1/18/10 12:28 PM

Fox Haters Week in Review

The Christmas season is upon us but vitriol doesn't take a holiday. See who's been naughty in today's edition of Fox Haters Week in Review!

Around the Interwebs
Our first stop is that wacky gang at o'reilly sucks, and wacky describes their new theory, involving not just O'Reilly but also dozens of technicians, editors, and stagehands! They're all in a secret conspiracy to make Sarah Palin look good:

These Fox News interviews are a fraud, they are planned out ahead of time and taped. I have no proof, but I would bet she was given the questions ahead of time so she could have prepared answers ready to go. And I would not be surprised if they filmed it like a movie, with rehearsals and 2nd or 3rd takes until she got it right.
Meanwhile they've come up with more "proof" of O'Reilly's evil partisanship:
And of course Billy promoted the Coulter book, which he never does with liberals....O'Reilly promoted the Morris book and website, two times, but notice he never does that for Democratic guests.
Never say never again:
O'REILLY: General [Wesley Clark] joins us now. He is the author of the brand new book called, A Time to Lead for Duty, Honor and Country and we'll get to that book in a moment.... I looked through your book and you say something very interesting... Buy the General's book. Very interesting...
We could go on with O'Reilly promoting books by Bill Maher (twice!), Garrison Keillor, and more, but you already know what unrepentant fabulists the sucksters are.

Steven Jagler claims to seek "true news and analysis". How ironic that in searching for truth he would write this:
Glenn Beck, Sean Hannity and Bill O'Reilly on Fox News. These commentators have told him in recent months that President Barack Obama is a socialist, a racist, a Muslim and may not really be a legal citizen of the United States.
Don't waste your time looking for where any of them claimed Obama is a secret Muslim, or suggested he's not a citizen. That's all stuff that Jagler made up in seeking "truth".

Meanwhile Chris Golas has been keeping an eye on Media Matters, who seem to have a hypocrisy problem. In search of something to attack Fox with, they slammed Steve Doocy and Martha MacCallum for getting a geography question about Afghanistan wrong on Bill O'Reilly's news quiz, while ignoring repeated cartographic blunders from their fair-haired boy Keith Olbermann. Another double standard: slamming Gretchen Carlson for non-disclosure involving an interview with a sports celebrity, while protecting Olbermann for his own lack of forthrightness. Chris also notes that Keith is still trying to fire people who don't work for him, this time John Gibson.

At News Corpse they're having trouble grasping reality. Regarding an article that notes the Presidential holiday cards don't mention Christmas, The Corpse spews outrage:
Fox Nation is escalating the War on Christmas. Their new volley of seasonal aggression kicks off with insinuations questioning President Obama’s sincerity with regard to his faith.
Abandoning internet protocol, the corpsicles don't link to the article they are condemning. Perhaps because that would reveal the inconvenient fact that it's actually a piece written and published by those crazies at...The Chicago Tribune! Too much information? News Corpse goes on to chortle about cards sent by the Bushes that didn't mention Christmas, as if this were some sort of smoking bias gun. But again he doesn't tell his gullible readers that while the Chicago Tribune didn't report this in their article, Fox News did:
O'REILLY: The White House card last year under President Bush made no mention of Christmas either. And the Fox News card--there it is--says "Seasons Greetings" as well.
Elsewhere The Corpse appears to be math-challenged:
NBC News is the highest rated news broadcaster with four times as many viewers as O’Reilly.
Hmm. Last we checked, NBC Nightly News was riding high with 9.6 million viewers. November's chart shows O'Reilly getting 4.1 million viewers per night for his 8:00 pm and 11:00 pm showings. (Yes, we count both airings because both airings of the Nightly News are counted.) Brian Williams still has a healthy lead but please corpsicles, try to understand that 9.6 is not "four times" 4.1.

Numb3rs Games:
More fuzzy math, as we have the afore-mentioned Media Matters to thank for this week's flooding of the noise machine. They noticed that an on-screen graphic with data from a recent Rasmussen poll added up to more than 100%. So far they're on solid ground: the presentation was confusing, to viewers and even the program hosts. But why stop there when you can embellish the attack with a few fabrications to give it a little more zing?
Fox News' graphics department added together the "very likely" and "somewhat likely" numbers to reach 59 percent, and called that new group "somewhat likely." Then, for some reason, they threw in the 35 percent "very likely" as their own group, even though they already added that number to the "somewhat likely" percentage. Then they mashed together the "not very likely" and "not likely at all" groups, and threw the 15 percent who were unsure into the waste bin. Voila -- 120 percent.
This quickly entered the bloodstream, where it was repeated by scores of parrot sites. You'll find it at Think Propaganda, HuffPo, the Sucksters, Raw Story, and of course the newshounds--all of them citing MM's invented story about the graphics department as if it were a dispatch from Edward R Murrow. Our pals at The Corpse allege:
Never mind that Fox continues to rely on the disreputable Rasmussen organization for polling, even that suspect data is further distorted by the Fox News graphics department.
Actually, Fox News uses Opinion Dynamics as its polling organization, although the "disreputable" Rasmussen poll was cited by Fordham University as the most accurate.

But a basic question remains: how did Media Matters know the Fox News "graphic department" cooked up this misleading data set? They didn't know. They made that up! The most salient fact was first reported by TVNewser, then by Politico who added a response from FNC. Both these articles noted that the data breakdown used was taken directly from Rasmussen's website:
Fifty-nine percent (59%) of Americans say it’s at least somewhat likely that some scientists have falsified research data to support their own theories and beliefs about global warming. Thirty-five percent (35%) say it’s Very Likely. Just 26% say it’s not very or not at all likely that some scientists falsified data.
Media Matters wanted to reply to Politico's article, but how to handle the now-disproven claim that the Fox News graphic department cooked the numbers? Easy. They quoted from Politico, but used the infamous [...]. What did Media Matters leave out? Precisely the one paragraph that cites the original Rasmussen wording! And just to give it more zing, MM repeated their original claim about Fox's graphic department being responsible for the numbers. They knew that wasn't so, since they went through all that trouble to excise the actual facts from their post, but repeated it anyhow. No explanation, no correction, no retraction--just spew the falsehood a second time so it can make a fresh journey through the Fox Haters echo chamber.

How Still We See Them Lie:
The dog kennel this week was full of the usual contradictions, half-truths, and utter lies. Ellen for example comes down on a Hannity guest who suggested Obama should be tried for treason "if he crosses the line". Brodsky immediately characterized this as "calling, essentially, for our president to be arrested for treason", and attacked the guest, Hannity, and the 9/11 families in the studio audience. This sort of hyperventilating tripe might be a tad less hypocritical if it weren't for all the times the newsmutts themselves have said the same, or worse:We'd forgotten all about the North treason trial. Was he executed by firing squad, or is he doing life in prison?

Finally we have to acknowledge the latest in character assassination from Priscilla. It appears she is bound and determined to slander John Gibson, regardless of how many discredited slurs she has to recycle. First she regurgitates the long-debunked "more white babies" lie. Her lame rationale only makes sense if you accept the peculiar notion that anyone who is not Hispanic is automatically "white". That would come as a great surprise to Denzel Washington, Jackie Chan, Paul Anka, and a few billion others.

Then Prissy unwisely repeats another fiction about Gibson, using our very own Friday flashback video where Rob Boston argues with Gibby about Plano Texas. Gibson keeps trying to tell Boston that none of the things he's complaining about were in Gibby's book (The War on Christmas). But like Rob Boston, Prissy doesn't care, and adds that Boston "debunked" Gibson's claims here:
In Gibson’s new book, The War on Christmas: How the Liberal Plot to Ban the Sacred Christian Holiday Is Worse Than You Thought, he asserts that the public schools in Plano, Texas, have banned students from wearing green and red clothes. The story has been reported uncritically in other media outlets and hyped by Bill O’Reilly but it is apparently untrue.
The fact that Rob Boston was brazenly lying about what Gibson wrote is amply demonstrated in the very clip Priscilla posted in the article, and again in our flashback video from just two days ago. Moreover, there is an entire chapter in the book on Plano, and nowhere in that chapter or anywhere else does John Gibson state that they banned red and green clothing. Rob Boston lied and Prissy promotes his libel, knowing it's untrue, just to smear Gibson. That sort of makes her qualify for the L-word: liar.

In a peculiar postcript to this ugly business, a reader notes that she is using a J$P video, and Priscilla unconvincingly pretends this is news to her:
  • You got that second video from Johnny Dollar's site? Ooh, he's going to be mad! He'll whine and cry and stamp his feet now!
  • You Betcha ;) - Actually, I got it from You Tube. But if Dollar posted it, I send out a big, wet kiss....
Request denied.

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chris
Good Job and thanks for the credits. I will continue to keep my eye on Media Matters and Olbermann.
 
As for prissy, I caught her lying about Oreilly. Prissy claims that Oreilly called Behar "the dumb one"-in reality it was "that's dumb one" regarding Behar comments on Tiger Woods.
December 13, 2009, 7:48:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


chris
one more thing: Patrick called me a liar in one of my posts you linked to, I asked him to prove it.......still waiting
December 13, 2009, 7:50:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "Numb3rs Games": MM's lie also made it to "Countdown" on Tuesday night. Keith named "Fox & Friends" Worser. Included in the attack: "... the fine folks at Cluster Fox [Ding!] and Friends again. A poll from the right wing [Ding! manipulated [Ding!] Rasmussen Reports ... does Fox falsify the news to support their own theories on everything? One hundred percent of the respondents were unable to stop laughing long enough to answer." Oy.
December 13, 2009, 8:13:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


ranjet
But if Dollar posted it, I send out a big, wet kiss....
Request denied.  
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Ahhhhh.....holding out for a better offer?
December 13, 2009, 8:26:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


chris
this is priceless from the newsliars regarding John Gibson:
 
the same guy who urged Fox viewers to “make more babies [as Priscilla pointed out, the unspoken part is “make more white babies”]  
 
This time from Julie. How often will the newsliars repeat this lie. the post is today's at 8:29pm
December 13, 2009, 9:02:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
They'll repeat it over and over. The bigger the lie, the more it needs repetition. Years later they're still lying about what's in Gibson's book! (Which I got a copy of just so I could absolutely verify that they are in fact lying.)
December 13, 2009, 10:05:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
News Hounds lie??
 
Does the sun rise in the east?
 
Is the Pope catholic?
 
Is littlejohn an idiot?
December 14, 2009, 8:22:18 AM EST – Like – Reply


chris
I see Patrick is lying about me:
 
you never asked me to prove anything you and when I did you deleted it
 
WRONG:
 
So I'm lying? why don't you prove it? Also prove that I posted at reddit. Since I NEVER have. Your thinking that I posted at reddit is not proof. Your the liar patrick.
 
December 10, 2009 12:49 PM
 
After that I never heard from him again
 
That comment can be found in the Media Matters double standard about Olbermann Geography fail
December 14, 2009, 11:59:46 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"you never asked me to prove anything you and when I did you deleted it"
 
That makes typical li'l feller sense. You never asked him to prove a point, so he just went ahead and did it anyway.
 
Patrick prove anything? Never gonna happen!
 
Patrick really ought to go out and get himself a life.
December 14, 2009, 12:02:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Does the sun rise in the east?
 
Is the Pope catholic?
 
Is littlejohn an idiot?
Blackflon | 12.14.09 - 8:27 am | #  
 
Allow me?
 
Yes.
 
Yes.
 
Yes.
December 14, 2009, 12:37:49 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
"
Is the Pope catholic?"
 
I remember when that question was
 
Is the Pope Italian?
December 14, 2009, 4:02:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"Convicted traitor" North?
 
The hounds are quite stupid if they believe that nonsense.
December 14, 2009, 6:51:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
"Convicted traitor" North?
 
The hounds are quite stupid if they believe that nonsense.
Ashley | 12.14.09 - 6:56 pm | #  
 
Correct. North was not convicted as a "traitor". But the Hounds have to lie about something.
December 15, 2009, 7:41:14 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
North is not a convicted anything.
December 15, 2009, 10:15:54 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
North was convicted of several felonies and none of them had anything to do with being a traitor. Those convictions were vacated due to testimony given by North under immunity was illegally presented to the jury in his criminal case. As I recall, the ACLU helped him out on this.
 
Regardless, had they not have been overturned and the felonies were allowed to stand, North was not facing any jail time. His punishment would have been merely a fine and community service. A far cry from the Newshounds claim that he is a convicted traitor.
December 15, 2009, 11:42:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Your history is correct but it is still false for anyone to claim North is a convicted anything. When a conviction is overturned it is as if it never happened. The law is crystal clear on that. North ran for Senate after his legal battle, and I suspect in his state a felon could not run for Senate.
December 15, 2009, 12:00:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Absolutely, with the convictions vacated, North's record was cleared. Facts are facts and some of the newshounds don't believe in them.
December 15, 2009, 1:21:51 PM EST – Like – Reply


kevin
It’s interesting that you cite Jagler's column where he falsely claims that beck, sanity and O'Reilly have called Obama a "secret Muslim". but if you had scrolled down a few more lines to the next paragraph, you would have seen where he claims, "she turns on MSNBC, where hosts Ed Schultz, Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow have told her that former President George W. Bush was not very smart and former vice president Dick Cheney is evil"... To my knowledge, none of those anchors have ever called dick Cheney "evil".
 
I don’t know, but this seems to show that the article may be more satirical and over-exaggerating facts. You might want to keep that in mind.
 
As for the claim that media matters is being hypocritical by ignoring Olbermann's Czechoslovakia blunder, you seem to forget the fact that media matters is a conservative watchdog and points out conservative misinformation... just like Brent Bozell's Newsbusters does the same against liberals and has its own bit of hypocrisy pointing out liberal blunders while conservatives have probably done the same things. It happens on both sides.
 
Also, Olbermann not pointing out that he is a part of the Daily Kos, while bringing on the founder of Daily Kos, is not akin to Gretchen Carlson doing an interview with a baseball player who her husband is his agent. Don’t you think that is a bit of a conflict of interest, especially with how much Carlson was drooling over Jeter? It wouldn’t hurt if she had pointed it out. How is that compared to Olbermann blogging on a website that has been purported by conservatives as "far-left"? That is their opinion. Maybe you should also consider that the people at Daily Kos may not call themselves liberal or on the "far-left".
 
By the way, Olbermann stated that fox news was the last CHANNEL to fire Gibson... nobody said anything about working for Fox News' radio station. Last time I checked, those aren’t the same. You might want to tell your source that, too.
 
As for News Corpse's article about the fox nation and the "War on Christmas", what does the Chicago Tribune article have to do with anything? News Corpse is condemning the fox nation and its headline. Hence, they showed the screenshot from the fox nation of the Obama's with the headline "First Couple Sends 'Holiday Cards,' Doesn't Mention 'Christmas'". They never criticized (let alone mentioned) the tribune article.
 
And the claim by News Corpse that NBC News has four times as many viewers as O’Reilly: First of all, NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams has one airing, not two. A quick check of TV guide's program listing proves that. And second, News Corpse was referring to NBC news (NBC Nightly News, The Today Show, Meet the Press, etc.), not just NBC Nightly News. And with that, it gets 4 times as many viewers as O'Reilly. Whether you want to use that logic is up to you, but that is what he was referring to, which you failed to disclose.
 
Next, regarding media matters addressing the Rasmussen poll on fox news with the fuzzy math, what other conclusion could one reach when looking at that poll? If you can do math, you can see how fox news mashed up all those numbers together, when the real poll says something different. By the way, Fordham University stating that Rasmussen was the most accurate poll is pretty questionable seeing as how during the 2008 election, they were predicting many times that John McCain was ahead of Obama in the polls when every other poll had him behind.
 
Regarding newshounds and their article on the "terror on trial" segment from Hannity's program, calling for the president to be arrested for treason without a shred of proof is different than newshounds proving (with facts) that Novak is a traitor for outing Valerie Plame, John Kasich leaking National Security information, David Horowitz admitting his traitorous past, Karl Rove also revealing government secrets and Oliver North being involved in a scandal selling weapons to terrorists (remember Iran-Contra?). Yeah, I’d say those things are pretty treasonous... what has Obama done similar to that?
 
Also, that "more white babies" comment by John Gibson was not debunked by anybody. His comments were clear as day and depending on how you interpret it, you can rationalize it into whatever you want, and it seems like you did that.
December 16, 2009, 9:02:40 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams has one airing, not two. A quick check of TV guide's program listing proves that. "
 
I'm sorry but you are very mistaken. It airs a second time three hours later for the West coast. I don't think that's something that a check of the tv guide makes clear.
 
"They never criticized (let alone mentioned) the tribune article."
 
Excellent. Then you understand the point I was making. Blame Fox for something without mentioning that it was actually written by someone else.
 
"what other conclusion could one reach when looking at that poll?"
 
The conclusion I would come to is that somebody added up the numbers in an odd way. I wouldn't pin it on Fox or its graphic department. And then when it turned out that Fox wasn't at fault, I wouldn't do what Media Matters did: edit out the precise paragraph from Politico that shows where the numbers breakdown came from, and then repeat the claim (now known to be false) that it was Fox's graphic department at faut. That my friend is called dishonesty and lying, and Media Mattters was caught in it.
 
As for your paragraph about how the newshounds "proved with facts" that a bunch of peoples are traitors--not to mention their claim that North is a "convicted traitor"--well why dont they send their secret information to the Prosecutor so he can have all these people put in jail or shot? I'm afraid that this makes it look like your arguments are just driven by politics and ideology, which make very poor lenses for discerning the truth.
December 16, 2009, 10:27:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


chris
"By the way, Olbermann stated that fox news was the last CHANNEL to fire Gibson... nobody said anything about working for Fox News' radio station. Last time I checked, those aren’t the same. You might want to tell your source that, too."
 
Well since I was his source-you are correct that he said channel, but before that he said "fox noise"-that was a lie-And the point I was making. I watched the show and heard the audio online. Also what proof does Olbermann have that he was fired? Olby say-so? Then there is this from the NYtimes:
 
"John Gibson, the longtime host of “The Big Story,” will continue to have a role on television, the network said, although it appears that his future for now lies mostly on radio"
 
What was that about being fired?  
 
As for Fox News station-I disagree-He works for Fox News Talk-he can be heard all across the US on many different stations.
 
As for Media Matters: how exactly is Doocy and McCallum being wrong-misinformation on a news quiz? It was a quiz-they got it wrong and the correct answer was given.
 
Olbermann has used daily kos to gain viewers to his show. he has given Daily Kos previews of his special Comments. Daily Kos is far-left-I actually visit the site, so I know. Olbermann/MSNBC actually used a image from the Daily Kos without saying so. he runs to that site for stories and in some way needs some sort of approval from the site. i stand by everything I wrote-you disagree? Fine
December 16, 2009, 11:13:30 AM EST – Like – Reply


chris
oh another thing about Media Matters: Olbermann uses the site to bash who ever olbermann dislikes. In the past MM use to HIGHLIGHT olbermann doing it. It worked like this:
 
MM does a negative post about say Fox News
 
Olbermann then useses that to slam Fox News
 
MM then shows the clip of Olbermann slamming Fox News
 
The echo-chamber at work.
December 16, 2009, 11:22:52 AM EST – Like – Reply


chris
Also, that "more white babies" comment by John Gibson was not debunked by anybody. His comments were clear as day and depending on how you interpret it, you can rationalize it into whatever you want, and it seems like you did that.
 
Actaully it was debunked. Try reading this: http://johnnydollar.us/2004a/C1049953760/E20070409220134/index.html and http://johnnydollar.us/2004a/C1049953760/E20070320145114/index.html
 
You will get the FULL context of it and not a sliced and diced comment.
December 16, 2009, 11:26:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


Richard
Also, Olbermann not pointing out that he is a part of the Daily Kos, while bringing on the founder of Daily Kos, is not akin to Gretchen Carlson doing an interview with a baseball player who her husband is his agent. Don’t you think that is a bit of a conflict of interest, especially with how much Carlson was drooling over Jeter? It wouldn’t hurt if she had pointed it out. How is that compared to Olbermann blogging on a website that has been purported by conservatives as "far-left"? That is their opinion. Maybe you should also consider that the people at Daily Kos may not call themselves liberal or on the "far-left".
kevin | 12.16.09 - 9:07 am |
 
You forget that The Daily Kos is not a "far left" blog it has ONE reason to exist and that is to ELECT DEMOCRATS. Its in the FAQ...if you post a diary about a Far Left person who is running against a Democrats this is what will happen......first they will tell you this is a DEMOCRAT blog....then others will call you a traitor....others will call you names and others will tell you to delete this diary NOW. Take a look at the once darling Cindy Sheehan......she ran against Speaker Nancy Pelosi and was almost much banned that day and has never blog again.
 
From the KOS FAQ:
 
This is a Democratic blog, a partisan blog. But it's not a liberal blog. It's a Democratic blog with one goal in mind: electoral victory.  
 
http://www.dkosopedia.com/wiki/DailyKos_FAQ#What_is_the_purpose_of_this_site.3F
 
Shouldn’t KO tell people that he blogs on a Blog that’s mission is to elect Democrats...while hes lying about Republicans?
 
It seems to me GC conflict of interest isn’t even in the same league as KO...I’m my god he’s bloging on a blog who’s mission is to elect DEMOCRATS while hosting a show that bashes Republicans ever day....and how could anyone REALLY think that no 100 worse than GC doing a puff piece on someone her HUSBAND is a agent to...I mean REALLY????
 
As for Newsdope.....that’s just spin by someone who cant see past his hate for Fox, He lies about almost everything.
December 16, 2009, 4:01:00 PM EST – Like – Reply