Beginner's Muck


How often do the Outfoxed gals lie in the very first sentence of a "report"? More often than one might think. Why just today... Updated!

The newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed mob) have assigned their newest mastiff, Donna, to keep an eye on Shepard Smith and Studio-B. But who is keeping an eye on Donna? Since the newspups could care less how much their writers lie and distort, that duty falls to us. The first words of her latest "report" [headlined: Praise Be the Patriot Act & God Bless Bill O'Reilly]:
Under the banner of 'Remembering Oklahoma City', Shepard Smith on Studio B used the opportunity to praise the Patriot Act...

It appears that probie Donna is quickly learning the ropes over at the kook kennel, since this allegation is, quite simply, a lie, as will become apparent shortly.
I thought we were going to get an overall view of the Oklahoma City bombing and the victims and their families...

Really? Here's how Shep introduced the segment:

SMITH: Statistics show the number of terror groups in the United States has fallen sharply in the decade since the attack on Oklahoma City. But as far as we know, Timothy McVeigh did not act on behalf of any terror group. He acted on his own, with some degree of help, and that's still up for debate. So how much do we assess the threats posed by lone extremists? Joining us now from San Bernadino California is Brian Levin...

Now what exactly in that intro led probie Donna to believe this was going to be about the families of victims? The answer is: nothing. She made it up.
Smith and Levin started right in on terrorism coming from the internet and praising the Patriot Act.

SMITH: How goes it now? Are we in any better shape than we were prior to this guy, Tim McVeigh and Terry Nichols et al?
LEVIN: In some ways yes, and in some ways no. Let me try to give you a non-professorial answer to that. The number of militia groups have dropped significantly. First of all...

So where did either Smith or Levin start right in praising the Patriot Act, or for that matter talking about terrorism coming from internet? They didn't. Probie made it up. Several answers later Levin pointed out that lone extremists don't have to join a group because "they get their inspiration and know-how from the internet". But still no mention of the Patriot Act.

Almost four minutes into the discussion, near the end of the interview, finally someone mentions the Patriot Act. Ah, this must be where Mr Smith "started right in praising" it, right?

SMITH: You mentioned the Patriot Act and I'm glad you did. So many that the Patriot Act gives the government the ability to help them find people, maybe before they could have in past days. And then there are those who suggest, well maybe some people are inflamed by the restrictions which the Patriot Act imposes. Your sense of things?

This can't be what the probie was referring to. This can't be Shep Smith "starting right in" to "praise the Patriot Act", can it? As it turns out, this "praise" is the only reference Shepard Smith makes to the Patriot Act in the entire segment!
Levin then said the Patriot Act was very important in the apprehension of Sami al-Arian. Then he sealed the deal. He said, 'God Bless Bill O'Reilly, he was on top of it, the Patriot Act lowered the bar."

Congratulations, probie! You are a true newspoodle; you can run counterfeit quotes with the best of them:

LEVIN: He was basically, allegedly running a terrorist organization. And God bless Bill O'Reilly, he was on top of it. And because of the tools provided by the Patriot Act, what it allowed investigators to do, there was a foreign intelligence investigation. But that evidence could not be used in a criminal trial. What the Patriot Act did was lower the wall and allow this exchange of information, allowing the indictment of this particular individual.

"Lower the wall" of separation permitting agencies to talk to each other? Hey, that's what the 9/11 commission wanted to happen. We can't have any mention of that. How about changing it to "lowered the bar"? Much better. Why tell the truth when you can use a phony, doctored quote?
What was supposed to be a story on a memorial for the 10 year anniversary of the Oklahoma City bombing turned out to be a commercial for the Patriot Act.

LEVIN: The key is here we have to be careful to make sure that we constrain the limits to really deal with extremists and terrorists cases, and not just with every criminal that might come about. It was an implicit agreement with the American people that the Patriot Act would give greater powers to government, but it would be used judiciously--for terrorists.

Donna may be a probie amongst the newspups, but she's proven herself to be a purveyor of falsehoods and distortions that can rank with the worst of the anti-Fox terriers.

Update: Mr Levin got wind of how the probie distorted his appearance and his comments are priceless.

posted: Tue - April 19, 2005 at 09:18 PM       j$p  send 

Mike
Donna is trying to beat nancy out for "Chief News Hound" for the month of April by proving that she has more "ooommph."
April 20, 2005, 2:25:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'm trying to figure out just who this "Donna" is. When she first posted articles she did it using "ellen's" account. Now she posts articles using her own name, but she posts comments using the account of "Scarlet Pdb". So is "Donna" actually "Scarlet"? Or is "Donna" really "ellen"?
 
The most intriguing possibility is that "Scarlet" is really "ellen". That would make prolific commenter "Scarlet" little more than a ruse used by the hounds to make it seem like they have readers and posters when it's really just them playing under different names.
April 20, 2005, 3:55:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike
...or maybe all of the posts by these "middle-aged ladies" are actually written by creepy little Jim Gilliam? The language they routinely use doesn't sound very lady-like.
April 20, 2005, 4:20:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


trb
> I'm trying to figure out just who
> this "Donna" is. 
 
No clue. However, it's one of a few things I've wondered for the while I've been reading Newshounds posts. They all do seem to agree with each other and sing each others' praises an awful lot. I doubt they're duplicate accounts because...why bother?
 
However, they've provide support for many of their arguments, like banning J$, by telling me something to the effect of "a lot of our users wanted him banned." If providing a body of yes-men is important for statistical purposes, it would make sense.
 
--trb
April 20, 2005, 10:42:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Brian Levin
Dear Donna:
 
With all due respect your headline is a cheap shot that totally distorts the real focus of the intelligent discussion that was taking place on the subject, as my main points were not either in total praise of the Patriot Act or Bill O'Reilly. Your audience would have been far better served by the posting of the actual transcript, rather than a lengthy summary.
 
That being said your headline failed to put my "God, Bless Bill O'Reilly" statement in the context that it was stated. When few other media venues had the inclination to fully research and then cover the story of Dr. Al Arian in depth, he was on top of it. I was complimenting his pioneering coverage of a major national story, NOT every controversial opinion of his (some of which I agree with, and some of which I don't). Al Arian is allegedly the American head of Palestinian Islamic Jihad a terrorist group (according to our State Dept.) that killed the following people (partial list) according to the ICT:
 
October 9, 1993 - Dror Forer and Aran Bachar were murdered by terrorists in Wadi Kelt in the Judea Desert. The Popular Front and the Islamic Jihad 'Al-Aqsa Squads' each publicly claimed responsibility.
 
November 17, 1993 - Sgt. 1st Cl. Chaim Darina, age 37, was stabbed by Gazan terrorist while seated at the cafeteria at the Nahal Oz road block at the entrance to the Gaza Strip. The perpetrator was apprehended. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the murder.
 
December 5, 1993 - David Mashrati, a reserve soldier, was shot and killed by a terrorist attempting to board a bus on route 641 at the Holon junction. The Islamic Jihad Shqaqi group claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
February 9, 1994 - Ilan Sudri, a taxi driver, was kidnapped and murdered while returning home from work. The Islamic Jihad Shqaqi group sent a message to the news agencies claiming responsibility for the murder.
 
November 11, 1994 - Capt. Yehazkel Sapir, 36, of Kfar Sava; Lt. Yotam Rahat, 31, of Tel-Aviv; and Capt. Elad Dror, 24, of Kibbutz Nachson were killed at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip when a Palestinian riding a bicycle detonated explosives strapped to his body. Islamic Jihad said it carried out the attack to avenge the car bomb killing of Islamic Jihad leader Hani Abed on November 2.
 
January 22, 1995 - Two consecutive bombs exploded at the Beit Lid junction near Netanya, killing 18 soldiers and one civilian. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
April 9, 1995: 
Staff-Sgt. Yuval Regev, 20, of Holon; 
Staff-Sgt. Meir Scheinwald, 20, of Safed; 
Sgt. Itai Diener, 19, of Rishon Lezion; 
Sgt. Zvi Narbat, 19, of Rishon Lezion; 
Sgt. Netta Sufrin, 20, of Rishon Lezion; 
Cpl. Tal Nir, 19, of Kibbutz Miflasim;
 
Sgt. Avraham Arditi, 19, of Jerusalem; and Alisa Flatow, 20, of the United States were killed when a bus was hit by an explosives-laden van near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad claimed res
April 20, 2005, 10:43:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Brian Levin
claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
February 9, 1994 - Ilan Sudri, a taxi driver, was kidnapped and murdered while returning home from work. The Islamic Jihad Shqaqi group sent a message to the news agencies claiming responsibility for the murder.
 
November 11, 1994 - Capt. Yehazkel Sapir, 36, of Kfar Sava; Lt. Yotam Rahat, 31, of Tel-Aviv; and Capt. Elad Dror, 24, of Kibbutz Nachson were killed at the Netzarim junction in the Gaza Strip when a Palestinian riding a bicycle detonated explosives strapped to his body. Islamic Jihad said it carried out the attack to avenge the car bomb killing of Islamic Jihad leader Hani Abed on November 2.
 
January 22, 1995 - Two consecutive bombs exploded at the Beit Lid junction near Netanya, killing 18 soldiers and one civilian. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
April 9, 1995: 
Staff-Sgt. Yuval Regev, 20, of Holon; 
Staff-Sgt. Meir Scheinwald, 20, of Safed; 
Sgt. Itai Diener, 19, of Rishon Lezion; 
Sgt. Zvi Narbat, 19, of Rishon Lezion; 
Sgt. Netta Sufrin, 20, of Rishon Lezion; 
Cpl. Tal Nir, 19, of Kibbutz Miflasim;
 
Sgt. Avraham Arditi, 19, of Jerusalem; and Alisa Flatow, 20, of the United States were killed when a bus was hit by an explosives-laden van near Kfar Darom in the Gaza Strip. The Islamic Jihad claimed responsibility for the attack.
 
March 4, 1996 - Outside Dizengoff Center in Tel-Aviv, a suicide bomber detonated a 20-kilogram nail bomb, killing 13 (12 civilians and 1 soldier): Bat-Hen Shahak, 15, of Tel Mond; Hadas Dror, 15, of Tel Mond; Kobi Zaharon, 13, of Tel Aviv; Inbar Atiya, 21, of Ramat-Efal; Dan Tversky, 58, of Tel Aviv; Dana Gutman, 14, of Moshav Mishmeret; Yovav Levy, 13, of Tel Aviv; Leah Mizrahi, 60, of Tel Aviv; Tali Gordon, 24, of Givatayim; Rahel Sela, 82, of Tel Aviv; Sylvia Bernstein, 73, of Hod Hasharon; Gail Belkin, 48, of Herzliya; St.-Sgt. Assaf Wachs, 21, of Holon.
 
For O'Reilly's part in exposing this alleged terror network HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, I gladly stand by my statement. I wish you were half as concerned with the exposing terrorists, as you are in trying to tar popular TV personalities. I have complimented NY Times reporters on FNC and elsewhere without being accussed of endorsing their editorial page.
 
Furthermore, "Remembering Oklahoma City" can include among other things, an analysis of the belief systems that spawned such a tragedy, so we can guard against it in the future. It just seems you are grabbing at straws on that one.
 
Your terse advice on pursuing other venues than FNC is also misplaced. In March and April if you cared to look, I was in the NYT, WP, NBC, ABC, AP, Boston Globe, NPR stations, and Knight Ridder among others). I am happy to compliment good journalism whether the reporter shares my political views or not. Why is it that your mistaken belief that I only use one venue to air my views detracts from my credibility, but your laser focus on criticising FNC leaves your cred
April 20, 2005, 10:44:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Dr Levin, we are pleased and honored that you have posted your comments here. We have published a new article that includes all of your exchanges with the newshounds regarding this appearance, since the hounds have a habit of deleting messages that they find inconvenient. You are not the first guest on FNC to be smeared and misrepresented by the newshounds, but few have had the courage to take them on as you have. Our hat is off to you!
April 20, 2005, 10:49:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


john t
WOW! You know it's something that Mr. Levin wrote the exact thing over here that he did over at the Newshounds before posting over here. But one thing he always finished his post at the Newshounds with Prof.Brian Levin. OH MY GOD! Somebody couldn't have brought the comment over here from the Newshound and posted it could they Mickey. Then make Dollar look stupid talking to his imaginary friend.
April 22, 2005, 8:50:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


john t
I forgot to add. Why would he address Donna over here?
April 22, 2005, 8:52:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Why don't you ask him? I'll bet he'll answer your emails.
April 22, 2005, 9:06:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


john t
Foolish Dollar Foolish.
April 22, 2005, 10:33:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I didn't think you'd want to ask him. Guess I was right.
April 22, 2005, 10:42:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


john t
No need to. It's all right there in black and white.
April 22, 2005, 11:56:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply