The Faces of GOP Propaganda

Howard Dean makes an ignorant statement. Not exactly a News Alert, but when he takes on Fox, we put his words to the test.

When Howard Dean talks about FNC, that piques our interest:
In a recent interview with Fox News, Dick Cheney called Dean "over the top." So here's how Dean responded..."My view is Fox News is a propaganda outlet for the Republican Party and I don't comment on Fox News".

So Dr Dean was asked Question A, instead responded to Question B (never asked), and after commenting on Fox News, he explained that he doesn't comment on Fox News! If that isn't sufficiently shallow, there's eighth-tier talk host Stephanie Miller, who described FNC as a "right-wing freak show". And there's a particularly vacuous comment over at the CNN fan blog:
FNC is nothing more than a 24/7 campaign outlet for the republicans!!

What makes it vacuous is that the writer boasts that he doesn't even watch Fox News. (Perhaps he will have a new feature on his website where he reviews books that he hasn't read, and critiques Mission: Impossible 4 before shooting even begins.)

The reason for these sudden, strangely coordinated attacks? Could it be because FNC is still trouncing the cable news competition and the losers are getting desperate? We of course have gone down this road before, when Oliver Willis called FNC "propaganda" for the Bush administration. We proved Oliver's Story to be a fractured fairy tale. Now let's put the claims of Howard Dean and the others to the test.

We went through Fox News Channel's coverage for the morning of June 13, 2005--six hours from 6:00 am to 12 noon Eastern. Here are the faces of "Republican propaganda" on the "24/7 campaign outlet for the Republicans":


posted: Mon - June 13, 2005 at 09:07 PM       j$p  send 

john t
That's nice Dollar you put pictures of guests that appear on Fox's shows.
Now how about putting the pictures up of the Liberals that hosts shows on Fox. Don't worry about the 6hr. time frame. Go for the 24hr. time frame.
June 14, 2005, 12:04:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Perhaps I will do that when Dean makes a claim about who the hosts are. And then do a compare/contrast with the competition. But that's not what Dean claimed, which according to him was a systematic propagation of a single viewpoint ("propaganda" defined).
Dean is either ignorant or he lied. In this case I don't think it's a lie. It's just ignorance.
June 14, 2005, 12:13:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I thought that Bill Sammon, as part of Special Report With Brit Hume's Monday panel, made a good point about Dr. Dean. Why alienate a network that has more audience than the other news cable outlets combined? Especially when the FNC audience includes many independents and Democrats.
Here is a question for Howard Dean, and all the Newshounds: if FNC was only watched by conservatives and slants to the right, wouldn't the audience automatically flip the dial over to MSNBC's Scarborough Country at 10pm ET instead of the more liberal and non-political Greta Van Susteren? On most nights, Greta has 3x to 4x the audience of Scarborough.
June 14, 2005, 12:56:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Excellent point, Ira! And don't forget Greta is married to a Democrat fundraiser. According to the hounds and their Outfoxed masters, if your spouse campaigns for a party, that makes YOU a partisan for the same party (don't ask, it's hound logic). And Greta's Clinton interview got big numbers for FNC.
One might ask the same question about the "conservative" O'Reilly, when he goes off on a toot about gay adoptions, taxing SUVs, the Iraq War, etc. Or Geraldo ("I love you President Clinton") Rivera. Etc etc.
June 14, 2005, 1:02:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

john t
You must have a different dictionary than I do. "the particular doctrines or principles propagated by an organization or concerted movement". That the definition I got.
June 14, 2005, 1:12:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply

OK, let's play the definition game--I got these from two different sources, apparently john t doesn't understand that there in fact ARE different dictionaries in the world:
"The systematic propagation of a doctrine or cause"
"Ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one's cause"
Sounds like a single viewpoint to me.
Yet again they walk around actually responding to the topic though. I wonder why that is...
June 14, 2005, 1:26:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Well, whatever definition you use--even john t's--it's clear Dean's statement is hogwash. All those independent and Democrat viewpoints over six hours prove that FNC does not propogate the doctrines of any one movement but rather gives all points of view.
So Dean's ignorant statement remains as ignorant as before.
June 14, 2005, 1:31:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply

No doubt there Johnny
June 14, 2005, 1:33:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

strangely, all that is seen in Johnny D's pictures are faces and names. Can you tell me what viewpoints they were espousing? I mean if we're talking about a point of view they're not necessarily going to toe the party line anymore than all republicans toe the line.
What were the people whose faces you used talking about? Oh, and another question, were any of them ridiculed of were their points of view downplayed later?
June 14, 2005, 2:04:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

not of.. or. I mean OR. sorry.
June 14, 2005, 2:04:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
That would make for an interesting article Kaitlyn...but I already wrote that one. (See the Oliver's Story entry that is linked in this article.) That one was a text-based rebuttal; this one uses graphics.
"they're not necessarily going to toe the party line anymore than all republicans toe the line"
And if neither Dems, independents, nor Republicans always toe the line, then what is this nonsense about FNC being 24/7 Republican propaganda?
June 14, 2005, 2:24:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Appleseed
hmm...JD you live in a blind world. FNC is nothing more than GOP Teevee..WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
June 16, 2005, 6:21:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Well if you say so, it must be true. Never mind the little issue of evidence or proof. Just keep repeating it, and if necessary put your hands over your ears and sing LA-LA-LA-LA whenever anyone tries to present facts. That will keep the echo chamber pure.
June 16, 2005, 9:08:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply