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Tuesday Links and Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Video: MSNBC cat fight?

Huckabee: high-risk venture?

Miles O'Brien resurfaces.

CNN setbacks, merger prospects.

Q&A: Rupert's Brain.

Hotline after dark.

First Santelli, now Cramer.

Weekend numbers: Rush. Weekly ranker.

Today's not-Maddow profile.

Wall? What wall?

Railroad wrangle.

Call for Coop.

Vote: Sanchez v Brown.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Grammie
From: Wall? What Wall?
 
"And Chris Matthews, once a top aide to House Speaker “Tip” O’Neill, is now the powerhouse of MSNBC’s evening line-up"
 
Ouch! I can feel KO's pain from here.
March 3, 2009, 2:34:24 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Re: Wall? What Wall?
 
The resumes of many a prominent journalist include tenure as a staffer to some Democratic pol.
 
In and of itself, it is not evidence that these journalists are unable to be objective.  
 
However, how the writer of this piece can suggest a non-journalist commentator-analyst (there, simply because of experience or expertise) like Karl Rove, carries the same risk is beyond me.  
 
Everyone is aware of Rove's point of reference, and if by chance someone is not, it is plainly stated at each appearance that he was a key figure in the Bush Administration.
 
When Time Magazine reporter-cum-VP-staffer, Jay Carney, was savaging Iraq war policy on Hardball and in Time Magazine, I had no idea that he is, as he puts it, "from that side of the aisle".
 
Again, one can be politically aligned and be objective, but unlike Karl Rove, Jay Carney (and Tim Russert...etc) came with no warning label (not that they should).  
 
Don't lump a KNOWN QUANTITY non-journalist commentator/analyst in with the other dynamic, it's not an accurate comparison.  
 
If there is anything that would suggest any institutional bias from there being so many politically aligned journalists, it's the compunction journalism critics feel in that they MUST default to an FNC example (no matter how tenuous) in order to protect their own bonafides within the industry.
March 3, 2009, 6:40:37 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
So Rush's speech was a ratings draw, huh?
 
This makes him even more of a target to the media. You think he's been pilloried so far...
March 3, 2009, 10:49:29 AM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Thabks for the Rush ratings.
 
How did you know I wanted to see them ASAP.
 
That's what makes you so special and charming. You always know the exact right thing to do for the ladies.
March 3, 2009, 10:53:04 AM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
CNN merger prospects?
 
So, if they can't beat FNC by themselves they'll see if a gang can do the jon.
 
Oh wait MSBS has already tried that. That worked well, didn't it? :lol:
March 3, 2009, 11:11:02 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, good, Grammie, now you can be Johnny's slutty groupie, according to his enlightened...progressive...liberal... feminist critics.
 
I'm going to move on to higher targets via emailing mash notes to my oppressor/patriarch Rush Limbaugh.  
March 3, 2009, 11:43:11 AM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Cecelia, I will wear the badge with honor.
 
I'm so glad that you have taken this well so we can remain friends.
March 3, 2009, 12:11:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


chris
over at the NH one of the commenters complained that fox aired rush again-i guess cnn is also evil for airing it
 
it also shows msnbc bias-they never aired it!!
 
i'm not surprised that rush ratings are good-we need dissenting viewpoints more now than ever
March 3, 2009, 12:37:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizzel
"I'm going to move on to higher targets via emailing mash notes to my oppressor/patriarch Rush Limbaugh. "
 
Have to to admit, it was amusing watching Steele back pedal like crazy once his boss was riled up.
March 3, 2009, 12:50:14 PM EST – Like – Reply


cee
Almost 5 million combined total viewers for CNN/FNC tuned into listen to Limbaugh, compared to about 375K for lonely ol' MSNBC....I wonder if the advertisers for those informative TRUE CRIME mockumentaries are questioning NBC NEWS editorial decisions.
 
I think the cost of a live feed from CPAC would be nominal. Ideology once again trumps logic, fairness and journalistic wisdom at NBC NEWS.
March 3, 2009, 1:37:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
Funny how the Fox Haters no longer believe that dissent is good for America.
March 3, 2009, 2:00:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ashley
"I'm going to move on to higher targets via emailing mash notes to my oppressor/patriarch Rush Limbaugh. "
 
Have to to admit, it was amusing watching Steele back pedal like crazy once his boss was riled up.
Shizzel | 03.03.09 - 12:55 pm | #  
 
Who are you quoting?
March 3, 2009, 2:06:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


iBlog
Speaking of media walls, it seems to have gone unnoticed that the white house press secretary directly ripped the Limbsugh "doubles down" analysis and quote directly from Huffington Post. This is interesting b/c normally you hear complaints that media outlets (yes HuffPo is unfortunately a media outlet, they have WH press credentials) are parroting Dem (msnbc) or repub(fox) talking points and using those talking points to set the days news programming. Yet, in this case it appears the Obama administration is parroting blog comments and relying on the blogs to set the agenda. Doesn't that seem kind of pathetic?
March 3, 2009, 2:56:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Have to to admit, it was amusing watching Steele back pedal like crazy once his boss was riled up.
Shizzel | 03.03.09 - 12:55 pm | #  
 
Rush should enjoy it while it lasts. After the pols are in office, party heads and those same politicians need not be so attentive.
 
Just ask Daily Kos and Moveon.org...
March 3, 2009, 3:13:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Let's all be careful not to veer too far from the topic of cable news.
March 3, 2009, 3:15:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
"Yet, in this case it appears the Obama administration is parroting blog comments and relying on the blogs to set the agenda. Doesn't that seem kind of pathetic?
iBlog | 03.03.09 - 3:01 pm | #"
 
I take it you have never seen Countdown With Keith Olbermann.
March 3, 2009, 4:13:30 PM EST – Like – Reply


Shizzel
"Rush should enjoy it while it lasts. After the pols are in office, party heads and those same politicians need not be so attentive.
 
Just ask Daily Kos and Moveon.org... "
 
I have a (slightly) different take on the power both Rush and Kos posses. Since neither are cable news though, I'll save it for an appropriate time.
March 3, 2009, 4:16:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


vstol
Grammie,
 
Though your reference to CD w/KO is valid for rip n' read, iBlog makes a salient point that the WH spokesman seems to be parroting blueblog media outlets reporting on Limbaugh.  
 
The "Wall. What wall?" article described the current seperation of press and state as more of a chain link fence with a wide gate than a wall. (For some reason I'm no longer able to access thewrap.com)  
 
Cecelia @ 6:45 am made some excellent points regarding disclosure of commentators, reporters and show hosts. Making excellent points @ 6:45 am is not an arrow in my quiver.
 
What I wonder about is the two-way channel of talking points back and forth through the chain link fence between the White House on one side and the liberal reporters on the other side in every form of media, with cable news and blueblogs being the primary producers and consumers.
 
ChickenEgg???
March 3, 2009, 5:00:13 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Thanks, vstol. I just reread the pertinent comments (b/c when you speak I at least reconsider) and I imisinterpreted iBlog's comment.
 
Sorry, iBlog.
March 3, 2009, 5:46:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Observer Dan
I learned this today. Jane Velez-Mitchell is a recovering alcoholic, animal activist, a vegan, and a lesbian.
What do she and Maddow have in common? Not much, I'd guess. Velez-Mitchell strikes me as someone who would problably kick Keith Olbermann in the hind end, given the chance. Oh yeah, she is also better looking.  
Is Lilf a word? Oh oh.
March 3, 2009, 5:53:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


iBlog
Sorry, it was not my intention to be off topic. I'm trying to say that in terms of "the wall" the larger issue is the increasing role blogs now play in setting the cable news agenda. More and more shows have "twitter" segments and show contributors are often identified by the blog they post on- Lawrence O'Donnell & Ariana Huff come to mind. It is not entirely clear if they are analysts or reporters but what is clear is that they are all over cable news, all of the time. Perhaps the WH has picked up on the fact that blog posts = face time on cable news.  
 
One other point, is Andrea Mitchell the prime example of a cabler that blurs the line or stradles the wall? To begin with, I can't tell if she's an analyst, commentator or anchor- it changes every 10 minutes. However, nobody ever seems to be concerned with the fact that her husband (Greenspan) is a central figure in the current economic mess that happens to be at the center of the political debate. I think Greeny was appt'd by a republican, but let's be honest, personal reputation and saving face comes before party.
March 3, 2009, 7:48:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Vstol,
 
Thanks for the compliment about my post, but really the only point I was trying to make is about the way media commentators just HAVE to mention FNC whenever they are critiquing ANY other media entity.
 
I swear, if they were doing a piece on the topic of Larry King wearing awful suspenders, they'd feel that they must throw in some similar comment about an FNC staffer's tacky appearance "that time" in order to protect their credibility . Not MSNBC or NBC or CBS...only FNC will do to prove that you aren't one of those crazy conservative media haters. It must be done no matter how tenuous the comparison.
 
The reflexive need media critics feel in having to cover their butts by co-blasting FNC whenever they are critiquing ANY other part of the media, is certainly evidence of some sort of institutional bias and shows how politicized even the job of media guardian has become.
 
Imagine plying your trade in a field where whenever you do your job by holding some media entity to certain standards, you must then turn around and make a point of busting FNC too, in order to make it clear that you aren't merely some media-criticizing "rightwinger" whose opinion should be quickly discounted...
 
It must be exhausting to be a liberal. They have more litmus tests than the CDC.
March 3, 2009, 9:52:54 PM EST – Like – Reply