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Mike C.
Now, Howard Kurtz reaches this conclusion?
May 28, 2008, 1:19:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike, he didn't want to jump to a conclusion without lots and lots of evidence to back him up. Why that would be partisan.
May 28, 2008, 3:18:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply

"It's an organ of the Democratic National Committee," says Steve Schmidt, a senior strategist for John McCain's campaign. "It's a partisan advocacy organization that exists for the purpose of attacking John McCain."
Now if you were to replace DNC with RNC,and John Mccain with Barack Obama,you would have the way many see Fox.
For better or worse,I think this country is entering an era when the media,and particularly cable news, will be blatantly partisan.IMO,Rupert Murdoch let the cat out of the bag when he built a media empire based on appealling to what appeared to him an underserved demographic,the Right.
We've had decades of hearing "I don't believe the MSM",so perhaps it was inevitable that someone would try to make a buck on these people.
The Republic has survived worse.But I think it is a tad insincere for Fox partisans to complain about a cable network becoming left-leaning.What's good for the goose is good for the gander.
May 28, 2008, 7:29:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Will Devaroe
That's a good point, although partisan networks don't bother me as long as people are honest about them.
May 28, 2008, 8:25:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I guess the fact that FOX does not regularly blow the horn for Obama makes them a McCain friendly network.
FOX, when I view them, seems to plod along, reporting what is happening in all campaigns. They are slammed regularly as "being in the tank" for McCain and I don't see it.
I guess they should "toe the line" and slam any and all things negative about McCain and just fluff over any and all gaffes by O and Hill. Then they would be known as an "enlightened" news network?
May 28, 2008, 8:51:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Chuck | 05.28.08 - 8:56 am |  
Now you probably watch more fox than I do,so can you clue me in to the last McCain gaff that fox payed much attention to.
We had the Hillary emotional moment,Obama's "bittergate",Hillary's rendition of an old spiritual,Obama's "pastorgate.
Can you point out a McCain gaffe that got hourly mention for days at a time on fox?
May 28, 2008, 8:57:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply

The Left is so juvenile in their tit-for-tat thinking. Their juvenile in most of the way they operate and they are certainly are masters of accusing everyone else of being the things that themselves are.
Truth is not their concern.. and if anyone would try to discern what their values are one would be hard pressed to find anything other than the raw, aggressive pursuit of power for its own sake.
And the thing that is most hypocritical about them is that they pretend to be aghast that Fox is "conservative" (which it isn't) yet never say a thing about the rest of the media, particularly CBS, NBC and the NYT.
It's obvious the Left doesn't care about slanted biased news. They only care about when the left-wing bias is called attention to, which is what Fox does.. and the Left resents , as it resents all opposition to its dystopian goals.
May 28, 2008, 9:15:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply

If you went entirely with the premise that Fox staffers are mostly conservatives who are soft on that view and that MSNBC is the liberal version of that, you'd still need to do some commonsense separating of truth from blue blog myopia.
Fox News political coverage is generally anchored by Brit Hume or Chris Wallace. MSNBC's is anchored by Chris Matthews and Keith Olbermann. Now in blueblogdom there may be little difference between Hume and Wallace as compared to say... Karl Rove or Sean Hannity, but this is the sort of nonsense that we get from people who are quite a ways left of center.
Though many might make the case that Hume is a conservative, in the way many made the case that Brokaw and Jennings were pro-choice, pro-gun control, pro-entitlement spending liberals from their interview questions and from their books, few would make the case that either anchor was therefore incapable of doing a fair and honest interview. It is the same with anchors Hume and with Wallace in all but the bizzarroworld of blue blogdom.
On the other hand while bluebloggers might have questioned former Tip O'Neil staffer Chris Matthews' bona fides for not being sufficiently anti-chimpy..., even they no longer question the fact that he along with the rest of MSNBC is now reliably in the Democratic camp. Olbermann's status goes unquestioned.
So in MSNBC we have gone beyond the quiet liberalism of the major networks, beyond FNC's treatment of conservatism as the equal of liberalism (that "undeserved" tv news demographic you spoke of), into an area where MSNBC is asking us to put aside all credulity and imagine that a guy who has accused the president of abetting cold blooded murder and a guy who has done everything but personally endorse Obama, can be balanced political coverage correspondents.
They ask folks to do this not because they think they really can. They ask them to "imagine" it as a less impolite way of saying "Go away, girl. You bother me."
So now we're being asked by a cable channel to imagine something different from what BOTH camps-- conservatives and bluebloggers-- KNOW to be reality.
You can blame Murdoch for this, the split down the middle political demographics of the country, your mother.... who or whatever.... but don't compare it to anything that's been before it. It's a whole nuther ballgame.
May 28, 2008, 9:35:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply

"undeserved" tv news demographic"
I'm hoping that was a typo. "Underserved" is the word that I used.Were you expecting bias?
I don't have time right now for a long answer (making soup).Maybe later.
May 28, 2008, 9:44:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply

We're not seeing FNC coverage of Obama slip of tongue gaffes either.  
We're seeing about as much McCain coverage on FNC as we see in the other networks. Which is very little as compared to the active contest between the two Democrats.
May 28, 2008, 9:47:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply

It was a typo-- I wouldn't think that you were suggesting that Murdoch thought conservatives to be "undeserved".
May 28, 2008, 9:51:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I see Fox are up and running with the McClellan smear campaign....Just trying to sell a book....Bitter....The usual tactics.
May 28, 2008, 9:53:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply

In my experience, FOX doesn't seem to be towing the line for McCain at all. Remember, people like Hannity don't really care for a McCain presidency... and since there isn't much cheerleading FOR McCain in general (seems to be anti-Obama/Clinton cheering, rather than pro-McCain cheering in the public) I don't think that would be a wise decision.
As for talking about McCain gaffes, they talk about them, just as much as they talk about the other stuff. Last night they talked about the Obama's Uncle mistake. Hannity thought it was a big deal, Colmes didn't... and O'Reilly thought it was a minor mistake and moved on.
I think the notion of how FNC covers stories is so engrained in people's minds, that they just assume things, and don't believe it when their assumptions turn out to be wrong.
May 28, 2008, 11:52:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply

What is this with 4 references to blue blogs.Do you think that no one would come to the conclusion that fox has a definite Republican bias if the "blueblogs" hadn't told them.
Come on,you can't be that naive."The Simpsons" have done fox parodies.I saw a fox parody from Australia.In many circles saying "I heard it on fox news"is a punch line,and this is among people who are in no way net savvy.
It has been reported that Dick Cheney's advance team is instructed to have a TV in his hotel room tuned to fox.
Why would this be unless he was very comfortable with their coverage.Somehow I can't picture Clinton being comfortable with any network's coverage during "Monicagate".And that is how it should be,IMO. Journalists should speak truth to power,just as the Founding Fathers would have wanted it.
I'm not going to defend Kieth.He is started to border on the buffoonism that I find quite distasteful (and uninformative).And Matthews?Don't know.He always seemed quite respectful of Mccain.But is it fair to paint MSNBC on the basis of Kieth?Aren't there 23 other hours of news.Unless he's had some kind of conversion,I don't think that Joe Scarborough has become a resident of "blueblogland".
Now I'm not up to my eyeballs in media analysis,and I don't keep a Fox diary.But I figured out that Fox has a serious Republican bias a long time before I ever imagined "Outfoxed" existed or was aware of "newshounds".
I think it was during the invasion of Iraq,when we were all waiting with bated breath for news of the WMD's.Fox reported that someone had found some 5 gallon plastic buckets in the desert,and they were speculating that perhaps they could have been used in handling chemical warfare agents.
Now this image stayed with me,because at the time my son was picking for a neighbor with about 20 acres in tomatoes.And the farmer used 5 gallon plastic buckets for his pickers.He had a few thousand of them.
So it sounded pretty dumb to suggest that the presence of 5 gal buckets had anything to do with WMD's.But the rest of the day,I continued to hear reference to this stupid buckets.Now why in God's name would they continue to talk about these damned buckets if they weren't trying to at least create the impression that the WMD's had been,or would shortly,be found.
O'Rielly and Hannity,too easy.
Chris Wallace?Saw his response to Bill Moyers on Redstate.He solved the dilemma of Rove's religousity by asking him.And the whole Watergate mess could have been resolved if Chris had asked Nixon,"Sir,are you a crook?"
Brit Hume?A 1/2 hour of straight news (maybe)followed by"The Beltway Boys".Hmmm,no bias there.
Well,I've already gone on far longer than I intended.Gotta stir the mushroom barley.
May 28, 2008, 11:59:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Another trademark of the infamous hack aka 'philby.'
"Gotta stir the mushroom barley."
Yet, another. I won't hold it against anyone who claimed I was wrong, nor, are apologies necessary.
May 28, 2008, 12:36:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

You might want to reread my post, nvh.
No where did I suggest that it is strictly an accusation of bluebloggers that FNC tilts to the right.
I did say that in order to make a comparison between the new and improved...MSNBC and FNC you have to think like blueblogger.
BTW-- it seems you've moved your argument from the position that MSNBC obviously tilts to the left (and to Obama specifically) and that this is the fault of Murdoch who opened the whole can of worms in the first place, to a position that argues that it's unfair to describe MSNBC as that simply because of Olbermann.
To use your argument, more people than mere conserrvatives and Hillary supporters have seen it and are writing about it. In fact the rhetoric of MSNBC's chief political correspondents is now becoming the stuff of punchlines...
May 28, 2008, 1:20:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby sucks, I stand by the comment I made on that subject, my friend.
May 28, 2008, 1:22:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Billo's just pissed off that McClellan's first cable news interview will be on Countdown with Keith.
May 28, 2008, 5:11:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Wow there's a shocker. I wonder if Keith will call McClellan a treasonous liar again.
May 28, 2008, 5:15:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Sorry to here about Mr. Snow. Here's to getting better...
May 28, 2008, 6:23:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Countdown's new website has the following descriptions:
On a link to Newshole:
"It's the blog from the cast and crew of the award-winning television news hour “Countdown with Keith Olbermann.”
"Countdown with Keith Olbermann - A Unique Newscast that Counts Down the Day's Top Stories"
Yep, it's a "news cast" and a "news hour".
Sure it is.
May 28, 2008, 7:49:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

NO ONE is in the tank for John McCain. Not Fox News, talk radio, websites. NO ONE.
Certainly most conservatives will vote for him, but he is the most unexciting candidate to come along since Bob Dole. I don't know ANYONE who is excited about the McCain candidacy, and I have never heard anyone on any of the venues I mentioned above who is avidly supporting him.
The MSM selected him, but now that the general election nears, they're dumping him for their "messiah", Obama. Let's just hope that the electorate realizes what has happened and goes who who THEY want, not who the media is pushing them towards.
May 28, 2008, 9:38:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

In my comment above, I twice stated that McCain was not "exciting". That was a general feeling but not a root cause.
The real reason most of us are not anxious to vote for him is because he has compromised so many conservative principles over the years, and we basically distrust him to carry out his responsibilities in a conservative manner. His "maverick" status has actually caused many of us to think of him as more as a traitor to his party at times.  
Out of the nine Republicans who began the presidential race, he was my ninth (last) choice. Let's just hope he selects a good running mate. That may make it a little easier for us to vote for him.
(Sorry this is off topic (not really cable newsy), but I had to clarify my earlier comments.
May 28, 2008, 9:43:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply

As for Tony Snow Let The Lords Will Be Done. I got that from Free Republic on a Kennedy post.
May 28, 2008, 10:24:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
That's a bit sick, real. Are you suggesting that because Snow has cancer it's the Lord's will? I hope you don't think the same of Teddy...
May 28, 2008, 10:50:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
The free republicer is as nasty as real... both seem to sadly suffer from mental illness.
May 28, 2008, 10:53:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
As for Tony Snow Let The Lords Will Be Done. I got that from Free Republic on a Kennedy post.
phony | 05.28.08 - 10:29 pm | #
Can you show us the actual post, phony?
May 28, 2008, 11:05:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
The dog pound is shaking in their kennel out of fear of being exposed. They're in search of "right wing hate" and they can't find any. LOL!
May 28, 2008, 11:11:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The comparsion of Snow with Kennedy is so low, so leftist.
May 28, 2008, 11:23:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Ask and You Shall Receive Non Believers...
Now tell me I'm a phony.
It's the 3rd comment. Keep reading there are more.
I'll wait for your apology.
May 29, 2008, 12:29:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply

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May 29, 2008, 12:30:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Hey Obly Sucks. How about these comments about killing Scott on the Free Republic. Wasn't hard to find at all. Everyday they post hate.  
Tonight at dinner, the lovely Mrs. Tick asked me “So what do you think of Scott McClellan”?
I gave her the honest answer: I would strangle him with my bare hands, were it legal and within my power to do so.
What filthy, stinking scum. I hope he rots.
Post 19 if you care.
Now what do you say Olby Sucks?
May 29, 2008, 12:35:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply

It's so easy to debate you people.
May 29, 2008, 12:36:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
These quotes from free republic commenters have zero connection to cable news. Zero. Drop it.
May 29, 2008, 1:18:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Free Republic is heavily moderated to ensure that comments such as what you may make do not appear. Anything cruel or distasteful is typically yanked immediately.  
Why did you fail to cite its "Mod Note", which reads "We're watching this thread and are more than happy to hand out suspensions."? And they mean it.  
And to tie this in to Cable News, O'Reilly mentinoned tonight that far left sites have many more cruel posts when someone from the "other side" is ill than vice versa.
May 29, 2008, 1:30:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply

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May 29, 2008, 1:34:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
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May 29, 2008, 1:43:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Sorry but I had to bring down the hammer on this. I said this was off-topic and asked it be dropped. That's about as strong a statement as I can make.
Please continue to comment here but do not go off-topic, especially when your humble administrator has just posted a warning not to do so!
May 29, 2008, 2:00:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Thank you Johnny.
May 29, 2008, 9:03:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply

BTW-- it seems you've moved your argument from the position that MSNBC obviously tilts to the left (and to Obama specifically) and that this is the fault of Murdoch who opened the whole can of worms in the first place, to a position that argues that it's unfair to describe MSNBC as that simply because of Olbermann.
I didn't think I stated that.Obviously Kieth has dropped everything but a pretence of non-partisanship.My question is merely,is it fair to color the entire 24 hour news cycle on MSNBC on the basis of what KO or even Matthews, are doing.Maybe KO is indicative of MSNBC news across the board,but whenever I've read criticism it has always been about KO,and to a lesser extent Matthews.
As for Murdoch,I think he opened the door with Fox. Not that no one else might have eventually decided to form a partisan network for the purpose of trimming off a little of the cable news market.I'm just giving him credit for doing it first.
Although I do have mixed feelings about changes to the mode of cable news,I'm not blaming anyone.Murdoch,and the execs at NBC are interested in making money,not doing a public service.
For example,Murdoch has come out in favor of addressing global Warming.But Fox continues to tow the line that it's all overhyped or bad science.I'd suggest that this is because much of the Fox audience would watch less if their inherent prejudice against Global Warming were disparaged.
May 29, 2008, 9:19:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
"He's crazy!" Murdoch on olbermahn.
May 29, 2008, 10:52:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
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real | 05.29.08 - 12:35 am | #  
Thank you Johnny.
real | 05.29.08 - 9:08 am | #  
May 29, 2008, 10:54:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply