The Last Refuge of a Liar

Some people will say anything to smear Fox News. And this time it's not just the Outfoxed gals. With J$P Video! Updated!

You have to feel sympathy for the folks over at What's Happening at CNN (that sounds like the title for one of the World's Thinnest Books). As their favorite network falls further behind the most powerful name in news, they have to grab at any scrap they can. One wonders if this example is typical of their "reporting", or if they were the recipients of another tip from a CNN "insider":
It's always a topic on the internet who was first with the story. Well let it go down on record CNN was first with the Breaking News that a 5.6 earthequake [sic] hit California. A CNN/LA staffer was put on the air at 11:55am EDT saying the quake happened at around 11:45am EDT. FNC didn't have the story until 12:00pm EDT.

That's a scoop worth crowing about. However, somebody was speaking with forked tongue [note the time stamp in the lower left corner]:

Oops. By our clock, 11:52 am comes several minutes before 11:55 am. We're sure that the fine folks at WHaCNN will correct "the record" and we await their retraction.

But those guys are pikers compared to the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed cabal). Few others have such a demonstrated ability to create a whole mountain of nonexistent "bias" out of just a few small falsehoods:
At 4:10 p.m. ET Friday...Fox aired video of Bush over a banner at the bottom of the screen that read: "Coming up: Patriot Bush." At 4:19 p.m. ET, Fox aired another shot of Bush above a banner which read: "The Fight at Home."...Fox aired a six second clip of which Bush said we should "renew all the provisions of the Patriot Act" and make those "provisions permanent."...those two promos were for that six second clip of Bush. Two promos for a six second clip? I say the two promos were an excuse to promote Bush, as a patriot and a fighter...

Let's first look at the "Fight at Home" teaser [QuickTime video clip]:

Newspoodle Melanie insists that even after she "reviewed the tape" this was a promo for a "six second clip of Bush". But the clip of Bush had nothing to do with the subject of this promo. However, an extensive segment just minutes later--with Claudia Cowan, who appeared in the promo--did:

Why does Melanie want us to believe this segment never aired? Your guess is as good as ours. The ways of the curs are unknowable to the rational mind.

But the capper has to be Mel's claim that a banner read "Patriot Bush" and was designed to "promote Bush as a patriot". Mel won't show you this banner, but we will:

Well what do you know? A story about the push to renew the Patriot Act is bannered as "Patriot Push". Not "Patriot Bush". How strange, given that Melanie insists she "reviewed the tape". So much for the notion that Fox was trying to "promote Bush as a patriot".

So was it a simple mistake, or a deliberate lie? A poster gently challenged her claim that the banner read "Patriot Bush":
If as you claim you have a tape of this program, why don't you look at it again, so you can issue a retraction for claiming that a banner read "Patriot: Bush"?

Melanie was having none of that:
Are you losing it or are you so desperate that you have to come here and lie? I just looked at the tape, and actually, you're wrong, because it says "Patriot Bush," plain as day...You are insane, because it says Patriot Bush. I don't know what kind of BS you're going to pull, but if you claim it doesn't say Patriot Bush, you will be lying.

So who is lying? We report, you decide.

Update: Here comes correction #1, and no one will be surprised that it ain't the newspooches who are first to fess up:
I can't believe at the number of nasty e-mails I have gotten from some folks telling me what they are going to do to me if i don't retract this item. It appears FNC reported the earthquake minutes before CNN. Now people take a chill pill. Watch your Fox News Channel. I'm glad you're watching and I ain't! BTW, NO ONE at CNN tells me what to put on MY BLOG!!!!

Yes, the four exclamation points are in the original, just after the writer advises other people to take a "chill pill". It's good to know that nobody at CNN tells him what to post, but that raises another question. Since the writer insists he doesn't watch FNC, we have to wonder who fed him this spurious informaton, and why a bad source should be protected.

But we digress. It's always good to get a prompt retraction. Now we wait to see if the anti-Fox terriers let their false report stand, or admit they've misled their readers again (while insisting, of course, that it's a "trivial" mistake that doesn't affect their argument one whit).

Update: Here's correction #2, as Melanie finally throws in the towel:
PARTIAL RETRACTION: I made a mistake on this post. I was so focused (or not, apparently) that I didn't see what was right in front of me....I apologize for letting our readers down and I am sorry if I let my fellow News Hounds down. My friend suggested that Fox may have intentionally used the word "push," easily confused with the word "Bush," as a way to fool viewers...This experience alerts me to a new tact [sic] I've got to watch for when monitoring Fox.

Umm, OK. Keep an eye out for "hush", "crush", and "tush" too--more sneaky Fox rhymes to trick people.

Enter the gullible readers, as one of them tries to point people to this site:
It's not allowing me to post the site....that's odd. It said I had "questionable content" and when i took the link out I could post. Posted by: Keg

Nothing odd about it. The hounds block anyone from posting a link to J$P. Have to keep the echo-chamber pure of any dissent, you know.
I found it. I just Googled "Johnny Dollar". I am checking it out right now. People can post, but since it's his blog he'll probably delete anything I put up - but it won't stop me from trying. Nice of Newshound to allow this troll to post....

Sorry, the newspups banned us from their site long ago. And they justed banned the poster who exposed them in this case. Can't have anyone pointing out their lies; it kind of spoils the effect.
Even about this topic he lied on his site - instead of sticking strictly to the facts, he still had to insert lies. Posted by: Alishye

What are the "lies", Alishye? Read the Rules of Posting and dive in. Unlike the spineless cowards in the kennel, we don't ban people for disagreeing.

posted: Sun - June 12, 2005 at 03:38 PM       j$p  send 

Johnny Appleseed
geez got your panties in a wad? maybe you should switch to boxer shorts or maybe freeball.
June 12, 2005, 6:16:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Sailor Kenshin
Why do the newspoodles pull these stunts?
Uhmmmmmm...... 'cause they're mental?
June 12, 2005, 6:20:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I especially like how they switched from I DID NOT MAKE A MISTAKE to "she supposedly made a mistake" to another topic to divert attention from their distortions and lies. Maybe she wasn't wearing her glasses. Or maybe she doesn't know her alphabet.
June 12, 2005, 6:41:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply

john t is completely confused - he thinks you're me and I'm you and who knows what else:
"No Corno doesn't work for Fox. He's the spineless troll from over at Dollars site. He's been banned under alot of different names. He goes by Mike on Dollars site."
-Posted by: john t at June 12, 2005
Those people are about to melt down.
Push won - get over it!
June 12, 2005, 6:46:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
"Push won"...LOL! That's the best laugh I've had in a while!
June 12, 2005, 7:09:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

john t
I'm glad you just cleared up my confusion there Little Big Man Mikey. Since you just admitted Dollar was Corno. Thanks again Spineless.
June 12, 2005, 8:47:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
He did? I must have missed that, or is this another of john t's trademark bits of misinformation?
As opposed to lying, like Melanie did--and got caught.
June 12, 2005, 9:38:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Awww partial retraction. Poor Melanie
June 12, 2005, 9:49:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Melanie just admitted that it was "PUSH" - but added that "Fox may have intentionally used the word "push," easily confused with the word "Bush," as a way to fool viewers."
But FOX is smart - they know it will only fool idiots like the hounds!
June 12, 2005, 10:05:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Yes, and they also use "Rush", "Lush", "Hush", "Crush", and "Tush"--all as a way to sneakily confuse people into thinking it's "Bush".
Now somebody is over there claiming that I inserted "lies" into my article. They said they're going to post over here. "He'll probably delete anything I put up," she sez. Not if you follow the Rules of Posting. Read 'em first, Alishye, then make sure you tell me what the "lies" are in the article.
June 12, 2005, 10:28:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny I'm reminded of something my Grandma told me when I was a little girl. 
"The truth never changes."
You did not have to issue a retraction tonight, partial or otherwise.
June 12, 2005, 10:55:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Yes, and where's Alishye? She posted that my articles are full of lies, and said she's going to come over here and tell us all about it. But no Alishye. No doubt she's busy inventorying all the lies so she can provide a full list.
June 12, 2005, 10:57:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

corno di bassetto,
First of all, I didn't say your article was "full of lies" and I never said I was going to come over here and "tell you all about them". 
You were right about the "Push"/"Bush" issue, and it's good that you posted a nice long article informing (what little traffic) you have about this issue. I'm wondering if you devote that much energy to the Downing Street Memo or the latest DSM scandal:,,2087-1650822_1,00.html
But I digress; this is actually this is exactly what I said:
I found it. I just Googled "Johnny Dollar". I am checking it out right now. People can post, but since it's his blog he'll probably delete anything I put up - but it won't stop me from trying.
Nice of Newshound to allow this troll to post. I think he's taking advantage of it. I doubt he would allow a debate to last long on his blog when HE is wrong.
Even about this topic he lied on his site - instead of sticking strictly to the facts, he still had to insert lies."
Since you're proven you're fussy about the wording of an issue (even a colon!), I would think you could at least quote me more accurately than you did.
The poster you claimed "gently" corrected Melanie was anything but - you failed to include his (yours?) other posts before saying - 
"Melanie was having none of that:"
And while you might not agree with the retraction Melanie posted, she did post one and you have failed to mention that in your long article debating the words "Push" and "Bush".
It seems very silly to me considering there are so many more newsworthy issues out today. 
After visting this site, I now see what really concerns the Neo-Cons.
June 12, 2005, 11:22:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Hi, Alishye. You said I inserted "lies" into this article. I'm waiting to hear what they are. You haven't pointed one out yet.
As for claiming I did not mention Melanie's retraction, perhaps you'd better take a closer look at the article. We have updates at the bottom.
"The poster you claimed "gently" corrected Melanie was anything but - you failed to include his (yours?) other posts"
The poster (corno) made exactly ONE post after the one I quoted before Melanie chimed in by calling him a liar--and that one post wasn't even addressed to Melanie. His request for a retraction was quite gentlemanly, and Melanie's reaction was hysterical and shrewish. Now if you can quote something he posted to Melanie that counters that, have at it.
So neo-cons aside (where did THAT come from?!?), what were those "lies" again?
June 12, 2005, 11:58:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

corno di bassetto,
Slick of you to edit (minus the exact time you did your editing) your "article" to reflect Newshound's retraction AFTER I made my post in here.
June 13, 2005, 12:01:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply

corno di bassetto,
Actually, you made TWO before Melanie "chimed" in. You didn't address it to her but you did say: 
"You'll have to ask Melanie."
June 13, 2005, 12:06:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply

"As for claiming I did not mention Melanie's retraction, perhaps you'd better take a closer look at the article. We have updates at the bottom." - corno di bassetto
Sure, it's updated now (big of you), but it WASN'T update before I made my first post.
June 13, 2005, 12:07:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply

corno di bassetto,
I don't find you're posts at Newshound were "gentle" at all; I find them sarcastic.
Your word usage leaves something to be desired.
Maybe you can delete ALL my posts to make it appear I was too frightened to confront you. I'm sure it'll make you look really good to your bloggers.
June 13, 2005, 12:12:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
The update was done around 11:30 pm. It may not have been updated when you made your first post, but it had been updated by the time I READ your first post (which was around midnight). I ALWAYS note retractions when they are made. It's like an actor receiving an Oscar: acknowledgement of success. Unfortunately, the hounds usually don't correct their mistakes/lies without someone like corno there to directly ask them to. That's why you'll fine hundreds of falsehoods documented on this site that have never been retracted or corrected.
And please stop calling me corno. I am J$. Actually, there is someone who posts at NH all the time who knows what the story is regarding corno and me. (This person supports the hounds, and therefore hasn't been banned.) Since that person isn't you, my humble suggestion is that you don't go calling me "corno".
Now this is the third time I'm asking, and it's a journalist's rule not to ask a question more than three times, because then it becomes rude. What are the "lies" I inserted in my article? In your own words.
June 13, 2005, 12:20:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Well you may find corno's posts sarcastic, but he didn't go calling anyone "moron", "idiot", etc. That's what passes for "discussion" at the hound site. I hope you enjoy wallowing in that dirt.
And if you read my article, it said that corno's request for a retraction was gently phrased. And it was.
Already playing the DELETE card, and the discussion isn't even an hour old! Sigh. I was hoping for better. How ironic, given that the pups won't let corno or me post over there. I'm sure that makes them look really good, doesn't it?
June 13, 2005, 12:24:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Jimmy Jumps
Thanks for pointing out the "error" in Melanie's report!
When I read the Newshounds reports I don't want to "leave" their site thinking what I read was "gospel"! I want to investigate ALL sides of the report and make up my own mind! This holds for your site as well!
The thing that upset me the most was that the "regular" posters took Melanie's report as "gospel" and defended her report not really knowing if it was incorrect or not! These people lose any credibilty when they try to defend inaccurate reports!
June 13, 2005, 10:02:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petroldollar
Seems like Johnny dollar runs this site by herself, no life??
June 13, 2005, 7:09:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petroldollar
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Edited By Siteowner
June 13, 2005, 7:10:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
It seemed like to me they based some of their decisions on the word of — and the allegations — by people who were held in detention, people who hate America, people that had been trained in some instances to disassemble — that means
June 13, 2005, 7:15:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
See, in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." —George W. Bush, Greece, N.Y., May 24, 2005
June 13, 2005, 7:17:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
Johnyy never makes mistakes, except that date with jeff Gannon. He shouldn't have worn heals.
June 13, 2005, 7:18:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
Hey Johnyy Jeff G says you were great. Did you pay him or was it a freebee gift from Fox News for your fine work?
June 13, 2005, 7:23:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
50. "I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here." —at the President's Economic Forum in Waco, Texas, Aug. 13, 2002
49. "We spent a lot of time talking about Africa, as we should. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease." —Gothenburg, Sweden, June 14, 2001
48. "You teach a child to read, and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test.'' —Townsend, Tenn., Feb. 21, 2001
47. "We both use Colgate toothpaste." —after a reporter asked what he had in common with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, Camp David, Md., Feb. 23, 2001
46. "Tribal sovereignty means that; it's sovereign. I mean, you're a — you've been given sovereignty, and you're viewed as a sovereign entity. And therefore the relationship between the federal government and tribes is one between sovereign entities." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 6, 2004 
45. "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003
44. "I'm the commander — see, I don't need to explain — I do not need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being president." —as quoted in Bob Woodward's Bush at War
43. "I am here to make an announcement that this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly out of Ronald Reagan Airport." —Washington, D.C., Oct. 3, 2001
42. "The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself." —Grand Rapids, Mich., Jan. 29, 2003
41. "I saw a poll that said the right track/wrong track in Iraq was better than here in America. It's pretty darn strong. I mean, the people see a better future." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 23, 2004
40. "Oh, no, we're not going to have any casualties." —discussing the Iraq war with Christian Coalition founder Pat Robertson, as quoted by Robertson
39. "I hear there's rumors on the Internets that we're going to have a draft." —presidential debate, St. Louis, Mo., Oct. 8, 2004
38. "Haven't we already given money to rich people? Why are we going to do it again?" —to economic advisers discussing a second round of tax cuts, as quoted by former Treasury Secretary Paul O'Neil, Washington, D.C., Nov. 26, 2002
37. "We need an energy bill that encourages consumption." —Trenton, N.J., Sept. 23, 2002
36. "After standing on the stage, after the debates, I made it very plain, we will not have an all-volunteer army. And yet, this week — we will have an all-volunteer army!" —Daytona Beach, Fla., Oct. 16, 2004 
35. "Do you have blacks, too?" —to Brazilian President Fernando Cardoso, Washington, D.C., Nov. 8, 2001
34. "This foreign policy stuff is a little frustrating." —as quoted by the New York Daily News, April 23, 2002
33. "I got to know Ken Lay when he was head
June 13, 2005, 7:33:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
32. "It is white." —after being asked by a child in Britain what the White House was like, July 19, 2001
31. "I couldn't imagine somebody like Osama bin Laden understanding the joy of Hanukkah." —at a White House menorah lighting ceremony, Washington, D.C., Dec. 10, 2001
30. "For every fatal shooting, there were roughly three non-fatal shootings. And, folks, this is unacceptable in America. It's just unacceptable. And we're going to do something about it." —Philadelphia, Penn., May 14, 2001
29. "I don't know why you're talking about Sweden. They're the neutral one. They don't have an army." —during a Dec. 2002 Oval Office meeting with Rep. Tom Lantos, as reported by the New York Times
28. "You forgot Poland." —to Sen. John Kerry during the first presidential debate, after Kerry failed to mention Poland's contributions to the Iraq war coalition, Miami, Fla., Sept. 30, 2004
27. "I'm the master of low expectations." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003
26. "I'm also not very analytical. You know I don't spend a lot of time thinking about myself, about why I do things." —aboard Air Force One, June 4, 2003 
25. "I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe — I believe what I believe is right." —Rome, Italy, July 22, 2001
24. "We need to counter the shockwave of the evildoer by having individual rate cuts accelerated and by thinking about tax rebates." —Washington, D.C. Oct. 4, 2001
23. "People say, how can I help on this war against terror? How can I fight evil? You can do so by mentoring a child; by going into a shut-in's house and say I love you." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 19, 2002
22. "I wish you'd have given me this written question ahead of time so I could plan for it…I'm sure something will pop into my head here in the midst of this press conference, with all the pressure of trying to come up with answer, but it hadn't yet….I don't want to sound like I have made no mistakes. I'm confident I have. I just haven't — you just put me under the spot here, and maybe I'm not as quick on my feet as I should be in coming up with one." —President George W. Bush, after being asked to name the biggest mistake he had made, Washington, D.C., April 3, 2004
21. "The really rich people figure out how to dodge taxes anyway." —explaining why high taxes on the rich are a failed strategy, Annandale, Va., Aug. 9, 2004
20. "My plan reduces the national debt, and fast. So fast, in fact, that economists worry that we're going to run out of debt to retire." —radio address, Feb. 24, 2001
19. "You know, when I was one time campaigning in Chicago, a reporter said, 'Would you ever have a deficit?' I said, 'I can't imagine it, but there would be one if we had a war, or a national emergency, or a recession.' Never did I dream we'd get the trifecta." —Houston, Texas, June 14, 2002 (There is no evidence Bush ever made any such statement, despite re
June 13, 2005, 7:34:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
18. "See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003
17. "The British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." —State of the Union Address, Jan. 28, 2003, making a claim that administration officials knew at the time to be false
16. "In Iraq, no doubt about it, it's tough. It's hard work. It's incredibly hard." —repeating the phrases "hard work," "working hard," "hard choices," and other "hard"-based verbiage 22 times in his first debate with Sen. John Kerry
15. "The most important thing is for us to find Osama bin Laden. It is our number one priority and we will not rest until we find him." —Washington, D.C., Sept. 13, 2001
14. "I don't know where bin Laden is. I have no idea and really don't care. It's not that important. It's not our priority." —Washington, D.C., March 13, 2002
13. "But all in all, it's been a fabulous year for Laura and me." —summing up his first year in office, three months after the 9/11 attacks, Washington, D.C., Dec. 20, 2001
12. "I try to go for longer runs, but it's tough around here at the White House on the outdoor track. It's sad that I can't run longer. It's one of the saddest things about the presidency." —interview with "Runners World," Aug. 2002
11. "Can we win? I don't think you can win it." —after being asked whether the war on terror was winnable, "Today" show interview, Aug. 30, 2004
10. "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." —Washington, D.C. June 18, 2002
9. "I trust God speaks through me. Without that, I couldn't do my job." —to a group of Amish he met with privately, July 9, 2004
8. "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed." —speaking underneath a "Mission Accomplished" banner aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, May 1, 2003
7. “We found the weapons of mass destruction. We found biological laboratories … And we'll find more weapons as time goes on. But for those who say we haven't found the banned manufacturing devices or banned weapons, they're wrong, we found them." —Washington, D.C., May 30, 2003
6. "Those weapons of mass destruction have got to be somewhere!" —President George W. Bush, joking about his administration's failure to find WMDs in Iraq as he narrated a comic slideshow during the Radio & TV Correspondents' Association dinner, Washington, D.C., March 24, 2004
5. "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
4. "There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., S
June 13, 2005, 7:35:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
johnny Jeff called, he forgot his pants at your place.
June 13, 2005, 7:38:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
3. "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB-GYNs aren't able to practice their love with women all across this country." —Poplar Bluff, Mo., Sept. 6, 2004 
2. "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." —Washington, D.C., Aug. 5, 2004 (Watch video)
1. "My answer is bring them on." —on Iraqi insurgents attacking U.S. forces, Washington, D.C., July 3, 2003
~Compiled by Daniel Kurtzman
June 13, 2005, 7:41:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
After deleting a pile of spam comments from "Johnny Petrol-dollar", all of the above appeared, so we took The Ultimate Step and banned him for comments abuse. I mean, a guy who doesn't even know how to spell his own name is iffy to start with, but when you violate the Rules of Posting, them's the breaks. Congrats on being the only person who is banned from J$P.
June 13, 2005, 8:04:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

which part of "No Juvenalia" is calling someone "Newspoodles"?
June 13, 2005, 8:26:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply

How exactly do you justify calling people poodles? Is that the adult in you?
June 13, 2005, 8:27:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Maybe that's his name. By the way is this the cite where we can complain about Fox News? because those people are just nuts. I mean Bill O'reilly, what a twerp, he can't debate without talking over someone or cutting off there mic. What is with him? Plus Neil Cavuto, he has the the murder-in-chief on and he doesn't ask when we will be leaving Iraq or if bush is sorry for the abuses the war he lied about has caused. What a butt kissing apologist. gees Johnny aren't you sad that our country is doing this? You should be. I mean thing about it what if those were American soldiers in Abu grab (sp?)....
June 13, 2005, 8:36:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

oops i meant site. sorry. i know how careful you have to be when speaking or posting. unless you are the murder-in-chief, then any words no matter how mangled will. do. I liked the Johnn-petrol guy he was fun to read.
June 13, 2005, 8:37:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Appleseed
June 13, 2005, 10:45:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The attack of the illiterates!
June 14, 2005, 1:51:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
It's a little taste of the newshounds, right here at J$P.
June 14, 2005, 1:52:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
So really why is it ok to call people "poodles" here? I thought you didn't allow personal attacks.
June 14, 2005, 3:13:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
Bite me. wow I bet you had to think about that one.
June 14, 2005, 3:14:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
doesn't the John here delete personal atacks? wouldn;t calling people poodles fall under his own rules?
June 14, 2005, 3:15:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny Petrol-dollar
Did you mom tell you it was ok to insult people?
June 14, 2005, 3:17:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Do the hound supporters remind anyone of cult followers? Sort of like what happens to people who dare to criticize Scientology. Perhaps these people just go off the deep end when the hounds are caught making it up and lying--again. You'll notice that they can't address the fact that the kennel dwellers have misled their readers again, just like the hundreds of others mistakes/distortions/lies documented here. That's because for them it's OK to lie to smear Fox News.
That may be how the hounds operate, but we have a different standard here: facts and truth. That's like a foreign language to the hounds, but it's coin of the realm here. Watch how rarely a hound defender addresses their falsehoods with either facts or truth.
June 14, 2005, 9:53:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Wow, apparently they think those of us who actually think for ourselves can be beat into submission like the 'hounds devotees...
June 14, 2005, 9:53:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply

unwilling or incapapble or replying to the poster asking bout your no personal attack rule?
June 14, 2005, 5:02:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Wow, apparently they think those of us who actually think for ourselves can be beat into submission like the 'J$D devotees...
June 14, 2005, 5:03:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny presents the facts, with plenty of links to the actual evidence, and encourages us to explore for ourselves. The Newshounds present their version of things and don't bother to try to support anything with facts (ummm could that be because they stray so far from the facts we wonder whether they even watch FOX, as they claim). Their very motto is "We watch FOX so you don't have to"--so they are in fact encouraging people NOT to watch the channel and decide for themselves.
June 14, 2005, 6:02:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
The no personal attack rule stands. You'll note it's part of our rules of posting comments. If you can find where I have made PERSONAL attacks in these comments threads, let me know.
As for what appears in the articles about the hounds, my style and approach is based on what they do and permit.
And finally, referencing "poodles" for "hounds" doesn't qualify as a "personal attack" in the first place. It's what's called a "play on words" (Google it if you aren't familiar with the phrase). A personal attack is calling another poster "moron", "spineless", "idiot", a "g--d--- ---hole", etc etc...all examples taken from just ONE comments thread from the Outfoxed gals.
Clear now?
June 14, 2005, 6:27:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply