Sep 022016
 
  • Thursday’s numbers: O’Bolling-The Five-Anderson Cooper 1-2-3.
  • Univision exec to debate commission: Sorry, that’s not good enough.
  • Video: to being chosen Prez debate moderator.
  • Wemple: How long can Brian Williams continue to shelter himself?
  • F&F zings Tim Kaine for doing every morning show but theirs; video.
  • The Kelly File video: Is DHS formulating a
  • Q&A: Don Lemon talks about The Donald.   Post-speech Hannity: Yuge!
  • Debate moderators include Cooper, Chris Wallace.   Concha: Slam-dunk.
  • Sherman’s Ailes rehash suggests some of Megyn Kelly’s reporting is ‘racist’.
  • Grandpa D
    • Cecelia

      Works.

      • Grandpa D

        Agree, although I’m not familiar with Elaine Quijano.

        • Mitch Alan

          She checks all the boxes: Female, Hispanic, Very Liberal, CBS.

          Candy Crowley wasn’t available this time so she will have to do.

          • Larry Kelly

            Candy is sweet, but Hispanic this election’s treat.

          • Cecelia

            And they don’t rot your teeth.

          • Larry Kelly

            Four out of five dentists that recommend candy to their patients recommend sugarless candy. The fifth has a new boat.

          • gcblues

            nope, they are delicious.

          • Joe Concha

            Curious Mitch (in a friendly way, trust me), who would you have gone with that you think both sides would be fine with?

          • Mitch Alan

            I would have loved to see Maria Bartiromo be one of the female panelists, much more than Raddatz who is obviously biased. She is very tough against Republicans, very easy with Democrats.

            The panelists picked were all very liberal, with the exception of Chris Wallace who is a moderate, by no means conservative. Brett Baer is conservative but wasn’t picked, I wonder why.

          • Joe Concha

            But you understand you can’t pick two moderators from the same network, so it’s either Maria or Chris. And for all intents and purposes, FNC and FBN are the same.

            As for Wallace, isn’t moderate/non-partisan the goal here?

          • Mitch Alan

            Fox wasn’t picked at all last time. Maria would have really balanced Anderson Cooper and brought out the best of them.

            Chris Wallace is rather tiresome, I stopped watching his show a couple of years ago. And when he brought in geriatrics like George Will, the show really went downhill. I am surprised that show isn’t being sponsored by Geritol or Depends.

          • Larry Kelly

            Your opinion. FOX has never been picked before.

          • Mitch Alan

            Gee, I wonder why?

          • Larry Kelly

            I’m assuming you don’t really.

        • Cecelia

          Me neither. I figured Holt and Wallace are enough.

          • Grandpa D

            Just saw today’s Concha link. He spells it out very well. The second debate “Town Hall” format surprised me, but Cooper and Raddatz should be good for that.

        • sky303

          I’ve seen her on CBS This Morning and CBS Evening news that’s what I know.

    • sky303

      I think they are good choices, though I don’t watch ABC News, not too sure how Martha Raddatz is, but should be alright.

      • Mitch Alan

        Raddatz moderated the VP debate last time and is very liberal, in fact she attended Obama’s wedding many years ago. Will be good at regurgitating DNC talking points.

        • Michael T

          But Mitch, I challenge you to cite a single example of a left-leaning bias when hosting ABC’s This Week.

          You Hannity fans sometimes have a skewed view of who’s biased and who’s not.

          • Mitch Alan

            She asks very hard follow up questions of Republicans. With Democrats, she gives them a wink and moves on to the next question. It is so obvious. She learned her trade from George Stephanopolous, another Democrat operative.

          • Michael T

            Now that’s a LEGITIMATE observation.

            TY.

            I haven’t noticed, but I have hardly seen any of her work.

            She seems to have a reputation on Twitter as an honest broker. But that may not mean as much as I think it does.

            Now I could be wrong, but I believe even Joe Concha approved her choice and he’s a pretty keen observer of bias IMO.

          • gcblues

            the conch is a con? are you kidding me.

          • gcblues

            correct.

          • gcblues

            this week is as bogus as hannity. you see other sides outrage but not your own. looking at the hosts on this week over the years, an iranian lefty, and obama boy tapperbama, far left martha you can’t see. hannity is a nice guy like stephanpobama but he is a shill just like all of them

  • Larry Kelly

    Holt, Coop-Turnip, Chris Freakin’ Wallace! Let the Presidential Debates begin!

  • Cecelia

    Re: racist

    Isn’t everything?

    • Larry Kelly

      Except me and you and a dog named “Boo”.

      • Cecelia

        That’s not what I’ve heard about Boo.

        • Larry Kelly

          Scout says he’s okay.

  • Cecelia

    Re: Ailes rehash.

    A treasure-trove of self-referential narratives and memes in the way that yesterday’s piece by David French was not.

  • sky303

    They made some good choices for the debates .

    • Mitch Alan

      Like who?

      • Larry Kelly

        Well, Chris Wallace for one.

        • MumuBobby

          Mike Wallace’s son is the best the right can do?

          • Cecelia

            Yes.

          • Larry Kelly

            Just ask Hillary what a fun Sunday she had.

          • TheMightyINB

            What does Mike Wallace have to do with anything?

          • Larry Kelly

            About as much as President Reagan did with his dancing, commie, atheist brat. Kids are their own people.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            Yeah, but daughter Patti looked pretty damn good in the alltogether. WOWSA!

      • Michael T

        Who would you have preferred?

        Sean Hannity instead of Chris Wallace?

        • sky303

          Only if they bring Maddow in too , so they both can hug their candidates .

        • gcblues

          maybe Dana Perino, Condi Rice, Arthur Laffer. list would get long fast if it was a search for a good candidate and not a putz to collect political class cash..

          • Michael T

            All clearly more partisan than Chris Wallace.

            Do you not know how the Commission on Presidential Debates works? Jeez.

          • gcblues

            all the others are left wing jeeez. i just thought someone actually qualified might be a good idea.

      • sky303

        Well Chris Wallace , Lester Holt are very good choices, they will be playing it fair

  • sky303

    Brian Williams probably won’t be doing interviews for a long time maybe a few years…(when he is either “redeemed” , or if this his wading out the contract and leaves after that thing) , This 11 pm show thing surprises me a little , because it seems like they put him away when they don’t need him. I didn’t see him on air the entire month of August But I don’t think they are going for the big push for this show because he has to look humble or something.

    • Mitch Alan

      Brian Williams is no more dishonest than the rest of the network anchors, he just got caught and was punished. Remember when ABC News covered up for George Stephanopoulos? They are all crooks.

      • Larry Kelly

        Williams making up stuff to brag about imaginary adventures is special. Totally unnecessary and reckless.

  • Cecelia

    This is just Classic Clinton stuff.

    After the NYT reported the info about Clinton’s private server, someone deleted all her archived email.

    This person was interviewed by the FBI and described what he did as an “Oh, shit[e] moment”.

    A moment’s mistake that included deleting several files and then using the program BleachBit which makes it impossible to recover the files.

    Oops. Oh, well…

    http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/294332-clinton-emails-wiped-clean-after-nyt-story

    • Larry Kelly

      That they keep getting away with it may, I say may, be enough to get Richard Nixon out of purgatory.

      • Cecelia

        They always have a great reason why they are allowed that leeway.

        Us.

    • Larry Kelly

      Unfortunately, the more we learn about this charade the less stiff Dir Comey’s spine appears. How does one make a mistake “oh sh_t, moment” and then use a scrubbing program to continue erasing the documents? Completely asinine to think a normal rational person would believe that junk.

  • Larry Kelly

    With Chris Wallace being named the first FOX reporter to moderate a Presidential debate, my thoughts go back to the heady first months of the Obama Administration when they aggressively tried to marginalized FOX as not being a legitimate news network.

    • Michael T

      Top 3 public relations blunders IMO:

      1. The one you mentioned about trying to marginalize Fox News.
      2, Going golfing during his vacation just minutes after denouncing the militants who had beheaded an American journalist.
      3. Loudly proclaiming about Obamacare, “If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor.”

      Even Dick Morris was saying, “Dude, what were you thinking?” /sarc

      • MumuBobby

        For #3 I don’t see how it was a blunder. I see no evidence that he paid a price with the Democrats or the media.

        • Michael T

          Being named by Politifact as 2013’s “Lie of the Year” didn’t cut it for you, eh?

          • MumuBobby

            And the media doesn’t talk about him as a top 5 President? Still?

          • MumuBobby

            They’d all vote for him again if they could. We’re going to be treated to all kinds of ‘the Obama years were the golden years’ stories after the election.

          • Larry Kelly

            They’ve kept his approval rating above 50%. Media has whined about Obama on occasion, but never held his feet to the fire with vigor because, when all is said and done, he’s still their guy. About the only time I saw real anger from the media at Obama was when he let Mitt Romey push him around in their first debate.

          • Michael T

            In a perfect world we’d have Romney, Obama, Trump and Clinton on the ballot along with the two third-party candidates.

            For the hard right ‘Drudge Report’ conservatives out there we could even add Ted Cruz.

          • Larry Kelly

            In a perfect world, we’d have someone decent. Even in a moderately flawed world.

          • Michael T

            Reagan and Kennedy are up in even saying, “WTF? Has the American electorate lost their collective mind? Even out so-so VPs were better than these two…..pas the bourbon will ya?”

          • gcblues

            we agree on that. there are no good people that are politicians, how can anyone be a good person when their goal is to run other people’s lives. Kennedy was as evil as any of them. i hate the Kennedy’s present announcer excluded.

          • Michael T

            You really live in a binary world, don’t you?

            “There are no good people that are politicians.”
            Government is bad…no (or few) exceptions.
            Good vs. evil.
            Almost all social services are worthless.
            Kennedy was evil.
            Joe Concha is a con (Translation: JC never has anything worthwhile to say.)
            Obamacare is totally (or almost totally) without any merit
            All those who support Obamacare are “fools” and a crazy unworkable law that is supported by nut cases.
            The Occupy movement has no good ideas.
            ABC’s This Week is as bogus as Hannity (apparently they never have anything from anyone worthwhile to say in your all or nothing analysis)

            My God man, are there no shades of gray? You sound like the overly simplistic Hannity at times…or so it seems.

          • gcblues

            i had never been angry at you before. congrats.you changed my world. you live in a make believe world? there are good politicians? the Kennedys were not evil vile criminals that walked over everyone? government is here to help? govt health care is good? smart people wrote odummy care supported by smart people? the occupy pukes had some good ideas? you are simplistic as madcow …. or so it seems.

          • Michael T

            So now you’re walking back some of your previous ‘binary’ all-or-nothing statements.

            Good man. You still need to work on your lack of punctuation and paragraphs, though. 🙂

            And the ‘madcow’ reference was right out of grammar school.

          • gcblues

            eat me Michael

          • Michael T

            Congrats.

            You’ve graduated from grammar school (“madcow”) to middle school (“eat me”).

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            His approval rating is only abpve 50% because they take a very small sample, his family.

          • Cecelia

            No. That and your bank account number will get you an inheritance from Nigeria.

          • Michael T

            Disagree. That was a major blunder — although it had more strength (or dissemination) publicity-wise when coupled with this story:

            “Obamacare Architect: Yeah, We Lied to The “Stupid” American People to Get It Passed”
            http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/11/10/obamacare-architect-yeah-we-lied-to-the-stupid-american-people-n1916605

            Although some put a different ACA-related disaster over that one, Namely, the bungling of the healthcare reform website.

            To each his/her own.

            Why does every discussion turn in to a debate for you? Jeez.

          • Cecelia

            huh?

            You asked a question publicly on a blogboard and I answered it. Get a grip.

            And my answer didn’t imply that Pres. Obama didn’t make “a major blunder”. It implied that the average American doesn’t know Polifact from shinola and were still told by the media that Obama’s lie and Gruber’s don’t matter matter because they’re better off with the ACA.

          • Michael T

            It should have been obvious the question was for MumuBobby. Plus I am talking about social media and regular media coverage — not your low information media consumer who pays more attention to celebrities.

            But noooooo…you had to get your typical little contrarian dig in, as you often do when I comment. (Check your Disqus history.)

          • Cecelia

            My dig was at the media, Gruber, and the president.

            Yours was at the commenter MumuBobby.

            Not sorry to have stepped on that or anything else here.

          • Michael T

            Okay.
            Let me think about it. 🙂

          • Cecelia

            Smoke from another passionate flame.

            You’ll get over him at some point.

          • Larry Kelly

            What is the meaning of life? Anybody can chime in? Anybody. ICEMAN, you must have some ideas. I see you in my magic mirror.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            The Monty Python movie had a good handle on it.

          • Michael T

            Especially when they have issues with me as Cece clearly does.

          • Larry Kelly

            Better plan on unilateral disarmament. Make a comment here, expect a reply from anyone not banned. I keep hoping for Elvis.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            Alas, Elvis OD’d in the crapper.

          • gcblues

            there are worse ends

          • gcblues

            man, readjust your wheaties intake.

          • Cecelia

            Yeah. How many times have we told each other off and I’m very fond of you.

          • Cecelia

            Oh, I’ll always be responding to your comments.

            Frankly, I do NOT dislike you. I’m just not going to pretend that you aren’t being inflammatory or are “just kidding” simply because you add a smiley face to your posts.

          • Cecelia

            It’s amazing to me that you make a snarky reply in the form of a question to MumuBobby. I replied with no snark.

            You’re too old to be this thin skinned.

          • gcblues

            every government treats its electorate as malleable tards.

          • gcblues

            the entire idea of government service is flawed. not a single government service, necessary or not is worth what we pay for. it is only worth it if you do not pay. that is what the left has left us with. looters, producers and leavers, me. mr. minority view.

          • Larry Kelly

            He’s done little but demean and vilify the other side for eight years. Wall of protection is solid. His backers could care less if he lied to get ObamaCare passed. It got passed. Hell, getting insurance for your 26-year old in your basement still a delight. Morons haven’t yet figured out what deductibles are.

          • Michael T

            And I suppose Trump will get many votes from those who are pretty certain that wall will never be built and mass deportation will never occur.

          • Larry Kelly

            Yep, getting caught in a lie doesn’t matter diddly squat these days. The country is too polarized.

          • Michael T

            Common ground. Whoopee!

            I knew we could do it Larry.

          • Larry Kelly

            Hell, Joe and I used to find common ground in between pissing each other off.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            I never found common ground with that connoisseur of Everclear.

          • Son of Blackflon

            It might have never appeared but it might be possible to sue Everclear for punitive damages

          • Michael T

            No wonder.

            You’re a cheap-shot artist.

            How would you like snide remarks about your physical challenges?

          • gcblues

            wow. yo MT. you think this is not true i believe. but i have never been angry upset about any post you have ever made. just for the record.

          • Michael T

            True.

            My comment was directed at Nixon. He and Cece have repeatedly made snide remarks about someone’s addiction. That’s way below the belt.

          • gcblues

            i do not like the comments on addiction here either and have said so, it is a medical issue, not moral. but you directed anger directly at me, and i have done zip to cause that, except i just disagree. odummy care is an ignorant charade sucking the country dry. my personal belief is that it has ruined the recovery like FDR ruined the recovery trying to fix things with OPM. the currency war caused by social spending which debases currency can only be solved by the cleansing of fire. we came out well in ww2 the rest of the world lost 30 years, here we are on the road to trying it again. not smart. i can disagree and not be mad. i left the forum last night because i do not need that stuff.
            oh if you want a safety net, make one for you and your family, i do not believe we are all in this together. minority view.
            my statement about odummy care comes from watching polls since it’s inception and it has NEVER enjoyed majority support. i have not looked for a few years and the trend is changing to more support for govt health care, still a majority oppose odummycare but by much less than a few years ago. i had not seen it, because i no longer care what you people do except how it effects my wallet. however it is clear now social democracy is not self sustaining. libs are all about sustainable except financial sustainability. organic lettuce, but organic markets oh no no no.

          • Cecelia

            Don’t forget Gaxter.

          • Larry Kelly

            To the best of my knowledge, he has never ordered chicken while playing charades.

          • gcblues

            now that PO’ed me.

          • Larry Kelly

            See Michael, you ain’t got nothing on me.

          • Cecelia

            Oh, that’s good because everything I write makes you mad.

          • Larry Kelly

            Your “friends” did that to him, you know. The Golden Rule.

          • Michael T

            Not sure what that means Larry…my mind is wilted from debating gcblues.

            But I do know you seem to be fair minded.

          • Larry Kelly

            If you called my mother an ape, I might or might not call your mother an ape, but if I did, I wouldn’t expect you to cry foul… or give a toot if your friend did so for you.

          • Michael T

            I would hope we could exclude health issue — addiction, cancer, autism, acne, cleft palates and the like from our pool of insults.

            Maybe not. Whatever happened to the old reliable, “Your mama wears combat boots.”

            Here at J$P on some days it’s more like, “Your dry drunk papa wears combat boots. When he’s sober enough to dress himself.”

          • GATXER

            “I would hope we could exclude health issue — addiction, cancer, autism and the like from our pool of insults.”

            ummm…..funny when MOE called me a drunk…..months before I ever said dry drunk…..I don’t remember you objecting….which is funny because he was talking to ICE on twitter and you seem to miss nothing……..so please save us the outrage that you cant find when its someone you agree with.

            BTW: since I don’t drink for health reasons……he can call me a drunk all he wants it doesn’t bother me in the least…………and I don’t pay attention to what a racist is calling me anyway.

          • Michael T

            It’s not about outrage/

            It’s about common decency. You don’t mock someone’s addiction and it is false equivalency to suggest calling a non addict a ‘drunk’ is the same thing.

          • Cecelia

            Nah, Joe’s an angry foul-mouthed drunk.

          • GATXER

            in other words….what the stooges do is fine….but if we use the same words to describe them were vile bit-hs…….got it….please.

          • Michael T

            Let me try this one last time.

            Neither side should be mocking someone’s addiction.

          • Cecelia

            There’s a guy who comments here occasionally, with a great sense of humor, can’t remember his name.

            His avatar is his pic with a bottle of wine. Joe got into a debate with him and ended up accusing him of being drunk from wine guzzling. Told him to get help for it.

          • Larry Kelly

            Your buddies live to be outraged and butt hurt. Why would you want to spoil their fun?

          • Cecelia

            No, it’s has come to this. It’s got to be addressed as the alcoholic behavior it is for him to have conscripted you to do his commenting for him.

            You’d do far better to encourage him not to read us. To encourage him to go to meetings, learn about the concept of powerlessness, work the other steps, and avoid setting himself up for a relapse as he is so obviously doing.

            BTW, he’ll blame us.

          • Michael T

            I suggest you, Nixon, Gatxer go to Twitter and do your complaining and protesting and childish name calling there instead of hiding behind me as your messenger or hoping they will read it here. It’s really quite cowardly, don’t you think?

            C’mon folks. Put you big girl (or boy) pants on and engage. Joe Remi would love it since he can’t do it respond here.

            In fact, none of them ever tweet about this site unless responding to something said here like bogus charges of racism — and you know it.

          • Cecelia

            He can’t reply to me on Twitter?

            All he’d have to do is unblock me.

            Get it straight, Michael. He got himself exiled here and then claimed that it was utterly intentional on his part.

            Then he reads us dozens of times a day, insults us on Twitter and blocks us there if we do respond.

          • Michael T

            Fair point and I am not even going to add “if true.”

            One thing I know about you is you strike me as an honest broker.

          • Cecelia

            Joe wouldn’t deny it. He blocked me for a couple of years. Unblocked me fairly recently to comment on my disagreeing with someone here. Made several other tweets after that in the same vein, same motivation (to get me to express his feelings for him).

            Blocked me again when I tweeted about our beheading fox femmes.

          • Is that when he called you ‘sick’ and ‘disgusting’. Or was it the ‘psycho-bitch’ epithet?

          • Cecelia

            Could have been the ‘vile bitch’ time.

          • Cecelia

            He could call me the enabling bitch today, Johnny.

            He’s happy. A whole board about Joe.

          • GATXER

            “I suggest you, Nixon, Gatxer go to Twitter and do your complaining and protesting and chikdish name calling there instead of hiding behind me as your messenger.”

            Have I asked you to do that? Maybe I have….but I don’t mean to so please don’t do it………..I like MOE’s tweets they are great for laughs….between him and ICE I have never see people so out of touch with the facts………..I read their TL just for laughs……..I wouldn’t waste my time engaging a dry drunk racist on Twitter………….he was welcomed here to engage but just like INC he abused that and got himself BANNED……why would I want to do to another place just to talk to a nut? till he got banned?

          • Michael T

            Nice try.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            I have zero interest in Twitter or Facebook, so why would I sign up just to ge insulted by Oedipus and Friends? By the way, Gaxter, I told Johnny that I wouldn’t respond to their proxy on this blog.

          • gcblues

            i have no idea why you were angry.

          • Larry Kelly

            I think he sent the RRE twenty bucks for the Royal Snack Collection and got a bag of gummy bears and a stale pack of corn curls.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            Go play with your Twitter friends. And Joe and his charming friends, especially Laura, loved to make fun of my problems. I’m brain damaged. Spud put up with it, Johnny didn’t.

          • Michael T

            Yet you still haven’t offered any proof that this was actually said.

          • Nixon – niihpikiiookani

            I don’t have to offer you one damned thing. Others here saw it. And, I would really appreciate it if you didn’t respond to me and I won’t to you. You have made it very clear here that you have become a mouthpiece for others. Any further response from you will be considered harassment.

          • Michael T

            You do realize you started this conversation, don’t you?

            Or were you too blinded by anger and resentment toward people who don’t even comment here to realize it?

          • gcblues

            they make homemade Guaro out of cane sugar here. like drinking bathtub Ouzo.

          • Larry Kelly

            Would have made really crappy bunk mates at band camp.

          • gcblues

            well since studies show successive generations of Americans are less and less educated how about we place the blame on where it belongs. forced unionized nationalistic public education. government should be banned from education. look what it did to Vietnam.

          • gcblues

            did you know if you are a resident of a foreign company when you file your taxes, which i never fail to do, you are Obamacare exempt. you would be so PO’ed if you knew prices plus we go into a pharmacy and buy whatever we want, plus we got no super bug infections in our hospitals. Zika si’, dengue, si’. zero msra etc. pay C400 for urologist appt. C280 for prostate radiography. all digital read out scans just like yours, hey we bought those machines from china off your design. root canal, custom porcelain tooth, $200US. for reference C28.85=$1.00. so $18 or so for the appt. i get ful blood scans lab work i order for C240. just watch my own self. all in a police state. if i was a gringo i would be mad at the USA …. hey wait, i am!!

          • Larry Kelly

            Let me see if I got this right. You are self-funding your medications and medical treatments, but they really don’t cost all that much?

          • gcblues

            correct, i self fund my medical care which is superior to what i received in the USA. i have had 2 surgeries, and pay all my own treats and medication for less than an odummy care policy. my hernia operation which included surgeon, anesthesia, private room with leather sofa, flat screen and refridge. all medication, nurse staff, every was just over $1,600.
            be clear the vast majority of people pay for odummycare indirectly since most is covered by govt subsidy. no free lunch. just a lot cheaper and better when you shop and price yourself. also i would add. international health insurance is dirt cheap and covers you everywhere except the USA whose mixed system has made costs simply stupid.
            my other surgery was eye surgery for glaucoma. same auto foco lenses in the USA, 2 for $800 including hospital etc etc etc.

          • Larry Kelly

            Very interesting.

          • gcblues

            yep, we got the whole range. from free public care in hospitals you die in to top flight, all the in betweens,. you pay you live, you don’t save you get free care and die.
            that is the biggest crime of the “safety net” as soon as government provides all the service, advancements cease, shortages arise, then everyone gets lousy care. schools, health care, retirement, does not matter, they screw it up. wars too.

          • Larry Kelly

            Without Googling, what was Politifact’s 2012 “Lie of the Year”? 2014. No, it wasn’t IKE and the U2, good grief that was half a century ago.

          • Michael T

            If you go on Twitter, people are still talking about the 2013 Lie of the Year.

            There are over 10 tweets (or mentions) in the last 90 days. Not bad for 3-year-old news.
            https://twitter.com/search?q=politifcat+obama+lie+of+the+year&partner=Firefox&source=desktop-search

          • Larry Kelly

            And 100,000 about Pokémon Go. I haven’t read those either.

          • Michael T

            I hear ya.

            Tarvis Scott is apparently trending right now with 99.9K tweets and I have no idea who he is.

            But this doesn’t rebut the fact that 2013 Liar of the Year still has legs as a news story — or to use another body part — it still has Pinocchio noses.

            The “lie” was even discussed in May on Charlie Rose.
            http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/former-obama-staffer-laughs-at-you-can-keep-your-plan-promise/article/2590943?custom_click=rss

          • Larry Kelly

            If Democratics were outraged by it, it was only to push for single payer.

          • Michael T

            Or they really really liked their current doctor.

          • gcblues

            word

          • gcblues

            no

        • Cecelia

          He didn’t pay a price for #1 or 2. Or for Gruber. Or for the ransom paid to Iran.

        • Larry Kelly

          Paying a price only counts only if it’s the media AND your own party. Nixon paid a price. Truman paid a price. Bush paid a price. Johnson paid a price.

        • gcblues

          your right. he lied, smiled about it. will go down in history as dragging the USA into equality for all. lousy expensive health care like the rest of the world. good job!

          • Michael T

            Now you’re being hyperbolic.

            1/2 the country approves of ACA

            That swarmy GOP has done such a fine job of coming up with an alternative, haven’t they?

            It’s easy to criticize…talk is cheap. But name someone with a better mousetrap.

          • gcblues

            never. you cannot back that up. even if you could it would prove they are fools.

          • Michael T

            You think you got all sides covered, dontcha?

            With your language deficiencues you don’t have a prayer,

            No polling since May when PPP had it tied, Don’t you even think about telling me in your Middle School tone that I can’t back it up. That’s a shallow tactic. A good debater cointers with evidence, links, etc.

            I’m sick of your bs GC. Bring it on Mr. Permanently Negative,

          • gcblues

            BS Gallop has consistently polled it and now i have to look it up. PPP BRB

          • Michael T

            The same Gallup who ranked near the bottom in the last election.

            C’mon — get real man!!

          • gcblues

            http://www.gallup.com/poll/191486/americans-slowly-embracing-affordable-care-act.aspx?g_source=recent%20obamacare%20approval&g_medium=search&g_campaign=tiles
            most recent. the same Gallop that has done the most Obamacare polling. clearly the country is trending idiot. but heck, that is self evident.

          • gcblues

            58% favor replacing the ACA with federally funded healthcare system
            may 2016
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/191504/majority-support-idea-fed-funded-healthcare-system.aspx
            At the same time, Americans are split on the idea of maintaining the ACA as it is, with 48% in favor and 49% opposed. The slight majority, 51%, favor repealing the act.

            beside it being a crazy unworkable law that is supported by nut cases.

          • Michael T

            Nut cases and those with pre-existing conditions and those who simply have better insurance than what they had before — if they even had insurance.

            This is a silly debate, You can stay in the rt. wing group think bubble if you want. But the ACA isn’t going anywhere.

          • gcblues

            your last sentence is true. i hope someday you get to realize the true cost of the the rest of your sentences. btw, not once have i referred to you as a “left winger”. media people si’. remi si’. royal si’ tu nunca

          • Michael T

            It’s because I’m a moderate whose views are shared by the majority in almost every case.

            The one main exception is school vouchers, which have majority support — but not mine.

            You on the other hand share many views which only those on the far right agree with including very anti government and opposition to social safety nets. There may be an exception or two. I would hope given where you live you are more open minded about immigration reform.

          • gcblues

            correct about me, incorrect about yourself. bunch your last 2 comments together. you are no more mainstream than obama or bernie. corporate welfare? the rich? against letting people out of govt schooling. the wars were impossible without centrist support. by your own admission you are in the occupy realm, hardly centrist. i have been more open minded about open borders all my life, it has nothing to do with where i live. my right wing views are libertarian not cultural or fascist. oh and while human caused climate change may be somewhat true there is not an ounce of evidence that humans can change back climate. it is well over stated and a dramatic money grab. science of the stupids just like a lot of science fads throughout history.

          • Michael T

            You failed to cite a single example of policies I either favor or oppose that when polling is done I am NOT with the majority (almost exclusively).

            I’m about as mainstream as it gets pal.

          • gcblues

            look pal. that is baloney. climate paranoia, the rich, corporations banking polling is how it is worded. the occupy people, which is what your citations add up to, are not a majority pal. got it pal. if you want to have a discussion pal, quit with the personal assaults. got it pal? also i would point out the wars you decry, you were in a minority at the time, with me. so how about you can the pal sh!t. state your case and try to prove it and i will try to refute it. makes life easier.

          • gcblues

            look pal. that is baloney. climate paranoia, the rich, corporations banking polling is how it is worded. the occupy people, which is what your citations add up to, are not a majority pal. got it pal. if you want to have a discussion pal, quit with the personal assaults. got it pal? also i would point out the wars you decry, you were in a minority at the time, with me. so how about you can the pal shitte. state your case and try to prove it and i will try to refute it. makes life easier.

          • Michael T

            Still waiting…no polling data yet as to a position I favor that doesn’t have majority support.

            For example, count me in the 64% concerned about this issue.

            “U.S. Concern About Global Warming at Eight-Year High”
            http://www.gallup.com/poll/190010/concern-global-warming-eight-year-high.aspx?g_source=CATEGORY_CLIMATE_CHANGE&g_medium=topic&g_campaign=tiles

            Caution: Don’t try to move the goal post like Gatxer tried to do. The debate point I raised was, “On almost every issue I side with the majority of the population.”

          • gcblues

            i am going to smoke beans instead of wasting my time grabbing inductive bits of evidence to show you how unimportant and acentrist your views are. good luck to ya michael. look up the necessary requirements of deductive and inductive proof, your’s is inductive evidence btw, and don’t ever lecture me again on debate or i will send you to the dark dead languages of it’s inception. the fight, you win. there was no debate. you pissed me off. way not centrist dude.

          • Michael T

            “I am going to smoke beans instead…”

            Doesn’t that give you really bad gas?

            (I much prefer smoked salmon.)

          • GATXER

            So like most americans 70-80% you favor voter ID laws? Don’t tell disgraced MOE that….he will tell you that you are racist.

          • Michael T

            That’s two (out of 20 or 30).
            1) School vouchers
            2) Voter ID laws (as you correctly noted)

          • Michael T

            “i hope someday you get to realize the true cost of the the rest of your sentences.”

            Compared to corporate welfare, tax loopholes for the rich and wars in Afghanistan and the Middle East — ACA is a mere pittance and no one will lose their house if they are suddenly diagnosed with cancer–or lose their insurance if they lose their job.

            Empathy and compassion for all Americans (rich and poor) is badly missing from your side.

            The climate change deniers will have to answer to their grandchildren when asked, “Grandpa why didn’t your generation do something?” How will you explain it was the conservative media, the Koch brothers and other Big Oil interests?

      • Cecelia

        I’d include his hotdogging of the Henry Gates, Travon Martin, and Michael Brown matters.

        • gcblues

          the boston prof.

  • Larry Kelly

    I believe Univision actually wanted the debate commission to put Trump in front of a Mexican firing squad. Their disappointment understandable.

    • sky303

      That would be some telenovela plot .

      • gcblues

        i live with telenovelas, it would take 6 years for the bullet to actually hit em.

        • Grandpa D

          Ha! Just like US soap operas.

          • Larry Kelly

            As a kid I watched General Hospital every Christmas vacation. Always knew what was going on.

  • Today’s most popular links:
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    1 Wemple: How long can Brian Williams continue to shelter himself?

    • Larry Kelly

      Okay, let the Feds takeover the elections. See if I care.

    • Joe Concha

      3rd in a dunk contest ain’t bad.

      • Larry Kelly

        Unless your up against the cast of Little People, Big World.

  • Michael T

    Do any of you know what blocking someone on Disqus (not Twitter) means exactly?

    I know it means all their Disqus comments are now hidden from you (only). But what I really want to know is does it mean they will no longer be able to reply to any of your comments, which is what I really want?

    I don’t want a certain commenter replying with snark when I am the only one who cannot read it. For me that’s not really blocking. But I am afraid this is how it may work. Maybe they should change the name to “hiding.” 🙂

    TIA.

    • GATXER
      • Michael T

        Thanks man. I appreciate.

        Unfortunately it works as I thought it might.

        It hides everything, but it doesn’t prevent the blocked user from replying to your comment.

        Oh well. I wasn’t that sure I wanted to block only the second user (the other one being that silly “son of flon” or whatever he goes by person.

        • Larry Kelly

          I’ve never blocked anyone on Disqus, and now I never will.

          • gcblues

            ditto

          • Cecelia

            I’ve never blocked anyone on Disqus or Twitter.

          • Larry Kelly

            I blocked Joe years ago on Twitter. I think all stooges and toadies have me blocked. Probably a good thing for all involved.

        • Cecelia

          And you can count on my replying whether you can see it not.

          • Michael T

            I’ve just never understood how you type way up there on that broomstick. [rimshot]

          • Cecelia

            I ride it like a surfboard.

          • Larry Kelly

            Quidditch Is worth a tryout if you get near Hogwarts.