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Tuesday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Gawker's war on Fox: now it's getting personal.

Q&A: Greta van Susteren.

Walt Mossberg joins FBN, via a "loophole".

CNN fudging rating numbers? Greta calls "cheating"!

Monday's numbers (Greta brags). Weekend numbers. Friday's numbers.

FNC signs Howard Wolfson; Reax: Jossip, New York Observer, F&F video.

Hotline quotes.

Larry King: Square.

Obama oration plans.

Bill O'Reilly smacks The New York Times: analysis, Gawker's take.

J$P poll results.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.

olby sucks
Wasn't wolfson a former countdown to no ratings regular before the man with not a shred of loyalty (olbermann) jumped on barrys band wagon?
July 8, 2008, 1:52:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I was happy to see O'Reilly get into the fray with the NYT. Excellent writeup at ICN.
July 8, 2008, 7:15:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Bill got it right. The NYT caricatures people both in word and image, both in the news pages and on the editorial page, and their whining smacks of hypocrisy.
For any journalist to complain about FNC's tactics is a joke. The liberal MSM has been playing hardball with conservatives since time began and now that there is a force going the other direction, making things fairer, "foul" is called. Too bad.
One thing is for sure, it promotes the image of FNC as unlike the far left echo chamber that is The Times, MSNBC and most of the rest of the MSM, and that can only boost ratings. The media is actually giving bad ol' Fox some free advertising and making themselves look superficial at the same time.
July 8, 2008, 8:33:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply

"'I thought that Fox’s coverage during the primary was comprehensive and fair and evenhanded,' Mr. Wolfson said Monday in a telephone interview from Liverpool, England, where he was vacationing. 'It’s a huge audience, and it is important to have a strong, progressive voice on the network.'"
I wonder if the same can be said of MSNBC, but replace progressive with conservative?
July 8, 2008, 8:41:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
Lanny Davis now Howard Wolfson, who's next Terry Mcauliffe. What in the wide wide world of sports is going on here?
July 8, 2008, 9:33:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On the poll, I voted "artful wit when Olbermann does it".  
That MUST be the prevailing thought since between WPITW and Puppet Theater, he seems to have gotten away with that sort of thing for years.
July 8, 2008, 9:40:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply

By the way, Johnny, Gawker has an interesting rebuttal to O'Reilly's bit on his NYT's caricature. They say that O'Reilly is wrong, the art work was not a caricature in the way that caricature is defined. Gawker argues that it's how O'Reilly REALLY looks on camera... :D
July 8, 2008, 9:53:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Just caught a few minutes of Fox and friends yesterday morn.As they were discussing Sen Obama's plans to deliver his acceptance speech to a stadium audience,Mr Doocy brought up the point that,in an open venue,McCain supporters might sneak in and raise a fuss.Of course,he continued,you would never see that on the MSM,because they would never put their cameras on McCain supporters.I guess he was unaware of the plan for pooled coverage.
"ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN and Fox News Channel held a conference call to discuss how it affects their carefully considered plans to pool camera coverage of the event."
So if you watch the event and don't see Mccain supporters waving signs,is it because it was MSNBC's turn to hold the camera?
July 8, 2008, 11:39:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Sorry to punch a hole in your attack piece, but coverage doesn't stop with the pool. While all the channels get a pool feed of the main goings on, each channel also has its own cameras there: to show their own commentators, reporters, reaction shots that they deem interesting, etc
So the premise of your point is incorrect. To put it another way, Doocy knew what he was talking about, and you did not. But hey, nvh, we still love ya! After all you can't hit a home run every time you're at bat.
July 8, 2008, 11:55:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
David, what in the Wide World of Sports is wrong with FNC signing more liberal contributors? I find Lanny extremely frustrating (diplomatic legalese and spin will do that to me), but I'm glad he's on a winning team.
July 8, 2008, 12:25:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Wasn't looking for a homer,just a pop fly so I could ham it up on my way to first.After all,it's just a pick-up game.
But as to Mr Doocy's point,do you think the MSM would refuse to show McCain signs?And perhaps more importantly,would Fox overemphasize their presence.I recall a State of the Union address where Fox managed to catch Sen Clinton yawning.That must have taken a lot of camera time waiting.
July 8, 2008, 12:55:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

NVH - as I recall, during a SOTU speech, there are a limited number of cameras set up in the House meeting chamber and they are shared by all the nets. Each network does not have its own set of cameras in there.
July 8, 2008, 1:05:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> do you think the MSM would refuse to show McCain signs?
Nah. I didn't take that comment literally.
July 8, 2008, 1:06:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar | Homepage | 07.08.08 - 1:11 pm |  
"Nah. I didn't take that comment literally."
Then how do you take Mr Doocy?
But speaking of "literally",you took my 11:44 post as an "attack piece"?Good heavens,I had the (mis)fortune of seeing just 3 or 4 minutes of F&F, then the next day I see a piece with the pooled cameras idea,and it struck me as rather funny,picturing cameramen from the various networks squabling over whether to show the McCain supporters.
July 8, 2008, 1:16:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
Mike, it's the Clinton team and it may be the alternative to the BHO MSNBC team. It's just somewhat odd that a guy like Wolfson who bashed FoxNews for years now signs on to the team. It is not about liberal or conservative to me. Just some irony at work here.
July 8, 2008, 1:17:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> you took my 11:44 post as an "attack piece"?
It must have been a moment of temporary insanity on my part. I can't imagine why anyone would interpret your posts as critical of Fox News. Please accept my apology.
July 8, 2008, 1:19:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Critical,yes.Attack piece?? My heavens,doesn't that sound at all funny to you? Mr Doocy,in what to me seemed an earnest statement,says that if Mccain supporters get into the stadium,and if they wave signs,the MSM won't show it.And then I read that Fox will be pooling camera coverage with other networks.Well,there is no accounting for taste.
July 8, 2008, 1:27:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I was at the beach for a few hours, but I've been back home for an hour now.
Wolfson was critical of FNC last year because he and the Clinton campaign were pandering to the Fox-hating far-left. It didn't work. I hated Howard's guts during that time, but I've slowly come around on him in recent weeks.
July 8, 2008, 6:44:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I see BOR is still solidly beating Olbermann in the ratings, in the prime demo and in the overall. Congrats to BOR, his crew, and FNC.
July 8, 2008, 6:45:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Wow, Johnny! FNC's PR team really must be a cut-off-their-nose-to-spite-their-face bunch of folks.
According to Gawker, they don't even have the finesse it takes to make Shep Smith the channel's Great Gay Hope!...
July 8, 2008, 6:54:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

That stupid, idiotic (insert other insult here) Gawker article is so ridiculous that it doesn't even deserve any more of my time to comment on it. So, I won't.
July 8, 2008, 7:21:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

DeeKay, the piece of advice from Gawker was tongue-in-cheek (since Gawker likes puns...), based upon the ever so deep and brilliant sort of (non)reasoning that assumes that if FNC did have an openly gay anchor, the hicks in the hinterlands would be at FNC headquarters with burning crosses and nooses.
July 8, 2008, 7:32:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
New York City? Get out the rope!
/reference salsa commercial
July 8, 2008, 8:27:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The Factor
Gawker is pretty pathetic. Using Sheppard Smith's southern accent to smear him is pretty low. I don't think anyone cares or wants to know if Smith is gay. No one really cares if Anderson Cooper is gay except for gays who are attracted to him. People don't care what they do in the bedroom as long as they don't bring it in front of the camera.
July 8, 2008, 9:35:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Zone Daiatlas
Gawker a left wing hate site like Daily Kos and the Democratic Undeground that mocks and celebrates deaths of people that they don’t agree politically like Conseratives and Republicans and then call it satire.
July 8, 2008, 10:47:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

What is this obsession so many leftists have with who is gay or not gay out or not out? Some of them seem to be fixated on it.
Until reading the Gawker article Smith's sexuality or even lack thereof did not cross my mind. I can't see who's business it is besides him, those in personal/familial relationships with him or those he wants to discuss it with? These folk might have happier lives if they quit devoting so much time and effort to other people's sexuality and tend to their own.
July 9, 2008, 1:17:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
Grammie: Lefties fail in any debate of ideas.. instead they seek to destroy the idea-holder.
July 9, 2008, 1:21:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply