1/18/10 12:31 PM

Monday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Beck promises "another tape" on Tuesday.

Friday's numbers: FNC tops rivals by more than 3-1, 9/11 special #1 in demo, F&F tops 1 million viewers.

Three is enough?  Obama stiffs FNC again.

Today's moment of class.  CNN twitter hacked?

Profiles: Shepard SmithHot & Not.  New Pew.

WPitW previewKurtz on Beck: more.  Beck rising.

Updated through the day.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Grammie
I just saw this at News Busters about Alan Colmes:
 
"Alan Colmes Gets 'Hate Tweets' for Calling Protesters 'Teabaggers'"
 
It seems like Alan now has "hate tweets" as well as his "hate mail".
 
I think he would have done better to cut his losses and not complain about the insulting replies he got in response to grossly insulting a whole group of people. Sheesh, didn't he learn anything from AC's experience?
 
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2009/09/13/alan-colmes-gets-hate-tweets-calling-protesters-teabaggers
September 14, 2009, 1:31:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
All too often, a defender of the radical left is not accurate with the facts and they then end their time attacking other's credibility. It's very amuzing.
 
Ana Marie Cox, in trying to deny Van Jones' connection to the truthers, totally destroyed any credibility she had left coming to this debate.
 
If she wants to be successful in the world of cable spin, she should mimic Olbermann's skill and just IGNORE the facts that make her position untenable so that, at least, the uninformed stay with her.
September 14, 2009, 9:09:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Scott
Now you have went too far J$. Accusing the Greatest broadcaster in history, Keith I'm I'm Olbermann of not checking facts before accusing someone on his #1 rated show of being arrested for drugs. I'm have no doubt he will be on the phone to his buddy Tip Toes Rahm to have you straightened out. Watch out for dead fish showing up.
September 14, 2009, 10:09:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If Keith Olbermann trumpeted on national tv some bogus claim that I committed a crime, the only sort of apology my attorney would settle for is Keith admitting on air that he's a slovenly hack.
September 14, 2009, 10:32:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Kurtz is really beginning to irritate me:
 
"In the Jones case, there is little question that the traditional media botched the story of an Obama administration official who, wittingly or otherwise, lent his name to those who believe that George W. Bush and Dick Cheney deliberately allowed thousands of Americans to be slaughtered. Some conservatives accused journalists of liberal bias; it is just as likely that their radar malfunctioned, or that they collectively dismissed Beck as a rabble-rouser."
 
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Ugh. When any little insignificant Republican pol gave the least bit time to a "birther" acolyte, the MSM had it front page, first segment, bolded print, breathless cautionary tone.
 
There are REASONS for things like "radar" to malfunction, and a bias for giving some the benefit of the doubt while being cynical towards others is a major blind spot for the left-leaning media elite.
 
They also enjoy their Friday evening cocktail party invites, rubbing elbows with those who hold power....The Democrats.
September 14, 2009, 10:35:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


wenchie
Kurtz's article on Beck: Is he suggesting that Beck is trying to tell his viewers not to take him seriously because he is a self-described rodeo clown and a recovering alcoholic?  
 
My father is a recovering alcoholic and I have never heard him use that fact to explain or defend his behavior one way or the other.
 
Not sure why Beck described himself as a rodeo clown and not sure why he brings up his recovering alcoholic status, but I would be surprised if Kurtz's implication that he does it to deflect criticism is on target.
 
I think Beck is very serious in his show and his opinions and I doubt he would use the afore mentioned as some sort of wussy explanation or excuse.  
 
JMO
September 14, 2009, 12:40:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
That Pew survey is interesting.
 
FNC gets higher favorables from independents than does MSNBC, and equals CNN in the same catergory.
 
Even a clear majority of Democrats have a favorable view of FNC. Republicans are not so impressed with MSNBC.
 
Olbermann's characterizations of his competator with the silly, "faux noise," seems to be a minority view.
 
BTW, the sky is blue.
September 14, 2009, 1:04:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


wenchie
Cee....What I read was that only 43% of Dems have a favorable view of FNC....But then I just skimmed the article...
 
Can you point out to me where a clear majority do?...I missed that...
September 14, 2009, 1:14:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Scratch that...a plurality of Dems have a favorable view of FNC. A higher "don't know" at 21% cuts into the numbers.
 
For MSNBC, although 60% of Democrats have a favorable view, a pretty big 32% don't know, smaller than those that don't know about FNC.
 
Interesting.
September 14, 2009, 1:30:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
That's correct, a plurality. More Dems have a favorable opinion than an unfavorable one. Or to put it another way, of those Dems who expressed an opinion of FNC, a clear majority were favorable.
September 14, 2009, 1:38:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


wenchie
Thanks
September 14, 2009, 1:42:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Why Do Fox Nation Moderators Keep Allowing Racist Comments?
Reported by Ellen - Mon 12:20 PM
 
Does anyone see the irony in this comment?
 
It really is a laugh out loud moment.
 
I have one word for the race baiting pimps of News Hounds. Juan Williams.
 
This is supposed to be a country where all men are created equal but you wouldn't think so if you watched Fox, Hannity, Bill O'Reilly and the Happy Negro.
info | 01.30.09 - 2:38 pm | #  
 
Juan Williams is the Fox Noise House Negro. When Massa Bildo or Massa Klannity want it, Juan will join in the verbal bashing of any "uppity Negro" who doesn't know his/her proper place.
truman | 01.30.09 - 2:39 pm | #  
 
Juan Williams is a tool.
 
House Nigga,1st thing comes to my mind whenEVER i see ANY person of color who's getting PAID on fox,ever notice how the bottomline for ALL foxNblacfaces the Massa's ALLWAYS right in ALLTHINGS,trouble is we've seen that movie before........
DavidRWoods | 01.30.09 - 3:33 pm |  
 
 
If Steele wins, will he give up his token spots on Fox Spews?
flybyshoeing | 01.30.09 - 3:53 pm | #  
 
"Juan" Williams? Is he one of those Halfrecains Fox and Rush likes to talk about?  
 
So much hypocrisy. So little time.
September 14, 2009, 2:17:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


wenchie
Now that I have had time to take a closer look at the study, looks like a plurality of Repubs have a favorable view of CNN and they are even across the board (Fav, unfav, DK) when it comes to MSNBC, majority when it comes to broadcast, and DK about NYT
 
A plurality of Dems, like J$ and Cee have noted, have a fav view of FNC, and DK about NYT
 
All very curious indeed....
 
And it seems 40% get the majority of their news from cable....although 71% of respondents get it from TV ...
 
Intriguing ...but not unexpected IMV...
September 14, 2009, 4:16:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
By Matt Corley at 1:10 pm  
 
Positive view of Fox News among Democrats drops significantly
 
A little bit of a stretch, no?
September 14, 2009, 4:51:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
What I want to know is when I read newshounds, all I find is Fox is GOP propaganda, Fox is racist, Fox is evil, yada yada yada. So how is it that 43% of Democrats--a majority of those who had an opinion--view FNC favorably? Are they all wrong?
September 14, 2009, 4:55:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.14.09 - 5:00 pm | #  
 
Don't you also find "Dollar lies all the time, but we never provide any evidence of it." like comments?
September 14, 2009, 5:23:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Those that label themselves independents also have a higher favorable view of FNC than they do of MSNBC....
 
Independent/Favorable FNC 55%
Independent/Favorable MSNBC 47%
 
I wonder how those that KNOW FNC is simply a mouthpiece of The GOP, conservatives, the right-wing, the corporatocracy, the KKK or whoever is the current backer in their conspiracy theories, explain the poll results....My goodness, reading NEWSHOUNDS, the numbers in both the Dems and Indies should at least show something similar to how Republicans view MSNBC.
 
This poll supports the conclusion that NBC NEWS has a very inferior "journalist product" in MSNBC as compared to FNC when, among the cablers, they were the only ones who had a group with more unfavorables than favorables.
 
I am sure FNC higher total unfavorables (25%) will give some solace.
September 14, 2009, 5:24:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


wenchie
J$...I think News Hounds falls into the same trap that many people do...
 
They think it black and white terms (no pun intended...)
 
Many people regardless of political affiliation can see the grey and the nuances that pervades life...and that includes the within the media....
 
For some reason NewsHounds has to make FNC evil evil evil ...and see nothing of value...
 
Most things in life simply arent that clear cut...and that is true of the medial outlets....
 
Because of that News Hounds lack credibility in my eyes....They try to make clear cut that which is not.....
September 14, 2009, 5:30:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Fantastic ratings as usual for FNC.
 
In "the demo" for the time period 5 PM through midnight eastern time, everyone at FNC except Shep beat CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined. In Shep's case, he missed it by a mere 22K.
 
In the overall for the same period, everyone at FNC did beat CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined.
 
And poor cankles, he doesn't have one-third the total audience as BOR.
 
Fantastic....as usual.
September 14, 2009, 5:38:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Beck alert - he'll be on Greta tonight as guest. I think Greta's questioning is going to make this interview extra interesting.
September 14, 2009, 5:42:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Because of that News Hounds lack credibility in my eyes....They try to make clear cut that which is not.....
wenchie | 09.14.09 - 5:35 pm | #  
 
It would be interesting to know how many blacks are on News Hounds staff.
 
I am aware that they have drunken Irish and union goons. I don't think they have any blacks. Maybe just a token.
September 14, 2009, 6:40:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Looks like we can expect the Fox Haters to probably step up their attacks on FNC. The Senate just voted 83-7 AYE on Johanns amendment to cut off ACORN housing funds.
 
That's a lot of Democrat Senators who voted to cut off funds to Acorn.
September 14, 2009, 6:57:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
Do ratings equal exellence?
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't think that poor ratings mean popularity.
 
My question is since when did popularity come to mean best?  
I'm sure most folks here remember being in High School and seeing how the most popular kids looked down on the rest. Including the smart kids.
You have to admit that it wasn't right. The smart kids and the kids who weren't 'cool' were the ones who made something of their lives.
 
The ones who got good 'ratings' ended up selling life insurance to their community of two hundred people.
 
My point is, Popularity does not equal best.
September 14, 2009, 8:52:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"My point is, Popularity does not equal best."
 
Who said it did?
September 14, 2009, 8:54:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
Fantastic ratings as usual for FNC.
 
In "the demo" for the time period 5 PM through midnight eastern time, everyone at FNC except Shep beat CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined. In Shep's case, he missed it by a mere 22K.
 
In the overall for the same period, everyone at FNC did beat CNN, MSNBC, and HLN combined.
 
And poor cankles, he doesn't have one-third the total audience as BOR.
 
Fantastic....as usual.
Ashley | 09.14.09 - 5:43 pm  
 
+++++++++++++++++++
 
I guess that is what I was talking about, johnny. So many people seem to think that the best ratings mean the best show. Like a few of the Fox News hosts that claim Fox News is better because they have better ratings.
Do you understand why I said "My point is, popularity does not equal best"?
If that wasn't clear I can try again. (I don't think I did my best).
 
Some people claim that CNBC is the best business news source because they get the best ratings.
I pity this country if the economists listen to CNBC to pull this country back into the black.
September 14, 2009, 9:10:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Thanks for repeating all that even though I read it the first time. I just missed the part where he said anything about 'best'.
 
I often hear people claiming that some other website gets more hits than I do, therefore it's better. I don't buy that either. And I'm not sure why this argument only seems to pop up after especially good numbers for FNC. But that's just me I guess.
September 14, 2009, 9:13:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
"Do ratings equal exellence?"-1/4trd
[Yes, excellence in program and network revenues.]
 
"Don't get me wrong, I don't think that poor ratings mean popularity."-1/4trd
 
[Whew! Glad to read that, 'cause if you did think that, my concern ratings for your well-being would have been off the charts.]
 
[And while I'm at it, what do you have against small town life insurance salesmen?]
 
"My point is, Popularity does not equal best."-1/4trd
 
[To parrot an unimpeachable source: Who said it did?]
September 14, 2009, 9:35:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
Okay, johnny, I like a good unbiased argument.
I, as I am sure you realize, am left leaning. I like watching Olbermann.
But I hate it when he claims better ratings than FOX shows.
Ratings only show what shows are more popular.
They do not show what shows are better.
I am a Canadian. I think CBC news shows are unbiased. They show the news and not what they think the news should be.
I think the American media has lost all credibillity. They are either for the left, (NBC, CBS, ABC, or for the right, FOX.
 
There is no unbiased news in this country. It's so sad.
September 14, 2009, 9:36:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
What is it with liberals that they love to work with feces and urine.?
 
There was that artist that painted a monkey excreting on Pres. Bush's head.
 
Serrano's "Piss Christ", a photo of a crucifix in urine.  
 
The guy who used the "mixed media" of elephant dung and pieces of porno magazine pictures to create the Virgin Mary.
 
Now, Glenn Beck in boo-boo.
 
You'd think these "artists" would find a more novel way of portraying disdain for an object. This stuff has become about as original as drawing on horns and mustaches.
September 14, 2009, 9:37:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
guess that is what I was talking about, johnny. So many people seem to think that the best ratings mean the best show. Like a few of the Fox News hosts that claim Fox News is better because they have better ratings.
Do you understand why I said "My point is, popularity does not equal best"?
If that wasn't clear I can try again. (I don't think I did my best).
 
Oneforetheroad | 09.14.09 - 9:15 pm | #  
 
And conversely popularity CAN equal the best.
 
Popularity CAN equal putting out a good product, that is enjoyed by a variety of people, for a variety of reasons.
 
Popularity equals an expanding market; an increasing measure of success, which can be due to ingenuity, freshness, insight, and discernment.
September 14, 2009, 9:47:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
And I'm not sure why this argument only seems to pop up after especially good numbers for FNC. But that's just me I guess.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.14.09 - 9:18 pm | #  
 
 
Are you sure you don't know why, Johnny?
September 14, 2009, 9:50:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Looks like we can expect the Fox Haters to probably step up their attacks on FNC. The Senate just voted 83-7 AYE on Johanns amendment to cut off ACORN housing funds.
 
That's a lot of Democrat Senators who voted to cut off funds to Acorn.
Ashley | 09.14.09 - 7:02 pm | #  
 
That sort of leaves the moral colossi who constitute the discerning editorial staff of News Hounds... in the definite minority...  
September 14, 2009, 9:58:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
Cecelia,
 
Please don't assume what I think. You would be surprised at what you and I have in common.
 
But first, Msnbc is becoming more popular. More marriages in the USA are ending in divorce. More people voted for a Democrat than for a Republican.
More children are engaging in sex than ever before.
 
So I assume that you think that it is right for people to divorce.  
More people should vote Democrat.
And more kids should engage in sex.
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Just because more people think it is okay, doesn't mean it's right.
September 14, 2009, 10:20:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
johnny,
Is there any chance that I might get a chance to respond to cecilia?
God knows she has responded to me many times.
September 14, 2009, 10:23:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
Looks like we can expect the Fox Haters to probably step up their attacks on FNC. The Senate just voted 83-7 AYE on Johanns amendment to cut off ACORN housing funds.
 
That's a lot of Democrat Senators who voted to cut off funds to Acorn
Obviously, Democrats are just as upset with horific practices as you and I are.

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September 14, 2009, 10:42:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I won't allow messages that are merely political cant or ideological argumentation. This is a cable news site and I don't want it derailed into politics. I'm surprised I have to keep explaining this stuff.
September 14, 2009, 10:42:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Onefortheroad,
 
I think you've responded to a message from me that you didn't really read.
September 14, 2009, 10:58:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
By the way, Onefortheroad, divorce and teen sex are NOT popular.  
 
Theft and murder are not enjoying greater popular appeal simply because the crime rate goes up.
 
Ditto for famine, war.
September 14, 2009, 11:04:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Oneforetheroad
johnny,
 
How is ACORN cable news?
I commend you on your constraints but ACORN is not Cable news.
I admit that I tried to push the envelope.
But, I wasn't the only one.
September 14, 2009, 11:23:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
Happy News! Christiane Amanpour begins a nightly hour-long report on CNN International. IMO, she is the finest female reporter in the world. No one even comes close. As a loyal viewer, this gives me a great resource. The added exposure ought to be instructive for her slacker colleagues, and she ought to be able to serve as a mentor to generations of aspiring reporters, male and female.
September 15, 2009, 12:17:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
What a fantastic job FNC did at drawing attention to the corruption of the tax-payer subsidized ACORN!
 
A majority of Democrats have voted to cut its funding after FNC helped to make them aware of the caliber of the organization.
 
And just as in the case of Van Jones, this is information that the rest of media will have inform its public AFTER the fact!
 
Good work, FNC!

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September 15, 2009, 12:41:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply