3/3/09 1:21 PM

Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Wednesday's numbers. Tuesday's numbers.

GretaPix: Clinton interview.

Profile: Erin Burnett.

Clueless Joe (via TVN)?

Julie subs on The Live Desk!

Santelli's storm.

Heroes: volume three.

CNBC's misdirected raid?

Hotline after dark.

Geraldo in Corpus Christi.

Leftists still jockeying (via ICN).

Cable's couple (via TVN). More.

Graphics groundbreaker gone.

Vote: Uma v Trace.

MSNBC tweeters: Six Sigma? Um, no.

Leave It to Baier:


Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Puck30
Okay, this comes in a day late. I've seen this on some cable line ups around the country. I'll just use Comcast Scranton PA Channel Line-up (because I was there) for an example. CNN & MSNBC get prime spots while FNC is put way up in the line-up by itself.
 
If this is a true pattern, it does make their ratings that much more impressive.
 
http://www.comcast.com/Customers/Clu/ChannelLineup.ashx?area=0
February 19, 2009, 1:25:38 AM EST – Like – Reply


gretalover
I saw the picture of Hannity carrying the ladder.
 
I wish you two the best as you elope.
February 19, 2009, 7:56:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
John King and Dana Bash are just adorable!
 
I had no idea that they were married.
 
Great video: Cable couple!
February 19, 2009, 10:58:37 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Wow! On Tuesday, looka like Beck, Bill, Bret, Hannity, Greta, Shep either had more viewers than CNN/MSNBC/HLN combined or came very close to matching the combined totals.
 
Great job Fox!
February 19, 2009, 1:24:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Awesome Santelli clip.
 
I love free speech!
February 19, 2009, 1:53:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Great to see Beck on a surge....
February 19, 2009, 2:13:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Johnny - Lurkerlou mentions you in comments on the MSNBC Twitter article. He's trying to remember a quote from you regarding twitter.
February 19, 2009, 2:37:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Will Olber-Psycho make a CNBC staffer WPITW?
February 19, 2009, 2:39:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Ashley, I noticed that. I think he's thinking of this:
 
Twitter is somebody's Big Idea of a way to send messages that are so short you have to misspell everything and hope that the reader can decipher it. It's a real great advance in communication.
February 19, 2009, 2:55:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Hey guys, can someone tell me what democrats, left-leaning hosts etc... have their own show on Fox. Thanks.
February 19, 2009, 3:37:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Geraldo.
February 19, 2009, 3:54:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
I noticed the Friends were outraged this morning because the NYT had the US troop increase in Afghanistan below the fold on the front page....What are the NYT thinking....hiding this story right on the front page....The Friends are right....No one is going to notice it there.

Edited By Siteowner
February 19, 2009, 3:54:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 3:42 pm |
 
That's a simple answer....A big fat 0
February 19, 2009, 3:55:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Greta.
February 19, 2009, 3:58:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 4:03 pm |
 
Excuse me....While I choke laughing :lol:
February 19, 2009, 4:00:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Unbelievable.
 
The story about the many journalists who are leaving their positions to join the Obama government was just released yesterday, and we have some here worried about a few conservative pundits having their own show, where they allow the left's point of view to be expressed by skillfull adversaries.
 
Wow.
 
The MSM is blatently leftist and then there is FNC, offerring balance and fairness, and some feel it is wrong.
 
I shake my head at the ignorance.
February 19, 2009, 4:27:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Re: Clueless Joe
 
The Nation piece gets the Morning Joe dynamics right between Joe and Mika, but they're off base when it comes to those between he and Erin Burnett.
 
Burnett is not Joe's unattainable sexy next door neighbor, who inspires lust that drives him to bullying her. She's more the golden kid sister who he resents because she never has to work as hard as he does.
 
Still the piece is correct about Joe as Everyman...Every-Joe...every Paleo-White-Guy...etc... struggling to adjust and to please his bosses. In order to do that, Joe must juggle an elite narrative imperative which insists that he and his are now passe, with his own recognition that this narrative utterly belies the facts on the ground.
 
The Nation gets that right, alright, but in the process the magazine reveals its harsh disdain for the key thing that has made the show popular (to their great puzzlement). Joe IS Every-Joe.  
 
Despite what the writer of the piece describes as a new "sunlit era", it's clear that it's still a less than perfect world to The Nation.
 
If things were exactly as they wished, they'd have ole Every-Joe hanging from the lightposts.
February 19, 2009, 4:35:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
You're always going to have a disconnect with these folks, Johnny.
 
Any media personality who has ever treated a conservative as having any sort of legitimacy, is by default a conservative in their book.
February 19, 2009, 4:41:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
just watching Cavuto....Can someone please tell me what the hell the octuplet woman has to do with business...Apart from what lip gloss she buys. Next topic is about the Chimp going wild...Again isn't this supposed to be a business programme? Thankfully I have CNBC for all my business needs.
February 19, 2009, 4:55:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Geraldo's show was cancelled according to Wikipedia. Is Greta the only one, and what is that based on?
 
According to what I'm reading her dad was a good friend of Joe mccarthy (hardly a liberal) and she appears to be pretty cozy with Sarah palin in the interviews I'm seeing. Also it looks like she is rarely covering politics am I wrong on this?
February 19, 2009, 4:56:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Wikipedia? Are you joking? Geraldo's show was not cancelled.
 
"her dad was a good friend of Joe mccarthy"
 
OK, that's got to be the most bizarre argument yet. And doubly ironic since it is a guilt-by-association argument. You know, just like the ones used by, um, Joe McCarthy? Greta's husband is a big-time Dem fund-raiser. She didn't choose her dad, but she did choose her husband.
 
If you think Greta rarely covers politics and Geraldo's show doesn't exist any more, it would appear that you watch little or no Fox News. I think you need to get a bit more knowledgeable on this subject.
February 19, 2009, 5:02:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
and we have some here worried about a few conservative pundits having their own show
cee | 02.19.09 - 4:32 pm |
 
A FEW....It's the whole news channel that's conservative....Granted Shep is the most balanced...But after his early show we have 2 hours of conservative talk (Cavuto/Beck)
February 19, 2009, 5:06:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
guilt-by-association argument.  
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:07 pm |
 
Come on Johnny that's a bit rich....I didn't hear you use that argument when Hannity was doing the guilt-by-association with Obama.
February 19, 2009, 5:09:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"her dad was a good friend of Joe mccarthy"
 
OK, that's got to be the most bizarre argument yet. And doubly ironic since it is a guilt-by-association argument.  
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:07 pm | #
 
Should we call it "guilt by association"?  
 
Greta's sister also ran for the senate as a Democrat, so I'll raise you one Democrat relative...  
February 19, 2009, 5:12:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
1. Nobody asked me if Hannity was a liberal, or a conservative or anything else.
 
B. I don't recall Hannity attacking someone based on the fact that their father was somebody's friend.
February 19, 2009, 5:12:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Good points, Cece. Also, Greta is getting pretty cozy again with Bill Clinton tonight. For, what, the fifth time? Sixth? I've lost count.
February 19, 2009, 5:14:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Again isn't this supposed to be a business programme? Thankfully I have CNBC for all my business needs.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:00 pm | #  
 
I suspect after today, Pres. Obama is a Cavuto fan...  
February 19, 2009, 5:19:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
I'd like to point out....you're more lightly to form your political leanings from your family than you husband.
February 19, 2009, 5:20:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Greta is getting pretty cozy again with Bill Clinton tonight. For, what, the fifth time? Sixth? I've lost count.
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:19 pm | #  
 
Oh, dear, Johnny, you're bring this discussion around to YOUR content, Johnny.
 
That wasn't the plan...
February 19, 2009, 5:22:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:19 pm |
 
Bill Clinton is doing the rounds of most news channels...just looks as if he's left FNC till last...let's hope we get another Bill on fire performance...like the Wallace one.
February 19, 2009, 5:22:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Yeah, Cece brought up a good point, Haggis. You've said nothing about Rick Santelli's outburst on CNBC today. I know that you'd rather not talk about it since it's an actual link in today's post, and you prefer your own topics.
 
But since you said CNBC covers all your business news needs, why don't you expound a bit on Santelli's comments today and why you consider them to be your type of business news?
February 19, 2009, 5:23:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:28 pm |
 
I'll give it a look and get back to you....I really should have said CNBC/Europe
February 19, 2009, 5:25:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'd like to point out....you're more lightly to form your political leanings from your family than you husband.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:25 pm
 
Just to go along with this illogical tripe-- so much for Greta's sister...eh, Einstein?...
February 19, 2009, 5:26:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
let's hope we get another Bill on fire performance...like the Wallace one.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:27 pm | #  
 
Keep your fingers crossed. As we saw from the way ole Bill treated Obama after he won the nomination, all it takes is less than reverential treatment.
February 19, 2009, 5:31:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'll give it a look and get back to you....I really should have said CNBC/Europe  
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:30 pm | #  
 
Your impersonation of Emily Latella just never gets old, Haggis.
February 19, 2009, 5:33:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Well the Santelli clip most certainly puts to bed the great lie that NBC are left leaning in there entirety.  
 
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 5:31 pm |
 
I think you need to re-read my post....I said "more lightly" not absolutely.
February 19, 2009, 5:34:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
So tell us Haggis why you admire that reporting more than, say, the reporting on FBN? In your own words.
February 19, 2009, 5:40:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I think you need to re-read my post....I said "more lightly" not absolutely.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:39 pm | #  
 
"more lightly" indeed...
February 19, 2009, 5:45:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:45 pm |
 
I've never seen FBN....We don't get it over here....So I can't comment....Sorry.
 
Emily Latella
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 5:38 pm |  
 
Can't say i've ever heard of her...But after quick google....she sounds like a good egg and I'll have to dig up some of her clips if avalible.
February 19, 2009, 5:46:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Wikipedia? Are you joking? Geraldo's show was not cancelled."
 
Why would I be joking? I made a statement of fact, According to wikipedia the show Geraldo at large is cancelled. if it's not that is okay with me. Just saying what I saw. If it is still on the air then the question for grammie, is out of curiosity why do you think Geraldo is a liberal? Seems pretty conservative to me so Why do you think that?
 
"OK, that's got to be the most bizarre argument yet. And doubly ironic since it is a guilt-by-association argument. You know, just like the ones used by, um, Joe McCarthy?"  
 
Man, I'd feel really abashed if I were making an argument, but I'm not.. I read a bio of Greta, that mentioned two things, her dad was a friend of Joe Mccarthy (again hardly a liberal) and she has a legal degree. Not a lot to form an opinion on is it? In fact there is nothing to form an opinion on, and only one thing that points in any direction at all.  
So as you see, I made no argument of anykind. In fact, it will be real easy to tell when I make an argument, because I'll be advocating something. When I do that it'll be your great be tip-off that I'm trying to debate a point of view.
 
"Greta's husband is a big-time Dem fund-raiser. She didn't choose her dad, but she did choose her husband."
 
Well, that is fair and provides a bit more info on her. However, of course that is no more proof she is a liberal than her father's association to McCarthy makes her a conservative.  
So my question remains, Why do you think she is a liberal?
 
If you think Greta rarely covers politics and Geraldo's show doesn't "exist any more, it would appear that  
you watch little or no Fox News. "
 
I watch it now and then. Not 24/7, usually when I'm home from work which includes the prime time line up of O'Reilly and Hannity. I usually turn it off before' Greta's show comes on. the few times I watched it seem to be stories there were decidely not political in nature. I did see the Palin interview though on youtube.
 
"I think you need to get a bit more knowledgeable on this subject. "
 
Hence the questions. Specifically, who else would you say besides Greta is left-leaning and what do you base that on?
February 19, 2009, 5:47:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"I don't recall Hannity attacking someone based on the fact that their father was somebody's friend."
 
I don't recall doing it myself.
February 19, 2009, 5:49:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well the Santelli clip most certainly puts to bed the great lie that NBC are left leaning in there entirety.  
 
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:39 pm | #
 
Only if you view every opinion that opposes the administration as being sheerly a matter of ideology and politics.
 
That you DO view things that way, is why a discussion of who is right or left, is useless with you.
February 19, 2009, 5:50:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Why would I be joking? "
 
Because Wikipedia is a joke of a source, filled with rampant errors and false statements. And also because Geraldo's show has been going strong for years.
 
"that is no more proof she is a liberal"
 
That's amusing. It was the (false) claim that Carl Cameron's wife was campaigning for Bush that was offered as "proof" (in the infamous "Outfoxed" video) that Cameron is a Republican. Now, apparently, that dog doesn't hunt any more. Oh well, I tried.
 
"Why do you think she is a liberal?"
 
Oh because her whole family is: her husband, her sister. Because she was a vociferous defender of Bill Clinton. Because of her stands on issues (you can read thru her blog if you want more details on any of this).
 
"who else would you say besides Greta is left-leaning and what do you base that on?"
 
I can think of a half-dozen people who fall into that category. But I'm going to pass on that, and risk that teacher will give me an 'incomplete'.
February 19, 2009, 5:54:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
"Why do you think she is a liberal?"
Oh because her whole family is
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:59 pm |
 
Thank you for backing up my claim that you're more lightly going to form your political opinions from your family.
But this isn't always the case....hence my use of "more lightly"....believe it or not my whole family is Conservative....Not way out there like the FNC folk....But moderates and I'm centre left.
February 19, 2009, 6:05:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I didn't say anything about what makes something "more lightly". I listed a bunch of reasons. I didn't say any of them were "more likely" to be dispositive. In fact, the most dispositive of all is the record of her opinions. So please do not twist what I say.
 
Cece, I think we now have a bar set. Haggis must have liked the CNBC report because he had no problems with it. So from this point on we'll have a point of comparison.
February 19, 2009, 6:09:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Because Wikipedia is a joke of a source, filled with rampant errors and false statements. And also because Geraldo's show has been going strong for years."
 
Well, if I were advocating a postion, offering wikipedia up as proof of something. I'd worry about it. But alas, I'm not. If the show is still on good for Geraldo. So it is established. Geraldo has a show and Grammie thinks it's a liberal one. I'm now curious why she feels that way.  
 
"That's amusing. It was the (false)claim that Carl Cameron's wife was campaigning for Bush that was offered as "proof" (in the infamous "Outfoxed" video) that Cameron is a Republican. Now, apparently, that dog doesn't hunt any more. Oh well, I tried."
 
And I would care about someone else's argument in a movie I haven't seen why?  
 
"Oh because her whole family is: her husband, her sister. "
 
But not her father  not that anyoe is offering this up as proof, we hope.  
 
"Because she was a vociferous defender of Bill Clinton. Because of her stands on issues (you can read thru her blog if you want more details on any of this)."  
 
Great, good to know. I was curious why you beleived that. Perhaps if I'm bored I'll read through her blog.
 
"I can think of a half-dozen people who fall into that category. "But I'm going to pass on that,
 
Really? That's too bad. I was hoping the source of truth regarding fox news would have that answer. Does anyone else by chance know?  
 
" that teacher will give me an 'incomplete'."
 
If you mean me, I don't grade.
February 19, 2009, 6:10:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 5:55 pm |
 
I actually agree with some of what Santelli said....Shock horror....but I also understand why the administration is doing what they are doing.
February 19, 2009, 6:11:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Shizznle,  
 
If you didn't think it was relevant that Greta's father knew Joe McCarth then why did you bring it up?
 
You certainly didn't preface the information with the fact that there was little else concerning politics in the Wiki piece. Instead you made the comment that McCarthy is "hardly a liberal", as though she would share what you're only assuming are her father's politics (based on a friendship with McCarthy that he formed in law school).
 
Now you've back off that silly argument when confronted with information about her other family members.
 
I know Greta is liberal because I watch her. You admittedly don't. No, she doesn't do an Olbermann and tell POTUS to "shut the hell up", but I know where she stands.  
 
I feel confident that you THINK you do simply by virtue of her appearing on FNC.
February 19, 2009, 6:11:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
.I really should have said CNBC/Europe
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:30 pm | #  
 
Cecelia, can you get on this, please?
February 19, 2009, 6:14:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Woops, I see you already covered it, my bad...
February 19, 2009, 6:16:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
But this isn't always the case....hence my use of "more lightly"....believe it or not my whole family is Conservative....Not way out there like the FNC folk....But moderates and I'm centre left.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 6:10 pm | # 
 
So there's also a gap in this discussion pertaining to differences in nationality--- further making the discussion moot.
February 19, 2009, 6:16:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I actually agree with some of what Santelli said....Shock horror....but I also understand why the administration is doing what they are doing.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 6:16 pm | # 
 
LOL! On one hand you don't think people losing their homes should be bailed out and on the other you think they should? Ok, then.
February 19, 2009, 6:17:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Cece, Greta father's friendship with the guy he was in Law School with has to be relevant, because McCarthy was "hardly a liberal". And it had a huge effect on Greta. I mean, when McCarthy died, Greta was...um...well, she was two years old.
February 19, 2009, 6:17:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"I was hoping the source of truth regarding fox news would have that answer. "
 
It does. But it's not the Help Desk at the local library. And it's not disposed to take up valuable time with one question after another when every answer provided gets a "yeah, well what about this, and how do you prove that" response. If I want to be grilled, I'll ask to go on The Factor.
February 19, 2009, 6:19:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Guest
"Because Wikipedia is a joke of a source, filled with rampant errors and false statements. And also because Geraldo's show has been going strong for years."
 
Actually it is a great starting place for information. Not definitive of course as it does contain errors. luckily for me, I wasn't useing it to advocate position merely pointing something out. So it is established. Geraldo has a show and Grammie thinks it's liberal. Now the question I have is why does Grammie think that?
 
"That's amusing. It was the (false) claim that Carl Cameron's wife was campaigning for Bush that was offered as "proof" (in the infamous "Outfoxed" video) that Cameron is a Republican. Now, apparently, that dog doesn't hunt any more. Oh well, I tried."
 
And I should care about someone else's argument in a movie I haven't seen why? 
 
"Oh because her whole family is: her husband, her sister." 
 
But not her father.  You shouldn't do guilt by association, it makes you look bad. 
 
"Because she was a vociferous defender of Bill Clinton. Because of her stands on issues (you can read thru her blog if you want more details on any of this)."
 
That's a great idea. I'll google and find it. 
 
"I can think of a half-dozen people who fall into that category. But I'm going to pass on that, "
 
That's too bad, I was hoping the source for truth regarding fox news would be able to answer that. Does anyone else know? 
 
"and risk that teacher will give me an 'incomplete'."
 
Hmm, If I take up teaching I might start handing those out.
February 19, 2009, 6:20:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 6:22 pm | #
 
I once shook hands with Mayor David Dinkins, fomer NYC mayor.
 
Does that mean I'm really a liberal???????? 
February 19, 2009, 6:22:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
.I really should have said CNBC/Europe
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 5:30 pm | #
 
Cecelia, can you get on this, please?
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 6:19 pm | # 
 
Are you kidding, OS. 
 
I have got HIM looking up SNL clips...
February 19, 2009, 6:22:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Come on johnny....I never sang the praises for her reporting....I think you'll find I was talking about her high ratings...She did whack Bill in the ratings (demo) for a good week or so.
Haggis | 02.18.09 - 3:07 pm | # 
 
I can't help but notice that Haggis doesn't seem to notice her current high ratings, the whacking of Keith Olbermann in the ratings (demo) she is doing quite often these days.
February 19, 2009, 6:25:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
out of curiosity why do you think Geraldo is a liberal? Seems pretty conservative to me so Why do you think that?
 
by sizzler
 
Geraldo is all for open borders and is very much pro choice. This is getting politicky, but, it needs to be addressed to make the point.
February 19, 2009, 6:25:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Cece, Greta father's friendship with the guy he was in Law School with has to be relevant, because McCarthy was "hardly a liberal". And it had a huge effect on Greta. I mean, when McCarthy died, Greta was...um...well, she was two years old.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 6:22 pm | # 
 
Well, you know those early formative years, Johnny...
 
It's strictly an assumption that McCarthy's politics informed Greta's father. Their's was a friendship that developed before McCarthy was politically active. 
 
We all have loved friends from our youth whose politics differ sharply from our own.
February 19, 2009, 6:28:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Because I not only lean right but I am right, with a dollop of libertarian, and it has been my experience that Geraldo and I rarely agree.
 
I don't make an effort to see him but he has and still is around enough for me to make the judgment.
 
I think he meets the definition "left leaning" easily. I think it would be another matter altogether to describe him as far left.
February 19, 2009, 6:30:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"If you didn't think it was relevant that Greta's father knew Joe McCarth then why did you bring it up?"
 
Because as I stated, the bio I read mentioned two things. her legal background and her pop's friendship. Johnny says she is a liberaal. the only two things I knew about her was her pop's firned and her legal BG. I then asked, why everyone else Why Johnny Thought she was a liberal. Meaning i was open to hearing his reasoning. 
 
"You certainly didn't preface the information with the fact that there was little else concerning politics in the Wiki piece."
 
Why would I. I want to know why Others say she is a liberal. I'm not trying to convince you she's not. 
 
"Now you've back off that silly argument when confronted with information about her other family members."
 
Actually I backed off when Dollar accused me of making an argument when I did not. I asked a question. 
 
"I know Greta is liberal because I watch her."
 
So why do you feel that, what gives you that impression. Do you think others on Fox are liberal?
 
"You admittedly don't."
 
true. That is why I asked why others thought she was a liberal. 
 
"I feel confident that you THINK you do simply by virtue of her appearing on FNC."
 
Well, that's great. If you are asked in a trivia game what my views are you can confidently offer that up. Now my question is who else is liberal and why do you think so.
February 19, 2009, 6:30:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
I have got HIM looking up SNL clips...
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:27 pm |
 
And HE found some....Thanks for mentioning her name....She's very entertaining and funny.
February 19, 2009, 6:33:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Cece, Greta father's friendship with the guy he was in Law School with has to be relevant, because McCarthy was "hardly a liberal". And it had a huge effect on Greta. I mean, when McCarthy died, Greta was...um...well, she was two years old."
 
Hmm, You know just playing devil's advocate a person, might be inclined to be sceptical of a claim that someone's a liberal when one of the two things they read demonstrate she may have been raised in a conservative household. A person might point that out and then ask, "what relevent information do you have that is different." The might say, " Why do you beleive that, the one piece of info I have here is different?"
 
I take you must take everything at face value.
February 19, 2009, 6:35:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Geraldo is all for open borders and is very much pro choice. This is getting politicky, but, it needs to be addressed to make the point.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 6:30 pm | # 
 
And just to show you how tenuous these "proofs" can get-- so does Lindsey Graham.
February 19, 2009, 6:35:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Are you kidding, OS. 
 
I have got HIM looking up SNL clips...
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:27 pm | # 
 
I was making light of what you said about me "spending hours on end" on haggy. Humor!
February 19, 2009, 6:38:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
" I read a bio of Greta, that mentioned two things, her dad was a friend of Joe Mccarthy (again hardly a liberal) and she has a legal degree. "
 
Is there some reason you are not telling us where this bio is that you read?
February 19, 2009, 6:40:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"It does. But it's not the Help Desk at the local library.And it's not disposed to take up valuable time with one question after another when every answer provided gets a "yeah, well what about this, and how do you prove that" response. If I want to be grilled, I'll ask to go on The Factor."
 
