7/7/09 9:15 AM

Wednesday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Tuesday's numbers: another FNC sweep!

MSNBC.com tops. Grace under fire. Larry's filly fib.

Who's guest-hosting Beck today?

Video: Beck's View gig turns ugly.

Hotline after dark.

Q&A: Dan Abrams. Profile: Liz Claman.

Rush challenges MSNBC. Vote: Skinner v Jansing.

Glenn Beck talks about his View appearance:


Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.   Updated through the day.




Kirk G
I am a news junkie and I have no idea who Jansing is. Help me out.
May 20, 2009, 8:54:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
The MSNBC "Limbaugh temperance" challenge cannot occur.....Their small audience would have severe and dangerous withdrawl.
 
Please, think of the people watching! Have compassion. Stopping the hate and demogoguery would cause horrible suffering for those tuning in for their usual euphoric hit.
 
MSNBC is serving the base needs of their puny audience, leave them alone!
May 20, 2009, 10:02:43 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I heard Rush make this challenge yesterday. Late last night, I was channel surfing, hit MSNBC with a repeat of the Ed Show. Guess who he was talking about.
 
Pathetic. But that's MSNBC.
May 20, 2009, 11:00:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Heeeeeee's back!!!!
 
Look what I found on my blog.
I guess Ellen's banning of this loon didn't change his nasty habits.
 
Blackthong you ####ing idiot, why don’t you shut the hell up and stop sucking on Johnny Dollars ####, a playing with Assleys funbags.
That’s right Hipocrit Houndie.
You have been called out. You are a ####ing liar.
Just another pissed off Conservative, we won and you lost.
Get over it or get the #### out of the country.
Why not give poor people cars, considering what Bush did to us that last eight years everyone should be given something.
Just #### off
 
thedreadedpatrick - May 20, 2009 at 3:40 pm
 
http://barnarme.wordpress.com/2009/05/08/latest-government-outrage-free-cars-for-the-poor/#comments
 
He must be very lonely.

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May 20, 2009, 1:43:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley the cheerleader, not th
Thanks B - good timing as this twitter site was in need of new material:
 
http://twitter.com/thelilfeller
 
No doubt who was the "We won you lost" poster from the other day. Seems like the l'il feller just can't stay from J$P, or you for that matter!
 
It's hysterical and quite ironic that the obsessed little guy is telling you to "get over" something.
May 20, 2009, 2:03:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


kris
Watching the video segment with Glenn Beck on The View, one thing is apparent. He couldn't get a word in edge-wise to explain him self except for the apology that he gave to Barbara about who came over to whom (it was she that went over to him, like that matters). As far as Glenn then trying to explain how the rest of this story went, he was constantly interrupted by Whoopi and Barbara. It's like they didn't want to ever hear from him that he MAY HAVE ACTUALLY BEEN TOLD THAT THOSE SEATS WERE "RESERVED"!!" If he was going to say words to that effect, that would not make him "a liar" as Whoopi called him. Pathetic, but typical of this particular crowd, except for Elizabeth, who actually has some manners.
May 20, 2009, 2:23:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


~
if whoopie and barbara think glenn beck smeared them, they're wrong, they smeared themselves on the view attacking beck. that stupid fat rastafarian and that hag witch. the one "lie" beck uttered? oh, that barbara came over to him instead of glenn going over to her. that wasnt even a meaningful difference as far as a listener to the show would care. hags playing the victim. meanwhile they have people making resrvations w/o them even asking. some victims. i spit in their face.
May 20, 2009, 2:58:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Beck showed how not to try to respond to the ladies....He really should have watched some of O'Reilly's visits.
 
Walters usually does not filibuster but it is easy to see she was personally insulted by Beck's imitation of her. She was very shrill.
 
Whoppi showed her thin skin side again. The sanctimony coming from a comediene who has been known to exagerate and basically lie about people for laughs is rich.
 
I really think they were pissed at his swipe at their pretentiousness....a battle he was going to lose...DO NOT play with that kind of fire when it comes to progressive and erudite celebs like those on THE VIEW...the knives come out!
 
In the end, on the substance of the train exchange, Beck was in the wrong and will be the butt of jokes from the likes of Olbermann for several days. He should learn from it and avoid the personal attacks, stick with the ideas that are flawed.
 
Sticking with the humble, "everyman" Beck is the winner and is the reason why he is doing so well.
May 20, 2009, 3:06:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Wow. Arguing over who came up to who, first? What a total waste of airtime.
May 20, 2009, 4:05:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Pat Pomeroy
I think your advice to Beck is solid, Cee. Beck does seem to have an appeal, which I do not understand, to a niche market of American television viewers. This same niche is infamous for running from and at the same time ridiculing those of intellect, particularly those with educational pedigrees. I would go one step beyond the common man precept, Cee, and say: don't put yourself up against anyone who is bright and don't go against anyone you can't bully. You lose everytime. The same might be said of O'Reilly, but I think he doesn't warrant much analysis. He seems to be terribly stale these days.
May 20, 2009, 4:06:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Pat, you left out the more important adjective I mentioned that actually makes anyone more valuable to his fellow man than any degree, IQ or pedigree.....
 
humble.
 
That is GENUINE appeal that cannot be faked and results in a much better human being and what the scriptures summed up in the "good Samaritan."
 
Beck stumbles when he strays from that value, IMHO .....Goldberg, Walters, Olbermann, Maddow and most on the left rarely show it.
 
Few TV or radio personalities even know what it feels like to be humble. Cable news especially is not a good breeding ground for it.
 
Beck is the rare exception. He's not a journalist, but the work of those in that profession really benefit from them being humble.
May 20, 2009, 4:29:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Yes, the ladies of The View constitute quite an intellectual coterie in the minds of a particular cohort who consider liberal bromides and a tenure in front of a tv camera as the equivalent of profound scholarship.
 
By all means, Glenn, at all cost, avoid direct interactions with these intellectual colossi and their charges who sit at their feet.
 
The seriousness at which they take themselves requires any normal person within earshot to resort to removing their own appendixes or a kidney, in order to survive the tedium.
May 20, 2009, 4:53:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"that stupid fat rastafarian and that hag witch. the one "lie" beck uttered? oh, that barbara came over to him instead of glenn going over to her. that wasnt even a meaningful difference as far as a listener to the show would care."
 
There was a huge difference. Beck's whole characterization was a lie. He was painting a picture of the liberal snobby media. How they made this grand entrance ( apparently untrue) How they came over to him (admitted lie) How Barbara called him over in a shrill voice (untrue by his own admission) how they were rude to him (they were gracious by his own admission)
 
Face it the man lied in order to give his viewers their red-meat. He is a lying sack of poop.
May 20, 2009, 4:55:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"Pat, you left out the more important adjective I mentioned that actually makes anyone more valuable to his fellow man than any degree, IQ or pedigree.....
 
humble."
 
Can't say I agree there. If I am having open heart surgery, I prefer the the high IQ guy cut into me. If I am on trial, I want the high IQ lawyer, not the humble one. Nothing wrong with a degree of humility. I like humble people. But I disagree as to who is more important to there fellow man.  
 
Truth be told I'd rather replace "IQ" with "competency." either way, I'll take either over humility in the above situations.
May 20, 2009, 5:00:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
don't put yourself up against anyone who is bright and don't go against anyone you can't bully.
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Strange and a little cowardly, too.
May 20, 2009, 5:05:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley the cheerleader, not th
A Michelle Malkin appearance on FNC. Woo Hoo!
May 20, 2009, 5:07:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley the cheerleader, not th
On the Glenn Beck show, with Judge Napolitano guest-hosting, there is a countdown clock that reads "Countdown to Beck". Looks like it reaches zero about 5 minutes before the show ends.
 
Anyone know what this is about?
May 20, 2009, 5:11:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Another ratings smash for FNC.  
 
As far as MSNBC, looks like Olby got crushed again in the demo by Nancy Grace...twice!
 
Looking at Ed's ratings, it appears that it is quite possible that I was the only one on Earth who watched any portion of it yesterday.
May 20, 2009, 5:17:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I can assure you snizzle, the most pompous and arrogant of genius heart surgeons has had to face accounting for an error he/she has committed....no one is perfect. The patient (or family of the deceased) that day would be much better served by the humble, both in physical and spiritual recovery.
 
A common tragedy we see in history is the prioritization of the common commodities of intelligence, competence and even "expertise" over humanity. I recommend anyone in any professional designation (politics, journalism, medicine, teaching, law, etc) face that challenge honestly and never mess up that priority.
May 20, 2009, 5:31:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
Olby and Mandow were over a Million for a day.
 
But Today is a new day.
 
http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d123/rawr427/chaplin/img007.jpg
 
Is that water I hear?
May 20, 2009, 5:34:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If I were MSNBC, I'd get rid of Ed, move Rachel to his time slot and put a show similar to Tavis Smiley's in Rachel's slot.  
 
Host it with Carlos Watson.
May 20, 2009, 5:40:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Did anyone else notice there was no video or audio from his show of Beck saying Barbara Wa Wa came to him???
 
Only the accusation and clipped video.
May 20, 2009, 5:49:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny,
 
I've watched the Beck video three times now and I have yet to hear (in the tape The View ran of Beck discussing the encounter on his radio show) where Beck states that Walters called him over to her.
May 20, 2009, 5:52:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Did anyone else notice there was no video or audio from his show of Beck saying Barbara Wa Wa came to him???
 
Only the accusation and clipped video.
ramjet | Homepage | 05.20.09 - 5:54 pm | #  
 
Yep.
 
I'm wondering if he stated that later in the show, or if perhaps, Beck doesn't remember exactly what he said, and is taking it for granted that Walters is accurately telling him what he said.
May 20, 2009, 5:54:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Glenn made a phone appearance on the Napolitano-hosted "Glenn Beck Program" today. "The View" came up. Is that worthy of posting as video, Johnny?
May 20, 2009, 6:01:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny,
 
Is there anyway you could get the whole tape of Beck telling his radio audience about the encounter he had with Whoppi and Babba on Amtrak?
 
Beck may have never accused Walters of calling him over in the first place.
 
He certainly seem to have accurately characterized Amtrak personnel scrambling to acquire seats for the duo. They admit their own producer and his wife couldn't find any (they weren't procured any), when THEY were seated.
 
God knows these ladies did nothing on that show to dispel Beck's dead-on characterization of Babba's condescension and Whoppi's surliness.
May 20, 2009, 6:06:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Notice how schnitzle/pat doesn't criticize the view girls for shouting down Beck? :lol:
May 20, 2009, 6:45:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 05.20.09 - 6:50 pm | #  
 
It just seems crazy that it is held as "acceptable" to call Beck a "lying sack of poop" over a disagreement over who said hello to who first.
 
But I have my theories about Schnitz/ Pat, and if I am right, it all makes sense.
May 20, 2009, 7:10:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Here is my far from expert analysis.
 
From the gitgo of the gitmo segment, the Viewboarding begins with Babs intro, "Well, you may not have heard of Glenn Beck, but we invited him on the show as a "Hot Topic" because he's making a lot of noise on the Fox News Channel as the "Mad as Hell" host whose passion for the issues has sometimes brought him to tears on his cable show. Please welcome to The View Glenn Beck."
The introduction was followed immediately by Joy BayToTheWorld's opening salve, "When you cry, does that come naturally or do you have to pull a hair out of your nose."
Glenn tells the summoned to the White House story, concluding with, "I'm more nervous for this appearance than that." Barb stops everyone talking with her hand, and in the sweetest, most innocent tone of voice, asks, "Excuse me. Why are you nervous?" to which Glenn responds, "Have you looked at the way Whoopi is looking at me?"
During the laughter and cross-talk, Elizabeth chimes in with, "Buckle your seat belt, Glenn," followed by Whoopi, glaring over the top rims of her glasses, squeezes off her opening blast with, "I'm a little pissed at you." Babs then let's a little kitty out of the bag with, "We were not going to start on this, but you have two of us...to deal with.....this happened AFTER you were booked Glenn."
 
In less than 90 seconds, the interro[r]gation is underway.
 
(to be continued)
May 20, 2009, 7:12:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Excellent suggestion MikeC. Just added it. Worth viewing, people.
May 20, 2009, 7:30:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Notice how schnitzle/pat doesn't criticize the view girls for shouting down Bec
 
I also didn't complain about Bill O'Reilly shouting down guests. Nor did I complain about long lines at the supermarket or pain in my joints. I didn't do that because I was responding to the idea that Beck only told one tiny little lie. So I build a case he told more.
May 20, 2009, 7:41:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"But I have my theories about Schnitz/ Pat, and if I am right, it all makes sense."
 
I'm pretty sure they are wrong.
May 20, 2009, 7:42:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"In less than 90 seconds, the interro[r]gation is underway."
 
Well, if he did lie (and they sure seem to be operating from that point of view) wouldn't you expect them to be a little angry?
May 20, 2009, 7:44:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
(cont)
 
Whoopi tells her story and introduces the prepackaged video with, "...I gave you a look like I gave you just now....and so...that was all fine, we got off the train and we went on our merry way. The following Monday, I got this link from somebody, sent to me, really pissed me off because I...I would, I don't want to just say, 'Glenn Beck, you lied, but, let's just..."
Glenn interjects, "How did I lie?" Whoopi, "Let's take a look."
 
The video of The Glenn Beck (radio) Program begins at 2:10. At 2:35, the video is clipped. At 2:47, it's clipped again. ***At 2:55, the video is clipped, this time, with any inculpatory or exculpatory evidence ediited out of whether or not Glenn commited the crime of saying that Ms. Walters came over to him***
Note that Whoopi is included in the radio program video as also conversing with Glenn, but there is no mention of Glenn saying Whoopi came over with Ba Ba to Glenn.
 
At this point, as Glenn tries to speak, "you're accusing me of lying. Let me tell you what-" Ms Goldberg shouts Glenn down with, "NO, NO, NO. YOU DID LIE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M ACCUSING YOU? YOU SAT THERE AND YOU WERE A LYING SACK OF DOG MESS!...C'mon man, you lied."
 
At the close of the 7:30 segment, just before Ms. Walters, says, "I'm sure that you meant well. wW're going to give you another segment, behind Glenn's back, Whoopit turns to the audeince, puts her finger in her mouth like it's a gun and shoots it.
May 20, 2009, 7:58:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"Did anyone else notice there was no video or audio from his show of Beck saying Barbara Wa Wa came to him???"
 
I don't think that was ever disputed. The dispute is over beck claiming that barbara called him, when in fact he went over and approached barbara presumably speaking first.
May 20, 2009, 7:59:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Shizzel
"God knows these ladies did nothing on that show to dispel Beck's dead-on characterization of Babba's condescension and Whoppi's surliness."
 
Well according to Glenn Beck, he mischaracterized Barbara.
May 20, 2009, 8:13:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
(cont.)
 
I was listening to the GB radio show in question, and to my old-fuddy-duddy, fuddled brain, my recollection of the pretty pertinent part of the program that was purged (possibly, purposely?) has Glenn saying he noticed Ms. Walters looking at him from her table, that he wasn't sure if she was actually looking at him or staring through him, which he said happens to him a lot, and that he decided to get up, go over to Ms. Walters and introduce himself. It is at this point, I believe, that the edited tape picks up with Glenn saying, "Now, as the train took off...and Barbara said, 'Glenn Beck'...." with Glen doing his voice that's a compilation of Bette Davis, Kathrine Hepburn, Jack Benny and Bela Lugosi.  
 
Now obviously, I could be making the whole thing up, lying through my teeth and bismirching the lovely and gracious Whoopi Walters & Ba Ba Goldberg tag-team, good cop/bad cop interro[r]gators because, as we all know, I have an agenda.  
May 20, 2009, 8:26:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


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shizzle | 05.20.09 - 8:04 pm | #
Shizzel | 05.20.09 - 8:18 pm | #
 
Oh look, snizz's big brother came out to play! Snizzle, if you read ramjet's comprehensive synopsis you'd agree that the View ladies didn't prove that Glenn was a liar. All they did was act immature and catty, which they happen to excel at (sans Elizabeth).
 
I am extremely disappointed in the regulars here. Not a word about Claman's picture!
May 20, 2009, 8:37:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
don't think that was ever disputed. The dispute is over beck claiming that barbara called him, when in fact he went over and approached barbara presumably speaking first.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 8:04 pm | #  
 
The point is no where on the video that aired on The View, does Beck make the claim that Barbara "called" him over to have an audience with her.
 
I think the entire thing is not a matter of "lies" but of Glenn not being exactly sure what he said on his radio show, and assuming that what Whoppi and Barbara (they could be operating under a misperceptions) say that he said, is factual.
 
The charge needs to be clear. Is that Glenn implied Barbara spoke to him first, or is that difference between Glenn implying that Glenn directly said that Walters called him over across the train to have an audience with her?
May 20, 2009, 8:40:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
God knows these ladies did nothing on that show to dispel Beck's dead-on characterization of Babba's condescension and Whoppi's surliness."
 
Well according to Glenn Beck, he mischaracterized Barbara.
Shizzel | 05.20.09 - 8:18 pm | #  
 
Glenn didn't say he mischaracterized Whoppi's and Barbara's attitudes (In fact, Whoppi admits she's was initially sour.)  
 
What Glenn says (or admits) is that he was the person who spoke first in the encounter.
May 20, 2009, 8:43:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"The video of The Glenn Beck (radio) Program begins at 2:10. At 2:35, the video is clipped. At 2:47, it's clipped again. ***"
 
Maybe at some point we'll get to see the entire video, because the clip used on The View does not show Glenn saying that Walters called him over.  
 
In fact, his description of their exchange in that clip, does nothing to belie the fact that he spoke to Barbara first.
 
I think the ladies PERCEIVED it that way, and Glenn, not remembering exactly what he did say, assumed that he may have "misspoken" on his radio show.
May 20, 2009, 8:50:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Oh sniz! The Judge, Gutfeld, Malkin, and Ron Paul all on in the same hour? I died and went to heaven!!! :+:
May 20, 2009, 9:05:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
he charge needs to be clear. Is that Glenn implied Barbara spoke to him first, or is that difference between Glenn implying that Glenn directly said that Walters called him over across the train to have an audience with her?
Cecelia | 05.20.09 - 8:45 pm | #  
 
I sure made a hash in the above.
 
To be clear-- no where in the clip shown on The View, does Glenn SAY that Barbara initiated contact with him first.
 
Unless Glenn directly says that she did, on a portion of the tape that was not shown, the ladies must believe that Glenn IMPLIED that Barbara had, in his remarks.
 
Glenn is likely saying that he should have been more clear in what he did say.
 
Inadvertent implications do NOT add up to a "lying sack" of anything.
May 20, 2009, 9:15:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I am extremely disappointed in the regulars here. Not a word about Claman's picture!
Fox Fan | Homepage | 05.20.09 - 8:42 pm | #
 
No need to say a word, been staring at it all day!
May 20, 2009, 9:38:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"Oh look, snizz's big brother came out to play! Snizzle, if you read ramjet's comprehensive synopsis you'd agree that the View ladies didn't prove that Glenn was a liar. All they did was act immature and catty, which they happen to excel at (sans Elizabeth)."
 
I did read it and I most certainly don't agree. Beck agreed, his version of the story was wrong. I rely on his word.
May 20, 2009, 9:52:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Glenn didn't say he mischaracterized Whoppi's and Barbara's attitudes (In fact, Whoppi admits she's was initially sour.)  
 
right after beck was shown the clip he says: "mischaracterization. mischaracterization of you miss Walters I'm sorry for (in audible)"
 
So he certainly admitted to micharacterizing Barbara. He goes on to agree with Barbara walters that she was very nice to him.
May 20, 2009, 9:58:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Maybe at some point we'll get to see the entire video, because the clip used on The View does not show Glenn saying that Walters called him over.  
 
"In fact, his description of their exchange in that clip, does nothing to belie the fact that he spoke to Barbara first."
 
No it wouldn't because he did speak to her first. On his show he claimed she called to him in a snotty voice. Well his impression was that of a snotty voice, which he later claimed to mischaracterize.
May 20, 2009, 10:01:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"Oh sniz! The Judge, Gutfeld, Malkin, and Ron Paul all on in the same hour? I died and went to heaven!!! "
 
You talk alot for a dead person.
May 20, 2009, 10:02:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Oh look, snizz's big brother came out to play!
 
Wow very clever. You have demonstrated that I posted with a capital and a lower case "s" And you actually took the time to comment on it. First rate mate.
May 20, 2009, 10:08:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"be clear-- no where in the clip shown on The View, does Glenn SAY that Barbara initiated contact with him first.
 
Unless Glenn directly says that she did, on a portion of the tape that was not shown, the ladies must believe that Glenn IMPLIED that Barbara had, in his remarks.
 
Glenn is likely saying that he should have been more clear in what he did say.
 
Inadvertent implications do NOT add up to a "lying sack" of anything."
 
Seems like the charge being leveled against Beck ( and it is somewhat difficult to tell) is that they feel the story of them reserving seats was false. I am surmising here, but Barbara tells him she had a very hard time finding seats, and then repeatedly asks beck if he checks his facts. he then says the conducter tells him he is going to be excited to see who is on the train etc... Again I am surmising on this point but the The ladies feel beck should have checked on the story to see if it was true. beck's defense is that he doesn't check facts, he is a commentator.  
 
That is what is seems to me is happening. Also it seems curious that Beck, said Steve Craw (I believe that was the last name) had seats reserved with barbara Walters, Walters claim Craw had no seat and sat seperate from his wife. Beck does not deny this.
 
As for who initated the conversation Beck on his radio show says: "the train is going and Barbara says" (in nasal voice snooty voice) "Glen Beck" he then replies like he is annoyed to have to respond "yes Barbara"  
 
Beck seems to make the encounter out as though he was sitting minding his own business and Barbara spoke to him to which he reluctantly replied.  
 
When in fact he went to her and by his own admission they had a nice conversation. He admitted to micharacterizing the whole thing. I think it is pretty reasonable to say he was dishonest.
May 20, 2009, 10:34:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 9:57 pm | #
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shizzle | 05.20.09 - 10:06 pm | #
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 10:07 pm | #
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 10:13 pm | #
 
5 posts in a row.

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May 20, 2009, 10:50:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I rely on his (becks) word.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 9:57 pm | # 
 
Face it the man (beck) lied in order to give his viewers their red-meat. He is a lying sack of poop.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 5:00 pm | # 
 
Can you decipher this?
May 20, 2009, 11:11:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
I did read it and I most certainly don't agree. Beck . I rely on his word.
shizzle @9:57 pm
 
Please be specific as to what you disagree with in my synopsis, citing any quote or verifying any claim to support your conclusion. Please show where he "agreed, his version of the story was wrong" and if you "rely on his word," it would be appropriate for you to cite those words.
 
Beck was accused of lying by the bad cop and was asked why he lied by humorous side-kick. He asked, "How did I lie?" The bad cop replies, "Let's take a look."
 
The altered video is shown and reveals absolutely NO evidence Beck lied. Glen did apologize for the voice he used to characterize the good cop. The video does not show that Glenn said Walters spoke to him first, or that he ever said he was approached by her, or that he lied about anything.
 
I have a sincere question for you shizzle. If the entire audio, or video or transcript shows that Glenn did not lie, and that The View Truth Squad was mistaken and falsely accused the man of lying, will you admit your mistake? And just in case you're wondering if I would do the same, yes, I absolutely would.
May 20, 2009, 11:31:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
fROM: shizzle @ 10:39 pm 
Beck seems to make the encounter out as though he was sitting minding his own business and Barbara spoke to him to which he reluctantly replied. [ONLY IN AN EDITED VIDEO THAT DOESN'T SHOW WHAT HE SAID PRIOR TO THAT STATEMENT, AND ONLY TO SOMEONE WHO IS INCLINED TO BELIEVE ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OR IS INCLINED TO BELIEVE BECK IS A LIAR.]
 
When in fact he went to her and by his own admission they had a nice conversation. He admitted to micharacterizing the whole thing.
~~~[HE ADMITTED NO SUCH THING. HE APOLOGIZED FOR THE VOICE HE USED TO MISCHARACTERIZE MS. WALTERS, NOTHING ELSE]~~~
I think it is pretty reasonable to say he was dishonest. 
~~~[NO SURPRIZE THERE. i THINK IT IS FACTUAL TO SAY YOU ARE MISTAKEN.]
May 20, 2009, 11:45:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK gang, you asked for it here it is. The clip of Glenn Beck describing the Amtrak incident on his radio program. Now I haven't listened to it, only just a few seconds to make sure it's the right clip. Mainly because I don't have the time, I haven't watched the View segment, and also because I think an argument about who spoke first is pretty silly. But here it is, and you can all chew on it to your hearts' content:
 
http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=337003
May 21, 2009, 12:00:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"agreed, his version of the story was wrong" and if you "rely on his word," it would be appropriate for you to cite those words."
 
In his version of the story he characterizes Barbara as a witch with that creepy voice he does. He admits it was a misrepresentation of how their conversation went. in essance agreeing he was untruthful about how she behaved.
 
"The altered video is shown and reveals absolutely NO evidence Beck lied."
 
That depends on what the lie was. If he is claiming they had seats reserved for them and they did not, then he is lying or just wrong. The best defense he seems to muster is that he is not responsible for facts because he is a commentator.
 
"The video does not show that Glenn said Walters spoke to him firsty, or that
 
In his radio show he starts the interaction with Barbara talking to him. he neglected to mention he started the conversation. That is a lie of ommision. He admits in the video he went to talk to her: Beck: "No No. you didn't I came over to you"
 
"he never said he was approached by her, or that he liedabout anything."
 
Why then did he not dispute her characterization? Barbara said "You said I came over to you" to which he replied "No. No. I came to you" he basically backs up her assesment of the situation instead of saying "That is not what I said" it is pretty obvious he was not telling the truth about it. 
 
"I have a sincere question for you shizzle. If the entire audio, or video or transcript shows that Glenn did not lie, and that The View Truth Squad was mistaken and falsely accused the man of lying, will you admit your mistake? "
 
There is no way it could. the only way you could prove anything would be to get a video recording of the actual train ride. Otherwise it is just two accounts of the story. But gimme the link and I will look at it with an open mind. 
 
"[ONLY IN AN EDITED VIDEO THAT DOESN'T SHOW WHAT HE SAID PRIOR TO THAT STATEMENT, AND ONLY TO SOMEONE WHO IS INCLINED TO BELIEVE ACCUSATIONS WITHOUT EVIDENCE OR IS INCLINED TO BELIEVE BECK IS A LIAR.]"
 
If you have what he said before, and believe it provides context. Then by all means quote it. I am inclined to believe Beck is a liar, because, he apologized for how he portrayed Walters, which indicates he was less than truthful in the potrayal. he admits he doesn't check the facts of his stories and he did not dispute Barbara when she said beck claimed she went to him and instead supported it saying "No no. I came to you"
 
When in fact he went to her and by his own admission they had a nice conversation. He admitted to
 
micharacterizing the whole thing.
"~~~[HE ADMITTED NO SUCH THING. HE APOLOGIZED FOR THE VOICE HE USED TO MISCHARACTERIZE MS. WALTERS, NOTHING ELSE]~~~"
 
barbara: I was very nice to you.
Beck: Yes you were"
 
"~~~[NO SURPRIZE THERE. i THINK IT IS FACTUAL TO SAY YOU ARE MISTAKEN.]"
 
I think it is factual to say you are wrong.
May 21, 2009, 12:34:50 AM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"5 posts in a row."
 
And I posted with a lower and upper case "s." Nothing gets by you.
May 21, 2009, 12:35:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I am inclined to believe Beck is a liar,
shizzle | 05.21.09 - 12:39 am | # 
 
I rely on his (becks) word.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 9:57 pm | # 
 
:?:
May 21, 2009, 1:29:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Yeah, Johnnie. I finally found the video on youtube:
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7gdujG5qm4
 
There is a peculiar freeze frame at 2:57, just prior to Glenn saying, "Now as the train took off...and Barbara said, 'Glenn Beck'..."
 
Now, it's possible my recollection is mistaken, and if it is, and I was wrong, I'll gladly admit it and offer any appropriate apologies. Yet there is something else that troubles me about this. Even assuming the absence of any "bright blue scrotum" shenanigans, there is still no lie, and certainly nothing to justify, ""NO, NO, NO. YOU DID LIE. WHAT DO YOU MEAN I'M ACCUSING YOU? YOU SAT THERE AND YOU WERE A LYING SACK OF DOG MESS!"
 
And at this point, raising the old canard of a "lie of omission" is ludicrous. A lie of omission is to remain silent when ethical behavior calls for one to speak up. A lie of omission is a method of deception and duplicity. Being deceptive about who spoke to whom first does not gain anyone an advantage. Who spoke first is irrelevent to the story and doesn't prejudice anyone.
 
Now, let's take a look at some real lies: "In his version of the story he characterizes Barbara as a witch with that creepy voice he does. He admits it was a misrepresentation of how their conversation went. in essance agreeing he was untruthful about how she behaved." 
Three statements, three lies.
 
Next: I said, ""The altered video is shown and reveals absolutely NO evidence Beck lied." True! [And neither does the most recent video.]
 
shizzle, "That depends on what the lie was." False! Convoluted logic. There was no lie. Claiming that whether or not someone is lying depends on "what the lie was," takes oxymoron to new heights. Besides, the lie he was accused of making was that he said Ms. Walters came to him. He did not say that. End of story.
 
More of the same: "Why then did he not dispute her characterization? Barbara said 'You said I came over to you' to which he replied 'No. No. I came to you' he basically backs up her assesment of the situation instead of saying "That is not what I said" it is pretty obvious he was not telling the truth about it." 
BS! Barbara's assessment of the situation was that Glenn said she came over to him. He did not. She was mistaken. End of story.
 
Wacky thinking: "he admits he doesn't check the facts of his stories and he did not dispute Barbara when she said beck claimed she went to him and instead supported it saying "No no. I came to you"
 
He did not admit "he doesn't check the facts of his stories. He declared he wasn't a reporter. You lied. And you lied again. He did dispute Barbara "when she said beck claimed she went to him." Do you wonder why he disputed her? BECAUSE HE NEVER SAID WHAT BA BA SAID HE SAID! End of story.
 
All parties agree on what took place on the train. The accusation of lying is based upon Glenn saying something on his radio program that he never said. End of story.
 
BTW, just wondering. What's your take on Whoopi's gun in mouth act? Funny?
May 21, 2009, 3:07:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Shizzle seems to think a quick comment on his posting frequency and use of capital letters deserves derision based on the lack of importance of such observations but thinks two ladies insulted by someone making fun of their obvious pretentiousness is defendable.
 
Priorities.
 
Secondly, Beck admitted to the lie, then he was not given an ounce of grace for facing that error by Goldberg as she talked over another part of his defending the remainder of the train encounter, including the most amuzing part of it all...the saving of seats for the important group of ladies.
 
Thirdly, Snizzle seems to think THE VIEW ladies' image of tolerant and kind progressives who would be fine with sitting apart from eachother and sitting with the common folk on a busy public train needs multiple posts of stale attacks on one of their invited guests trying to make light of it all with one simple error (termed in the worst of ways....a lie).
 
Fourthly, Beck seems all the more likeable to me....anyone who is mistreated by the 3 lady botox team (judge, jury and executioner) of THE VIEW make my list of likeable....including Ms. McCain, Mr. McCain, Mr. O'Reilly and Mr. Beck.
 
Lastly, being ungracious and over sensitive to criticism are not endearing....even in cardiac surgeons. Walters, Goldberg, and Behar can't even save a life to make up for those character flaws in snizzle's moral paradigm. They better get crackin'.
May 21, 2009, 7:02:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
shizzle | 05.21.09 - 12:40 am | #
 
Sorry, it should have read 6 in a row but your last post hadn't shown up yet. My main point didn't get by you since it was edited by siteowner. BTW, you're being disingenuous with the lower/upper "s", you also translocated the "le".
May 21, 2009, 7:14:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply


alicia
I think what matters is that he went on his radio show and made a story out of this train ride. He was saying that they were being elite people who had reserved seats. They have friendly conversations on the train or at least civil conversations and then he talks smack about the two ladies on his show. Two faced Beck just throwing red meat to his listeners. Yep a rodeo clown.
May 21, 2009, 8:09:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I am extremely disappointed in the regulars here. Not a word about Claman's picture!
Fox Fan | Homepage | 05.20.09 - 8:42 pm | #
 
I was too busy drooling.
May 21, 2009, 8:20:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
alicia | 05.21.09 - 8:14 am | # 
 
alicia,
 
What's your take on Whoopi's behind Glenn's back, gun in the mouth schtick?
May 21, 2009, 9:58:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
""And at this point, raising the old canard of a "lie of omission" is ludicrous. A lie of omission is to remain silent when ethical behavior calls for one to speak up. A lie of omission is a method of deception and duplicity. Being deceptive about who spoke to whom first does not gain anyone an advantage. Who spoke first is irrelevent to the story and doesn't prejudice anyone."
 
Lie:
 
1. A false statement deliberately presented as being true; a falsehood.
2. Something meant to deceive or give a wrong impression.
 
Clearly he is guilty of the second by his own admission. He admitted to mirepresenting Barbara. Which was meant to give his listenrs the wrong impression. That fits definition 2. It was a lie. End of story. Check our own dictionary if you disbelieve me. 
 
"Now, let's take a look at some real lies: "In his version of the story he characterizes Barbara as a witch with that creepy voice he does. He admits it was a misrepresentation of how their conversation went. in essance agreeing he was untruthful about how she behaved." 
Three statements, three lies."
 
No lies at all. He certainly puts on a voice when doing barbara it sounds pejorative. if you deny that you are lying yourself or are you so desperate to prove Beck innocent?
 
"Next: I said, ""The altered video is shown and reveals absolutely NO evidence Beck lied." True! [And neither does the most recent video.]"
 
Not true.
 
"Besides, the lie he was accused of making was that he said Ms. Walters came to him. He did not say that. End of story."
 
Uh no. Watch the video. it is clear there is more going on than just who approached who first. There is disagreement about whether or not special accomedations were made. 
 
More of the same: "Why then did he not dispute her characterization? Barbara said 'You said I came over to you' to which he replied 'No. No. I came to you' he basically backs up her assesment of the situation instead of saying "That is not what I said" it is pretty obvious he was not telling the truth about it." 
 
"BS! Barbara's assessment of the situation was that Glenn said she came over to him. He did not. She was mistaken. End of story."
 
Bull. If that were the case he would have said it. End of story. instead he agreed.
 
"He did not admit "he doesn't check the facts of his stories. He declared he wasn't a reporter. You lied. And you lied again. 
 
Bull again. Barbara asked him if he checks his facts. He says he is a commentator. As though that excuses him for not checking his facts. End of story. 
 
"He did dispute Barbara "when she said beck claimed she went to him." Do you wonder why he disputed her? BECAUSE HE NEVER SAID WHAT BA BA SAID HE SAID! End of story."
 
Please provide evidence of this a quote. I do not see it on the video. I think you are lying. 
 
"All parties agree on what took place on the train. 
 
Agreed The girls said said beck lied about what happend on the train and beck agreed. End of story. 
 
"The accusation of lying is based upon Glenn saying something on his radio program that he never said. End of story.""
 
Yep, and he misled the audeince into thinking barba spoke to him first. that's a lie. See the definiton above. 
 
"BTW, just wondering. What's your take on Whoopi's gun in mouth act? Funny?"
 
Not as funny as the tears of a clown act Beck does.
May 21, 2009, 2:32:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
"BTW, you're being disingenuous with the lower/upper "s", you also translocated the "le"."
 
Wow. really wow. And you managed to catch that. amazing. it's like a circus act. Someone "translocated" the "le" and you caught it. by yourself. If I ever need someone to make sure my paint is drying correctly, I'll hire you for the job. You have proved your qualifications.
May 21, 2009, 2:36:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Cee: "Secondly, Beck admitted to the lie, then he was not given an ounce of grace for facing that error by Goldberg as she talked over another part of his defending the remainder of the train encounter, including the most amuzing part of it all...the saving of seats for the important group of ladies."
 
Hey Ramjet, I think Cee thinks you are lying.
May 21, 2009, 2:37:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Guest
I am inclined to believe Beck is a liar,
shizzle | 05.21.09 - 12:39 am | #
 
I rely on his (becks) word.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 9:57 pm | #
May 21, 2009, 3:17:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Go to 3:35 when Behar interrogates Mr. Beck and he agrees with the characterization....that is what I meant....the "who came over to whom" lie....AND OOOOH, IT WAS A BIGGIE! (sarcasm)
 
Behar even asks, "Did you have a brain fart, aw wha?" Beck agrees....again, humbly, probably thinking that's all the blood the dearies were going to require......wrong.....
 
The rest?....Well I think THE VIEW ladies were not very gracious to Beck after he admitted to that lie. They filibustered his explaination of the rest of the details which I think are "he said, she said," but with that initial "gotcha," Beck's credibility is hurt and the sharks have gone in.
 
Hense, my advice above, which shizzle incorrectly characterized.
 
BTW, shizzle, the aspect of reserving the seats is DENIED by Goldberg just after the exchange I mentioned above, and is where she becomes absolutely indignant....Again, the ladies being accused of being pretentious celebrities is what ticked them off....go ahead and defend them over that slight until the cows come home....you're welcomed to it.
May 21, 2009, 3:34:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Again, the ladies being accused of being pretentious celebrities is what ticked them off.
 
Bingo, they lied about having reserved seats. They clearly did.
May 21, 2009, 4:17:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Cee. it seems apparent you are just incapable of admitting the LSDM Beck was wrong. I'm pretty sure if he was to club a baby seal for the sheer fun of it, you would find away to rationalize it away as an unfair attack of the liberal media. You have your world view which you are unwiling to part with no matter what, and that is your right I suppose. However since it seems certain, that no evidence or reason will sway you I will leave you to your dogma.
May 21, 2009, 4:29:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
If I were shizzle, I would avoid, at all costs, watching the 5PM EST Glenn Beck Program on FNC.
 
It appears my old-fuddy-duddy, fuddled brain isn't so fuddled after all.
May 21, 2009, 4:30:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


shizzle
Normaly, I would be annoyed and offended that facts and reason are not changing your mind cee and Ramjet or that you think I should accept beck's day after spin, as evidence over what his actions were on the view. I've also been pretty anoyed in the past at the level of hypocrosy I often see here. The attack on MSNBC using one set of standards versus the defense of Fox that ignores the standards used on MSNBC.
 
So carry on! I know Beck will forever, be blameless of anything in your minds. I must leave for now.

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May 21, 2009, 5:05:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Guest
I've also been pretty anoyed in the past at the level of hypocrosy I often see here.
 
shizzle | 05.21.09 - 5:10 pm | #
 
I am inclined to believe Beck is a liar,
shizzle | 05.21.09 - 12:39 am | #
 
I rely on his (becks) word.
shizzle | 05.20.09 - 9:57 pm | #
 
:lol:
May 21, 2009, 5:39:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"The attack on MSNBC using one set of standards versus the defense of Fox that ignores the standards used on MSNBC." -snizzle
 
Snizzle, if you're so concerned about sets of standards being different here for MSNBC and FNC, allow me to direct you to a place that will be guaranteed to irk you to ire even more. 
 
Enter Daily Kos, where MSNBC hosts officially post and FNC is not just hated, but its commenters frequently invoke the fatalities of FNC hosts. 
 
That level of hypocritical rhetoric far exceeds what is even allowed to be posted here, so if your outrage! is sincere and unfettered by bias I'm sure you'll go there to express even greater outrage! 
 
I'm not saying two wrongs make a right, and yes, we all know this is a pro-FNC site, but if you are truly bothered by the imbalance of standards here then you'd be guaranteed to be on your way to troll Daily Kos the moment you realized the heightened level of imbalance there.
 
Unless, of course, you judge balance based on a heavily skewed ideology, in which case your outrage! is flat out pretense.
May 22, 2009, 7:14:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply