1/6/09 1:05 PM

Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Wednesday's numbers: FNC 9 million viewers! History-making! Tuesday's numbers. Fox beats all three broadcast nets both days!

David Gregory's tantrum.

CNN photo flap.

Profile: Chris Wallace.

Q&A: Greta van Susteren, Campbell Brown. Video Q&A: Joe and Mika.

Mystery swirls: who was the leaker?

Maddow's purge? The good cop?

Matthews speaks of Olbermann. Meet the Fockers? Enter the circus.

Cablers react to Sarah. Hotline quotes. Wolf's whiplash?

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news issues in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




cee
Olbermann used a HARRY POTTER character in describing Sarah Palin?
 
Ok, now that's rich. The level of sophistication that avenue of discussion reaches must make his fellow Obama sycophants proud. HARRY POTTER?
 
I hope there's a screen grab here or at OW in the near future...I have got to see Todd's body language.
September 4, 2008, 7:38:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Re: Alleged "Leak" of Murphy/Noonan Gaffe
 
How very predictable. Talking Points-style predictable. Rather than address the substance of what is said, go to the "Who Leaked?" question. Been there, done that. A tiresome diversion, an oft-repeated denial. Getting very, very old.
September 4, 2008, 7:38:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, let's address the substance.
 
Noonan likes Palin but feels she was essentially a "narrative" choice by McCain rather than the most pragmatic choice he could have made, when pragmatics are what Republicans do best.
 
Noonan, says she didn't say "it's over" in the context that Palin killed McCain's campaign but in the context of saying that the broad narrative political move is passe in a post 9/11 world. (An indictment of Obama, btw...)
 
Noonan goes on to say that she has no idea how that portion of the conversation didn't make it into the clip.
 
Now can we talk about how the clip got leaked to opposition sources in the first place?
September 4, 2008, 9:59:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
cee | Homepage | 09.04.08 - 7:43 am | #
 
Amazing, and his NBC bosses just lap it up. Olbermann is simply an incompetent clown posing as a newsman. So sad what NBC News has come to.
September 4, 2008, 10:05:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
Mark | 09.04.08 - 7:43 am | #
 
So Mark, you've decided that we are not permitted to ask "Who leaked" because its an old question (been there, done that). Yawn.
 
As far as what you claim is "diversion", I think you are wrong. If you are trying to make something out of what Peggy Noonan said, go right ahead. I don't think anyone on the right really cares and no one is trying to divert anything. Two days ago, no one from the left frankly knew or cared who she is, now because of the tape, they are trying to make out as if she's suddenly the center and foundation of the republican party.
 
I like Noonan, have heard her explanation for what was said, and accepted it.
September 4, 2008, 10:13:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
Mark, what substance? There was no real substance (other than is Chuck Todd as impartial as some would us to believe)... it was three people having an off-camera talk.
 
This was not a leaked WH memo, or something that needs a lot of analysis. It was some people who work for MSNBC/NBC, acting totally predictably for MSNBC/NBC (weak Republicans, posing as true Conservatives). And the "points" they brought up, are already being discussed around the web, and on the chat shows.
 
So what else is there? Oh yes, to find out who leaked the information. Who got their hands on it so quickly, tha they were able to violate the trust and confidence of the featured talent, and put it up on the web. Judging on the reaction to the story (which has almost uniformly been, "Even Republicans, blah-blah-blah" aka, another McCain/Palin attack) whomever put this out accomplished what they set out to do. Why shouldn't we know who the mystery man/woman was? If they felt this was important for us to see... shouldn't they tell us why?
September 4, 2008, 10:29:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
For what it's worth, Cee, I thought the Harry Potter reference was weak and ineffective, and I am thankful you recalled and raised this. I shouldn't take it as some metaphor for or some profound symbol of Obama supporters, however. Your initial point was good, your follow up was over-blown, as usual, based upon your erroneous belief that Obama supporters (which I assume you are using as a collective for the Left you so revel in belittling and deriding) feel the same allegiance to Olbermann that the Right feels for certain FNC and other media personalities. Ratings don't bear out your contention, and I am sure Johnny can give you a full analysis of the Pew Poll to back that up.
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More to the point, Cecelia and Ashley, you are certainly permitted to raise the leak issue, ad nauseum, if you wish. In light of all the leak issues we have addressed during the last several years, you'll just have to indulge me if the leak threshold is rather low. Leak questions tend to go nowhere, for which we have ample evidence.
 
Once the leak question is raised, Cecelia, spin to your heart's content. That too, and unfortunately, has become a tiresome part of our political and social lives (but one usually uncharacteristic of you in your usual intellectual but brutal honesty). But, it has become institutionalized by people on all sides of every issue. More's the pity. Who would have ever expected Blood, Sweat and Tears to be 21st century prophets?
 
Lastly, Ashley, I think you have reached an erroneous conclusion as to Noonan. Her writing is widely read and respected by the Left, as you like to use that term (far more than even the writings of David Brooks). Her articles are even awaited and anticipated. I shouldn't be surprised to find out that she is actually more widely read and respect by the Left than the by the Right, if I may. I think many on the Left see her as a coherent, compassionate voice from the Right who widely understands the human condition and the state of the nation. I personally find her appearances on television less enjoyable and useful. She has speaking mannerisms which I find a bit annoying, although the far more leftist female members of my family will stop whatever they are doing to hang onto her every spoke words. But, perhaps, we on the Left, as you might say, are far more into the written words, and in that genre, she has replaced many of her predecessors as the sound voice of the Right.
September 4, 2008, 10:50:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Mark,
 
It's interesting that you failed to address one iota of the summation I made of Noonan's words, other than to declare that I'm "spinning".  
 
You're most welcome to do that as we discuss how the video got from MSNBC to Youtube.
 
And speaking of spin, let me add that you are here, you've often assured us, because you are interested in the dynamics of cable news as it affects the culture...the body politic. You've often chided me about getting away from cable news. Shouldn't this be a matter that you're interested in as well?  
 
I'll add that in the near daily posts you write concerning the bias of FNC, I have never heard you make the case that bias from a television news channel should be viewed in the same context as one would view political maneuverings by politicians.
 
I don't need to tell you that you're certainly free in my book comment upon the gist of Noonan's remarks, to refute my "spin" of them, and to wax eloquent on Noonan's voice, mannerisms, hypocrisy, etc. Johnny runs this blog, not the conservative posters here.
 
So fire away and if someone's interested they'll take you up on your post. That's certainly has been the case with the posts you've written so far on the subject. Though you've yet to address some of THAT content...
September 4, 2008, 11:21:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I think, INB, I used the generic and rather non-descriptive word "amazing" to describe the conversation when I first heard it. While there is some substance, a candid expression of random thoughts by two (2) long-term party operatives, I don't think this really breaks any new ground, either. It is an amusment, a curiosity.
 
However, Ms. Noonan felt it necessary to write an explanation, and we do seem to have a number of people with rightist tendencies trying to explain it all away. I suppose they see far more substance to it than I do, which is, in itself, even more of an amusement, a curiosity.
 
As you suggest, however, little real substance in my view.
September 4, 2008, 11:24:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
In a post undergoing moderation, which may or may not appear, I noted to INB that I found little susbtance to any of this. An amusement or curiosity I believe I said.
 
Ms. Noonan's explanation is available in todays WSJ, here:
 
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122044753790594947.html?mod=todays_columnists,
 
and I believe her to be a person of impeccable integrity. Of course, I accept this.
 
I think this topic is nearing its exhaustion point, but for two (2) factors:
 
We all ought to assume that everything we say or do is likely to be captured by someone, if not through a technoligical click, then through the magnificience of technology itself.
 
Even very bright professionals, like Ms. Noona, Murphy and Chucky T, routinely forget this.
September 4, 2008, 11:31:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, I'm sure on staff reporters and both contracted and non-contractual pundits would be most surprised to know that it's their fault if their station leaks their embarrassing (and perhaps edited) gaffes to internet blogs.
September 4, 2008, 12:03:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Here's a change of subject:
 
Why can't Keith Olbermann get his hefty anchorman butt out of the NBC building in New York, and appear in a venue like Morning Joe -- an ad lib casual off-the-cuff setting with politically "mixed" guests?
September 4, 2008, 12:15:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Argumentative.
September 4, 2008, 12:52:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


tess
Poor poor Brian. Classy Classy Joe Biden.
September 4, 2008, 2:37:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
1. I believe Peggy Noonan.
 
2. FoxNews should have shown Rommney's speech. I had to go somewhere else to hear the speech.
September 4, 2008, 4:17:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
NBC NEWS, which was rightly derided last night with chants during Sarah Palin's great speech, seems to be falling apart before our eyes.
 
From Andrea Mitchell's dour and sour coverage of Palin's accomplishments ....  
 
to Olbermann's banishment to NYC because he was not given his mob style protection from all those right-wingers ....
 
to Chuck Todd's open mic moment showing him as the church of Obama member he is ....  
 
to Piggy's (Matthews) self described flakiness ...
 
to Joe's snarky hit on Olbermann's editorial techniques....
 
to neophyte broadcaster Maddow's Olbermann-ego moment purging all of those lowly grunts she no longer has use for ....  
 
Poor Brian Williams.
 
But now the GOOD NEWS....NBC NEWS had a better night in ratings than it did with boring Grandpa Biden last week, and almost repeated the ratings draw it had with Obama's extravaganza of pretty lights, pyrotechnics and Nuremburg-like precision!
September 4, 2008, 4:25:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
You'd never get an argument from me about Biden, Tess, a true gentlemen, classy to his core.
 
But, Brian is not really all that bad. I would never call him bright, when the subject strays from sports, but he has a pleasant enough demeanor, and he generally treats people well. True, in the Biden interview, he did get that doe in a highlight look when he was taken off script, and he did completely lose control of the interview, but I still think he did a (barely) passable job. There are many, many worse than Brian in cable news and at FNC.
September 4, 2008, 4:40:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Hey, J$...buss about the O'Reilly interview is starting and over THE SURGE!
 
"'I think that the surge has succeeded in ways that nobody anticipated,' Obama said while refusing to retract his initial opposition to the surge. 'I’ve already said it’s succeeded beyond our wildest dreams.'"
 
http://tinyurl.com/6edajx
 
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Oh my...O'Reilly got it...good for him...a major news story breaking on his show when Obama FINALLY admits the surge was a beefit and not a negative to the Iraqi people, like he had predicted.
 
Congrats Bill!
September 4, 2008, 5:05:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Congratulations to FOX! It's rare that a cable news network beats any broadcast network, but to beat all three (3) is just amazing. And, these numbers don't include the thousands, upon thousands of viewers in public waiting and traffic areas like airports, hospitals, hotel lobbies.
 
This isn't quite the same thing as cable news serves up day, after day, after day, is it? This is one of the most important events in the lives of many of the people in this country, and the fact that they TRUSTED FOX in such phenomenal numbers says a great deal.
September 4, 2008, 5:21:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
A gentlemen would give attribution, Johnny. I always do.
 
I might have left out the airports and hotel lobbies, however. As you know I travel a great deal, and I have yet to come across FNC in an airport or a hotel lobby. Of course, I have never flown out of nor overnighted in Tater, Alabama, or Flatulence, Alaska.
 
Nonetheless, I am pleased, but not surprised for you, and I congratulate FNC.
 
Another act of gentlemanship, unreciprocated, I am sure ....
September 4, 2008, 5:40:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Classy Classy Joe Biden.
tess | 09.04.08 - 2:42 pm | #  
 
That's very debatable, with proof to the contrary. That would be of topic, though.  
 
Congrats to Fox and Palin for kickin' butt and showin' em how it's done! With feeling!
September 4, 2008, 5:43:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> A gentlemen would give attribution, Johnny. I always do.
 
I guess I forgot. Sorry.
September 4, 2008, 5:54:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Not a problem, Johnny. You are most welcome.
 
And, Jeff, it is always acceptable to be "of" topic. I hope you try it some time. You might enjoy it.
September 4, 2008, 6:00:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Don't worry about it, Johnny.
 
We knew that attribution.  
 
A graceful raising of the spoon to his lips so that he must chew upon his own words is plenty attribution.
 
We'll pretend for him that the spoon is silver and that we care that he doesn't choke.
September 4, 2008, 6:29:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Guest
A message has been sent to CNN and MSNBC in no uncertain terms, there is only one leader and "if you are not the lead dog, the view never changes".
 
Do you all think that BHO is on The Factor tonight because he appreciates FoxNews? No, he is on because their ratings ROCK! BTW, his appearance will do little to boost his campaign.
 
Just wait till the regular news cycle returns on Monday, that's why our NH dogs are in hiding, they can't stand the truth!
 


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September 4, 2008, 6:47:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
This isn't quite the same thing as cable news serves up day, after day, after day, is it? This is one of the most important events in the lives of many of the people in this country, and the fact that they TRUSTED FOX in such phenomenal numbers says a great deal.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 09.04.08 - 5:26 pm | #  
 
J$ - I've been an FNC fan since day 1. Over the years, I've been astounded by the attacks from the left, often making false charges against FNC which, in fact, apply to the networks they defend. I've been a regular visitor to J$P since you posted the video of Omarosa going off on Linda Vester and the old Dayside show which was live in front of a small audience. (I hope I got her name and show right). Regardless, there is no doubt in my mind that FNC owes a portion of its success to you, because no outsider has done such a tremendous job of debunking the lies from the left about FNC. As a Fox fan, I am grateful!
September 4, 2008, 7:27:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
In the interest of full disclosure, there is GE stock in my portfolio, as there is in the portfolio of many Americans, and as a GE stockholder, I can assure you that I am pleased the 1748, 1834 and 1852 Hours posters are FNC fans and not regular (MS)NBC viewers (although Cecelia obviously watches Joe & Rachel). If these "nattering neybobs of negativity"* were regular viewers I should have to insist upon program changes. FNC is a good place for them to roost. Do neybobs roost, crouch, amass? Wallow?
 
*Attribution: Spiro T. Agnew, VP of the United States (R).
September 4, 2008, 7:29:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Ashley, thank you. That was some clip, wasn't it? It still gets viewers regularly. I should probably convert it to youtube, but the quality would take a tremendous hit.
 
Mark, be careful not to attack other posters.
September 4, 2008, 7:36:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Excellent O'Reilly/Obama interview! Both of them were on point. I was surprised Obama could keep pace with BOR's demands for details, something Obama has heretofore avoided. It's the first time I've seen him be so specific, even if he dodged some questions.
September 4, 2008, 9:16:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


KeithO
Hey Johnny, I just noticed that you only average about 1,350 unique visitors to this site. How come you haven't shown more growth?

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September 4, 2008, 10:27:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


James
KeithO | Homepage | 09.04.08 - 10:32 pm | #  
 
At least I can tell this is not the real KO. The real one would never talk to anyone with a different point of view.
September 4, 2008, 10:33:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


James
I noticed KO had to get in a cheap shot after McCain's speech
September 4, 2008, 11:09:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Heeeeeeee's back!
September 4, 2008, 11:14:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
Alan Colmes has been hosting a week-long Destroy Sarah propaganda campaign on his blog.
 
Today he is spreading disinformation which distorts Sarah’s words and protrays her as having the position that she is declaring the Iraq war as a task from God. As if she know’s God’s mind. He is using that false image to protray as a religious exteremist.
 
He is deliberately trying to ruin her reputation.
 
Title: Sarah Palin: Iraq War A “Task From God”
http://www.alan.com/2008/09/04/sarah-palin-iraq-war-a-task-from-god/
 
See the link for the whole article. ths is my comment in it:
 
Hey guess what everyone
 
This whole post is a lie.
 
The whole post is centered around the notion that the Iraq war by the US is being as a task from God.
 
W R O NG
 
Alan chopped off half the quote.
 
Dirty business.
 
Alan’s deceptive version:
 
“Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God,” she said. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God’s plan.”
 
The real version:
 
“Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders, our national leaders, are sending [U.S. soldiers] out on a task that is from God,” she exhorted the congregants. “That’s what we have to make sure that we’re praying for, that there is a plan and that that plan is God’s plan.”
 
I knew something wasn’t right about this… and I was right.
 
When are you people going to have any honor?
September 5, 2008, 1:02:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
KeithO | Homepage | 09.04.08 - 10:32 pm | #  
 
I would love to ask this poster a question. If I had him on the phone, I would say "Since you want to be KeithO, do you also think you are Edward R. Murrow?"
 
Just curious.
September 5, 2008, 3:23:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply


KeithO
Ashley my dear,
 
Most of Countdown's audience does not know who Edward R. Murrow is. BOR's audience on the other hand....
 
J$,
 
Stop screwing with my homepage link. I have every right to put Countdown's page as my homepage.
September 5, 2008, 10:49:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Actually KeithO you have no such right. Sorry about that.
 
Actually it was a technical problem that caused the dropping of your link to Countdown's page. So keep compaining about it and maybe I will screw around with your link.
September 5, 2008, 11:36:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


KeithO
J$,
 
It's not nice to fool with Nother Mature
September 5, 2008, 1:17:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply