3/3/09 1:21 PM

A Miracle of Dishonesty

Of all the fabulists at the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed syndicate), Priscilla is rapidly becoming our favorite. Today's bit of brilliance is a bizarre amalgam of ignorance and deceit, but it's all in a day's work for someone who sees things that aren't there, and hears things that weren't said. In this case, it's Fox's outrageous use of the term "miracle" for the rescue of the downed plane's passengers:

Certainly there are other means of describing an amazing, extraordinary survival story which was the result of a very competent and heroic airline pilot - “miracle” being just one of them. But not so for Fox News which, for two solid hours this morning on Fox&Friends, used, almost exclusively, a chyron with the following phrases: “Miracle landing,” “Plane makes miracle landing,” “ Miracle on the Hudson,” “Hudson river miraculous landing.”
Just how did Fox & Friends use those phrases for "two solid hours" when they also covered Bush's speech, the inauguration, and a bunch of other topics?

But that's not Prissy's only falsehood. There's also her fatuous claim that those four phrases were used "almost exclusively"--a claim that the credulous kennel dwellers eagerly lapped up as true. When one commenter dared to note that other channels were using the term "miracle" as well, he was immediately slapped down by a pound denizen who pointed out that the other channels didn't run "a constant chyron with those words". Well, guess what? Neither did Fox. We described Priscilla's claim as fatuous because it's so easily proven to be a lie. Here are some of the chryons found in a quick scan of just a half hour of plane coverage:


Not a 'miracle' among 'em [raw screenshots here]. But wait, our newspoodle has more:
On today’s Fox News webpage, the pilot is described as a “Miracle Man.” (while the more reality based San Franciso Chronicle has “Bay Area Pilot Hailed As A Hero.”)
Unfortunately, the article on foxnews.com has no such phrase in it. And a search of foxnews.com turns up no use of that phrase in any article:


Priscilla is certainly batting a thousand. But she has one final arrow in her deceitful quiver:
Is it just lazy writers or Fox News being America’s Christian newsroom?
The gullible denizens of the dog pound love this sort of drivel, and having swallowed the lie about the chyrons, they dug into this like it was a fresh bowl of Alpo:
  • I was wondering how Fux would spin this. The "angels walk among us" angle takes me by surprise.
  • I guess FNC figures the same people who think their lucky troll doll and prayer will increase their chances in the bingo parlor will chalk this up to divine intervention
  • Any excuse at all to make it look as if we have some form of divine intervention at work every day.
  • It is a conscious effort on Fox News' part to titillate their audience with simplistic religious claptrap
Yes, just like those religious zealots at ABC News and NBC News:


Not to mention USA Today, The Nation, Bloomberg, or the 3600 other news sources who used some version of this evocative phraseology. Oh but you know the Fox hater rule: it's only bad when Fox does it.

One postscript: the person who popularized the phrase "Miracle on the Hudson", whose imagery was echoed in thousands of news reports, was not someone on Fox. It was David Paterson (D), Governor of New York. You will not be surprised that Priscilla makes no mention of this whatsoever. All the better to pretend it was all the doing of the eeevil Fox.




Bababooey
I really cannot see any reason why Newshounds would make a big deal about it, we should all be rejoicing in the fact that a"miracle" did happen. While we all see the world throw the word "Heroic" around like someone trading stamps, the pilot of the plane is what heroes are made of as Brian Williams of NBC he went " Balls to the Walls" and saved everone on that plane.  
I guess if Newshounds don't like the world miracle then maybe they can find us a better analogy. But there isn't one, it one a true "Miracle"
January 16, 2009, 3:37:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
For all the idiocy we hear about being out of the mainstream because a Democrat was elected president, this nitpicking is just too ironic.
 
How alienated from the majority must you be when after an airliner falls in a busy river and there is no loss of life, the giddy celebratory use of the term "miracle" seems like sermonizing or pandering to you.
 
Good grief, you jackasses! Can you put this rancid grudge aside for ten minutes and merely be overjoyed along with everyone else?
January 16, 2009, 3:38:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


tony
Any one who has ever read the posts on NH knows that they are just a group of very bitter people. They are happiest when they are miserable.
January 16, 2009, 3:52:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I really cannot see any reason why Newshounds would make a big deal about it
 
by baba
 
Three words. Desperate to smear. By all counts, even priscillas, it was a miracle. How dare Fox News and EVERY OTHER media outlet call it a miracle. How dare they!
January 16, 2009, 3:59:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Minor point for Prissy - Barry White did not sing "You Sexy Thing".
 
It may have been that Steve Ellison!
January 16, 2009, 4:19:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Only having the gist of what your talking about, I will just stick to the word "Miracle/Miraculous" . Perhaps it's their lack of vocabulary that is being questioned?
 
Here are just a few that could have been used instead of or along with:
 
Amazing
Astounding
Astonishing
Incredible
Unbelievable
Phenomenal
Marvelous
Extraordinary
Wonderful
Wondrous
 
I have to agree that the plane landing was phenomenal. That no one was hurt was truly wondrous. The pilot is a true hero, he exhibited extraordinary behavior by both landing the plane and making sure there was no one left aboard!
January 16, 2009, 4:49:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
It's more like it's their supposed 'lack of vocabulary' that Priscilla lied about.
January 16, 2009, 4:50:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
In all honesty, "What the Hell" Or "What is up Priscilla's Ass" Sorry for the language Johnny but God!
January 16, 2009, 5:08:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Only having the gist of what your talking about, I will just stick to the word "Miracle/Miraculous" . Perhaps it's their lack of vocabulary that is being questioned?
 
1fortheroad | 01.16.09 - 4:54 pm | #  
 
Well, it most certainly would be amazing, astounding, incredible, and unbelievable if Priscilla's sole gripe was a dearth of color commentary. However, judging from her statement "Is it just lazy writers or Fox News being America’s Christian newsroom?", that was not her sole gripe.
 
I had no idea it was only Christians who had cornered the market on the concept of miracles. I thought a few Jews and Muslims might entertain the notion of divine intervention as well...
 
Color me astonished...
January 16, 2009, 6:15:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


Priscilla
Oh, Darn. I should have done a screen shot of the photo of the pilot with the words "Miracle Man" beside it. It was there (quite clever, actually); but if Johnny Dollar says it wasn't I guess, that (as they say in Plan 9 from Outer Space) "proves it." It was very visible on the upper right hand corner; but it isn't there now because the page has been updated. (Ewww, I'm convinced by the websearch). I thought the photo and caption (rather creative)was interesting due to the juxtaposition between Fox and the San Franciso Chronicle (great paper. BTW). And, as the "Church Lady" would say, "isn't it special" that Johnnie would post all the "Fox Alerts" when I was referring to the, not so conspicuous, chyrons that appeared between 7 and 9PM during which time the coverage was "almost" exclusively centered on the crash. As far as a "bunch"(couldn't you be more specific?) of topics, a short mention on the news of said topics (love the generalities) is more like a solitary veggie - and not a bunch. Oh, wait - Brent Bozo-elle whined about the cost of the inauguration and how the liberals aren't outraged. But love the "alerts," Johnnie - do ya have a time stamp cuz if ya don't then it's your word against mine. But then if you believe in miracles....
January 16, 2009, 7:10:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Priscilla, you only dig a deeper grave when you try to gloss over what you pulled here. Every chryon I showed is from this morning's Fox & Friends, the very show you claim to have been writing about. The very program that you insist had "miracle" something on the chryon virtually non-stop. What's more, I still have the full screens of each of those.
 
Your suggestion that I would lie about something like this is really a bit of projection on your part. But if you're saying it's your word against mine, well, that's sort of like saying it's confederate money against gold. But thanks for commenting.
January 16, 2009, 7:19:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


tony
Oh, wait - Brent Bozo-elle whined about the cost of the inauguration and how the liberals aren't outraged. But love the "alerts," Johnnie - do ya =======================
 
Well Pris, since you brought it up. Im sure that you will agree with how hypocritical the msm is in relation to Bush and the chosen one, wouldnt you? Why no outrage now?
January 16, 2009, 7:23:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh I forgot...
 
"As far as a "bunch"(couldn't you be more specific?) of topics"
 
Well, a segment on the Geithner nomination, another on the Bush speech, Chris Wallace, two on the inaugural...is that specific enough for you? Is that enough to establish that your four chryons (carefully cherry-picked out of dozens that appeared!) were not on the screen for "two solid hours"?
January 16, 2009, 7:29:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


Priscilla
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.16.09 - 7:34 pm
 
Brief intermezzos, only. But whatever....
January 16, 2009, 7:35:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
I logged on to the Fox News website late this afternoon US time and saw over a dozen instances of "miracle" being used, and last night while watching the live feed the commentators used the word so many times that my entire family, including the kids, commented on it. We wondered if they were under orders to use the word "miracle" at every opportunity.  
 
And PS to Tony - your post reeks of red herring.
 
I can't comment on the chyrons because I wasn't watching F+F, but "for two solid hours" can mean non-stop or "on and off over the course of two hours". If all you can do is nitpick Priscilla's choice of words then it is clear that you have little or nothing to say about the substantive meaning of the post, which is that Fox are tryng to pander to the religious "right" demographic, who are starting to drift away from the political radical RW after having been used and discarded by the Bush administration.
 
Priscilla must really be getting under your skin. She is kicking Fox butt over at Newshounds and between her new input and the new moderation system initiated by Ellen the site is rockin'. The quality of comments has gone way up and there are loads of new posters on the threads, with a variety of points of view.
January 16, 2009, 8:59:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"saw over a dozen instances of "miracle" being used"
 
So what? "Miracle on the Hudson" appears literally hundreds of times on the MSNBC website according to a Google search. So what?
 
"If all you can do is nitpick Priscilla's choice of words"
 
No, I "nitpick" when she doesn't tell the truth. When she claims that four chryons were used "almost exclusively" for two hours, when in fact there were DOZENS of chyrons used--and she just cherry-picked four of them. That's called lying.
 
"Priscilla must really be getting under your skin."
 
Oh, I suppose in the same way a serial liar would be offensive to anyone who believes in telling the truth. But I'm happy you're pleased with the comments at the newsliars place, along with the variety of points of view. You have the entire gamut of opinion there: everything from A to B.
January 16, 2009, 9:06:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
"I suppose in the same way a serial liar would be offensive to anyone who believes in telling the truth."
 
And that's why the Hounds unspin Fox spin. Fox: "We lie, you decide".
January 16, 2009, 9:11:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
"You have the entire gamut of opinion there: everything from A to B."
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Pot/Kettle/Black! ROFL!
January 16, 2009, 9:12:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
um, you can post here. I can't post there.
January 16, 2009, 9:19:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Pegleg, I watched FNC last night too for a few hours and I didn't notice the use of "miracle" like you and your entire family supposedly did. I'm not even particularly religious but I'd certainly call the perfect emergency landing a miracle.  
 
Plus, you would have to make the same charges against the rest of the media (except, of course, the saintly SFC) if you want to criticize FNC.  
 
Nice to know that you ate up Prissy's BS like the rest of the toe-liners over there.
January 16, 2009, 9:26:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
John, you have them so defensive! What a laugh to see those posts. Priss and Pegs posts quite adequately demonstrate that you are certainly (or Soytenlee as the great Jerome "Curly" Howard would say) on the right track!!!!!
January 16, 2009, 9:27:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
with a variety of points of view.
Pegleg Peggy | 01.16.09 - 9:04 pm | #  
 
Yep, you betcha!
 
"Faux Sucks"
"Fux Sux"
"Stupid FNC."
" Fux"
"O'rally"
"Faux"
"F-Tards"
"Doocy is a tool!"
"Chimp"
 
There's some variety. All off of one thread! LOL!
January 16, 2009, 9:54:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Fox News Loves Miracles?
 
Who doesn't?
January 16, 2009, 10:14:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"The quality of comments has gone way up and there are loads of new posters on the threads, with a variety of points of view." -Pegleg
 
I just checked out the comment thread in question on their site. Nary a dissenting thought. It was all about how it wasn't a "miracle" but really great training and great technology. Why can't it be both?  
 
To claim that there is anything but toe stepping there is dishonest, Pegleg. You know this because you posted a few comments yourself there.
January 16, 2009, 10:17:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Every chryon I showed is from this morning's Fox & Friends, the very show you claim to have been writing about.  
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.16.09 - 7:24 pm | #  
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How come some of them are from different time zones? If it was in F&F's time frame, some of the times just don't match up.
January 16, 2009, 10:54:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
This is why people who don't watch Fox are so gullible and willing to swallow lies.
 
There are no 'different time zones' for Fox and Friends. Like every other program on every cable news channel in America it airs at the same time all across the country. There is only one feed. If you watched Fox for even 3 minutes you'd know that they give the time in all four time zones. They rotate thru the different time zones constantly. So there's no such thing as it being from "different time zones".
 
Please, if you are here to attack Fox, or defend Fox haters, at least try to know what you are talking about next time.
January 16, 2009, 11:04:35 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
As john t admits that he doesn't watch Fox or understand cross-country cable broadcasts...
January 16, 2009, 11:07:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Food for thought. I wonder how these folks would fare posting at the NH Miracle thread.
 
“Miracles happen everyday, change your perception of what a miracle is and you'll see them all around you.”- Jon Bon Jovi  
 
“There are two ways to live: you can live as if nothing is a miracle; you can live as if everything is a miracle.”- Albert Einstein  
 
“I am the miracle.”-Buddha  
 
“For the truly faithful, no miracle is necessary. For those who doubt, no miracle is sufficient.”-Nancy Gibbs
 
“When we do the best that we can, we never know what miracle is wrought in our life, or in the life of another.” -Helen Keller  
 
“You have to take risks. We will only understand the miracle of life fully when we allow the unexpected to happen.”- Paulo Coelho  
 
"That is the true genius of America, a faith in the simple dreams of its people, the insistence on small miracles."-Mystery Man
 
And the Greatest Miracle in the World
http://www.wowzone.com/godmemo.htm
January 16, 2009, 11:13:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.16.09 - 11:09 pm  
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If F&F's are on between 7:00am and 9:00am, why would they be showing the time has:
 
5:05 CT
5:07 CT
5:17 CT
3:03 PT ?
January 16, 2009, 11:13:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Hey jt
January 16, 2009, 11:15:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Insider
Please do not try to apply logic to figure out what makes the Newshounds tick, because it just will not work.
 
They are unhinged about anybody and anything not on the dingbat left. It's really that simple.
January 16, 2009, 11:22:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
F&F is on from 6:00 am to 9.00 am. I used chyrons from the first 15 minutes or so of hour one and hour two.
January 16, 2009, 11:31:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Well maybe you should tell Fox that. On their website it say's F&F's 7:00am to 9:00am.
 
Then it says this.
 
This weekend:
• Tune in an extra hour early
— 6 a.m. ET — as we kick off our 'Inauguration 2009' coverage!
January 16, 2009, 11:46:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
J$,
 
It's a fact of nature that those who play fast and loose with the truth, who won't admit making a mistake, and who feel justified and rationalize being disengenuous believe most people do the same.
January 16, 2009, 11:56:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Jt you are certainly persistent arguing a subject you know so little about. F&F runs 6-9 on weekdays, 7-10 on weekends except this weekend when it expands to 6-10. Again please inform yourself before you make such silly arguments.
January 16, 2009, 11:56:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


john t
Here Dollar, is the link to F&F's. Look uder the headline "Miracle on the Hudson". Check out the 2 videos with the 2 passengers. Together they're about 14 and 1/2 mins. They show a chryon with the word miracle 15 times.
 
http://www.foxnews.com/foxfriends/index.html
 
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January 17, 2009, 1:27:54 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I guess no one at News Curs has heard the expressions "the miracle of technology" or "technological miracles".
 
You have everyone from People magazine to the Associated Press (google news-- "miracle") calling the incident "The Miracle on the Hudson".
 
Seems there's has not been such a mass pandering to people of faith since the media labeled the U.S. hockey team's win against the Soviets in the 1980 Olympics as the "Miracle on Ice".
 
Those pimps...
January 17, 2009, 8:05:22 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
To claim that there is anything but toe stepping there is dishonest, Pegleg. You know this because you posted a few comments yourself there.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 01.16.09 - 10:22 pm | #
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I'm sure if anyone has dissenting comments to make they will be welcome as long as they are made in a civil manner (there are some people on permanent bans due to strong evidence that the only reason they come there is to hijack the threads or be vile). Vstol posted there on another thread last night and was treated with courtesy until it seemed he was beating a dead horse, at which time he was politely asked to move on. (Personally I usually like most of his posts - even if I don't always agree - both here and over there, and would like to see him at NH more often).
 
There are comments here on the miracle story that would stand up well and add to the discussion at NH-  
 
vstol | 01.16.09 - 11:18 pm | #  
1fortheroad | 01.16.09 - 4:54 pm | #
 
And I would love to see them go up.
 
I see a number of snarky ad hominem attacks on myself here and I will not reply to them, as I am not interested in indulging in a pissing contest. But this I will say: as a Christian I would like to believe that miracles occur, but as a person with a degree in philosophy (theology minor) I also know that there are difficult questions to be answered when one claims that God intervenes to save one person or group of people and not another, questions that call God's love and justice, and our free will, into doubt. These questions have been (and still are) taken seriously by theologians throughout the centuries and this is why most of them err on the side of caution when deciding what is a "miracle" or even a direct answer to a prayer. Unfortunately, as religion has become a multi-billion dollar business in America over the past three or so decades, it has become dumbed down and now everyone seems to claim to know the will of God and that Jesus talks to them over their cornflakes. And its not just happening on the "right" though it tends to be far more common there.  
 
One more comment about diversity of opinion: I have fought tooth and nail with some people on NH threads over the years for saying things like "religion is a mental disorder", "sky daddy" "imaginary friend", comments lumping all christians together, and so forth (depending on the context in which it was said). With others it hasn't been fighting but reminders. All of the regular posters over there know my position on this by now so on the miracle thread there was no need to be a bore by going on about it yet again. And overall I agree that Fox really overdid the "miracle" thing , for the reasons I have stated. If MSNBC and others did the same thing, then shame on them too. I think we who have faith can thank God without claiming it t be a miracle, if we believe that the hand of God holds us all up, all the time, keeping us in existence. That's enough of a miracle and doesn't raise questions about our free will or God's justice.
January 17, 2009, 9:12:49 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Check out the 2 videos"
 
Unfortunately Priscilla wasn't just writing about those two interviews. Is this supposed to be your evidence that for "two solid hours" Fox used only four chryons "almost exclusively"? If that's where you going with this, you only have one hour and 45 minutes to go on your project. During which you'll also have to account for the 18 chyrons I screengrabbed (and at least a dozen more I didn't get to). Maybe you can give us an update when you get to the one hour mark.
January 17, 2009, 10:21:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Pegleg Peggy | 01.17.09 - 9:17 am | #
 
Well, in trying to give justification for being disturbed at FNC for using the term miracle, you've posted Exhibit A as to how this entire issue is really "just smoke from another fire".
 
Considering that Madison Avenue has been replete with miracle cures and Miracle Wax and Miracle Whip...for the word to have set off this sort of philosophizing is clear indication that it's a personal issue with the people who take umbrage to it.
 
Miracle is a term that just easily denotes having had the luck to have "beaten the odds" as much as it denotes divine intervention.
 
The motivation to merely bash FNC aside..... if you are alarmed or dismayed that a "wrong" or "pandering" message might be sent to the "usual suspects" with the frequent use of the term "miracle" in circumstances as ecumentically joyous as these and as clear from any religious setting, then the issue, the implications, and the sense of grievance are all your own.
 
Most of the public is just fine with marveling and rejoicing over this awesome odds- beating event and are fine with allowing people to interpret what happened in the Hudson (and the term miracle) precisely as they wish.
January 17, 2009, 11:07:09 AM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Pegleg, I appreciate your hopes and dreams to have some opposing viewpoints at NH, but that's a far cry from having "loads of new posters on the threads, with a variety of points of view." Backpedal much?
 
Then again, you lost me at "as a person with a degree in philosophy (theology minor)". :lol:
January 17, 2009, 11:28:50 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
No Cecelia, there is a difference between the colloquial use of the word "miracle" as meaning "amazing", and "miracle" as in a direct intervention of God in earthly events. The way that it was used by Fox over and over, to the almost complete exclusion of other adjectives, suggests to me that the remarks are directed towards the religious far right, who are a huge market for them. As I said earlier, my whole family found it odd. It was my teenage daughter who pointed it out.  
 
Fox and the Bush administration have politicized the language of religion to such a degree that those of us who are both Christian and not-conservatives end up having to explain the latter. As soon as I say I am a Christian almost everyone I meet, right and left, makes assumptions about my political and social views which are incorrect. That is what underlies my objections to Fox in particular placing such heavy emphasis on what they seem to be implying is a direct intervention by God. Rove, Fox et al have deliberately co-opted the language of faith. It started with Gingrich and came to fruition over the past 8 years.
 
As far as rejoicing: I am an American and a native New Yorker. When I tuned in to Fox to see what Cavuto was up to, late in the evening here in Ireland, and saw the live feed of the plane being towed in, I even called my husband in and got my kids out of bed to see it, and marvel and rejoice we did. We think Sully is a hero, as are the FDNY and everyone else who took part, and they all make me proud to be American.
January 17, 2009, 11:42:36 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
So the "religious far right" has a corner on miracles? That implies that other religions and/or viewpoints don't believe in divine intervention? Or maybe they are false religions because they have no miracles to claim?
 
Last time I checked, miracles of one sort or another were common to most religious faiths.
January 17, 2009, 11:49:09 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Well FoxFan, I only cited my background to illustrate that these sorts of issues concern me as a matter of course and keep me questioning the nature of my faith and beliefs (e.g. the nature of a "miracle"). I fail to understand why that is some sort of problem for you.
 
And no I'm not backpedalling. There are loads of new posters, and there is a variety of points of view, including some opposing ones, though maybe not as many or as extreme as you might wish. All I did was invite more to that particular thread. I thought Vstol's post was particularly good. Nice try, FoxFan.
January 17, 2009, 11:52:15 AM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
So the "religious far right" has a corner on miracles? That implies that other religions and/or viewpoints don't believe in divine intervention? Or maybe they are false religions because they have no miracles to claim?
 
Last time I checked, miracles of one sort or another were common to most religious faiths.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 11:54 am | #  
 
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I smell a red herring. Nothing I said implied what you are saying here.
January 17, 2009, 11:53:57 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You didn't suggest that the 'miracle' reference was a shout-out to the 'religious right'? If I'm wrong about that then I apologize. But it seems to me you did, which implies exactly what I wrote above.
January 17, 2009, 12:08:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Frankly, Peggy, if after a plane crash into a river that resulted in no loss of life, you then have to launch into treatise on the careful and proper use of the term "miracle", as well as a screed invoking Karl Rove and the "right"--- the only person "politicizing" the term, the issue, and the news story--- is YOU.
January 17, 2009, 12:24:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Then again, you lost me at "as a person with a degree in philosophy (theology minor)".
Fox Fan | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 11:33 am | #  
 
She did that as a claim to authority and as a separation from those dumbed-down religious masses so unlearned as to hear God's voice over a bowl of cereal
 
(If not in the muddy river Jordan or from the mouth of a donkey...)
January 17, 2009, 12:29:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I just don't understand how anyone can complain about the use of the word 'Miracle" no matter what you think of Fox News, tell me Peggy, what should have Fox News have said instead of Miracle
Peggy does newshound think that Jesus did not create miracle or do you think he was just a magician.
January 17, 2009, 12:37:19 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh no, MSNBC is using Karl Rove tricks to appeal to the far-right religious kooks!
 
http://tinyurl.com/8jkv2o
January 17, 2009, 2:03:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
"Dissenting opinions are welcome (at NH) as long as they are civil..."
 
That's a lie, Pegleg. My posts have been 99% nuked over there, and I don't use foul language, threats or name-calling. Then they have the unmitigated gall to call me a coward. You know where the cowardice lies, and it's not with me.
January 17, 2009, 2:43:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Funny I watched a news broad cast last night, that showed a photo of the survivors standing on the wing of the plane ankle deep in water waiting for rescue.
 
They rightly implied this was a miracle, because the imaginary of the photo hinted to 'walking on water'. The reference was intended and I doubt it offended anyone, but it is possible to over use the symbolism and make it trite!
 
I won't give you the link, because it seems you frown at such things.
January 17, 2009, 3:47:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Your site seems to telling me - my post hasn't gone through, but I see it has. Now I am afraid you will get what appear to be double posts because of it.
January 17, 2009, 4:08:01 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
broad cast > broadcast
 
imaginary > imagery
 
over use > overuse (preferred as a verb)
 
Keep coming back
January 17, 2009, 4:21:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"Miracle on the Hudson"
 
MSNBC
 
Will there be outrage from the Fox Haters or will they show their left wing bias?
January 17, 2009, 4:37:10 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
If Olbermann said that BHO was "God", the newshounds would probably be silent. MSNBC refers to the US Air flight as a "miracle", the hounds are silent. FNC refers to the US Air flight as a "miracle", the hounds go ballistic.
January 17, 2009, 5:00:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Sorry sent the first version before I previewed it smarty pants......hit the wrong button.
 
Ever done that? I cleaned up the second version, since I received a not posted message. Can't help it if haloScan is all screwed up!
January 17, 2009, 5:15:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sorry, I didn't clear the 2nd and 3rd posts because they appeared to be repeats of the 1st. If you want to post a revised final final version go ahead.
January 17, 2009, 5:18:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


1fortheroad
Thank you , but no point.
 
I think the gist was there.
 
Except perhaps for the nit picker!
January 17, 2009, 5:40:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Scott
Amazing how these tail chaser's REFUSE to state the fact it was the BLACK GOVERNOR of NEW CRAP STATE, my bad, I meant NEW YORK STATE, who is BLACK, BLIND and a DEM. So the tail chaser's are saying a BLACK, BLIND, DEM is confusing CHURCH and STATE? INTERESTING.

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January 17, 2009, 6:25:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
True Scott, the "miracle" word did come from the governor first. Yet, here it is FNC's fault in the mutts' minds!
January 17, 2009, 7:26:16 PM EST – Like – Reply


Pegleg Peggy
Damail | 01.17.09 - 2:48 pm |
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You earned it . I saw some of your old posts before they were deleted and you did eveything you say you didn't.
 
Ashley | 01.17.09 - 5:05 pm | # 
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Really stupid post. From what I have seen the only people who refer to Obama as "God" are RW-ers trying to smear Obama supporters.
 
Scott | 01.17.09 - 6:30 pm | 
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Scott, as a native New Yorker who has NY friends of both liberal and conservative points of view, I think your reference to NY state as NY CRAP displays nothng but ignorance.
 
Fox Fan | Homepage | 01.17.09 - 7:31 pm | # 
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There is "miracle" as a figure of speech and "miracle" meant literally. Don't pretend you don't know the difference in the way the gov used it and the way I maintain that Fox did.
 
Bababooey | 01.17.09 - 12:42 pm |
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If you have anything more than half a brain you can deduce the answer to your question from my earlier posts.
 
I find your new point of view very interesting given that most of your posts on NH used to consist of suggestions that J$ and his posters could benefit from having a canned ham shoved up their butts. You've developed a taste for canned ham, eh? :D
January 17, 2009, 10:44:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
I find your new point of view very interesting given that most of your posts on NH used to consist of suggestions that J$ and his posters could benefit from having a canned ham shoved up their butts. You've developed a taste for canned ham, eh? :D
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.17.09 - 10:49 
 
What? Where? When?
January 17, 2009, 11:44:52 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Uh oh. Somebody doesn't like you posting here, Baba. Apostate!
January 18, 2009, 12:10:12 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bababooey
Why Johnny because I am a liberal posting at a Pro Fox News site? Or is that I don't start calling all of you names?
January 18, 2009, 12:21:41 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Only pegleg can answer that question.
January 18, 2009, 12:33:48 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Only pegleg can answer that question.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 01.18.09 - 12:38 am | # 
 
Just as she is able to glean who uses the term miracle in its "figure of speech" context and who uses it with dumbed-down religiosity and/or as cable channel Rovian PR strategy...
 
.e.g.--her ideological opponents and FNC--- (SURPRISE!)
 
sheesh...
January 18, 2009, 5:18:34 AM EST – Like – Reply


smoked honey glaze
Pegleg Peg,
 
Bababooey is on the road to recovery, one baba step at a time.
January 18, 2009, 10:48:12 AM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Thank you , but no point.
 
I think the gist was there.
 
Except perhaps for the nit picker!
1fortheroad | 01.17.09 - 5:45 pm | # 
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nit picker > nitpicker
 
I got the gist.
 
And if it wasn't for the League of Extraodinary Nitpickers, many would go through life being total nitwits.
January 18, 2009, 11:27:50 AM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I find your new point of view very interesting given that most of your posts on NH used to consist of suggestions that J$ and his posters could benefit from having a canned ham shoved up their butts. You've developed a taste for canned ham, eh? :D
 
Pegleg Peggy | 01.17.09 - 10:49 
 
The evidence pile is getting taller,baba.....
January 18, 2009, 12:12:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
"You did everything you said you didn't..."
 
You're lying again, Pegleg. No profanities, no name-calling, no threats. None.
January 18, 2009, 3:13:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
peggy, why don't you entertain us and show us the posts you are referring to in regards to bababooey using the "canned ham" references? I think we could all get a good laugh out of them!

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January 18, 2009, 8:56:56 PM EST – Like – Reply


Missy
I hate to tell "priscilla", but Lou Dobbs actually came out and thanked God for what happened. Twice!
January 18, 2009, 9:11:41 PM EST – Like – Reply


Lil' Barry Bailout
Nice thorough bitchslapping of one of our favorite Newshounds goons.
 
BTW, it looks like J$P is getting more posts than Newshounds since the pathetic pups started deleting points of view they couldn't tolerate, er, "moderating" the mains.
 
Eh?
January 24, 2009, 8:45:30 AM EST – Like – Reply