Jun 262015
 
  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I don’t know the terms of Roberts’ contract, but, if possible, MSNBC should not let him continue to host. Trumps’s comments were intentionally and ruthlessly hurtful and offensive. There must be an incentive for him to speak responsibly.

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      Penhaul could use a lesson as well.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    It’s very hard to figure out the strategy behind Shine’s statements. They seem ham-handed. Given that at FOX nothing is ever as it seems, I suppose we ought conclude there was some animus and that Shine decided the next volley ought be a personal attack. Or, it may just be that FOX is in a bit of turmoil at the moment and sloppy things are happening.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    I am going to go to Mass Saturday night because the Sunday morning shows ought to be fascinating. With the eulogy in Charleston, the Confederate Battle Flag coming down, the Fair Housing decision in SCOTUS, the ACA descision, the Same Sex Marriage decision, it’s a 60’s like thrill. A huge jump ahead for our nation. The coverage ought to be riveting.

    • Cecelia

      I think that most of these things are misguided, but I trust this country. I trust the people in it and I trust God, so I don’t fret.

      I like my independence. I like being prepared. I like trying to live simply, earnestly, and very well.

      I make observations. I point out irony. I am emotional and I do mourn and that’s as much as you could feed upon.

      Do know that I don’t fret. I don’t have to. There’s no one within miles who might ever wish me to.

  • Larry Kelly

    Damn troll.

    • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

      Ignore him. I don’t want either one of us to get kicked out. I probably won’t even post that much anymore, until the mess is cleared up. I am sick of pounding my head against a brick wall.

      • Larry Kelly

        Oh, I’m just amusing myself. He really doesn’t bother me. I have no idea what he says, but he can say it as long as he is within guielines. Our most excellent host will take care of that. Again, Cecelia enjoys the banter, and I enjoy her at work.

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          It doesn’t matter anymore.

          • Cecelia

            You jumping off a bridge or something?

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            No, Cece, I’m saying that there’s not one damn thing that we can do about it.

  • Larry Kelly

    Hayes didn’t explain how he got it wrong? Didn’t need to. He, his MSNBC pals, and their small number of viewers hate Mr. Bill, and are prone to say anything about him without much forethought.

  • Larry Kelly

    Rumor is that Justice Kennedy watches THE FOSTERS.

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      Presumably, this is a television show. I only know it as a beer. A rather bad beer.

      • Larry Kelly

        The Real Royal Emperor. I demand you stop replying to my comments as I will consider it harassment!

  • gcblues

    report: impartial CNN reporters and purple unicorns are related by DNA

    • Larry Kelly

      Liberals in disguise, well that’s a-what the are
      a-lemonade pies, with a satellite car
      cantaloupe eyes come to me tonight
      your MSNBC in disguise, without the glasses

      • gcblues

        idiot thinks everyone not a communist is a rightest. no rightest called for tapper. demented comments. the only conservatives i know thinks tapperbama is a nothingburger shill for he left. i am talking to some Colombians about a midnite Texas visit. hold on.

      • gcblues

        if you copy and paste your request for no responses and incidents further response harassment and send to disqus they will delete accounts. seen it happen a lot on vice.

        • Larry Kelly

          okay, Will give it a try.

          • gcblues

            i am sure the complaint will not be the first.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            You may try Johnny. Harassment is a rules violation.

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      I seem to recall rightists pushing very hard to get Jake Tapper to be the host of “This Week” because he was so balanced. Has that changed now that he is at CNN?

      • gcblues

        get lost. you are hereby banned from responding to me permanently.

      • Larry Kelly

        The Real Royal Emperor. I demand you stop replying to my comments as I will consider it harassment.

  • gcblues

    the spark media attention link has some cute tweets, neal boortz is a smart and smart alec guy

    • Cecelia

      He uses his wife as a foil.

      • gcblues

        wife? lost me there

        • Cecelia

          He has a wife.

          • gcblues

            you cannot seriously believe that for a moment unless she is kept in a box in a basement by force.. ohhhhh neal, i thought you meant the troll. i know nothing of neal’s personal life.

          • Cecelia

            No, Mrs. Boortz is kept in a condo in Buckhead.

          • gcblues

            i have no idea what a buckhead is. lost me.

          • Cecelia

            Evidently, you don’t know the definition of wife or foil either.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            Yikes.

  • Larry Kelly

    Twitter has killed more CNN reporters than low ratings.

  • sky303

    I take it Karl Penhaul doesn’t like Donald Trump then …

    • Larry Kelly

      Hard to tell.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/foxs-martha-maccallum-does-this-mean-3-people-can-get-married-now/

    I see FOX News has already started with the plural marriage meme. MacCallum, not surprisingly. But, there was Old Faithful, Van Susteren, discarding all her legal knowledge and her dignity to do her part to sell it all to the clueless. By nightfall we’ll likely be talking about plural marriages involving Caitlyn Jenner, a guppy named Fluffy and a ferret named Geronimo.

    • Cecelia

      How about a father and son?

      • The Real Royal Emperor

        Or a mother and son?

        Or a mother and daughter?

        I think we’ve got that covered pretty effectively.

        If you haven’t read the opinion, I would suggest you do it. It is an amazing piece of draftsmanship by Kennedy. I say by Kennedy, but the way these things work, a preliminary vote would have been taken. An assignment would have been made. Kennedy would have written and circulated a draft. The majority justices would have made suggestions and corrections. So, they may have contributed to the quality of the draftsmanship. Nonetheless, the opinion seems to cover all bases to insure immediate implementation. The Texas AG told County Clerks to wait until his office reviews the opinion, but he is without any power to compel that. So, by 30 minutes after the decision came down, the Clerks were issuing licenses in Austin and most urban counties. Such is the strength of the opinion.
        http://www.mystatesman.com/news/news/supreme-court-approves-gay-marriage/nmmWq/?icmp=statesman_internallink_audience_email_jun2015_SCOTUS-marriage

        But. it’s also pretty narrow. This case alone would not authorize would you suggest, and I doubt the precedential effect will be all that broad either.

        I’d also urge you to read Robert’s dissent. You can really tell he struggled with this. I even think, and this is just opinion, if Kennedy had not voted the way he did, Roberts might very well have been the 5th vote. It is gentlemanly, disciplined and well-drafted.

        Read Scalia if you want an angry tirade. I’m surprised he didn’t blow an aorta the last couple of days.

        • Cecelia

          Of course, the “precedential effect” is that broad.

          Without the biological ramifications of offspring, there are now no codified dictates that would logically preclude a brother-brother, sister-sister, mother-daughter, father-son pairing.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            I am going to disagree with you. There is no direct precedent here. I don’t think even the dicta could be stretched that far.

            The best anyone might due with this is to make some analogy. Perhaps, that is what you meant. That’s not really precedent.

          • Cecelia

            That’s a willful avoidance on your part and illustrates that you have not at all recognized the basis upon which Justice Kennedy established marriage.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            So, you didn’t read the actual opinion. Fair enough. Whatever secondary source you have read had misinformed you. There were three and only three points of law resolved, as follows:

            #1
            “… same-sex couples may exercise the fundamental right to marry. No longer may this liberty be denied them.” @ 22-23

            #2
            “The Constitution, however, does not permit the State to bar same-sex couples from marriage on the same terms as accorded to couples of the opposite sex.” @ 27

            #3
            “… there is no lawful basis for a State to refuse to recognize a lawful same-sex marriage performed in another State on the ground of its same-sex character.” @ 28

            The Court did provide some targeted dicta appropriately noting that First Amendment rights still protect individuals who feel they are precluded from participating in the marriage process of same sex couples.

            But, nothing else in this opinion can be deemed precedential, Cecilia. It’s that simple. 28 pages of dicta don’t change that.

          • Cecelia

            Yes, nothing in this “dicta” redefines marriage in a way that will be precedential.

            Except that it did.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            How do you know that, Cecelia? No one has ever tried to do that. It is simple principle of Anglo-American jurisprudence. Dicta is defined as:

            “Opinions of a judge that do not embody the resolution or determination of the specific case before the court. Expressions in a court’s opinion that go beyond the facts before the court and therefore are individual views of the author of the opinion and not binding in subsequent cases as legal precedent.” West’s Encyclopedia of Law, 2d ed.

            But, I understand your mind is already set otherwise, and I would be less than honest if I were to say that lower courts do sometimes mistakenly view the dicta as a holding.

            However, the law itself is the holding or holdings, and must often is marked by some form of “held” or “holding”.

          • Cecelia

            So we’re going to decide gay marriage on a case-by-case basis rather than upon Kennedy’s non-biological basis that he articulated for the majority?

            Even you are not so concrete that you don’t understand that we have put marriage upon a foundation of social construct.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            Gay marriage, no. That’s why I suggested you read the opinion. It’s not case-by-case, but the ruling is specific to gay marriage. It doesn’t go forward to address the illogical circumstances you, MacCallum and (yes, I think) Van Susteren suggested.

            As to marriage being a social construct, hasn’t it always been? Isn’t that how the notion of monogamy became the norm? A social imperative as we emerged from the desert? Indeed, there is nothing particularly notable about marriage in the New Testament is it? The basis is always because Jesus’ first miracle was at a wedding and that marriage is a remedy for fornication. It’s not even sacramental for the Protestant sects that set only 2 sacraments. What is it but a social construct? A very important social construct to be sure, but a social construct nonetheless.

          • Cecelia

            No, we’re not now on a case-by-case basis, thus this speciousness of your argument about dicta.

            It’s interesting that you bring up polygamy (a history of which you excoriated the Mormons when Romney was running) which does have a basis in biology. You’re hard pressed to call the limitation of one man/one woman and their offspring a social construct since it is the “nuclear” element of family in every sense of the word.

            What you do have now is a defining of marriage quite outside any biological boundary and based entirely upon Kennedy’s rendition of human feeling. How you limit that is your guess and your willful avoidance of the logical conclusions of his argument.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            Last word for me. That which is logical is not necessarily legal. And vice-verse.

          • Cecelia

            i can see that being your last word.

    • TheMightyINB

      Yeah… but it’s FOX News’ fault:

      Hours After Gay Marriage Ruling, Politico Op-Ed Calls for Legalized Polygamy
      http://www.mediaite.com/online/hours-after-gay-marriage-ruling-politico-op-ed-calls-for-legalized-polygamy/

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Re: Greta v. Wilstein

    Perhaps, you intended what you are now saying, Greta. I suspect you did. You’re not small-minded, nor are you bigoted. However your original remarks were surprisingly clumsy and inarticulate. Wilstein’s interpretation is not that far-fetched. You really should have called out MacCallum for her foolishness. I understand FOX News is a tight group, and I applaud that, but Chris Wallace is not at all reticent to set the F&F crew straight. You shouldn’t be either.

  • The rundown for tonight’s O’Bolling Factor lacks segments on Supreme decision #2. The topics are ISIS, foreign policy, and terror. Allow me to project what a snarky liberal might say: “Aw, what’sa matter? Hurts too bad to talk about it…loser?”

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      I don’t understand. How is Bolling a loser? He supports same-sex marriage, as do Perino and Gutfield.

      I will admit it seems odd not to cover SSM, and it would be a fair criticism of FOX if it ends up not being covered, but I don’t see how that makes Bolling a loser.

      • Cecelia

        Yeah, he’s obviously going around the block here to point out some stances on gay marriage ,but save this one, folks, he hates these people.

        • Marty

          It was a sarcastic response to Mike’s comment.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            He’s back to taunting Mike C.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            Prevarication.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            The Real Royal Emperor. I demand you stop replying to my comments as I will consider it harassment.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            You slander me like you did, rest assured there will always be a response. Stop slandering me or deal with it.

          • Marty

            OOOOH!

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            I, like many others here, simply want left alone.

          • The Real Royal Emperor

            Not at all.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    This is why we have cable news:

    http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-obama-sings-amazing-grace-at-charleston-funeral/#disqus_thread

    To cover a topic fully, to bring us special moments broadcast news doesn’t have time to cover.

    • Cecelia

      Get real. That moment will hit every news program network or otherwise.

      • The Real Royal Emperor

        My point exactly. But it was cable news that caught the moment. And I will admit I teared up just as I do every time I watch “Field of Dreams”.

        • Cecelia

          I teared up too. I wish your side could offer grace to people who dont agree with you.

  • Marty

    J$ just posted real zinger of a tweet from your “favorite potato” to little Matty Wilstein at the swamp known as Mediaite. Read it and laugh.

  • sky303

    Jake seemed annoyed with Don , then Don’s mic gets cut hmmm

    • Larry Kelly

      I’ve set off Jake on Twitter and got the back of his hand in a flash. He really showed his snippy side you don’t see much on TV. Look at Jake’s body language when Lemon is talking (“to the moon, Alice!”)

      • Cecelia

        Tapper is testier than a 10 year old Pekingese.

  • Larry Kelly

    If you thought escaping from prison was a good idea, YOU LOST!

    • Marty

      A shame, isn’t it. One down one to go.

    • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

      It was a stupid move hanging around the area. But, what do you expect from convicts?

      • Marty

        Kim Guilfoyle referred to it as felony stupid.

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          I’d agree. Matt shot by the Border Patrol. Sweat may find himself getting the same reception from Canada if he makes it to the border.

          • Marty

            The citizens of NY will be eternally grateful.

      • sky303

        good thing they make mistakes don’t need any smart crafty ones , well still gotta find the other one

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          The smart crafty ones become lawyers.

      • Larry Kelly

        Their designated driver had a panic attack and left them stranded in the middle of nowhere. Hate when that happens.

  • Marty

    Good for him.

  • Larry Kelly

    Watch Obama really shoot up in the polls. Among all things, Americans like a winner, and he’s had quite the winning week.

  • Larry Kelly

    Good timing for Gregg Jarrett to be subbing for Shep as he handled the Supreme Court rulings well… for a humble caveman lawyer, that is.

    • Michael T

      Sorry I missed it Larry.

      I remember watching Gregg back in his Court TV days. He was quite impressive with his knowledge of the law and having thoughtful intelligent discussions with his guests,

      Ah, the good ol’ days with little or no politics.

      • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

        Back in the days when I had a crush on Beth Karas.

        • Marty

          Loved Beth Karas.

      • Larry Kelly

        Made me remember when Larry King came to CNN in the mid eighties and knocked Catherine Crier out of the 9:00 PM M-F spot.

  • Cecelia
    • Marty

      Prescient, isn’t she?

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      You do realize that is an op-ed piece written by a graduate student? Or does it matter what’s the source is since it seems to affir. Something you believe?

      • Cecelia

        It matters that the source is reputable and that it printed the logical conclusion to Kennedy’s argument.

        Good luck with calling that BreitFART

        • Larry Kelly

          He didn’t really say that? You made that up.

          • Cecelia

            Just a million times.

          • Marty

            I have so much I could say about the comments made at that other site.
            I’ll show some discipline and hold my tongue.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            They are amazing in their crudeness.

          • Larry Kelly

            they say bad things about my hat

          • Cecelia

            I love your hat.

        • Marty

          PloitiFart?

          • Cecelia

            You’re excused.

          • Larry Kelly

            I never trust stories until they make it to BuzzFart.

          • Marty

            KosFart

    • Larry Kelly

      Hey, seems to work for the Arabs. Who am I to judge?

      • Cecelia

        Tell it to the Mormons.

        • Marty

          Cultists!

        • Larry Kelly

          Damn bigots never gave ’em a fair shake.

        • Larry Kelly

          Brigham Young’s big mistake was not coming up with the rainbow thing. Needed a better ad agency.

          • Cecelia

            Good luck with that. Ad agencies know they have to sell to the women.

          • Larry Kelly

            Hand that rocks the cradle rules the world even before they got the vote.

    • Michael T

      I have to admit this plural marriage meme is not penetrating my thick skull.

      It seems tantamount to this argument:

      If we are going to allow gays and biracial couples to marry, why not 1st cousins, siblings and mother-son marriages?

      • Larry Kelly

        “each ot his own” as the women said who kissed the cow.

        • Marty

          Exactly.

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          So that’s what they mean by Animal Husbandry.

      • Marty

        Exactly.

      • Larry Kelly

        There is the little problem with offspring with two heads and IQs of “3” in your example.

        • Michael T

          Kinda like being stuck with those ugly prairie dresses for the wives and daughters of polygamists.

          • Cecelia

            Or Berkas in real life.

      • Cecelia

        No, the biological hurdle to different sex family members marrying stands

        There are now no logical
        constraints on same sex family members marrying or upon polygamy, based upon Justice Kennedy’s argument.

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          Why the discrimination against polygamies? They can’t help it if they’re short.

          • Larry Kelly

            Don’t the little folk already have their own reality shows? Back in the day you had to go to OZ to see them recognized.

        • Michael T

          Oh gawd.

          As if I wasn’t having a hard enough time finding ONE wife!

          Now I’ve gotta look for three (or more) to keep up with the Joneses now that Justice Kennedy is apparently suggesting there are no longer any legal impediments.

          • Cecelia

            Look no further than world history to see the inclination for that.

          • Larry Kelly

            Or Game of Thrones.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            Next up – Warren Steed Jeffs v. The State of Texas. Jeffs wants released from prison and the age of consent lowered to 8.

          • Marty

            Isn’t there a reality show about a polygamist family on tv?

          • Michael T

            Sister Wives?

          • Marty

            That’s it.

          • Larry Kelly

            19 WIVES AND COUNTING? I get those shows all mixed together.

          • Marty

            That could be it,too.
            I just don’t get the whole concept.
            But who am I to judge.

          • Cecelia

            Someone with a brain and a point of view?

          • Marty

            Must always put in the qualifier lest one be called a bigot.

          • sky303

            I think there was two , one was Sister Wives , I remember the title because it sounds like it would be a different show than what it really is.

          • Marty

            Was the other one called Studly?
            I kid.

          • sky303

            ha! , the other apparently has less creative name of my 5 wives , which sounds like a sitcom

          • gcblues

            consider Latin America. being hunted is fun/

  • Today’s most popular links:
    5 Greta slams
    4 nine hours later
    3 bizarre twitter rant
    2 sexual assault
    And the most popular link in today’s links…
    1 Fox exec’s blunt words about Bob Beckel spark media attention.

    • Larry Kelly

      I think #1 got drowned out by today’s news. Not even the Twitter Gang could keep their puddle of outage full in the face of today’s tidal wave of stories.

      • Too bad you can’t see the counter stats for today. The Gang of Three is sending my hit count into the stratosphere.

        • Larry Kelly

          That’s so sad for them it’s hilarious.

        • Larry Kelly

          Three and a half if you count the Panda?

          • Very few Panda tracks here.

            Tonight it’s attack Megyn night because she corrected a false report aired on CNN. Why did she do that? Because she never gets anything wrong? Remember when FNC reported this? Yada yada yada. It’s like baby time at the zoo. All the maturity of Saved by the Bell: The Kindergarten Years.

          • Marty

            Do you mean “Megyn Kelley’s Crooked Nose”?

          • Nope, wrong hate monger. Think Batman villain (Larry will know who I mean).

          • Marty

            Don’t know the Panda.
            Too many haters to keep up with.
            Saw that reference today at you’ll never guess where by you’ll never guess who.

          • Larry Kelly

            Don’t worry, Panda is the dumb one.

          • Marty

            Ok. Got it.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            Nothing wrong with Megyn’s nose, or anty other part of her.

          • Larry Kelly

            LOL!

          • Larry Kelly

            I’d suggest our troll join them, but they would bore him to tears. Particularly the frozen one.

  • Michael T

    Re: Jake Tapper gets snippy

    I’m no fan of Don Lemon. Actually, I run hot and cold.

    But forget Lemon for a moment. What about Jake Tapper?

    Anyone else find him much too staid (even boring) at times? Plus that monotone voice and reserved demeanor doesn’t help.

    Could there be a little tension between the two? Lemon’s star seems to be on the rise — especially in the opinion of Jeff Zucker who likes DL’s ability to generate buzz even when it’s not all positive.

    Meanwhile Jake — a good reporter by all accounts — has struggled to establish himself as a star at CNN. Including finishing 4th in the key demo for his 9 A.M. Sunday show.

    Your mileage may vary. ☺

    • Larry Kelly

      I never thought he had a good voice for his profession. It is important, and may have been a factor at ABC holding him back.

      • Michael T

        Good to be discussing cable news again.

        My guilt pangs were causing indigestion and it’s the dinner hour out here on the west coast.

        • gcblues

          tapperbama?

    • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

      If Zucker really wanted to gamble, he could pair Don Lemon and Ashleigh Banfield. They’d be the CNN version of Ron Burgundy and Veronica Corningstone.

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      I agree with your comments, and I think that an anchor role is far from ideal. He may Abe been “Peter Principled” out of his strength.

  • Larry Kelly

    On Megyn’s show now, Huckabee talking about passing a constitutional amendment to reverse the Court. Good luck with that, Gov. This ship has sailed.

  • The Real Royal Emperor

    Maddox replied the eulogy in entirety without commercial interruption. A real treat.

  • Larry Kelly

    The Obama relaunch of gun control efforts gets immediate support from the media and immediate results from lawmakers:
    Fairfax, Va. – The National Rifle Association scored another victory for gun rights in Wisconsin today when Governor Scott Walker signed into law Senate Bill (SB) 35. The new law eliminates a 48-hour waiting period on all point-of-sale handgun purchases in the state.

    • The Real Royal Emperor

      I agree. Walker is a gutless wonder.

      • Larry Kelly

        Reporting you for harassment.

      • gcblues

        you are simply a low life puke. get help.

        • Marty

          Careful. You’ll get shunned. He won’t.

        • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

          Marty’s right, GC.