3/9/10 12:24 AM

Tuesday Cable News Links and Open Thread

MSNBC's "creative" advertising.  Mika on Today.

Monday's numbers: Bill-Beck-Baier 1-2-3.  Friday's numbersWeekend numbers.

She's baaack (via ICN).  Keep it pithy.

Greta vs the egghead.  MSNBC devours website.

Mika makes book.  CNN bans Griffin?  Hotline after dark.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Scott
Does MSEARS buying the domain name "breakingnews.com" mean instead of 2 days after a story breaks it will be NEVER be heard on Obaseballmann's show?  Or does it mean Andrea Mitchell saying sometime in 2010 "BREAKING NEWS we just landed on the moon?"
January 5, 2010, 11:14:13 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
There is nothing better to start the New Year than having a quote from our favorite stooge at the Hen House.
 
How about the woman in Los Angeles that laid on the floor of the Emergency Room for a couple hours with people stepping over her, then she died there. Would you call that excellent health care for everyone?  
Posted by: john t on Tue 1.5 12:58am
 
Hey, Einstein, her death had nothing to do with health care. It had to do with the incompetence of the people at that particular hospital.
 
How could you not know that, since you are the poster boy for incompetence.
January 5, 2010, 11:32:43 AM EST – Like – Reply


IM Right
B - that was King Drew Hospital in South Los Angeles.  There had been major problems with that hospital for years and it was finally closed down.  You are absolutely right, it was clear incompetence.
January 5, 2010, 11:35:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
And wasn't that hospital in the congressional district of the idiot Maxine Waters?
January 5, 2010, 2:35:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
ok we're drifting off topic here.
January 5, 2010, 2:57:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
Maybe the newsliars should do some research:
 
Newsliars: "Fox Nation has their back and one assumes that this anonymous video will be front and center, on Fox Nation, for the foreseeable future. No partisanship there, nosireee."
 
The video comes from a youtube user named: gizgreen
 
The video starts off as pro-obama, but going by what is going on NOW, it turned negative.MM lied about the video also. I did a write up on it.
January 5, 2010, 6:42:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
When you click through to youtube it says clearly on the sidebar, "Creator Unknown".
 
The video isn't really pro-Obama. The claim is "We voted for you" and so forth and then they open up with both barrels, so to speak. What's odd about the video are those opening claims, as though it is supposed to be Obama supporters speaking who are now disappointed. Somehow I don't think people who voted for Obama are now the ones  screaming that he is a socialist.
 
What I can't understand is why whoever who put this astonishing video together wouldn't want to take credit for it.
January 5, 2010, 8:10:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


IM Right
MSNBC lying in their advertising?
 
Doesn't surprise me.
January 5, 2010, 6:51:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Guest
where is the lie?
January 6, 2010, 12:22:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
In grouping Matthews with the prime time lineup... and suggesting (falsely) that he beats CNN... which he doesn't.  It's... um... in the write up.
January 6, 2010, 12:24:29 AM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
well looks like I was wrong-the video is all over youtube-with different users posting it. and I might have found who did it:
 
http://lizblaine.com/2010/01/03/america-rising-an-open-letter-to-democrat-politicians/ This was in one of the comments:
 
"No, BuckRush created the video and deserves all of the credit for this amazing, inspirational video! And yes, it’s on youtube, I only embedded it here"
 
Now-why couldn't the newsliars use "the google" to find out who created it? like I did
January 5, 2010, 8:58:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
Looking into Buckrush, the person has a daily motion page: http://www.dailymotion.com/Buckrush with the video and a youtube page with the video: http://www.youtube.com/user/Buckrush.
 
The video is all over the web. Either Fox Nation found the video or was tipped off to the video. Either way: newsliars don't like the message, so they attack the messanger-it's so easy to do
January 5, 2010, 9:06:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
Chris, Buckrush has no tracks. The YouTube account was apparently created two days ago for the purpose of putting up that one video, and the other site has only the video and cites the YouTube page as Buckrush's homepage. So we are none the wiser. Buckrush clearly wants to remain anonymous and could just as easily be a Fox employee as an "ordinary Joe". The production reminds me of something you'd see on Glenn Beck's show, and so does the content. Given the general tone of Fox Nation and their involvement in promoting - not just reporting - tea parties and so on, it looks pretty suspicious to me.
 
Sorry if this is a duplicate post but JS-Kit seems to have eaten the first one.
January 5, 2010, 10:54:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


RICHARD SCHLOSSER
Of course it seems pretty suspicious to you. Do you have any facts that show in any way its a Fox employee or are you trying to get a job a Newpounds? Im sure to almost any Fox Hater....it would be pretty suspicious. I voted for Obama and Im damm mad at him......not for the same reasons a the tea parites....but mad all the same.
 
I also find it very weird that Fox haters demand proof when they show none about there weird pretty suspicious ideas.
January 6, 2010, 2:31:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
Richard, how about sticking to the topic and dropping the ad hominem attacks?
 
I too am annoyed with Obama but that has nothing to do with this discussion.
 
I just find it strange that  a video surfaces suddenly, put up by an apparently brand new internet entity (Buckrush) who has no tracks anywhere on the 'net that I can find, and almost immediately afterwards turns up as the lead story on a corporate site which appears to be dedicated to nothing other than pure, naked hatred for President Obama and his entire administration.
 
If you read my post I didn't say it's a fact or that my hunch was any more than that - a hunch, a suspicion. Sorry my little hunch upset you so much, dearie!  
January 6, 2010, 6:59:48 AM EST – Like – Reply


IM Right
Just curious, what was the ad hominem attack?
January 6, 2010, 11:38:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Excuse me if this isn't paranoid, pejorative, partisan, or plot-promoting enough, but how about this theory for the video: It's a viral video that is going along with the current "Democrats in trouble" meme that is the current news fodder of the past three days on nearly every cable show (I've been down with a sprained ankle.  I've watched them.), so someone at Fox Nation pops it up on the site.  
 
It's the vox populi conventional wisdom of the moment, guaranteed to inspire board commentary, part of the culture war stuff these sites love.  
 
What Fox Nation doesn't do is add commentary essentially saying that the piece must be from a bunch of 'whacko wing-nut white tea-bagging wred-necks (I'm sorry, I'm a bit stir-crazy) as some would have preferred.  
 
That Fox Nation should have added some type of commentary saying that no one knew where the video came from is arguable.  To argue that were PROMOTING the video by having it on the site is the sort of thinking that goes along with the accusation that Fox prompted Tea Parties by covering them.   
 
In a 24 hour news-talk cycle where it was and is all coverage all the time of polemics such as Cindy Shenhan war protesters, the 9/11 widows, Moveon.org internet Dem campaign money-raising, the boycott of advertisers on Glenn Beck, and most currently Huffington Post's efforts to pressure Dems leftward, the coverage as promotion argument is a bit one-sided.
January 6, 2010, 10:36:40 AM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
paranoid, pejorative, partisan, or plot-promoting ...  
 
A pretty good description of the Fox Nation website.  
 
Your theory is a possibility, all right. But taken in the context of the tone and content of Fox Nation ever since it began, it certainly is also not beyond the bounds of possibility that it's their own.  
 
It'll be interesting to see if the person who created the video ever takes "credit" for it. I mean, why wouldn't someone stand over a "viral" internet hit like that?  
 
As for the tea parties, the site certainly DID promote them. One example: on August 30th the front page featured - as its top headline - "All Aboard The Tea Party Express!Click Here!" with a big photo of a Tea Party bus. If that wasn't promotion, I don't know what was. I won't link to the site where I found that archived because it will give you all the heebie-jeebies   
 
As far as your list of "well they do it too", that's a red herring designed to draw away from this particular discussion of the Fox Natrion website, an internet arm of a CABLE NEWS network. Last time I looked, Huffpo wasn't cable news, nor was MoveOn.
January 6, 2010, 11:35:07 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, it's ironic that you would describe the simpliest and most straight forward theory (that Fox Nation used a viral video to generate comments on the week's all over cable buzz topic) as being a "possibility" on par with your "possibility" laden with your own presuppositions.  
 
I didn't argue that Huff-Po or Moveon.org were the same as cable news networks, I used the TV news coverage of the particular campaigns at these sites as a counter to the argument that coverage is tantamount to promotion.  
 
I have not issued a  "they do it too" red herring, I've said the opposite. I"ve made a direct statement that for a news agency to report upon, analyse, and generally cover protests, boycotts, drives, and such, is NOT tantamount to promoting them.
January 6, 2010, 12:36:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"It'll be interesting to see if the person who created the video ever takes "credit" for it. I mean, why wouldn't someone stand over a "viral" internet hit like that? "
 
Let's see, it occurs to you that the video might be from Glenn Beck's people or from another FNC employee, but the thought that the vid might be from someone who wished to remain anonymous rather than to take a thousand personal cuts, is a notion as yet unimaginable to you...
 
sheesh...
January 6, 2010, 12:59:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Methinks Foxy Lady  wants the video to be from Fox Nation so she will able to attack them. Sounds like a good candidate for the Hideous Hen House.
January 6, 2010, 2:00:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
Well, Cecelia, you're  wrong about the Tea Party promotion, so you might be wrong about this too. I guess we may or may not ever find out.  
 
But what is clear is that Fox Nation is neither fair nor balanced nor interested in constructive idea or dialogue about the issues of our time. Find me some articles there with positive headlines towards President Obama, or any liberal politician for that matter, from Fox Nation. What that site promotes, on behalf of Fox News - the channel that calls itself "Fair and Balanced", is the downfall of the current government in general and President Barack Obama in particular.  
 
That video fits right in with their agenda: get the Democrats out of the White House. Don't try to tell me that if the current buzz was something positive about our President that they would have given that top story status. and ditto if a video like that was produced about a Republican.  
 
Stop being so disingenuous. Oh, and Blackflon, there is PLENTY to criticize Fox Nation about without that video, soi how about adding something  of substance to the discussion instead of personal attacks?
January 6, 2010, 2:22:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
"Find me some articles there with positive headlines towards President Obama, or any liberal politician for that matter, from Fox Nation."  
 
I just looked and on the front page spotted a headline from David Corn, stating that it's silly to blame Obama for the Christmas bombing or the notion that he was 'distracted'. By the way, this is listed prominently under "featured talent".  
 
Now maybe you think David Corn is trying to promote the 'downfall of the current government', but I think Mr Corn might disagree with you. You seem to be unable, in any of your various guises, to discern the difference between a website dedicated to opinion and commentary vs one that reports the news. Even the commentary site that clearly leans to the right regularly has viewpoints from the left--like the David Corn piece I just mentioned that's featured on the front page. So let's try to avoid the hyperbole and stick to the facts. And please don't respond to this by claiming it's another 'personal attack'. Criticizing what you write is not the same thing as calling names. I'm sure you know sites that specialize in the latter.
January 6, 2010, 3:58:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
BL, based upon what you consider to be "clear" and substantive in a discussion, your words "don't try to tell me" must be from your family crest.
January 6, 2010, 3:28:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
Cecelia,  
That wasn't a very nice thing to say to BLackflon!   
 
Now how about you explain to me how Fox Nation is in any way fair, balanced, or lives up to the part of its mission statement which says,  
 
"We believe we should enjoy the company and support of each other, delighting in the creativity, ingenuity, and work ethic of one and all, while observing the basic rules of civility and mutual respect and, most importantly, strengthening our diverse society by striving for unity.  
The Fox Nation is for those committed to the core principles of tolerance, open debate, civil discourse--and fair and balanced coverage of the news. It is for those opposed to intolerance..."  
 
This from a website which does its utmost, on a daily basis, to promote a one-sided view of life in America on tis mains,  and allows comments to get through, not occasionally, but on a daily basis, suggesting or wishing for death or bodily harm to our President and government officials, to say nothing of liberals in general. Yes, on a daily basis, becuase I see and report them myself. And as for "fair and balanced coverage of the news...?"  
 
Don't make me laugh.  
 
So - DO tell me. What's fair and balanced about Fox Nation dot com?
January 6, 2010, 4:03:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
" a one-sided view of life in America on tis mains..."
PICTURES

January 6, 2010, 4:11:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I breezed through the Fox Nation home page and could not find where they claim to be fai and balanced. So, what is your point, Peg?
January 6, 2010, 5:50:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Her fallacious argument is that Fox Nation is not fair or balanced therefore it's as likely that they'd produce and stage a video as being from a former Obama supporter as to not do such a thing.
 
You not only have to buy the completely partisan angle, but also the notion that such a position predisposes to duplicity.
January 6, 2010, 6:20:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
I found this on Fox Nation Statement of purpose:
 
The Fox Nation is for those committed to the core principles of tolerance, open debate, civil discourse--and fair and balanced coverage of the news
 
All I did was search Fox Nation statement of purpose: http://www.thefoxnation.com/content/fox-nation-statement-purpose
January 6, 2010, 8:48:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Foxy Lady
You show me a screengrab of one article with a pro-Obama point of view among how many? On the sidebar? With no provision for on-site commenting - only offsite, for which people have to re-register?  
 
Come on, Dollar, even a blind man can see the rightwing bias and rabble-rousing intent on that frontpage. And if you have any doubt that it works, go read the comments.  
 
Now, I leave you all with these screengrabs which show a larger chunk of the page from which "Johnny Dollar" took his little snippet intended to show how fair and balanced Fox Nation is. The rest of the page goes on in similar vein, except for the entertainment section waaaayyyy down at the very bottom of the page, which - whoop-de-doooo! - is a bit more balanced.   
 
In any case, if I haven't provided enough screen grabs to make my point, go to the site yourselves and view the full page. A picture is worth a thousand words... but  I suspect that around here it is more appropriate to say that there are none so blind as those who will not see.  
 
Hasta la vista, y'all! It was real!  
 
  MMMMMMWAH!   
 
      ~~~Foxy~~~
PICTURES

Fox Nation frontpage, top, 5 PM EST, 1/6/10

Fox Nation frontpage, center, 5 PM EST, 1/6/10

Fox Nation frontpage, 5 PM EST, lower, 1/6/10
January 6, 2010, 5:34:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
One screengrab was all it took to disprove your claim that it was one-sided with no opposing point of view. Your screengrabs seem an effort to prove something nobody has disputed: it is a right-leaning opinion site. But it is not one-sided and exclusively right, as you falsely claimed. Otherwise you wouldn't have Dem writers to contribute regularly to the site.
 
But thank you for your comment.
January 6, 2010, 5:45:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"So - DO tell me. What's fair and balanced about Fox Nation dot com?"  
 
 
Why would anyone engage in that sort of discussion with you when you've already issued a rant and an order NOT to tell you what you don't already believe?  
 
You've insisted that your memes on Fox Nation are foregone conclusions because you illogically think such a standing put your conspiracy theories about this video on par with far more straight-forward and simplier alternatives. And now you just wish to continue to try and bolster your theories with the argument that Fox Nation isn't fair and balanced, therefore it's as likely as not that they made the vid and have hidden that fact.  
 
Since you don't have even a semblance of emotional distance in this discussion, you can't take the more rational stand that the simplier thing IS the most likely thing AND THEN add a caveat that you still wouldn't be utterly surprised if it was discovered that Fox Nation had featured its own video.  
 
No, in your book, to say that the video was personally produced by Glenn Beck and company or Rupert Murdoch is a theory on par with any other notion of where the thing originated.  Why?  Because it's Fox and they aren't fair or balanced, etc...etc..   
 
Don't ask me to help you chase your own tail.  You do just fine at that by yourself.
January 6, 2010, 6:03:35 PM EST – Like – Reply