That's too bad. It makes my search for liberals on fox news that much harder. Does anyone else have an answer on that? Please be warned, I'm curious why you beleive what you believe as well. 
 
I say this to forwarn those, who might get a great deal of anxiety when asked how they formed their opinions.
February 19, 2009, 6:41:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
This was your original question:
 
Hey guys, can someone tell me what democrats, left-leaning hosts etc... have their own show on Fox. Thanks.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 3:42 pm | # 
 
This is what you say was your motive for asking it:
 
"I want to know why Others say she is a liberal. I'm not trying to convince you she's not."
 
Well, great. Then you've been duly answered with sincerity from both Johnny and myself.
 
Move on, folks, nothing more to see here...
February 19, 2009, 6:42:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Is there some reason you are not telling us where this bio is that you read?"
 
Sure no one asked.
February 19, 2009, 6:42:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK, consider it asked. Where is it?
February 19, 2009, 6:42:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Shizznle...You're making good point...But please remember....These folk are the hardest of hard core Fox fans.
February 19, 2009, 6:44:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Are you kidding, OS.
 
I have got HIM looking up SNL clips...
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:27 pm | #
 
I was making light of what you said about me "spending hours on end" on haggy. Humor!
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 6:43 pm | # 
 
I got that. I thought you'd find it a hoot that I had HIM doing work for a change.
February 19, 2009, 6:44:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Shizznle...You're making good point...But please remember....These folk are the hardest of hard core Fox fans.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 6:49 pm | # 
 
What point is that, Haggis?
February 19, 2009, 6:46:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Hmm, I'll offer that info in trade. Tell me who the other liberals are on Fox and I'll tell you where I read about Greta.
February 19, 2009, 6:46:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Hey guys, can someone tell me what democrats, left-leaning hosts etc... have their own show on Fox. Thanks.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 3:42 pm | # 
 
That is the question I answered. Now you are saying:
 
"So it is established. Geraldo has a show and Grammie thinks it's a liberal one. I'm now curious why she feels that way. "
 
That is a horse of a different color. I don't think I know enough about him to say yay or nay to his show being totally "liberal".
 
BTW, I agree that Greta leans left and I suspect Shepherd Smith may be slightly left of center. I base my opinion on all three on my own political ideology and how they impress me in their reporting/
February 19, 2009, 6:47:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I got that. I thought you'd find it a hoot that I had HIM doing work for a change.
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:49 pm | # 
 
If could do that, you are the one to lead this country!
 
Cecelia '12!
February 19, 2009, 6:47:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I think he meets the definition "left leaning" easily. I think it would be another matter altogether to describe him as far left.
Grammie | 02.19.09 - 6:35 pm | # 
 
I think the most appropriate description of Geraldo is "idiot". 
February 19, 2009, 6:47:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Hmm, I'll offer that info in trade. Tell me who the other liberals are on Fox and I'll tell you where I read about Greta.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 6:51 pm | # 
 
TRANSLATION:
 
I have no idea where I read the Greta Bio, or even why I wanted to read a Greta Bio, I just need to stall for time. Now, tell me who those other libs are.
February 19, 2009, 6:49:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Hmm, I'll offer that info in trade."
 
So it wasn't because you weren't asked. Because when you were asked, you still won't answer.
 
Thanks for your comment.
February 19, 2009, 6:50:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Greta is getting pretty cozy again with Bill Clinton tonight. For, what, the fifth time? Sixth? I've lost count.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 5:19 pm |
 
But of late she has been very very cosy with Palin...So going by your logic she must be conservative now.
February 19, 2009, 6:51:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"BTW, I agree that Greta leans left and I suspect Shepherd Smith may be slightly left of center. I base my opinion on all three on my own political ideology and how they impress me in their reporting/"
 
Fair enough. So in your opinion there are at least three maybe more.
February 19, 2009, 6:52:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If could do that, you are the one to lead this country!
 
Cecelia '12!
Ashley | 02.19.09 - 6:52 pm | # 
 
I think I'll run on a populist platform of "lazy and shiftless"....
February 19, 2009, 6:52:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
That wasn't my logic, Haggis. Please, reading comprehension.
February 19, 2009, 6:52:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"So it wasn't because you weren't asked. Because when you were asked, you still won't answer."
 
Actually no. It was because I wasn't asked. However, when asked I changed my mind in order to get information. 
 
"Thanks for your comment."
 
Your so very welcome.
February 19, 2009, 6:53:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Johnny, I nominate Cecelia for commentator of the month, at least.
February 19, 2009, 6:54:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"That wasn't my logic, Haggis. Please, reading comprehension"
 
Well you did say when asked:
 
" 'Why do you think she is a liberal?' "
 
"Oh because her whole family is: her husband, her sister. Because she was a vociferous defender of Bill Clinton."
February 19, 2009, 6:55:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
I think the most appropriate description of Geraldo is "idiot".
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:52 pm |
 
marvellous....you don't agree with him....so he must be an idiot....going by that logic....you must think the majority of your fellow Americans are idiots.
February 19, 2009, 6:56:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I am impressed! Cecelia, I don't have a CotM, but you are definitely Commenter of the Day. I never thought I'd see it happen, but you managed somehow to wrangle Haggis into defending Fox News. You laid the trap and he leaped into it. Congrats, CotD!
February 19, 2009, 6:58:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny, in your politico site piece on John King and his wife, Dana Bash, this is a great quote:
 
"It helps, Bash said, when journalists take the time to develop relationships with political players even before they are at the center of the media storm."
 
Greta did that with the Palins and consequently she got the money quote scoop from Bristol Palin about her mother's philosophy on abstinence teaching as being "unrealistic".
February 19, 2009, 7:01:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
marvellous....you don't agree with him....so he must be an idiot....going by that logic....you must think the majority of your fellow Americans are idiots.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 7:01 pm | # 
 
Haggy - you specifically told us that you do not speculate, you only deal in facts. Now it appears you are speculating.C'mon Hag, please stay consistent.
 
and thank you for finally defending the number one cable news network!
February 19, 2009, 7:04:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
but you managed somehow to wrangle Haggis into defending Fox
Johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
When on earth did I do that?
February 19, 2009, 7:05:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I appreciate it, Johnny, but as much as I love getting the CotD award, I'm going to have to decline this one.
 
I don't think I deserve it. Afterall, it's not like it takes work to confuse Haggis.
February 19, 2009, 7:06:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
marvellous....you don't agree with him....so he must be an idiot....going by that logic....you must think the majority of your fellow Americans are idiots.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 7:01 pm | # 
 
Why in the world would you assume that I have no respect for Geraldo simply because I might disagree with his politics?
February 19, 2009, 7:09:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"I have no idea where I read the Greta Bio, or even why I wanted to read a Greta Bio, I just need to stall for time. Now, tell me who those other libs are."
 
You caught me. I have no idea. You're very clever to see throught my ruse.
February 19, 2009, 7:09:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Cleverness not required.
February 19, 2009, 7:11:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
So anyway,
 
Got a nice answer from Grammie, Who does everyone else think is a liberal on Fox news? 
 
I ask because I'm curious about the divide in perception between left and right. Who would the right hold up, as a liberal on fox news and why?
February 19, 2009, 7:11:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Cleverness not required."
 
Well, I'll fit right in then.
February 19, 2009, 7:12:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
There is a treasure trove of telling quotes and reporting in "still jockeying."
 
It might be more interesting than replying to disengeuous queries, feigned interest and "Let's Make a Deal" with Schnizzle subhosting for Monty Hall.
 
Excerpt from "jockeying"-
 
They all hope that MSNBC will choose a host cast from the same left-leaning mold as Olbermann and Rachel Maddow, who have helped power the cable channel's ratings.
 
"You have a block with two unabashedly progressive voices that doesn't exist anywhere else on cable news," said Markos Moulitsas Zúniga, founder of Daily Kos, who urged his readers to back Seder for the spot. "We want to take advantage of locking up that third hour, if we can."
 
MSNBC President Phil Griffin said he's not necessarily looking for someone who shares the political leanings of Olbermann and Maddow, but is delighted by the response.
 
"If people identify with us, I'm thrilled," he said.
 
"Obviously, we're going to have flow between our shows," Griffin added. "But it isn't going to be ideology that drives it. I want that hour to be edgy, to be smart, to be a little snarky."
February 19, 2009, 7:16:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
So anyway, Got a nice reply from Grammie, Not many other nice replies though. I am asking who does everyone here think of as a liberal with their own show on fox news and why do you think that? (this seemed to cause Johnny Dollar considerable agitation. Hopefully others can answer this part without too much stress.)
 
I ask because I am curious about the divide in perception between liberal and conservative. I curious where the lines are.
February 19, 2009, 7:16:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
but you managed somehow to wrangle Haggis into defending Fox
Johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
Come on johnny your stalling here...I'm needing proof of your claim.
February 19, 2009, 7:19:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Shiz, it's not necessary to post what is essentially the same message twice, especially when you use the second version to display your Kreskin-like abilities to read my thoughts. If people want to engage you they will do so without multiple posts to hammer the message home. Of course, they may be a bit reluctant to answer questions from someone who, when asked a question, decides "I've changed my mind" and won't answer it. But that's entirely up to them.
February 19, 2009, 7:19:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
I want that hour to be edgy, to be smart, to be a little snarky."
vstol | 02.19.09 - 7:21 pm |
 
Johnny is for ever saying my comments are snarky...Maybe I should apply
February 19, 2009, 7:22:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"It's not necessary to post what is essentially the same message twice, especially when you use the second version to display your Kreskin-like abilities to read my thoughts. "
 
Oh no, I was forming an opinion based on having read your comments. Purly my perception. Also, I didn't just re-state my question. I also provided my reasoning for asking the question in the first place. 
 
"If people want to engage you they will do so without multiple posts to hammer the message home. "
 
Good enough I won't ask the question again and the reason for the question is now out there. 
 
"Of course, they may be a bit reluctant to answer questions from someone who, when asks a question, decides "I've changed my mind" and won't answer it. But that's entirely up to them."
 
Well, That's true. Although if they are willing to share information instead of whining about how they are not a library, I'll certainly be willing to share info as well.
February 19, 2009, 7:23:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"It might be more interesting than replying to disengeuous queries, feigned interest and "Let's Make a Deal" with Schnizzle subhosting for Monty Hall."
 
Are you suggesting I should share information with one who withholds it from me? I'm sorry I'm just not able to do that.
February 19, 2009, 7:29:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, That's true. Although if they are willing to share information instead of whining about how they are not a library, I'll certainly be willing to share info as well.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 7:28 pm | # 
 
Any takers?
 
Oh, well...
February 19, 2009, 7:30:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 7:21 pm |
 
I'll have a go.
 
1. Shep smith
2. William George Hemmer...but his leanings get way over shadowed by Kelly...as she is way out there Republican.
3. Jane Skinner (maybe)...but the same thing happens as Jon Scott is way out there republican...he goes as fare as using GOP press releases as news.
4. Well that's me flummoxed...Any one else?
February 19, 2009, 7:33:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Any takers?
 
Oh, well..."
 
I'm so dissapointed. I guess I'll never find those damn liberals.
February 19, 2009, 7:33:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Are you suggesting I should share information with one who withholds it from me?"
 
I'm certainly not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that having answered a series of questions from you, one after another, I asked you one question. Which you won't answer. That's the sort of thing that makes one's Spidey sense tingle, like when people use anonymous proxies to post. It's the reason for messages like the one above suggesting that the bio that contained only two facts just might be...well...to put it kindly...an invention.
February 19, 2009, 7:34:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
but you managed somehow to wrangle Haggis into defending Fox
Johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
Johnny...You surely have proof for this momentous claim....I can't believe you'd make it without any...please spill the beans.
February 19, 2009, 7:44:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"I'm certainly not suggesting that. I'm suggesting that having answered a series of questions from you, one after another, I asked you one question. Which you won't answer."
 
Well, that is true. However, before you even asked me a question you basically told me (rather rudely) That you would not answer any more of my questions. Tell you what, If you agree to give me a list of people at Fox you think are liberal hosts, I'll go first and give you the article I read and then trust you to keep your word.
 
"That's the sort of thing that 
makes one's Spidey sense tingle, like when people use anonymous proxies to post. "
 
Hmm, rather distrustful aren't we?
 
"It's the reason for messages like the one above suggesting that the bio that contained only two facts just might be...well...to put it kindly...an invention."
 
It might be, or it might be I read a bio saw two things, and that informed my sceptisim that she is a liberal. Or it possible there were only two things in the bio. All I know is (prior to posting) I knew two things about Greta, which I have mentioned many a time; and since I am not trying to convince you or anyone Greta is not a liberal I fail to see the relevence.
February 19, 2009, 7:45:26 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
A few hours ago:
 
"I read a bio of Greta, that mentioned two things, her dad was a friend of Joe Mccarthy (again hardly a liberal) and she has a legal degree. Not a lot to form an opinion on is it? In fact there is nothing to form an opinion on, and only one thing that points in any direction at all."
 
Now:
 
"It might be, or it might be I read a bio saw two things, and that informed my sceptisim that she is a liberal. Or it possible there were only two things in the bio."
 
3 hours from now:
 
Anyone's guess.
February 19, 2009, 7:49:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Hmm, Just think if you make an agreement you can find the truth for sure. 
 
A few hours ago:
 
"I read a bio of Greta, that mentioned two things, her dad was a friend of Joe Mccarthy (again hardly a liberal) and she has a legal degree. Not a lot to form an opinion on is it? In fact there is nothing to form an opinion on, and only one thing that points in any direction at all."
 
Now:
 
"It might be, or it might be I read a bio saw two things, and that informed my sceptisim that she is a liberal. Or it possible there were only two things in the bio."
 
3 hours from now:
 
Anyone's guess.
February 19, 2009, 7:54:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Yawn. That's really good Johnny, You've almost successfully torn down my non-argument that Greta is not a liberal. 
 
What's next, my non-argument against O'Reilly? 
 
Come on grow some balls and you can see the goods. Make the deal. C'mon it's the only way to know for sure.
February 19, 2009, 7:58:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'm guessing schnitzel get's her news from a very unreliable source which is why she's a little reluctant to reveal it...
February 19, 2009, 8:06:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Why I do believe that our new friend is actually our old friend JohnT. The l'il feller may not be far behind.
February 19, 2009, 8:08:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Even if I agree to show my goods first. makes me think he can't. Just my spidey sense. 
 
If anyone else is willing, being a good faith kind of guy, I'll post first. I just ask that you agree to give me a list of who the liberal hosts are.

Personal attack...Edited By Siteowner
February 19, 2009, 8:09:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
" I'm guessing schnitzel get's her news from a very unreliable source which is why she's a little reluctant to reveal it..."
 
I'm not. I only ask that you agree to tell me who you think is a liberal at fox. Johnny, won't. I've even volunteered to go first. If you make the agreement.
February 19, 2009, 8:18:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
but you managed somehow to wrangle Haggis into defending Fox
Johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 7:03 pm |
 
Johnny...your silence over this matter can only mean one thing...you let a little white one pop out.
February 19, 2009, 8:18:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm so dissapointed. I guess I'll never find those damn liberals.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 7:38 pm | # 
 
Well, hell that what we said was your quest in the first place.
 
You tried to obscure that gotcha tactic with some b.s. about ascertaining the difference in perceptions between right and left...
February 19, 2009, 8:19:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny...You surely have proof for this momentous claim....I can't believe you'd make it without any...please spill the beans.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 7:49 pm | # 
 
Haggis, I'm still waiting on to define the good point Shizznle is making AND to tell me how you concluded I dislike Geraldo because of his politics.
February 19, 2009, 8:20:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I just ask that you agree to give me a list of who the liberal hosts are.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:14 pm | # 
 
Sounds like someone is asking us to "name names". Maybe Shiz' dad hung out with Joe McCarthy too!
February 19, 2009, 8:24:04 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Sounds like someone is asking us to "name names". Maybe Shiz' dad hung out with Joe McCarthy too!"
 
You caught me, I'm trying to get you to out liberals.
February 19, 2009, 8:27:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Well, hell that what we said was your quest in the first place."
 
You said I'd never find any liberals at fox?
February 19, 2009, 8:28:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Johnny...your silence over this matter can only mean one thing...you let a little white one pop out.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 8:23 pm | # 
 
Haggy - earlier in this thread, you've made comments to others in the vein of "if they "X", then they must "y"".
 
Therefore, you may find it perfectly acceptable being reminded that you have maintained silence over dozens of specific questions posed directly to you. By your standard, you let a whole lot of "little white one(s) pop out".
February 19, 2009, 8:29:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"You tried to obscure that gotcha tactic with some b.s. about ascertaining the difference in perceptions between right and left..."
 
Wow, Now you claim to know my motivations. You don't work at a carnival by chance do you?
February 19, 2009, 8:30:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Now you claim to know my motivations. You don't work at a carnival by chance do you?"
 
Even that level is 'expertise' is unnecessary.
February 19, 2009, 8:31:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
AND to tell me how you concluded I dislike Geraldo because of his politics.
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 8:25 pm |
 
I think the most appropriate description of Geraldo is "idiot".
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:52 pm |
 
I can only come to one conclusion from your 6:52 pm post...Why is he an idiot then?...if not for his political views.
February 19, 2009, 8:32:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Haggis, Ashley at 7:09 was as impressed and pleasured as I was at your defending and sticking up for FNC's Geraldo Rivera. We both thank you.
February 19, 2009, 8:32:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Yep, no doubt our new friend is an old friend, coming in here like gangbusters trying to stir up the soup and create tons of havoc. Avoids direct question, changes the story, provides mis-direction and non relevant stuff. Old friend, new name, probably the anonymous IP address too.
February 19, 2009, 8:33:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 8:37 pm |
 
I wasn't sticking up for FNC with that comment....I was simply pointing out the absurdity of Cecelia comment.
February 19, 2009, 8:38:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"Well, hell that what we said was your quest in the first place."
 
You said I'd never find any liberals at fox?
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:33 pm | # 
 
Indeed, I did. Several times.
 
I made several posts about the inability of some people on the left to define anyone as liberal if they have merely treated a conservative as having some validity.
 
I knew you were one as soon as you argued with us about Greta and then turned around and contradicted yourself about not wanting to argue and issuing b.s. about your only investigating "perceptions".
February 19, 2009, 8:38:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Even that level is 'expertise' is unnecessary."
 
Good, because you don't seem to have any.
February 19, 2009, 8:39:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
You caught me, I'm trying to get you to out liberals.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:32 pm | # d
 
Ah little one.
 
You miss the irony that it was you who brought up Joe McCarthy, that it was you who alleged status by association, and that it was you who has been asking everyone here to name names.
February 19, 2009, 8:40:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Well, Snizzy, I gave you the answer younow say you are willing to trade for.
 
I expect that link any time now!
February 19, 2009, 8:43:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I can only come to one conclusion from your 6:52 pm post...Why is he an idiot then?...if not for his political views.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 8:37 pm | # 
 
Well, thank you for so illustrating my point, that among certain leftist (you included), everything is so politicized that any discussion of who is right or left is highly suspect, because merely complimenting a conservative is proof enough of right-wing allegiance in your book.
 
Geraldo is not a politician. He HAS truly done some things outside of expounding upon political topics.
 
He's once had a talk show that he operated along lines that would embarrass Jerry Springer, and he once wrote a kiss-and-tell-all with details of all the famous women he's slept with.
February 19, 2009, 8:44:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
I think the most appropriate description of Geraldo is "idiot".
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 6:52 pm |
 
I can only come to one conclusion from your 6:52 pm post...Why is he an idiot then?...if not for his political views.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 8:37 pm | # 
 
I have to add my 2¢ here. Haggy, did it ever occur to you that ... since Geraldo, who has been well known and widely observed on television in multiple capacities in all sorts of situations and a wide variety of television shows, including many not cable news related, for almost 40 years now...that maybe it could possibly have been some other reason????? Or has your spot on analysis determined that his political views is the only possibility?
February 19, 2009, 8:44:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Ah little one.
 
You miss the irony that it was you who brought up Joe McCarthy, that it was you who alleged status by association, and that it was you who has been asking everyone here to name names."
 
And you little one fail to understand that irony means the exact opposite of what was stated. For example, saying I have been treated nicely on this site would be irony.
February 19, 2009, 8:45:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"You tried to obscure that gotcha tactic with some b.s. about ascertaining the difference in perceptions between right and left..."
 
Wow, Now you claim to know my motivations. You don't work at a carnival by chance do you?
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:35 pm | # 
 
No, we ALL know your motivations.
 
If they were anything other than what they are, you wouldn't be demanding that Johnny tell you all the liberals he knows at FNC, you'd be asking him what is his perception of liberalism.
February 19, 2009, 8:48:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Cecelia | 02.19.09 - 8:49 pm |
 
But we weren't talking about his past tv shows....we were talking about liberals on FNC....And GR came up as being one....You then called him an idiot without mentioning any of these comment you now make in your 8:49 pm.
February 19, 2009, 8:51:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"I made several posts about the inability of some people on the left to define anyone as liberal if they have merely treated a conservative as having some validity."
 
Well, since I never defined anyone anyhting that post wouldn't apply to me. Also you directed that post at Johnny. But I guess it is safe to say that you agree with liberals that no liberals are on Fox. 
 
"I knew you were one as soon as you argued with us about Greta and then turned around and contradicted yourself about not wanting to argue and issuing b.s. about your only investigating "perceptions"."
 
Hmm, Maybe that is because you don't understand what it is to argue. You see to argue is to advocate and I was not advocating Greta was a conservative. 
 
Instead I was skeptical to the notion she was a liberal. I then asked why others thought she was indeed a liberal. 
 
Since you feel free to attribute motivations to me, I will do the same for you. I think your rudeness is due to not being able to name any hosts who are liberal at Fox. I think it is twisintg you up in side that liberals might be right and so you lash out. Otherwise why wouldn't answer such a simple question?
February 19, 2009, 8:52:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
For example, saying I have been treated nicely on this site would be irony.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:50 pm | # 
 
Not going to debate irony with you, but you are the one that came to this site with a chip on your shoulder, obviously trying to set-up an argument about anyone who may be a liberal on FNC, getting frustrated when no one takes your bait, then you launch into the personal attack, whatever that was in your 8:14.
February 19, 2009, 8:52:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"No, we ALL know your motivations."
 
No you don't. I know your though. 
 
"If they were anything other than what they are, you wouldn't be demanding that Johnny tell you all the liberals he knows at FNC, you'd be asking him what is his perception of liberalism."
 
Why would I care about that? it is perceptions of who is liberal I am interested in, and knowing his opinion of liberalism in general doesn't help with that.
February 19, 2009, 8:54:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
You miss the irony that it was you who brought up Joe McCarthy, that it was you who alleged status by association, and that it was you who has been asking everyone here to name names."
 
And you little one fail to understand that irony means the exact opposite of what was stated. For example, saying I have been treated nicely on this site would be irony.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:50 pm | # 
 
No, that's poorly thought out.
 
It most certainly IS ironic for you to be the sole source of the info that Greta's dad's friend was Joe McCarthy and then later negate the validity of such associations when countered with others.
February 19, 2009, 8:55:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Ashley | 02.19.09 - 8:49 pm | 
 
That may be so....but non of that was mentioned when he was called an idiot.
 
If I call someone an idiot I usually say why I'm doing so....Like he drew a plan in the sand during the Iraq war....He is an idiot for doing so.
February 19, 2009, 8:56:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Not going to debate irony with you,"
 
That is wise.
 
"but you are the one that came to this site with a chip on your shoulder, obviously trying to set-up an argument about anyone who may be a liberal on FNC, getting frustrated when no one takes your bait, then you launch into the personal attack, whatever that was in your 8:14."
 
Grammie took the bait and I didn't attack her. Kind of defeats your whole premise doesn't it?

Edited By Siteowner
February 19, 2009, 8:59:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
No that can't be true, Haggie. It can't be drawing in the sand. It has to be his politics. You know, like you claimed with Cecelia.
February 19, 2009, 8:59:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
But we weren't talking about his past tv shows....we were talking about liberals on FNC....And GR came up as being one....You then called him an idiot without mentioning any of these comment you now make in your 8:49 pm.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 8:56 pm | # 
 
Well, I also mentioned Greta as a liberal too without calling her an idiot.
 
I can't do all your mental processes for you, Haggis. You're going have to get outside the sort of blinkered gunslinger political mentality at some point.
February 19, 2009, 8:59:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"It most certainly IS ironic for you to be the sole source of the info that Greta's dad's friend was Joe McCarthy and then later negate the validity of such associations when countered with others."
 
Actually it's not. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't believe me.
February 19, 2009, 9:00:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
This question is easily answered....There are NO liberals with shows on FNC....If there was Ashley would jump at the chance of naming them...His silences is deafening on this matter.
February 19, 2009, 9:02:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"It most certainly IS ironic for you to be the sole source of the info that Greta's dad's friend was Joe McCarthy and then later negate the validity of such associations when countered with others."
 
Also I might add, I never advocated that Greta was a conservative based on her father's association with McCarthy. Instead, I was, as I have said multiple times, being skeptical of the claim she is a liberal based on the small about of information I knew about Greta. There is a difference and it is not hard to grasp if you appply yourself.
February 19, 2009, 9:04:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Why I do believe that our new friend is actually our old friend JohnT. The l'il feller may not be far behind.
Ashley | 02.19.09 - 8:13 pm | # 
 
No way. Not johnt-bone.
February 19, 2009, 9:06:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Why would I care about that? it is perceptions of who is liberal I am interested in, and knowing his opinion of liberalism in general doesn't help with that.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 8:59 pm | # 
 
No, how could Johnny's opinion on what constitutes liberalism help you understand his perception of liberalism....  
 
It's far more germane that he name SPECIFIC liberals, because if he said "Megyn Kelly", why you have the inside take on all her political positions....so you could simply guage that.... and if he said "Bret Baier", well THAT would help you with discerning "perceptions" because you know all Baier's stances too....
 
sheesh!
February 19, 2009, 9:06:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:04 pm |
 
Johnny you are spinning again....I was giving an example to Ashley...I called GR an idiot and said why...Unlike Cecelia who called GR an idiot with no apparent reason...Other than his political leanings.
February 19, 2009, 9:06:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
.His silences is deafening on this matter.
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 9:07 pm | # 
 
Your ignorance is bliss......
February 19, 2009, 9:08:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"This question is easily answered....There are NO liberals with shows on FNC....If there was Ashley would jump at the chance of naming them...His silences is deafening on this matter."
 
Do you think that is what they beleive? It would sure explain the defensiveness.
February 19, 2009, 9:08:44 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"It most certainly IS ironic for you to be the sole source of the info that Greta's dad's friend was Joe McCarthy and then later negate the validity of such associations when countered with others."
 
Actually it's not. Look it up in a dictionary if you don't believe me.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:05 pm | # 
 
She disputes that something constitutes irony and then demands that others prove her wrong...
 
There's irony...
February 19, 2009, 9:09:57 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I thought you said you came here "seeking information". When you get the information you then aren't satisfied, because it's not enough to counter the "small amount of information" you gathered from an alleged bio.
 
Why bother asking a question if the answer is going to be insufficient because it doesn't satisfy your self-acknowledged meager predetermined data points? Especially since when you get the information, instead of being appreciative for the answers, you try to discredit the information or those who gave it to you?
 
Oh, those questions are rhetorical. No response is necessary as the answers are obvious.
February 19, 2009, 9:11:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Also I might add, I never advocated that Greta was a conservative based on her father's association with McCarthy. Instead, I was, as I have said multiple times, being skeptical of the claim she is a liberal based on the small about of information I knew about Greta. There is a difference and it is not hard to grasp if you appply yourself.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:09 pm | # 
 
No, you assumed that was this was the only information that WE knew about Greta.
 
That doesn't comport with your claim to a noncombatant truthseeker here merely to guage the difference in perceptions between left and right.
February 19, 2009, 9:12:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Why bother asking a question if the answer is going to be insufficient because it doesn't satisfy your self-acknowledged meager predetermined data points? "
 
because I'm curious. And, I had no idea that the asnwer would be insufficient until I recieved it. 
 
"Especially since when you get the information, instead of being appreciative for the answers, you try to discredit both the information and those who gave it to you?"
 
I disagree, I have no tried to discredit answers. Again see my exhance with grammie, it sorta shoots down the whole premise of your argument. 
 
"Oh, those questions are rhetorical. No response is necessary as the answers are obvious."
 
Well, I'm sure you've come to your conclusions with insufficent data. That would be par for the course.
February 19, 2009, 9:15:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
haggy, please tell us your proud to have someone like schnitzel on your side....someone who is to ashamed to admit they get their news from "news"hounds.
February 19, 2009, 9:16:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Truthseeker? LOL.
 
Grammie has answered her questions, has asked her to produce the bio that only had two facts in it (legal degree and Joe McCarthy) way back at 8:48. And yet you'll notice that Shizzle has flat-out ignored Grammie entirely. Case closed.
February 19, 2009, 9:16:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Your ignorance is bliss......
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:13 pm |
 
As usual OS....You have no answer,,,So hit the personal attack button....I thought there were rules about that.
February 19, 2009, 9:18:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"No, you assumed that was this was the only information that WE knew about Greta."
 
I did? That's news to me. And here I thought as the author of the posts I knew what my motivation was. 
 
"That doesn't comport with your claim to a noncombatant truthseeker here merely to guage the difference in perceptions between left and right."
 
You are right your charectization of my motivations doesn't comport with the claim of a noncombatent truthseeker. However since your charactorization is incorrect, it isn't a problem.
 
And I'll prove it to you. Tell me who you think the liberal hosts at Fox are and see if i fight with you over them.
February 19, 2009, 9:19:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Case closed.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:21 pm | # 
 
Can we lock up, now? I'm parched.....
February 19, 2009, 9:19:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Again see my exhance with grammie"
 
I did. She asked you to produce the link to that bio, since she answered your questions and that was your condition. So, are you going to respond to Grammie or not? She wants to see the link to the bio. Give it to her.
February 19, 2009, 9:20:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Well, Johnny, forgive me but I must correct you.
 
Snizzy hasn't entirely ignored me. He very graciously bragged that "Grammie took the bait".
 
And here I thought I was giving it the benefit of the doubt, that anyone is an honest broker until they prove themselves not to be.
February 19, 2009, 9:22:48 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Do you think that is what they beleive? It would sure explain the defensiveness.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:13 pm | # 
 
On the contrary, we're not defensive, YOU seem to be on the offensive. 
 
We've sincerely told you why we think Greta and Geraldo are liberal and all you've done is demand that Johnny give you more names, while also demanding that we believe that it is only our "perceptions" on liberalism that you seek.
February 19, 2009, 9:23:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
" Truthseeker? LOL."
 
You wouldn't know one if you saw them.
 
"Grammie has answered her questions, has asked her to produce the bio that only had two facts in it (legal degree and Joe McCarthy) way back at 8:48. And yet you'll notice that Shizzle has flat-out ignored Grammie entirely. Case closed."
 
Actually I just missed her post. Interesting you guys, seem to think you are all psychic regarding the motivations of others.. That is a sign of a mental disorder.
 
Well since Grammie, was kind of enough to answer my question I suppose it doesn't hurt to provide a link. To what I read about Greta.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greta_Van_Susteren#Family
February 19, 2009, 9:24:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"On the contrary, we're not defensive, YOU seem to be on the offensive. "
 
That's the defensiveness talking. 
 
"We've sincerely told you why we think Greta and Geraldo are liberal and all you've done is demand that Johnny give you more names, while also demanding that we believe that it is only our "perceptions" on liberalism that you seek."
 
I have asked for more. So let me ask you a question Do you think, that there are others or do you think there are only two. if I am trying to guage the diiference in perception between liberals who watch fox and conservatives the number is relevant.
February 19, 2009, 9:26:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Right folks it's nearly time for me to go to work....The question Shizznle asked it an easy one.
 
Name one weekday show that has a liberal host?
 
I suggest this can't be done...and your all waffling so as not to answer this simple question.
February 19, 2009, 9:27:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Thanks for linking to the bio that offered no information other than a legal degree and Joe McCarthy. It really does clear up a lot.
 
Haggis, after all this talk about Greta, your last comment is laughable, even for you.
February 19, 2009, 9:28:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
"Snizzy hasn't entirely ignored me. He very graciously bragged that "Grammie took the bait"."
 
Indeed. I said that, when it was infered that I would lash out at anyone who provided me names. The person who mentioned this charaterized it as "Taking the bait" Your fellow conservatives chose that phrase.
February 19, 2009, 9:28:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizznle
Well, it seems to me, that you guys are just not going to give a list. I can only conclude that there are at most three liberal hosts at Fox.
 
Given you guys represent the wing that most strongly advocates Fox is fair and balaced, I must coclude it might not be so. I'm sorry if i in anyway interfered with your cognative dissonance.
February 19, 2009, 9:32:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:33 pm |
 
Well if Greta is the only one....I can only conclude from that....FNC are grossly miss selling themselves as "fair and balanced"
February 19, 2009, 9:33:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
And I'll prove it to you. Tell me who you think the liberal hosts at Fox are and see if i fight with you over them.
 
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:24 pm | # 
 
I did. YOU did.
 
I told you Greta. 
 
You didnt't ask why or how I perceived this. 
 
No, your response was to COUNTER that her father befriended Sen. McCarthy ("hardly liberal").
February 19, 2009, 9:36:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
'cognitive dissonance'
 
Ashley, I agree. Definitely not john t.
February 19, 2009, 9:40:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Don't you think that is a rather lame excuse.
 
You are the one who took a phrase that you say someone else used and you paired it with my name, not that "consevative".
February 19, 2009, 9:42:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Ashley, I agree. Definitely not john t.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:45 pm | 
 
Maybe it's a reincarnation of Stan....I'm just throwing that into the mix.
February 19, 2009, 9:47:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 9:23 pm | #
 
Geraldo-libby-own show
Greta-libby-own show
Chris Wallace-not conservative-own show
Shep Smith-very questionable/centrist
O'Reilly-Independent
February 19, 2009, 9:50:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I have asked for more. So let me ask you a question Do you think, that there are others or do you think there are only two. if I am trying to guage the diiference in perception between liberals who watch fox and conservatives the number is relevant.
 
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:31 pm | # 
 
Oh, please. The number can't be relevant, anymore than someone could give the number of liberals or conservatives at CNN.
 
It's only relevant because you wish to imply that there are only two, thus ignoring the difference between pundits and reporters.
February 19, 2009, 9:54:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
FNC are grossly miss selling themselves as "fair and balanced"
Haggis | 02.19.09 - 9:38 pm | # 
 
Johnny, is haggy even worthy of the list or have the goal posts been moved from regular democrat guests to having to have their own show, now?
February 19, 2009, 9:58:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I think Shizznle is a PbD. I smell a dog in the house, and it's all wet. Phew!
February 19, 2009, 10:03:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, it seems to me, that you guys are just not going to give a list. I can only conclude that there are at most three liberal hosts at Fox.
 
Given you guys represent the wing that most strongly advocates Fox is fair and balaced, I must coclude it might not be so. I'm sorry if i in anyway interfered with your cognative dissonance.
Shizznle | 02.19.09 - 9:37 pm | # 
 
How can you "conclude" that FNC isn't fair or balanced when you merely wished to ascertain our "perceptions"?
 
And since balance is not a matter of what the host believes but a matter of what they allow to be aired, please tell us how you have decided that FNC fails in that regard.
 
Can you give me the number or conservatives or liberals at CNN?
February 19, 2009, 10:08:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I see that the goal posts have been moved by haggy and his cohort. Now the (d)'s have to have their own show, regular democrat guests don't count. Nice.
February 19, 2009, 10:09:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
uh oh. I see my last post went through. Disregard.
February 19, 2009, 10:09:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Nah... Haggis, even Stan might be more logical.
February 19, 2009, 10:14:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I can only conclude that there are at most three liberal hosts at Fox.
 
by schnitzel
 
Yep. The goal posts have been moved way past the end zone......
February 19, 2009, 10:15:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 02.19.09 - 9:55 pm |
 
I did answer your post....But for some reason it hasn't appeared. 
 
Night folks....Time for work.
February 19, 2009, 10:17:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I just finished reading the entire day's posts, and Shizznle doesn't think like Haggis (wasn't Haggis Stan?), doesn't constantly inflame like john t, and can compose complete sentences unlike Patrick.
 
Obviously a mutt plant if not a PbD.
February 19, 2009, 10:19:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
What's amazing is that this person knows that we know that their entire time here was to make the point that FNC isn't fair or balanced.
 
They know we know, but they will STILL go into full Oscar nomination acting mode in feigning innocence by berating you for making assumptions about their motivations....
 
As with Babba and his pretenses... WHAT is that?!
 
I suppose all you can do is just pray that mental state doesn't live anywhere in your neighborhood!
February 19, 2009, 10:21:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Let me run something by you all and find out if you agree or not.
 
I have been making a point to catch Kelly's Court lately b/c it is usually good fun. She didn't dissapoint today with Stephen Fowler of Wife Swap infamy. If anyone is interested here is a link to youtube that has quite a view videos of Stephen in all his, or so he seems to think, splendor.
 
I am absolutely convinced that Stephen is actually Flucker/OTM. The fit is absolutely perfect down to the fact that I always suspected Flucker was a wimpy little nonentity type in person.
 
Is it him or not?
February 19, 2009, 10:23:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammy,
 
I came into the last part of that segment, where Kelly was making the case that Stephen didn't have a legal case against bloggers.
 
I wished then that I knew just what Stephen had done.
 
LOVE my Megyn!
February 19, 2009, 10:50:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Uncle Walter, Texas Dan, Perky Katie, Cooper Fan, 
Booster Shuster, Diane Sawyer, Peter and the Wolf, 
 
Kinky Keithy, Maddow Man, Brian Williams, Abrams Dan,
Cafferty, Gregory, Steppin' Awfulist.
 
We didn't start the ire.
 
It's not the ideological bent of the reporter giving the news that matters,
what matters is the ideological bent of the news being reported.
 
More Democrats watch FOX News than watch either CNN or MSNBC.
February 19, 2009, 11:55:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
vstol | 02.20.09 - 12:00 am | #
 
Don't forget Amanispoor.
February 20, 2009, 12:22:43 AM EST – Like – Reply