1/18/10 12:31 PM

Tuesday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Monday's numbers: O'Reilly-Beck-Hannity 1-2-3.
Weekend numbers.

Will Olby accept the challenge?  KO's absurd promo.

Who is watching FNC?  Just a mistake?

Wallace incognito?  Hotline after dark.  HLN grows.

War on Fox: MSM intimidated?  Tapper grills Gibbs.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread.




cee
Another nice rebuttal to the whiners at The White House. Questions, answers, information gathered from newsmakers...it seems that Mr. Axelrod needs to check his opinion about FNC.
 
Additionally, Mr. Axelrod only seems to believe a news organization that supplies his interests with POSITIVE coverage is appropriate to be called a news organization.
 
Silly is a good word to describe what Obama is doing here...for now.
October 20, 2009, 8:38:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Good money is on Olbermann ignoring Ziegler.....or, at best, he mentions the offer, refusing to debate with some lame excuse.
 
Everyone knows Olbermann is incapable of taking a risk of looking foolish in a debate...He cares too much about his image and any mistake in a live debate is his biggest nightmare.
 
I would really like to see Cankles defend his analysis that Ziegler only does what he does because of some romantic reason.
October 20, 2009, 10:22:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "Wallace incognito?": AmericaBlog?!
October 20, 2009, 10:55:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


bostonbabe
"The White House Attacks Fox News". Well, what a nice role reversal. Its about time.
 
Axelrod is right that a lot of the news programming pushes a point of view. When the "news" peeps are blabbing away the real message is often conveyed in the chyron (with a question mark, of course, so they can say "We're only ASKING!").
 
But listening to Axelrod's explanation he talks about "appearing on their shows" which leads me to believe he is talking about the opinion shows, which, as I said on another thread, frequently push opinion as hard fact without making any distinction between the two, and worse, "report" "facts" which are not facts at all.
 
Greta can air all the clips she wants to "prove" that she is an "objective" journalist and that Fox only reports real news, but let's look at these other examples:
 
* Fox News reports fake murder story from ACORN video as fact  
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909160023
 
* Fox figures ignore health bill's ban on subsidies for illegal immigrants
http://mediamatters.org/research/200909110013
 
* Fox News' Van Susteren did not challenge Kyl's false stimulus math
http://mediamatters.org/research/200902190007
 
* Fox News' Van Susteren ignored Graham's economic recovery falsehoods
http://mediamatters.org/research/200902060001
 
* Greta Van Susteren Distorts Panetta’s Words To Malign Him
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/06/16/greta_van_susteren_distorts_panettas_words_to_malign_him.php
 
* Greta Van Susteren's Husband An [undisclosed] Advisor To Sarah Palin
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/03/18/greta_van_susterens_husband_an_advisor_to_sarah_palin.php
 
* Greta Van Susteren Feeds Republican Talking Points To Rudy Giuliani About NY Times Article On Cindy McCain
http://www.newshounds.us/2008/10/21/greta_van_susteren_feeds_republican_talking_points_to_rudy_giuliani_about_ny_times_article_on_cindy_mccain.php
 
And those are just a small sample of articles about the bias of supposedly liberal Van Susteren on Fox.
 
I can already hear your faithful followers screeching "Eeeeewwww, Media Matters! Aaaaaaaaaghhhhh, Newshounds!" So to this site's flock of (6 or 7 ) sheeple I say, dispute my points as you wish, but stick to the points. These are but a small sample of the literally thousands of examples of Fox bias available at the touch of your keyboard if you were not so wilfully blind.
 
And pleeeeeze spare me the "what about Olbermann" [etc] schtick. We are taking about Fox so stick to Fox.
 
Oh, this is interestng:
 
NEW YORK - Rupert Murdoch continued FOX News Channel's duel with The White House on Friday while also announcing the termination of the network's left-leaning analyst Marc Lamont Hill.
http://celebrifi.com/gossip/Murdoch-Fox-News-liberal-pundit-fired-861693.html
October 20, 2009, 11:16:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Reminder: do not attack other posters.
October 20, 2009, 11:30:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
I find it sad that someone would have to have a website that sticks up for Fox News, MSNBC has none as well as CNN. More people might watch Fox but also more people hate Fox .  
I agree with Bostonbade Mr Hill was let go, due to his political side as we as his race.
October 20, 2009, 11:39:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
Here is a question I have for all who regularly post here.......first tell my if Fox news is Fair and Balanced why so many Conservative hosts, Hannity, Huckabee, O'Reilly leans Conservative, the Friends are obviously Conservative. I understand that they are opinion shows but why most opinions shows conservative.  
Yes MSNBC leans to the Liberal side but they have a conservative Joe Scarborough who has his own show.  
Why does Fox News have no Liberal leaning programming? And please Alan Colmes was shark food for Hannity?

Edited By Siteowner
October 20, 2009, 12:14:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Stlindahouse......Fox is more fair and balanced on their opinion progarms than most other networks.
 
If you actually took the time to watch Fox over an extended period of time you would know that. Try it some time. You might be surprised.
 
The fact that they have no liberals hosts does not matter.
October 20, 2009, 12:49:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
bostonbabe, or whoever you happened to be today, your use of Media Matters and News Hounds leaves much to be desired. Both are know to shade the truth a bit and therefore have little credibility.
 
Of course much of what they post is only their opinion and usually lacks pertinent facts.
October 20, 2009, 12:52:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Stlindahouse | 10.20.09 - 11:44 am | #  
Stlindahouse | 10.20.09 - 12:19 pm | #  
 
As you have started off attempting to insult this website, and you are posing such a broad series of questions and conditions for everyone who regularly posts here, you may want to tell us something about yourself. For example, have you ever posted here before and, if so, what name did you use? Honesty is the best policy, don't you agree?
October 20, 2009, 1:02:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Olby will reject the challange, he can't have a real debate
 
Re: Mistake: I think it is a mistake, nothing more
 
re: war on fox: you would think there is nothing more important going on.
October 20, 2009, 1:17:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


bostonbabe
Blackflon, the examples I chose are backed up by other sources. If I had the time I would use other sources exclusively so no-one here could point at the messengers rather than the message but I am short of time and they're convenient.
 
And Yes Mr. dollar, I shall try to remember to not to attack other posters.
 
Got to hit the road, back much later.
October 20, 2009, 1:23:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "Will Olby accept the challenge?": I left a comment at the link and a Olby supporter threw Hannity/waterboarding for charity at me. "Reefdancer" got me good. :D Just kidding.
October 20, 2009, 1:29:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I like how bostonbabe and Stlindahouse use th ol' strawmen arguments and demand answers for those they erect....Sorry, not gonna bite.
 
The REAL issue is a GOVERNMENT entity deciding who is a "news organization," and calling for its basic containment. First, it is an inaccurate statement, FNC does cover real news events without bias or opinion while also giving the public high quality punditry and opinion shows....The ratings seem to suggest it is working.
 
Secondly, tax payer paid government officials are coming close to a bad line when they start "containing" the press. Enemies lists, black lists used to be something the left cried foul on, now?....Hypocrisy is another lovely component of this story.
 
Lastly, there are countless examples of leftward bias in all of the other 95% of the media that I believe way overshadows any little whining mediamatters or thinkprogress has for us all. Poll after poll proves a majority of the American people see a liberal bias in most of the media plus, as I mentioned yesterday, I can go to NBC's site and get an Obama t-shirt or bobblehead along with a glowing picturebook of Obama's rise to power.
 
There....those are my arguments....answer them.
October 20, 2009, 1:29:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
The fact that they have no liberals hosts does not matter.
Blackflon | Homepage | 10.20.09 - 12:54 pm | #  
 
Actually it does because it show how bias they are.  
 
Cee, you are right the medial in some cases does lean liberal.........but the media is also drawn to people who are the story and Obama is the story and was the story last year, I see no problem in the media supporting our president, while they can question his views on healthcare and the economy.
 
Was it not Fox News that made a comment about how you need to respect the president and the office he holds. I believe I heard that many times when Bush was president.
Does Beck respect the president, does Hannity, does Huckabee, does those three smart allecks on the couch every morning respect the president, of course not. They look for every opportunity to slam him, from what he wears to throw out the first pitch at the All Star game to why he has so many Czars. Fox gets personal and the rest of the MSM does not, they at least respect the man and the office that he holds.  
 
Ashley I have questioned but gave no conditions. I would just like to know how you can all say that Fox is Fair and Balanced when they have mostly Conservative opinon shows.
 
I can tell by reading the post on this site that it is 90 percent conservative and that is why you are all drawn to Fox
October 20, 2009, 2:31:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
Side note..... what about Cheney want to shut up Olbermann and Maddow were you who post here up in the air over that.
October 20, 2009, 2:32:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
cee, CNN quoted a poll that showed 58% of talk radio listeners are independents. So much for the "right wing hate radio" people.
October 20, 2009, 2:55:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Fox&Friends - Your Morning “Juggies” Booty Call
Reported by Priscilla - Tue 11:47 AM
 
For my lady friends at News Hounds...
 
FUN BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 20, 2009, 2:57:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Damail
Just a quick off-topic question: Has there been a retraction/apology from Rachel Maddow about her using that bogus Limbaugh quote? I haven't heard one yet.
October 20, 2009, 3:07:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Damail | 10.20.09 - 3:12 pm | #  
 
No, she has not apologized to Limbaugh or to the viewers of MSNBC for her flagrant lies.
October 20, 2009, 3:46:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "KO's absurd promo": The fake one is more absurd, but barely. Political watchdog, no; political ideologue, yes.
October 20, 2009, 3:46:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
FUN BAGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Blackflon | Homepage | 10.20.09 - 3:02 pm | #  
 
The hounds went into hysterics when you said that once, are they whining about what one of their own has written? I speculate that they are quiet about it. I remember there was one poster over there, went by the name of Weston, who seemed to become quite irrational over the "fun bags" comment. But it is my opinion that that poster seemed to have a lack of comprehension anyhow, so he probably didn't understand what the whole FB thing was about.
October 20, 2009, 4:03:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Political watchdog?
 
Obama has continued to "deny" habeas corpus to detainees....Has Olbermann held him to account like he did with George Bush?
 
Obama has continued to "spy on Americans".....ditto question.
 
There are so many others where Olbermann has remained SILENT but this is not the right place to list them.
October 20, 2009, 4:10:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
Cee what about Cheney saying he wanted Maddow and Olbermann to shut up, what is the difference between the White House saying the same about Fox News
.
 
Maddow should not apologize to Rush, it was more of a misquote, the point was made.
The same could be said that Beck needs to apologize to the White House for his lies and fear mongering.
October 20, 2009, 4:47:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I couldn't find anything online about [former VP] Cheney saying he wanted Maddow and Olbermann to shut up.
October 20, 2009, 5:24:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Richard
You have to love all the "new" Fox News experts here who clearly never watch Fox News......New screen names......same old lies about what Fox News does.
 
As part of the so called 10% here........I voted for Obama in 08 and since I live in IL Ive voted for him 4 times already.....I love Fox news......but only the News shows....I almost never watch the talking heads....I dont like them so I dont watch......they are what they are.
 
Of course no one here will accept Media matters or Newshounds as something true....J$ has a post each weekend that clearly shows that they lie about Fox News.
 
If you hate Fox News thats fine....but why on earth would you feel the need to comment on a site that points out the truth about Fox news....and only come with the lies from others sites?
October 20, 2009, 5:24:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Stlindahouse is making an interesting point, claiming that the Obama administration is behaving like the Bush administration.
 
Though I don't recall Cheney telling Maddow or Olbermann to "shut up".
October 20, 2009, 5:25:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Mike C. | Homepage | 10.20.09 - 5:29 pm |
 
I also looked, couldn't find it
October 20, 2009, 5:55:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Love those Monday ratings. FNC on top as usual, in both "the demo" and the overall, generating those high advertising dollars. BOR once again crushes his competition. Even his rerun crushes the first runs of the other networks at the 8 PM ET hour.
October 20, 2009, 6:04:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ObserverDan
Ashley, I was considering that same point. All the recent Republican Admin's have been criticized for their attitude toward the NYTimes. How petty they were, after all the NYTimes was the premiere newspaper, albeit with an obvious liberal editorial board.
So what do we see today? We see that Obama, Emmanuel, Axelrod, et al are just as petty, even more so, for having a war with a cable news outlet.  
What happened to the lofty promises of the Liberal Left?
October 20, 2009, 6:06:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Of course no one here will accept Media matters or Newshounds as something true....J$ has a post each weekend that clearly shows that they lie about Fox News.
Richard | 10.20.09 - 5:29 pm | #  
 
My problem with Media Matters is how they selectively crop quotes, removing the overall context or specific related information which is necessary for someone to understand the true meaning of the quote. J$ has done an excellent job debunking quite a bit of what MM has reported. But he's an army of one and can only do so much (by the way, an EXCELLENT FHWiR this week). If had kind of money that MM gets directly or indirectly from George Soros/George Soros funded groups, MM would be hurting.  
 
Richard, thanks for your other points. Glad to see you here at J$P.
October 20, 2009, 6:13:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
There's Not Much Difference Between Fox News' Opinion Shows And Their News Shows
Reported by Ellen - October 20, 2009 - 10 comments  
 
Did Ellen even look at her own video?
 
First she shows Hannity giving his "opinion" about an issue and then the next video is Bill Hemmer actually "reporting" on the story. He offered no opinion.
 
BIG FREAKING DIFFERENCE!!!!!!
 
They sure know how to put their lies and distortions together.
 
You can't fix stupid.
October 20, 2009, 6:19:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
OD - good points. The Bush admin did have problems with the NY Times, remember Maureen Dowd's absolute deliberate lie when she edited a Bush quote by removing key text then failing to add an ellipsis (...).
 
The way the left is behaving now doesn't even come close to the claims they were making about the right when Bush was in office.
 
Do they not want any criticism of the Obama administration. Do they actually want a news organization to back off being a true watchdog over the government?
 
I read above about "Becks lies". For all of the talk about "lies", Washington sure is reacting to Beck's work by tossing out Van Jones and firing Acorn from the Census as well as cutting out some federal funding. Fear mongering? a matter of opinion, but when you have those on the left (note "those", not "all") publically stating that the Repubs want you to die, want to poison you, want to kill you, want to starve your children, it's apparently just projection. Their allegations against the right are merely their way of describing their own actions.
October 20, 2009, 6:23:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Ashley | 10.20.09 - 4:08 pm | #  
 
The Houndettes seem to go all a twitter when the Hooter Girls show up.  
 
I think they should all just come out of the closet and get it over with.
 
I used the term "fun bags" a couple of times over there and little johnt and his mysoginist pals went nuts.
 
THey have no sense of humor.
October 20, 2009, 6:25:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzel
My problem with Media Matters is how they selectively crop quotes, removing the overall context or specific related information which is necessary for someone to understand the true meaning of the quote.
==========
 
Does not fox news do this as well? Didn't they for instance quote Joe Biden saying the economy was strong, when in fact he was quoting John McCain and not saying the econmy was strong at all?
 
Not that it would make it right if media matters were taking things out context to the point it was distorting meaning.
October 20, 2009, 6:25:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I can tell by reading the post on this site that it is 90 percent conservative and that is why you are all drawn to Fox
Stlindahouse | 10.20.09 - 2:36 pm | #  
 
Of course we watch Fox. We also watch other news programming.
 
Fox is far more balanced then MSNBC. If you took the time to research it and not depend on NH and MM for your information you could figure it out all by yourself.
October 20, 2009, 6:28:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
shizzel | 10.20.09 - 6:30 pm | #  
 
Yes, it does happen to all news outlets, mistakes are made. But in this case, FNC quickly corrected their mistake and publically apologized. I don't recall MM doing that, and I never heard an apology or even an "uh-oh" from Maureen Down on her deliberate lie.
October 20, 2009, 6:56:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Blackflon | Homepage | 10.20.09 - 6:24 pm |
 
What no one else says about it is this: Kevin Jennings himself, NOT FOX said the boy was 15. Fox was reporting what Kevin said. As it turns out the boy was 16. The actual age came out later
 
Facts, those pesky pesky things
October 20, 2009, 7:01:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
CNN has a new poll up which some may find interesting.
 
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2009/10/20/cnn-poll-half-the-country-disagrees-with-obama-on-issues/
 
Only 48% of those surveyed agree with President Obama on the big issues, 51% do not.
 
I don't recall any similar survey conducted on past administrations.
October 20, 2009, 7:02:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzel
Of course we watch Fox. We also watch other news programming.
================
 
I believe his point was more that you that you are conservative. I think the impication being, that if Fox is fair and balanced between the left and the right, they seem to have only convinced the right of this fact.  
 
"Fox is far more balanced then MSNBC. If you took the time to research it and not depend on NH and MM for your information you could figure it out all by yourself."
 
Well that is certainly debatable. I'm not sure how you would go about objectively determining that. I would guess if we took a poll on this blog(where most of the regulars are conservative.) the results would overwhelmingly say Fox is fairer and more balanced than msnbc. A poll on dailykos would probably run a different direction.
October 20, 2009, 7:05:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Kevin Jennings himself, NOT FOX said the boy was 15."
 
Exactly so. Then when Fox reports the story based on Jennings own words, Media Matters claims it as a Fox Lie or whatever they call it.
 
Just like when they say Fox "falsely" reported that an ACORN worker had killed her husband. The ACORN worker confessed to it on camera! If you don't want Fox to report that you killed your husband, then don't go around telling people you killed your husband.
 
Sheesh.
October 20, 2009, 7:08:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
The whole point of the problem with Fox News is that they were saying when Bush was president that people who degrade the president are UnAmerican, is Fox News not doing the exact same thing.
October 20, 2009, 7:51:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"they were saying"
 
Who's 'they'? And don't tell me 'Fox' unless you have a video of the News Corp Articles of Incorporation speaking.
October 20, 2009, 7:58:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
Omg Johnny are you serious, The friends is the morning were always calling Olbermann UN American for degrading George Bush. Now Johnny you can keep up the lie but you are doing yourself a diservice if you do. I heard many time Kilmeade saying that Olbermann was Un American for what he was saying about Bush. NOw FOX NEWS is doing the same so by deffinition they are Un American, for the Daily Obama hate fest. Fox News and Hannity especially are Un American.
October 20, 2009, 8:27:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ObserverDan
Fox News personalities did do quite a bit of lamenting the lack of respect for the "office of the President", especially during the early years of the war in Iraq. I agreed then, as well as now.  
Truth be told, you don't hear that from FNC these days.
October 20, 2009, 8:27:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"I believe his point was more that you that you (sic) are conservative. I think the impication (sic) being, that if Fox is fair and balanced between the left and the right, they seem to have only convinced the right of this fact."
 
Sniz, if you read this site much you might find reputable statistics that prove otherwise.  
 
Stlindahouse | 10.20.09 - 7:56 pm | #
 
As johnny said, proof?
October 20, 2009, 8:31:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
O'Reilly's claim that legalized pot would increase access of it to kids is BS. Kids already have full access nearly anywhere in the country.  
 
I'm 100% for legalization and keeping the existing laws that kids aren't supposed to possess it.  
 
Everyone drinks before they're 21 and the situation would be similar, but the cops could still bust people under a certain age.
October 20, 2009, 8:45:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"The friends is the morning were always calling Olbermann UN American"
 
Oh well I guess that proves it. Because you say so. But that doesn't make it true. Can you cite a direct quote?
 
But getting back to what I asked about, you said 'Fox' called people un-American, and I still haven't seen you back that up back that up either. That's two claims from you without evidence.
 
Even if it were true by the way, since Olbermann called Bush un-American, if there were a hate fest he would have to be part of it, no? Why would Fox be a hate fest but not MSNBC?
October 20, 2009, 9:00:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Olbermann admits he is unamerican:
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IOWBnkaitd8&feature=related
 
I could not find any video of fox and friends calling Olbermann unamerican, but then again, Olbermann himself did.
October 20, 2009, 9:14:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
Dollar you knows it true you watch Fox News daily, it was stated over and over again. Even Observer Dan stated the same, even if I cannot find a sound bite, does not make my statement untrue.  
 
Once again Dollar trying your best spin, making it about Olbermann, Fox News was always standing up to those who went after Bush. So is it fair to say that if they are so Fair and Balanced they should do the same for Obama. Yes or No.
October 20, 2009, 9:54:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Stlindahouse
http://insidecable.blogsome.com/2008/01/16/fox-and-friends-vs-olbermann/
October 20, 2009, 10:01:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Once again Dollar trying your best spin, making it about Olbermann"
 
Um, you brought up Olby, claiming that F&F called him unAmerican. I'll give you one more chance to back that up. If you can't back it up I expect you to take it back and admit your error.
October 20, 2009, 10:02:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Can I admit now that he's Patrick?
October 20, 2009, 10:07:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
If the crew from "Fox and Friends" ever once called Obama "unAmerican", Media Matters, Daily KOS, Think Progress, and Democratic Underground would have been all over it for weeks. If they did it "always", those same left wing sites would be all over it for weeks to the nth degree.
 
If Ms. Linda House is right, then she should be quite able to find the proof J$ has requested to back up her claim.
 
(I know its really St Louis in the house, but I think Ms. Linda House is much more pleasant to read)
October 20, 2009, 10:24:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
In my opinion, if F&F did call Olbermann "unAmerican", I would agree with them.
 
No American should ever talk about our war heroes in the manner that Olbermann has.
October 20, 2009, 10:26:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Really, I gave you the opportunity to either back up or retract your claim, and you chose to link to an article that says nothing whatsoever about Olbermann being called un-American. You refused the option to retract, so that's off the table. I'm sorry but your claim about F&F and Olbermann has to be adjudged false.
 
Because you declined the opportunities given you to retract the claim but instead tried to prove it with a link that did NOT back up your claim, you have failed. We don't tolerate people lying about Fox here, so you're going for a stay at Exile Island. Don't think your visit here wasn't fun, Patrick, because it wasn't.
October 20, 2009, 10:44:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Richard
Not only that but the youtube video he said proved his lie....has been removed so no one can tell it was all a Lie.....my google seacrh came up with ZERO F&F calling anyone unAmerican.....it did however come up with quite a few people-wakcos calling FOX News UnAmerican.
 
Nice big FAIL on Stlindahouse!
October 20, 2009, 10:49:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Richard
I love how Fox haters can NEVER show any video of something they lie about happening all the time.
October 20, 2009, 10:50:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The li'l feller is always entertaining.
October 20, 2009, 11:30:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Damail
"Maddow should not apologize to Rush, it was more of a misquote, the point was made..." - Stlindahouse
 
With that statement, you just blew your credibility (or appearance thereof) into oblivion. Maddow repeated a quote about Rush saying he praised James Earl Ray, AND THAT QUOTE IS 100% BOGUS! RUSH NEVER SAID THAT!
 
You're done.
October 21, 2009, 12:32:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well that is certainly debatable. I'm not sure how you would go about objectively determining that. I would guess if we took a poll on this blog(where most of the regulars are conservative.) the results would overwhelmingly say Fox is fairer and more balanced than msnbc. A poll on dailykos would probably run a different direction.
shizzel | 10.20.09 - 7:10 pm | # 
 
Well, then what's your beef?
 
If the whole matter of whether FNC is fair or balanced is moot because it's a matter of partisan perspective only, then why have you bothered to show up occasionally and argue otherwise.
 
By your own argument, your perspective is about as meaningless as a FNC fan.
 
Go in peace, son. You've no work that you can possibly do here.
 
Shove off...
October 21, 2009, 9:29:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I'm surprised about Monday's ratings...
 
Cankles hosted COUTNDOWN, so there was no sub to blame for third place in the demo....
 
He was once again below 1 million total viewers while O'Reilly pulled over 3.
 
Pathetic.
October 21, 2009, 11:13:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply