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Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Keith Q&A: real or spoof?

Wednesday's numbers.

Mal James: running for his life.

Emmy tributes.

More North Korea Gretapix.

Will activists foil Matthews's plans? MSNBC won't blink.

Larry King gets Saakashvili.

Alan's hate mail.

Video: today's TMI moment?

Pre-Presidential profiles bump Bill.

Hotline quotes.

Jon Scott comes home.

How Janice Dean found out.

The master narrative.

Today's firing assassination demand.

MSNBC wants Olympic ratings, but is deemed "worst".

J$P Poll results.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Ashley
So now some from the left are openly advocating murdering BOR. Free Speech is only tolerated by them if they like what you say. I wonder if these idiots visit the Newshounds?

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August 14, 2008, 12:38:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Damail
What say you, Ellen?
August 14, 2008, 1:13:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Don't bother her. She's working on her harassment complaint. And maybe emailing Hal Turner for more inside scoops.
August 14, 2008, 1:16:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I was just about to say "Don't tempt her, or anyone from over there."
This may end up being my lone comment in this thread. The infiltration/hijacking is inevitable.
August 14, 2008, 1:17:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Don't be so pessimistic, mike. Johnny has things well under control.
August 14, 2008, 1:21:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Okay, but there's 144 comments and counting in the Tuesday thread. Whenever the bad guys and gal show up, it's anarchy all around.
And now, I'm headed to bed.
August 14, 2008, 1:48:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm sure the topic of murdering O'Reilly has come up at the NHs many many times before.
 
What say you, Ellen?
August 14, 2008, 7:12:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Wenchie
Bill Hemmer has a documentary on Obama for Monday 8pm and Eric Shawn has one on McCain Tues 8pm
August 14, 2008, 9:23:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
[message deleted for rules violation: political off topic]

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August 14, 2008, 10:04:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
nvh, if you want to continue to comment here, after your diatribe of name-calling against me and this site, you are going to have to clear that up. To wit: either back up and document what you said, or take it back and apologize.
August 14, 2008, 10:23:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Pardon my massagony, but if anyone is having a dark, gloomy, cloudy, sunless day, turn on Fox News and feel the warmth.
August 14, 2008, 10:26:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I hope that the Obama "documentary" gives Hemmer a chance to reassert himself as a serious journalist. Since the move to FNC, he seems to have been swimming in a sea of fluff. I am not sure I understand that. While FNC does do many, many, many fluff pieces, it does some serious journalism as well. And, Hemmer always seemed to me to be very good at serious news, the focus and intensity of seasoned reporter, without the burdensome moroseness of a Hume, the shrill stridency of a Dobbs. Maybe FNC just wants Hemmer to earn his stripes. I think he did that long ago. Break out, Bill. FNC needs you. We need you.
August 14, 2008, 10:29:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
As many times as I've been called a hypocritical,ignorant liar I thought my diatribe was just going with the flow. If you can't recognize your own insults, and those of your posters, then nothing I can say will enlighten you.
August 14, 2008, 10:36:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I think you probably meant misogyny, although I once saw a film at a bachelor's party named "Massagony," and, believe me, this is no place for the details. Alas, my office is on airport property, and we have contractually agreed that the only cable news on sets within our building will be CNN Airport. Security concerns.
August 14, 2008, 10:39:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Interesting tactic: instead of documenting your claims about me, or taking them back, you double down with new ones. This is your last opportunity to either back up what you said about me or retract it.
August 14, 2008, 10:40:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Mark | 08.14.08 - 10:44 am | #  
 
Please folks, let me know if I'm off base here.
 
Is there anyone other than Mark who didn't understand my not very cryptic play on words?
 
Isn't it obvious from this and other comments that there is not a misogynous bone in my body.
 
I view misogyny as self-distructive insanity.
August 14, 2008, 11:00:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I actually think all men have a bit of misogyny about them. Hormonal. IF you've ever rolled your eyes or shaken your head when a woman in your life is telling you some story that doesn't seem to have an end in sight, then .... But, I do realize that you are, as you say, not misogynistic at any critical level.
August 14, 2008, 11:21:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Average American Patriot
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August 14, 2008, 11:46:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
J$,
 
I apologize for the diversive direction this thread has taken. My intent was simply to provide a little Fox News sunshine on an otherwise gloomy day around much of the country.
 
FYI Note to Mark:
"misogynistic" is not a word-misogynist is a noun-misogynous is an adjective
August 14, 2008, 11:57:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Interesting. A quick check shows that American-Heritage, Random House and Webster all disagree with you, but what the heck, it's summer and off-topic.
August 14, 2008, 12:02:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Mark | 08.14.08 - 12:07 pm  
 
Do we really need anymore proof that acceptance of incorrect popular usage dillutes the purity of the language of Shakespeare?
 
Irregardless of the sources cited, check the date when "misogynistic" began to be used instead of "misogynous."
August 14, 2008, 12:31:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'm as much of a grammar cop as anyone, but let's not overdo it.
August 14, 2008, 12:33:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
11 hours ago, I said:
Whenever the bad guys and gal show up, it's anarchy all around.
And isn't that what's happening now?
I have yet to get up to that TMI moment on "F&F" on my DVR. I'm 10 minutes into hour 2 right now.
August 14, 2008, 12:42:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Wow, you record F&F?
August 14, 2008, 12:53:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I'm as much of a grammar cop as anyone, but let's not overdo it.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 12:38 pm | #  
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As brothers on the force, I am sure you'll indulge me this final point: Your point about dilution of the language is excellent, vstol. I wish more English speakers were as as concerned about the language. We'd avoid many misunderstandings.
August 14, 2008, 12:57:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Yes. To be fair, I don't watch every second of it.
August 14, 2008, 12:58:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
The Harrigan video up right now is one of the most dramatic pieces of footage I've seen in a long time.
August 14, 2008, 1:15:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I thought it important to bring up this very serious matter today. watching "The Live Desk" on FNC, I must make note of the fact that Jamie Colby and Harris Faulkner both look ABSOLUTELY gorgeous today in their purple outfits.
August 14, 2008, 1:31:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I think I was running with Harrigan as I watched.
August 14, 2008, 1:40:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
LOL F&F actually made me laugh, thanks to Ernest Borgnine....Brilliant  
 
It was also noted that F&F were quietly starting the Powell offensive....As I said would happen, yesterday.
August 14, 2008, 1:46:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Borgnine was on F&F. I might have to borrow Mike's DVD. In Ethel Merman's second volume of memoirs, "Merman," the last chapter was entitled 'My Marriage to Ernest Borgnine', and it consisted of a blank page.
August 14, 2008, 2:02:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Harrigan is, indeed, very, very good. I hope he is duly recognized when matters settle down or in.
August 14, 2008, 2:04:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
One question has Jamie Colby had a face lift
August 14, 2008, 2:16:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
Thanks to J$ and Haggis for pointing to me to those Larry King/Bernie Mac clips I pointed yesterday. (I wanted to see his the reactions /tributes by his TV family.) But I ultimately found the one I wanted on YouTube.  
 
They are segments 4 and 5 on this page, if anyone else is interested:  
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=bernie+mac+larry+king&search_type=&aq=f
August 14, 2008, 2:25:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Average American Patriot
vstol | 08.14.08 - 12:36 pm
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Now, that comment was actually real funny!
August 14, 2008, 2:26:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
pointed? I meant "requested". I should start using the "preview" function.
August 14, 2008, 2:28:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
Bernie Mac tribute was very cool
August 14, 2008, 2:29:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
So Bill O'Reilly has joined the Salman Rusdie club in that he's got zealous maniacs gunning for him.
 
On the other hand, Chris Matthews merely needs to invite Geraldine Ferraro on the program occasionally.
August 14, 2008, 3:12:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
A string of messages deleted because, as was planned, they immediately spun off into political talk. Left this, right that, yada yada yada. Please, people, if you want to discuss politics, have at it. But not here. Reminder: cable news.
August 14, 2008, 3:22:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
vstol | 08.14.08 - 3:13 pm |
 
So....It's not my fault you spell it wrongly in the US.
August 14, 2008, 3:24:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
as was planned, they immediately spun off...
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 3:27 pm |
 
Sorry it wasn't my intention....I felt the poll was relevant to cable news....At least I didn't post a link...I'm learning.
August 14, 2008, 3:31:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
haggy and patsy misspelled tumour the same way? Shocker!:lol:
August 14, 2008, 3:36:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


PermanentlyPickled
Olby Sucks, that's how they spell it in the UK....I'm assuming HaggisFarmer is from the UK.
August 14, 2008, 3:41:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Well, I am certain that we can all agree that the 3:41 post, and so many like it, are much more conducive to a meaningful discussion of cable news than the future of punditry tends to touch, however tangentially, upon politics, as so many pesky topics do.  
 
The best approach: Let's avoid substance at all costs. In that spirit: Does anyone know the brand and variety of dyes Doocy and Gretchen use on their hair?
August 14, 2008, 3:46:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
PP, Your correct in that assumption...OS wont let small points like this get in his way.
August 14, 2008, 3:53:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Do you happen to know the dye colours, HF?
August 14, 2008, 4:05:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Mark....You've lost me.
August 14, 2008, 4:15:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
That's what comes of meaningless tit-for-tats. I wish I had a rule against that! Until I devise one, or find a way to make it fit a rule, I'll have to ask people on all sides not to do silly little back and forths over noxious trivia.
August 14, 2008, 4:20:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Going back to a topic discussed yesterday, perhaps we now have some more light.
 
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/13/powell.candidates/index.html
 
If the above article is correct, Powell will not be going to either convention, and he has not decided whom he will endorse.
 
Looks like Johnny's post yesterday (in response to another article I linked) was close to being on target.
August 14, 2008, 4:28:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
I wish I had a rule against that! Until I devise one, or find a way to make it fit a rule,
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 4:25 pm |
 
I'm sure there's a rule in the "secret haggis rule book" just for this sort of occasion.  
 
"little back and forths over noxious trivia"
 
Well said J$...It's about time you put a stop to OS obsession with the numbers.
August 14, 2008, 4:30:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I agree.
August 14, 2008, 4:46:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
HF,
 
Save it!! 
 
Excepting the people that use foul language there is no one on this thread who is more obnoxious than you.
 
Please find something substantial to talk about; rather than pointing tne finger at someone else.
August 14, 2008, 4:47:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Wed. #'s - even with big MSNBC 5 till 7 Olympic #'s, Mathews and Olby drop back when their programs start. KO could do no better than 7th last night. 
 
I guess after watching 2 hours of the games, folks decide to turn off the circus. Don't all switch over to NBC though as usual Fox programs dominate.
 
When Olympics, conventions and elections are over, we'll see which network dominates.
August 14, 2008, 4:47:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
......put a stop to OS obsession with the numbers....Then up pops Mr.Smawley.
Keith has been holding steady this week + doing some excellent reporting.
 
Is it possible to watch the factor on line?...I've been missing it due to Olympics.
 
Alas...I fear my application for membership over at OW is not going well.
August 14, 2008, 5:00:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Don't despair, HF, it is a very, very busy site. I am sure you will be given due consideration, in due time.
August 14, 2008, 5:07:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
HF,
 
No kidding
 
_________________________________
 
Pity poor Matthews. Since Matthews supported Obama, he is obviously a sexist.
 
However, if he had supported Hillary . . . he would be a racist.
 
He just couldn't win. 
 
But then, having a derogatory label could not happen to a more deserving guy.

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August 14, 2008, 5:08:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
hahaha, Johnny! I got a kick out of AnnieNYC's "No we won't" logo!
August 14, 2008, 5:35:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Fox And Friends Takes Credit For Airlines’ Deal On Troops’ Baggage Fees
 
Why are the F&F trying to take total credit for something many other outlets were reporting.
August 14, 2008, 5:39:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I got a kick out of AnnieNYC's "No we won't" logo!
 
Do you think that's a real Q&A or a hoax?
August 14, 2008, 5:46:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
My initial reaction is that it's a very good hoax, but then I'm aware too, that you can't get more earnest than Hillary's lady friends. 
 
I suppose I'm going with "real".
August 14, 2008, 6:06:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Good for Janice Dean, pretty sure she will be a good mom.
August 14, 2008, 6:11:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Johnny,
 
My first thought was that it is a spoof. But then I read the last paragraph, and I thought maybe he really did talk to Olby.
 
It would help to know the author's track record. Has he written spoofs before?
August 14, 2008, 6:25:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Someone lying about the number of names they use may fall under "tit for tat." Especially those who do it. When certain posters make the same "misspellings" that is evidence the afformentioned is happening here. I'll say no more on the subject, today. I'll take my briefcase full of evidence and go home....
August 14, 2008, 6:28:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Do you think that's a real Q&A or a hoax?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.14.08 - 5:51 pm | # 
 
It could be either. Annie is a woman? Olby shaking like a leaf at the thought of a debate? Having to answer a question face to face? Very possible if not probable. Just happened to "run into him?" A little shakey.
August 14, 2008, 6:56:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cornycob
Olby claims he beat O'Reilly. Except its not even true. I don't get it.
August 14, 2008, 7:30:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Average American Patriot
Olby Sucks | 08.14.08 - 3:41 pm
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So, if I call you "cigarette" in vernacular Brit English, that means I am HaggisFarmer?
 
Go and finish your GED, Jeffy.
August 14, 2008, 7:44:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
See 6:33.
August 14, 2008, 7:55:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Olby doesn't care about the truth CC, he is a legend in his own mind. Understand what we are dealing with here.
 
He has no base of folks that will go to the wall for him either. He has the dog pound, but they would throw him under the bus if his numbers faded. 
 
Contrast his support with conservative commentators and review how their supporters react when left wing attacks occur.
 
No comparison and no connection for the likes of Edward R Olbermann.
August 14, 2008, 7:58:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Ellen,
 
Before you-know-who starts making a big fuzz out of nothing.
 
"Odinga making a compact with"
 
should be written
 
"Odinga making a pact with"
Average American Patriot
 
----------------
 
I thought Corsi said "compact" but I could be wrong. Let the
hyperventilating Mark Koldys/Johnny Dollar attack me. He, apparently,
has nothing better to do with his life.
Ellen | Homepage | 08.13.08 - 12:55 pm | #
____________________________
AAP,
 
Taking note of the above exchange you had with Ellen, I have some questions for you.
 
Do you agree with Ellen's assessment that many of Johnny's posts that contain a "hyperventilating attack"?
 
Recently, Johnny posted a comment that he made at Newshounds that has been deleted. 
 
Would you characterize that post as containing a"hyperventilating attack"?
 
Do you see anything wrong with the post? If so, please explain. [By that I mean, was the post impolite, especially by your standards? Was the post off topic? Did Johnny do too much cut and pasting?]
 
Do you have access to other posts (from Johnny and posted at newshounds) that a rational person would consider a "hyperventilating attack"?
 
Since you have these conversations with Ellen, and since I am sure she is keeping a file, would you ask her to share an example of a hyperventilating-attack Dollar post?
 
I am really eager to see one, and I expect that I have a lot of company.
August 14, 2008, 8:04:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
but they would throw him under the bus if his numbers faded. 
 
by ds
 
No, the blame the Olympics! :lol:
August 14, 2008, 8:07:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
AAP
 
BTW: You guys have a troll comment hall of fame thread going. I would think that if Johnny made a hyperventilating attack that it would be somewhere in that thread. So far, I haven't been able to find it.
 
Please help.
August 14, 2008, 8:12:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The whole "there is stuff missing, but most of it is here" part is where I seriously doubt the Annie NYC page. Do you really think KO would stand there and allow himself to be grilled by some random person? Especially when she gets down to details about the candidates? I call shenanigans!
 
The "No We Won't" logo was hilarious, do they make those in bumper stickers?
August 14, 2008, 9:16:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Grammie,
 
Are you out there? I would like to see your view point of real or spoof (and to verify you're ok). I think the story seems legit. The name AnnieNYC is a registered commenter at Huff Po with pro-Hillary comments. That doesn't prove it is the same Annie, but seems likely. After witnessing Olby turn to jelly when he had Ashcroft on Countdown, Annie's recorded reaction seems plausible.
August 14, 2008, 10:12:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"The name AnnieNYC is a registered commenter at Huff Po with pro-Hillary comments."
 
Which explains the"why do you hate Hillary" questions.
August 14, 2008, 10:52:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Best line by AnnieNYC:
 
(super nervous) "i think he is" (politely explains he has to go to work then says) "Well think of the alternative"
 
"I am"
August 14, 2008, 11:31:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Corsi and Waldman, fair and balanced. On CNN.
Reported by Chrish - Thu 4:33 PM
 
Did anybody see this? I'm curious what ACTUALLY went down.
August 14, 2008, 11:51:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
If you go to the michael calderone blog (listed in the right-hand column) he has video of the segment.
August 14, 2008, 11:57:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Last night, Corsi added the Obama’s-not-really-a-Christian-but-a-Muslim smear.
 
by ellen
 
KING: Jerome, if a man says he is a Christian, why doubt that?
 
CORSI: Well, I don't. I say in the book I can't read Barack Obama's soul. I can't look into his mind. If he says he's a Christian, he's a Christian.
August 15, 2008, 1:26:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Corsi: And one last point. You know, these ad hominem attacks, to me, I hope Media Matters keeps it going right up until the election, because it doesn't refute what I wrote in the book.
 
>
 
Sums up the whole interview. Waldman refuted nothing. But, the interview started with this...
 
Waldman: Now, four years later, he has come out with another book that is also riddled with distortions and falsehoods.
August 15, 2008, 1:40:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I happened upon Average American Patriot's post dissing Bob Cox as wanting him by the short hair for mandating an ISP address from posters on Olbermann Watch now.
 
What Patsy doesn't tell you is that he spent years mucking up the boards at OW with all sorts of obscenity laden screeds and sheer foolishness.
 
I tried to publish all of the banned names that Average AMerican Patriot used at Olbermann Watch, but halo scan said the post had "too many lines". 
 
I knew Johnny would delete the post anyway, but it would have been nice if someone could have seen the over two hundred names that Bob Cox revealed Patsy to have been using. Many of the aliases were obscene insults to other posters such as Grammy, Cee, and Royal King.
 
Truth in advertising-- this guy repaid Bob Cox's hospitality by trying to ruin his blog. He's about as stable and trust-worthy a character as a pickpocket.
August 15, 2008, 6:37:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Some points about the AnnieNYC thing: 
 
People have managed to have exchanges with public figures they encounter on the street.
 
Olbermann has exchanged antagonistic email with critics, so he's not entirely unapproachable in such matters.
 
There is certainly ever incentive for Olbermann to "clear the air" between the MSNBC folks and Hillary's female followers.
August 15, 2008, 7:04:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
You pose an interesting issue in your 6:42 post, Cecelia. Cable news blogs are interesting creatures. In the two associated blogs of which you speak, one of which is, by design, negative in its mission (attacking Olbermann) and the other positive (promoting FNC), we see a most interesting tension. Too much inclusiveness can sidetrack, too much exclusiveness can render dull and stale. Keeping some balance is a formidable task. Although I find this politics issue here rather silly and short-sighted, for, in an election year, if cable news is not about politics, what is it about, I generally think there is a good balance, brought about by a great deal of behind the scenes work, for which Johnny deserves credit, and some fairly sound self-discipline by most of the posters. There is some abuse, to be sure, but very little here. If you leave your baggage with the concierge at the associated site, I am sure you will generally agree.
August 15, 2008, 9:03:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Average American Patriot
Danny | 08.14.08 - 8:09 pm
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Taking note of the above exchange you had with Ellen, I have some questions for you.
 
> Do you agree with Ellen's assessment that many of Johnny's posts that contain a "hyperventilating attack"?
 
- Those were Ellen's words, not mine. The rest of her post went on to mock Johnny.
 
> Recently, Johnny posted a comment that he made at Newshounds that has been deleted.
 
> Would you characterize that post as containing a"hyperventilating attack"?
 
> Do you see anything wrong with the post? If so, please explain. [By that I mean, was the post impolite, especially by your standards? Was the post off topic? Did Johnny do too much cut and pasting?]
 
-I don't have any idea about such post, so I can't answer you. Also I have no control over the News Hounds MoDs posting criteria.
 
> Do you have access to other posts (from Johnny and posted at newshounds) that a rational person would consider a "hyperventilating attack"?
 
- How many times do I have to repeat that I do not have any connection or influence over News Hounds.
 
> Since you have these conversations with Ellen, and since I am sure she is keeping a file, would you ask her to share an example of a hyperventilating-attack Dollar post?
 
> I am really eager to see one, and I expect that I have a lot of company.
 
- WOW! Now you are just getting paranoid. 
Go ahead and hallucinate all you want about "Ellen's conversations" and "her files" or her responding or not to something that you could ask by yourself.
 
Danny, anything else?
August 15, 2008, 9:19:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
OLberman has every right to pick on Hillary suporters they are basically feminist Nazis, their biggest complaint has always been that the delegates in Florida and Michigan should count, those state broke rules set by the DNC that is why they were cut in half. That is the reason Obama did not campiagn in those state and I think that Obama letting her put her name in nomination is a very nice gesture, let he people state their case , then they can shut the heck up. And the media was at he beginning probably pro Obama then at the end when Hillary found (her voice) they basically switched to her, and picking on Olberman is no different than listening to Hannity make some lame excuse about it is ok for McCain to have an affair but not for John Edwards.or Doocy and Carlson on F&F rip Obama.
August 15, 2008, 9:22:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Mark, most people don't consider judgments based upon a person's history of behavior to be "baggage". 
 
On the contrary, they think of such estimations as the proper and rational prerogative of all thinking people and one that naturally subjects us all.
 
A logical conclusion of that process is that how a man behaves when he is given free reign is more indicative of his character than the way he behaves...must behave... when he's monitored.
 
Even more relevant to this sort of medium is the understanding that in any forum party parties are honest brokers. That is that they are not there to usurp or undermine the intentions of those operating the forum. 
 
For all your mandated cordiality, based upon your history, I would never logically conclude this about you. Certainly not about AAP.
 
You both have a reputation of your own earning, my friend. Decrying that estimation as some unnecessary and irrational burden for both you and the person who holds it, is astoundingly self-serving and only further reveals that you value little but your own way.
August 15, 2008, 9:40:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
Hey Cecelia you use alot of big words but make no sense, all the bad things that happen in the world are not a man's fault.
August 15, 2008, 9:46:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, get a dictionary, Fire Getchen Carlson...
August 15, 2008, 9:49:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
I know what the words mean and I get what you are saying but your theory makes no sense. Dont let your bad experiences with men cloud your judgement.
August 15, 2008, 9:52:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
It made perfect sense, to me.:lol:
August 15, 2008, 9:52:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
Sure it did
August 15, 2008, 9:54:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
I too want KO to continue to battle with Hillary's supporters, in fact, I want the BHO campaign and the Hillary campaign to battle each other on all the cable news channels week after next.
 
Good for America and good for ratings!
August 15, 2008, 9:55:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
Very true as long as we put a Democrat in the White House, and we can shut up Sean Hannity
August 15, 2008, 9:56:56 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I know what the words mean and I get what you are saying but your theory makes no sense. Dont let your bad experiences with men cloud your judgement.
Fire Gretchen Carlson | 08.15.08 - 9:57 am | # 
 
Unless you are one of the people in reference, why would you care?
August 15, 2008, 9:57:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
we can shut up Sean Hannity
Fire Gretchen Carlson | 08.15.08 - 10:01 am | # 
 
Liberal hypocrisy. Front and center!
August 15, 2008, 9:58:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
and why do you care what I care.
August 15, 2008, 9:59:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I don't, coward.
August 15, 2008, 10:00:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fire Gretchen Carlson
Conservative hypocrisy front and center
August 15, 2008, 10:00:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I doubt you 'got' much, Fire Gretchen Carlson, otherwise you'd understand that bad experiences these men could not help but affect my judgment of them.
August 15, 2008, 10:00:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Conservative hypocrisy front and center
Fire Gretchen Carlson | 08.15.08 - 10:05 am | 
 
Really? Where?
August 15, 2008, 10:01:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Average American Patriot
Cecelia | 08.15.08 - 6:42 am 
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WOW! 
Yesterday I was a pomerian, today a pickpocket?
 
Or do you mean a toy pomerian?
 
> I happened upon Average American Patriot's post dissing Bob Cox as wanting him by the short hair for mandating an ISP address from posters on Olbermann Watch now.
 
- You are missing the point entirely. And Bob probably did too.
I told Bob that even if he asked for an ISP e-mail addy from his posters, that does not address the fact that some of his regulars post bigoted and racist comments.
I told Bob that if he wanted to have a clean site, one not flagged as offensive, he would have to MOD (moderate) the site via live MoDs. Something Johnny $ is doing, WITHOUT asking for an e-mail addy.
Further, I've also said that I wouldn't trust my e-mail addy to someone with a blog full of security holes.
 
> What Patsy doesn't tell you is that he spent years mucking up the boards at OW with all sorts of obscenity laden screeds and sheer foolishness.
 
- That is just soooooooooooooooooo rich. "Years"? 
Please don't tell me now you ate Jeffy's paranoid hallucinations.
Or are you going to say that I am "Phony Soldier"
Or are you going to tell us I shouldn't have mocked that disgusting POS "Phony Soldier" so he would rant, and rant on and on and on about us eeeeeveeeel LBRULS.
How about Jeffy? He didn't need any prodding to show his bigotry and racism.
 
> I tried to publish all of the banned names that Average AMerican Patriot used at Olbermann Watch, but halo scan said the post had "too many lines".
 
- Halo Scan, and Bob, were having a bad hair day. Try again.
 
> I knew Johnny would delete the post anyway, but it would have been nice if someone could have seen the over two hundred names that Bob Cox revealed Patsy to have been using. Many of the aliases were obscene insults to other posters such as Grammy, Cee, and Royal King.
 
- Nope. Not to Grammy. 
Sarcasm, mockery, derison, but not obscenities
As for Cee and Jeffy, I didn't even begin to describe them appropriately.
 
> Truth in advertising-- this guy repaid Bob Cox's hospitality by trying to ruin his blog. He's about as stable and trust-worthy a character as a pickpocket.
 
- Wrong again. 
Olbermann Watch still bears the posts that will mark it as a hate site.
And those posts are not mine, or Bob's.
However, it is NOT my blog. It is Bob's blog. Along with his comments.
August 15, 2008, 10:01:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm going to have to agree with Mark and Fire GC (while disagreeing with his/her moniker).
 
Cecelia needs to move past things that happened on another site months or years ago.
 
Mark is a stand-up guy for putting up with her constant attacks in response to his polite articulations.
August 15, 2008, 10:04:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Hannity loves Limbaugh
Olberman is the voice of reason since the way the Republicans have messed up this country, War In Iraq the economy he is the voice of reason troubled world, unlke the hate that Hannity spews. Saying it ok for Mccain to have an affair but not Edwards, what a jerk
August 15, 2008, 10:05:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Olbermann Watch still bears the posts that will mark it as a hate site.
 
What does that make newshounds? A fun loving family site?
August 15, 2008, 10:05:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Mark is a stand-up guy for putting up with her constant attacks in response to his polite articulations.
Fox Fan | 08.15.08 - 10:09 am | # 
 
I'll have to disagree with you.
August 15, 2008, 10:06:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
That's fine, I'm just pointing out my observation.
August 15, 2008, 10:07:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
AAP, for someone who boasted he'd be back on the blog regardless of being banned, your concern about the "security holes" at OW is laughable. 
 
As is your concern about the content of the posts there, when you posted all matter of slime under all matter of names.
 
You are what you are, buddy, and all the attempts to bolster yourself through talk about racist posts, insults towards the left, and suggestions that the blog deserved no better than your ill intentions, bares that out.
August 15, 2008, 10:08:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Hannity loves Limbaugh
There goes Cecelia again.
August 15, 2008, 10:09:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
to his polite articulations.
Fox Fan | 08.15.08 - 10:09 am | # 
 
I see sarcasm and inuendos, to the max, usually.
August 15, 2008, 10:09:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Fox Fan, how else could Mark act?
August 15, 2008, 10:11:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Bring back Chetry
Olberman spews as much hate as Hannity and Bill Oreilly. At least Olberman is articulate about it.
August 15, 2008, 10:11:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Mark holds his fire at many points when I would be blazing two barrels at the things you write about him. He has self-control unlike either of us, CC.
August 15, 2008, 10:14:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I would take Cecelia's side against you, Fox Fan, but then Mark might call us lesbians like he used to at OW.
August 15, 2008, 10:14:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm fine with being called a lesbian.
August 15, 2008, 10:18:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
And sharm, I would give the same advice to you- things change. Get on with it. Mark isn't causing any problems even if he does disagree with us sometimes. At least he does it without name-calling like the NHs do here.
August 15, 2008, 10:20:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
While you're merely "pointing out your observation", keep in mind that Mark engaged me today about this baggage. Read AAP's posts, the sudden appearance of all sorts of odd monikers, and then consider whether my "baggage" with AAP is unfair. 
 
I'd ask you consider that Mark is indeed a smarter and more judicious (when he must be) man than AAP, and consider that other people (who post here less frequently than I post) hold the same opinion and state it pretty clearly when they are here...I'd ask you to consider these things, but I think you already have and have decided that since it has nothing to do with you, you don't care. 
 
Fine, FF. Please leave me to my prerogative and I'll leave Scott (whom I've not seen attack you, and who has never attacked ME) to your's. That seems to be a way of thinking that you've embraced in the past.
August 15, 2008, 10:22:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Bring back Chetry
Dang cant we all just get along
August 15, 2008, 10:25:33 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
You seem to be having a hard time getting over Cecelia's lightweight criticism of you. I'll respect Johnny, though.
August 15, 2008, 10:25:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm fine with being called a lesbian.
Fox Fan | 08.15.08 - 10:23 am | # 
 
Well, I'm not. I thought it was a cheap shot and one a great many cheap shots. 
 
Since you believe that the only behavior that is offensive is behavior that personally insults you, perhaps you could allow us that too.
August 15, 2008, 10:26:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Bring back Chetry
Dang Cecelia just get over it, call your shrink or something.Let it go
August 15, 2008, 10:28:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Cowardly Troll alert... Someone is unable to take you on intellectually, Cecelia.
August 15, 2008, 10:31:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Bring back Chetry
No she just talks about the same old same old, move on get over whatever, you hate men its ok
August 15, 2008, 10:32:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Bring back Chetry
And sharm dont start something you cant finish
August 15, 2008, 10:33:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Shades of OW...huh.. Sharm.
August 15, 2008, 10:33:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
All posting will be closed for a cooling off period. This is the worst display of name-calling, personal attacks, off-topic garbage, that I've seen since this site began. Any posts made during the cooling off period will be strictly moderated and will eventually appear only if they pass the test.
 
Thanks for making my day, guys.
August 15, 2008, 10:37:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
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Please document the claims you made about me, or retract them, if you wish to continue posting here. Start with my fringe right-wing positions on issues. Quoting my own words back to me would constitute proof. --J$

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August 15, 2008, 4:09:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply