on here, Haggis writes up a comment making some political point or other, and then tacks on "I'm sure X [fill in any name on Fox] will start attacking Y [subject matter of Haggie's political comment]". Tossing in a gratuitous attack on Fox does not turn political comments into cable news comments.
February 6, 2009, 9:12:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Last week Fox appeared the most balanced...but still leaned republican...Instead of trying to get better...they did the opposite...HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 8:59 pm | # 
 
Well, in their defense, many democrats were simply not available last week. They were busy going over their previous 10 years of income tax filings and breaking out their checkbooks.
February 6, 2009, 9:14:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Just tuned in, did I just miss Ann Coulter on Hannity? Arggh!
 
I had the priviledge last night to attend her appearance at the Richard Nixon Library. She spoke for 45 minutes then took questions for about 15. Then she autographed her books for at least a thousand people who attended.
 
Great evening!
February 6, 2009, 9:24:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 9:19 pm |
 
Where are you digging up this stuff?
I'm fearing I'm simply reading regurgitated Media Research Centre talking points. The Friends favourite Centre....And they never reveal their leanings (MRC) to the American public.
February 6, 2009, 9:24:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Great evening!
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 9:29 pm |
 
I'm sure it was just riveting...Many strippers turn up?
February 6, 2009, 9:43:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Great evening!
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 9:29 pm |
 
I should have added this in my last post.
Is the apple as big in real life?...Or is the telly just magnifying it?
February 6, 2009, 9:47:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
OK Folks, here's why Republicans legislators outnumbered Democrats on all cable news networks, sans MSNBC, from last Monday morning to Thursday night.
 
It's because the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009 is in trouble, it might not pass, and the "NEWS" that needs to be covered is what Republican Senators plan on doing, not Democratic Senators.
 
End of story.
February 6, 2009, 10:00:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
vstol | 02.06.09 - 10:05 pm | 
 
You could be right there...but none the less I liked the way MSNBC at least tried to show balance....If all those Democratic Senators didn't want to appear on TV...as stated by folk here....MSNBC did an even more sterling job by keeping at them to appear....FNC/FBN seemed to give up at the 1st hurdle or did they even get off the start line?
February 6, 2009, 10:08:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No they didn't want to appear on tv--if it was Fox. How else to explain the repeated references to being unable to get a Dem to appear? Of course you prefer to lie and say FNC "gave up at the first hurdle", but then that's your MO.
February 6, 2009, 10:12:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
How else to explain the repeated references to being unable to get a Dem to appear?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:17 pm 
 
I never heard the Friends say that once...Do you have video of these multiple sayings?
February 6, 2009, 10:15:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Don't you ever ask me for video of anything. I hate doing this but you're the liar around here, not me. Sorry but you asked for it.
February 6, 2009, 10:17:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
.MSNBC did an even more sterling job by keeping at them to appear...
 
by haggy
 
Fox News askes the tough questions. Msnbc, not so much. Does that answer your question?
February 6, 2009, 10:22:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
They were busy going over their previous 10 years of income tax filings and breaking out their checkbooks.
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 9:19 pm | # 
 
Sad, but, true!
February 6, 2009, 10:25:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
The Democratic legislators appeared on MSNBC so they could accuse the Republicans of obstructionism without being challenged or asked to explain what the pork laden bill that came out of the House had to do with stimulating the economy.
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HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 11:41 am | # 
 
I said this should be interesting. You did not disappoint.
 
It would seem reasonable that before you can expect an answer to your topic-changing question, you should answer the questions I asked you.
 
The weakness of the one response you did give is an indication you didn't read or didn't comprehend the article on which you were commenting.
 
In an effort to help, here are direct links to the article and resulting comment thread, where many of your comments were allowed and where I put my questions to you twice:
 
http://homepage.mac.com/mkoldys/ ...m255387328.html
 
http://www.haloscan.com/comments...r/gxm255387328/ 
 
I await your response.
vstol | 02.06.09 - 1:17 pm | #
February 6, 2009, 10:26:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:22 pm | # 
 
Johnny,
But the Democrats know that the Friends do lean more towards the Republicans, that might have been the reason none did appear. But I have seen Democrats on some of the other Fox News programs. 
Haggis, I am begging you please, please stop digging yourself a hole, you are making Democrats like me cringe with some of your lame ass debating. We get it you dislike Fox News, as a Democrat I do dislike some of their programming also. But they are more fair than not.
February 6, 2009, 10:33:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Once again, Haggis shows his hypocrisy.
 
 
And they never reveal their leanings (MRC) to the American public.
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 9:29 pm | # 
 
And of course Olby always stresses the left wing slant of Media Matters?????
 
OK Hag, if you want to make the claim that F&F never do it, please provide transcripts of every broadcast where they mention MRC and illustrate those that do not include the reference to political leaning.
 
Prove what you say.
February 6, 2009, 10:39:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
O'Reilly grabs 3.8 million viewers.
Oralmann grabs 1.4
 
So much for "spreading the word far and wide" eh, haggy?
February 6, 2009, 10:42:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I should have added this in my last post.
Is the apple as big in real life?...Or is the telly just magnifying it?
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 9:52 pm | # 
 
Haggy - before I offer my extremely witty retort to your smear, I have to ask you a question. What percentage of women have adams apples? It's not uncommon. But I digress.
 
I've seen Ann before, but yesterday was the first time I stood next next to her. As she walked in to the auditorium (by terrific luck, we walked in just as she came out of a private office with a couple of folks from the RMN library). Haggy, she's lovely. Didn't notice an "apple" though, but its pretty apparent that she's more man than you will ever be and more woman than you will ever get.
 
By the way Hag - you may find it interesting that the last time I saw her in person was in 2006. I saw her through the exterior windows into the set of Fox News Studios at 49th and Ave of the Americas. You know Fox News? the number one rated cable news network! Anyhow, she was set in a discussion with our good friend, John Gibson. You would have loved it!!!
 
Sorry to break it to ya Hags, but she really is lovely.
February 6, 2009, 10:54:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:30 pm | # 
 
Too bad Haggy didn't get the joke!
February 6, 2009, 10:56:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 9:19 pm | # 
 
Lets not forget some of the people in Bush's White House had some tax trouble also. Lets be fair.
February 6, 2009, 10:57:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:47 pm | # 
 
OS - notice you stressed that BOR grabs 3.8 million and Olby only grabs 1.4...not 1.4 million.
 
Hey, you're right!!!!!
February 6, 2009, 10:59:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 10:44 pm | # 
 
Ashley it is pretty obvious where the Friends political affiliation is, especially Doocy and Carlson. When Alysyn is on she is way more reserved with her political views
February 6, 2009, 10:59:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:47 pm | #
 
Please os Oralman, what are you an 8 year old child.
February 6, 2009, 11:04:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I think OS is using Olby's words against him. Olby regularly refers to "Bill Orally".
February 6, 2009, 11:10:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
oh sorry Johnny and os, I don't watch Olbermann alot
February 6, 2009, 11:12:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Fox News made the move of the yr by picking up Beck. That's all I can say.
February 6, 2009, 11:22:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Haggy, she's lovely. Didn't notice an "apple" though, but its pretty apparent that she's more man than you will ever be and more woman than you will ever get.
 
by Ashley
 
Ouch! That's gonna leave a mark....
February 6, 2009, 11:27:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"Olby regularly refers to "Bill Orally"."
 
Last night he kept emphasizing the word "Dick".
 
MSNBC must be proud.
February 6, 2009, 11:41:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Lets not forget some of the people in Bush's White House had some tax trouble also. Lets be fair.
Bababooey | 02.06.09 - 11:02 pm | # 
 
I make a joke about a current event and I'm supposed to rehash history? Two words:
 
1. Wet
 
2. Blanket
February 6, 2009, 11:46:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
So much for "spreading the word far and wide" eh, haggy?
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 10:47 pm | # 
 
He's quite good at maximizing a minimum. For example, he might boast that he has "a magnificent mouthful of tooth."
February 6, 2009, 11:49:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Fox News made the move of the yr by picking up Beck. That's all I can say.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 11:27 pm | # 
 
I agree. I tried watching his HLN show, but it just never worked for me. His FNC show, excellent.
February 6, 2009, 11:59:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I'm sure it was just riveting...Many strippers turn up?
HaggisFarmer | 02.06.09 - 9:48 pm | # 
 
Not that I'm aware of, though there were many very pretty ladies, none indicated that as a profession. Just a wide assortment of very friendly, cordial, well-mannered, respectful, patriotic, and intelligent people getting together for a quality evening of humor interspersed with exceptional analysis of current events. In other words, a social environment with which you have no experience.
February 7, 2009, 12:19:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"Olby regularly refers to "Bill Orally"."
 
Last night he kept emphasizing the word "Dick".
 
MSNBC must be proud.
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 11:46 pm | # 
 
The radical lefties refer to that as "hard" news.
February 7, 2009, 12:35:42 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 11:51 pm | # 
Sorry Johnny but I have two words also.
 
1. Smart
2. ass
February 7, 2009, 1:31:07 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Ashley | 02.06.09 - 11:51 pm | # 
Then Ashley don't make jokes since Bush did a fine job of joking us everyday.
February 7, 2009, 10:15:03 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
MSNBC, Fair and Balanced:
 
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonl...2906/499/ 694106
 
'nuff said...
Aeris Gainsborough | Homepage | 02.06.09 - 5:49 pm | 
 
That's a joke, right?
February 7, 2009, 11:08:17 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Then Ashley don't make jokes since Bush did a fine job of joking us everyday.
Bababooey | 02.07.09 - 10:20 am | # 
 
Baba - you are making no sense.
February 7, 2009, 12:52:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Bababooey | 02.07.09 - 1:36 am | # 
 
Baba - you are making some sense.
February 7, 2009, 1:07:01 PM EST – Like – Reply