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Monday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Friday's numbers.

Chickaboomer: DNC using MSNBC's
upside-down flag?

CNN grill returns.

Georgia: reporting vs propaganda.

Chuck Todd's take-back.

Kurtz: Pew results: "striking". Alan Colmes: Don't ignore 55%.

Palestra partnership profits Fox.

FNC fancies facebook. Cablers seek fountain of youth.

Will MSNBC become "more liberal"?

Profiles: Dagan MacDowell (via Soup Cans), plus more.

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Hot & Not.

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Ashley
When I saw the headline "Be a Cable Pundit for $6", I was sure I had discovered the secret of how K"C"O got his own show.
August 18, 2008, 1:01:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Colmes has an excellent analysis of the PEW poll. I also believe that "democrat" may not always be well represented on the blogs when complaints are made of FOX NEWS. I think those who come to the conclusion of severe rightward bias are not only dems, but the minority far left who connect so well with such characters like Olbermann. Remember who supported the boycott?..... their leaders like the honorable and loyal Edwards. Where the people stand on the political spectrum is usually reflected in their tolerating critical analysis.....FOX NEWS is anathema to the radical left because they do not pull their punches or allow thenselves to be an echochamber, or sychophants for them or their anti-American agenda.
August 18, 2008, 8:34:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Imagine that a body language expert who says that MCCain was more confortable during the bebate with Rev Warner Saturday night, Suprise Suprise , and Doocy says we believeyou. Go Figure.
August 18, 2008, 8:57:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
UU:
 
Doocy and Carlson were in rare form this morning. All upset that Andrea Mitchell had shared the obvious with all, neglecting to mention that Rick Sanchez had confirmed it. There are some personalities at FNC who do try to be fair and balanced, to turn FNC into a legitimate news organization. I hate to see their work go for naught because of the antics of the two clowns.
August 18, 2008, 9:49:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Why would anyone mention that Sanchez, the hit-and-run reporter on another channel, "confirmed" something? I didn't see whatever you are talking about but I'm so tired of your monomaniacal fixation on Doocy and Carlson that I'm declaring them off-topic for the remainder of this thread. And no, I'm not joking.
 
eta: Furthermore, I note that in yesterday's thread of approximately 200 comments, just two posters were responsible for more than 1/3 of all comments. So their participation is going to be rationed (by me) to prevent further thread hogging. This isn't a chat room.
August 18, 2008, 10:07:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Well put Cee, many liberals/democrats complain of bias on Fox but say that they only pay attention to the parts that offend them, while the things they agree with pass unnoticed.  
 
Coming away from a program such as H&C remembering only the half of it that you disagree with could prove bias- but the bias might be on the opposite side of the screen from what the viewer thinks.
August 18, 2008, 10:24:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
The Gawker article speaks to this same phenomenon, in part. Demograpically, 20 years ago, we would say that younger people trend right. That seems to have changed. MSNBC growth is greatest among the young and greater than at other cable news networks, as the article points out. I do think that in appealing to this group, we have two (2) trends: (1) MSNBC becoming a centrist or left-of-center voice; (2) MSNBC presenting a counter-balance to a right-of-center FNC. Much as I have no problem, and indeed applaud a right-of-center voice with FNC, I applaud a centrist or left-of-center voice with MSNBC. Both are legitimate voices and fluent voices. What troubles me is the tit-for-tat sparring that is going on between the two. CNN seems to have risen above that. FNC and MSNBC add nothing to the dialogue by engaging in this and do much to harm their respective reputations.
August 18, 2008, 10:36:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Cnn is the gold standard (ratings or no ratings)
August 18, 2008, 11:17:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Just left a comment at the Alan thread that Johnny cited.
 
I note that of the eight posts on this thread that are previous to mine (in other words the first eight posts on this thread) . . . two posters account for half of the postings.
 
Looks like they are off to a good start!
August 18, 2008, 12:14:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The PEW survey is interesting. Once again, Fox News attracts a more balanced proportion of audience split between ideologies.
 
Johnny - I don't have the viewership numbers, but with the proportions of viewer idiology vs. actual viewership numbers, is it still accurate to say that FNC has more Democrat viewers than either CNN or MSNBC? We all know that FNC is the most popular cable news channel, but is it still the most popular for Dems and Independants?
August 18, 2008, 2:23:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Based on Q2 numbers, yes FNC has more Dem viewers than CNN or MSNBC. But the Q3 numbers will be out in under two weeks. At that time I'll do the math again and post an update.
August 18, 2008, 2:30:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


DeeKay
"Cnn is the gold standard (ratings or no ratings)"
 
Gold standard for WHAT?! Certainly not unbiased jounalism....
August 18, 2008, 2:37:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Fox Fan | 08.18.08 - 10:29 am |
 
I have to agree with you there FF...I tend to just remember the nonsense that gushes out of Hannitys mouth and forget what Alan says...But this doesn't explain Bill and his Right utterances.
August 18, 2008, 2:38:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Unfair and unbalanced | 08.18.08 - 11:22 am |
 
I will have to disagree there...CNN are excellent...But I'd say the BBC are the gold standard.
August 18, 2008, 2:42:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Omg are you serious you are comparing dnc flag to Msnbc's flag , that is a stretch.

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August 18, 2008, 2:53:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
I stand corrected Haggis, the BBC is at least even with CNN.
August 18, 2008, 2:54:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> you are comparing dnc flag to Msnbc's flag
 
Not me.
August 18, 2008, 3:06:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
It doesn't surprise me that the DNC has the MSNBC flag on their graphics. Since MSNBC is the selected vendor to serve as Obama Public Relations, it doesn't come as a shock that MSNBC loan their graphic artists to Obama as well.
 
In a another matter, the PEW survey seems to indicate that BOR's viewers have more completed formal education and high school education than Keith Chezchoslovakia Olbermann audience. Also, BOR attracts far more minorities that K"C"O as well.
 
BOR truly is the #1 show on the #1 Cable News Channel.
 
Congratulations Bill!
August 18, 2008, 3:58:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
But this doesn't explain Bill and his Right utterances.
HaggisFarmer | 08.18.08 - 2:43 pm | #  
 
Any examples, handy?
August 18, 2008, 4:12:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Too many examples to even count.
August 18, 2008, 4:21:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Regarding the flag controversy - I wonder if Keith "Chezchoslovakia" Olbermann will complain to Congress about the way it flies the flag over the Capital Building?
 
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:US_Capital_with_flag.jpg
 
Of course, reasonable people know that it is perfectly acceptable if the flag is oriented with the  
 
stars/stripes = right/left
stars/stripes = left/right,
stars/stripes = top/bottom
 
but not
stars/stripes = bottom/top

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August 18, 2008, 4:22:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
With the flag yet again? Oy!
August 18, 2008, 4:33:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Ashley | 08.18.08 - 4:27 pm |
 
You can't be serious...As someone once said...Not even the Dem Controlled Congress can change the direction the wind is blowing....I've still not seen anyone else hold the flag the GWB way.
August 18, 2008, 4:33:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
BOR regularly takes positions that are either left or right. In all my years of watching the Factor, I have never known him to be always from the right or always from the left. He seems to be conservative in some areas, and liberal in others. As I have said before, there are many lefties who consider him a righty, and many rightys who consider him to be a lefty.
 
As a regular viewer of the factor and someone who does not let a partisan web site, such as Newshounds, do my thinking for me, my statement is based on my own observations as a regular viewer.
 
If you have any questions on the matter, please contact Hillary Clinton or John Kerry to get their opinions on what they have said was a pleasant and fair experience being interviewed by BOR.
August 18, 2008, 4:35:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Hey Haggis I bet Oreilly can make the wind blow any way he wants he is like a god to some in here , or maybe even Santa Claus
August 18, 2008, 4:42:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
HF -it's called S A R C A S M.
 
If it was wrong to have a flag viewed in that manner, they could be rigged to be make the flag stationary. However, as REASONABLE PEOPLE know, the flag is beautiful anyway it flies, the left or to the right.
August 18, 2008, 4:47:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
For what it's worth, I don't find O'Reilly particularly partisan. If he were partisan, it might take attention away from him, and that can never be allowed to happen. I do find O'Reilly unpleasant and loud, but not partisan. The partisans are FNC, the really big partisans, are Hannity and the two.

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August 18, 2008, 4:49:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
But Mark you have to admit the Weekend Fox shows are alot more Fair and Balanced than during the week.

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August 18, 2008, 5:00:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Its Ed Hill on Americas Election Headquarters. Holy cow she's back.
August 18, 2008, 5:04:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
big partisans, are Hannity and the two.
Mark | 08.18.08 - 4:54 pm |
 
Mark, don't forget Cavuto and Gibson (if they ever give him back his show) and lets not forget Ingraham
August 18, 2008, 5:04:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Come on OS...Explain these terrible numbers - Friday, August 15
 
25-54 demo
Countdown=416
Factor=281
 
And please don't say Bill was absent.
 
J$, how come my last post didn't appear...It was a joke.
August 18, 2008, 5:37:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Too many examples to even count.
Unfair and unbalanced | 08.18.08 - 4:26 pm | #  
 
So, you lied? Shocker!
August 18, 2008, 5:41:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Sure, Cavuto is partisan, but I don't think even most FNC fans would argue that and few would take him seriously, and Gibson is, most assuredly, gone with the wind. Too big an embarassment, I am sure.

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August 18, 2008, 5:46:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
HaggisFarmer | 08.18.08 - 5:42 pm | #  
 
I can explain that.
 
Countdown has better ratings when Olbermann is NOT there.
 
Now, can you explain:
 
Total Viewers
Countdown=1072
Factor=1906
August 18, 2008, 5:58:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
And Kasich never does as well as the wonderfully sexy and intelligent Laura or Michelle.
August 18, 2008, 6:04:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
oh Haggis I think Rachel was there Friday night.
August 18, 2008, 6:07:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
When you say "Michelle" I hope you mean Senator Obama's spouse and not that angry woman with the squeaky voice. Otherwise, I may have to forego my dinner for latent nausea.
August 18, 2008, 6:19:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
In fact, the number HF cites for Olby in the "demo" is an almost 100% increase over the previous Friday show when Olby was there live, and an approximate 20% increase over the Friday before that!
 
The Factor - 75 Consecutive Months of being #1
August 18, 2008, 6:21:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Once again a reminder that we are moderating all posts today, for the reasons I expressed upthread. Already the complaints are coming in, not surprisingly from some of the same people who hogged over a third of the comments on the last thread. One of these would be close to the 50% mark right now if I hadn't rationed the comments.
 
As I stated earlier, this is not a chat room. You want to do one of those, fire up AIM and have at it. You can even announce it here and anyone who wants to go there may do so. This is a thread for comments, and it will not be hijacked.
August 18, 2008, 6:46:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
J$, what was wrong with my comment answering Ashley 6:03 pm post?
 
It was about the ratings
 
Can you please tell us...what's an acceptable number of posts per person...So we can ration them.
August 18, 2008, 6:53:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
Anyone interested in haveing a fair and balanced discussion in a unsensored chat room, where we can be free and chat about anything and be policed email me at patrickheckman@att.net
August 18, 2008, 6:55:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Haggis, please feel free to re-post.
August 18, 2008, 7:00:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Fair and balanced panel on Hume (in abstentia) tonight. Jeff Birnbaum, Charles Krauthammar, Wrongway Kristol. After they finished crucifying Senator Obama in the first segment, they moved onto a moderate amount of whining over the "loss" in Pakistan. Not a complete loss. Now I know what "fair and balanced" means.
August 18, 2008, 7:00:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Haggis, please feel free to re-post.
 
Ashley | 08.18.08 - 6:03 pm |
 
25-54 demo is most important...As you know.
Rachel Maddow does an excellent job and I like her...Just watch how she takes Corsi apart on Friday nights show...Obviously the factor stand in isn't up to the job.
August 18, 2008, 7:02:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Ashley | 08.18.08 - 6:03 pm | #  
 
My nomination for B C of the D! Even though I know J
August 18, 2008, 7:10:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Unfair and unbalanced
and anyone is welcome pro and anti fox people
August 18, 2008, 7:11:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I apologize if this is in the wrong thread, but I believe someone stated how wrong Kristol is in his predictions and generally painted as a dope. Earlier in the 2006 election year, Kristol was very positive in his assessment. As time went on, not so much. I watched him several times indicate this, and the proof I have is below where Kristol gives the following prediction on November 3, 2006:
 
William Kristol
 
Senate: 48 (R), 52 (D)
 
House: 192 (R), 243 (D)  
 
http://tinyurl.com/6l7q4m
 
So, did he pull a sly one with that conclusion or had he been saying for quite sometime on Fox that the picture was not so rosy for Republicans? I say this in the context of cable news because misinformation is constantly given without any proof. I provided mine.
August 18, 2008, 7:36:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
By the way, if you want to complain about the moderating, ask about why some post didn't get thru, or why I let some other post thru, or whatever, take it to email. I'll answer promptly, but please no back and forth about rules, moderating, and such in the comments thread.
August 18, 2008, 7:43:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Main reasons I like J$P is he pretty much just posts links with little or no comment, posts links to articles that cover the entire political spectrum from left to center to right (though probably not balanced in number), vulgarity is forbidden (no, I'm not a prude) and personal attacks are limited to humorous or bantam weight jabs.
 
The cable news businness has transformed before our eyes in a very short period of time from a time filler at airports and real time breaking news events to a powerful and growing force in every aspect of our lives.
August 18, 2008, 7:55:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Chuck Todd's apology rings a little hollow to me:
 
"Clearly, I should not have used that word, but I was using it in terms of political hate, which I view as differently. But it clearly came across the wrong way. Message received."
 
Two "but"s don't make a mea culpa. Political hatred, IMO, is just as bad as racial hatred, nationalistic hatred or religious hatred.
August 18, 2008, 8:13:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Just watch how she takes Corsi apart on Friday nights show...
HaggisFarmer | 08.18.08 - 7:07 pm | # 
 
Was Corsi present?
August 18, 2008, 8:21:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
25-54 demo is most important...As you know.
 
HaggisFarmer | 08.18.08 - 7:07 pm | # 
 
"Most Important" is a matter of opinion. It's also a demo that K"C"O never seems to win. The distinction of demo winner usually falls to Bill O'Reilly. However, if you believe I am wrong, why don't you cite the number of days over the past 1000 broadcast days that Bill O'Reilly won that demo you focus on and the same for Olby?
 
Even in the case you mention, Countdown still came in 2nd against Nancy Grace.
 
But if you feel this is a great victory and need to "Spike the Ball" on this, than don't let me stop you. Celebrate! Have an Ale! 
 
Now, how long is it going to take before the suits at NBC realize that they do better when Olby is not there?
August 18, 2008, 8:45:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ashley
vstol | 08.18.08 - 8:00 pm | #
 
Exactly!
 
Thank God for cable news. It may not be perfect, but it sure is better than having the choice of only 30 minutes per day from CBS, NBC, or ABC. This was the only choice up to the 80's.
 
I have a video tape from 1986, the day the Challenger exploded. I put a tape in the machine and set it to record straight through until the tape ended.
 
Watching the NBC "news" during prime time here in LA was nothing more than the 3 hour tape delay of a panel type show with a bunch of talking heads simply sitting there and talking about the tragedy. No video clips, no new interviews. Stone age compared to todays standards. I appreciate Ted Turner for creating CNN, I appreciate NBC and MS for trying to do good, and I appreciate FNC for taking the concept and making it great.
August 18, 2008, 8:54:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Any chance a Dem will appear on H&C tonight(not including Alan).
August 18, 2008, 9:29:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


GoCards
Not a chance Haggis, its really not even because Hannity acts like 2 republicans
August 18, 2008, 9:35:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
As usual 2 Republicans against 1 Dem...Very fair and balanced
August 18, 2008, 9:46:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


GoCards
Ashley,
What are you talking about are you smoking something, Nbc is the gold standard and Fox is like the national enquirer of news
August 18, 2008, 9:53:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Hannity might act like 2 republicans, but Olby acts like millions of liberals. That's how many Daily Kos members there are that determine the content of his show.
August 18, 2008, 9:57:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The gold standard lost $150/ounce recently.
 
The National Enquirer of news would be the perpetually discredited and pathetic MSNBC.
August 18, 2008, 10:01:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Watched LKL tonight for the first time in about 10 years. I have to hand it to LK, he hasn't aged a bit, while I show each of the 10 years. And, still the same softball questions. Twenty minutes was all I could take.
August 18, 2008, 10:40:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Just watch how she takes Corsi apart on Friday nights show...
HaggisFarmer | 08.18.08 - 7:07 pm | # 
 
Was Corsi present?
Olby Sucks | 08.18.08 - 8:26 pm | # 
 
Any chance you'll answer this?
August 18, 2008, 10:58:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
The FNC special on Obama was excellent tonight. I prefer it over Jerome Corsi's hit book. Eric Shawn hosts the McCain special tomorrow night.
August 19, 2008, 2:12:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I wanted to watch that, Mike, but we had some rough weather in the area. Whenever that happens, I lose a band of channels on Dish, including FNC, or I lose everything. Last night, I lost only the band. I hope there are links, comments or maybe even a re-run. I think we are going to finally clear midday tomorrow, so I may be able watch the McCain segment.
 
I know this weather phenomenon plagues satellite reception, but our cable provider, Cox, is even worse. Heavy dew, and it's out.
August 19, 2008, 9:25:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
For what it's worth, I think the entire matter is silly.
Mark | 08.19.08 - 3:10 pm | 
 
Are you sure, ombre? Because you had no trouble referencing Rick Sanchez of CNN yesterday via this:
 
"Doocy and Carlson were in rare form this morning. All upset that Andrea Mitchell had shared the obvious with all, neglecting to mention that Rick Sanchez had confirmed it. There are some personalities at FNC who do try to be fair and balanced, to turn FNC into a legitimate news organization. I hate to see their work go for naught because of the antics of the two clowns.
Mark | 08.18.08 - 9:54 am | # "
 
What Rich Sanchez said was this:
 
""Last night, I heard you say that McCain would be in a cone of silence, and then half-hour into the event, I hear our guys here at our political desk announced that McCain has just arrived at the worship center. And I'm thinking, you know -- hey, if he just arrived at the worship center, he couldn't have been in the cone of silence, right?"
 
You sure you thought this was all "silliness", until you had found out that McCain wasn't echoing our ole friend Solzhenitsyn and that Talking Points Memo?
 
p.s. They need a father figure---uncle... I don't...

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