1/6/09 12:37 PM

Weekend Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the weekend]:

Greta: more North Korea pix.

Q&A: Dennis Miller.

Janice Dean's vacation pix.

Sunday talkers. HuffPo's recap.

St Paul, MN: building the big tent.

Fox Business Network boasts: "no games!" But it's still "stupid"?

CNN spam virus continues to mutate.

MSNBC mum on flag-flip flap.

Fox & Friends Weekend: so-so or "excellent"?

Is Fareed Zakaria a corporate shill?!

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply.

Mike C.
I clicked on a link in one of the early fake-CNN spams. It was the unsubscribe link. More fake-CNN spams have shown up in my spam box, but I delete them all.
August 9, 2008, 1:06:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply

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August 9, 2008, 1:52:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I just read a provocative article that suggests that the Edwards story may be linked to the death of the influence of the old media.
Back in the bad old days when the media acted more as a monopoly, the media was free to go after negative stories about people they did not like and give a pass to the people they did.  
For example: Many stories about John Kennedy escapades never saw the light of day because the media liked JFK. If he had been someone they disliked, they would have pilloried him.
Hopefully, the advent of cable news and the internet and other news providers has destroyed (or is in the process of destroying) the monopoly that once existed, making the reporting of news more competitive.
I realize that, in this case, a very suspect tabloid, THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER, originally broke the story. However, the alternative media (cable news; bloggers; talk radio) did a good job of separating the one valid story from a number of other false stories run by NE. The pressure mounted, until ABC persuaded Edwards to be more honest about his affair.
The may mean that a monopolistic, like-minded, media wolf pack can no longer decide what gets reported and what doesn't. They can't (for political reasons) decide who gets throughly investigated and who gets a pass. Perhaps we are entering (fiinally!!) a world where the same standard applies to all.  
That I think is a good thing.
August 9, 2008, 2:36:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
FBN may not have "the games," but Cablevision doesn't have FBN. So, we Cablevision customers are unable to give the network "a twirl." And considering that they added 15 HD channels just last week, they're in no rush to add another channel plus its HD counterpart.
August 9, 2008, 3:12:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Since MSNBC was doing the games this morning, I tuned in F&F for a time. SHE did a fair job. HE and HE are absurd. Drop HE and HE, and FNC may just have a good show.
August 9, 2008, 4:19:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Blogs... cable news culture....who cares... RIght now things are on standby until Steve Doocy shows couched disrespect to Obama by scratching his left nostril while uttering his name, or when Bill O'Reilly sends out covert threats to Nancy Pelosi by slapping his fists on the table or some Republican gets caught in a sexual peccadillo too.
Then we'll see long plaintive posts making oh so Socratic arguments about how disgraceful this FNC personality is... and no, I'm not biased because I wouldn't say this about this other FNC personality (roles of FNC personalities be switched in the next week's argument). If it's a sexual peccadillo from a conservative, we'll get the brilliant analysis that such things are common, but still "right wingers" are innately predisposed to this sort of hypocrisy....etc...etc...
Until, Gretchen Carlson or Sen So-and-So do something unforgivable, and the dogs of war descend upon us the hour after, enjoy your weekend, Danny.

August 9, 2008, 5:24:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
At first, I bought into the "Dave and Clayton are dumb idiot dolts that don't belong anywhere near FNC" mindset. Lately, I've become more accepting to them. I still don't watch "F&F" on the weekends, but outside of the roundtable opinion shows (i.e. "The Beltway Boys," "Fox News Watch"), I hardly watch anything on the weekends unless I'm bored, have nothing else to watch, or the topic isn't the Anthony family saga. But back to Dave and Clayton. Yes, Clayton is a Phillies fan (they, their fans, and their play-by-play announcers are the devil to me) and Dave is a Patriots fan (see Phillies), but they're good guys, funny guys. Still, to use sports terminology, they're rookies work best among veterans.
August 9, 2008, 5:34:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

We might all hope your scenario plays out, Cecelia. With events in Russia and Georgia, who knows what we'll be doing? We have a business project which is suppose to start in the region Monday, week, and no one has a clue what to expect. Television news coverage has been terrible, all the broadcast and cable outlets are just awful. Maybe, if it weren't the weekend, we'd be doing better, but the consequences of this could be terrible for Western Europe and the States. Natural gas cut offs from Russia to the EU alone could be catastrophic. Thank God (or Al Gore) for streaming news from Germany and the UK. I do, by the way, understand, casualties are very high in some locations. Fortunately, I suppose, it is all contained in a small region. Let's pray for it to stay that way and let's pray for the victims. And let's hope someone decides August, or not, the weekend or not, maybe this warrants some air time.
August 9, 2008, 5:39:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
When will MSNBC claim it's nielson #'s covering the Olympics translate to a bounce back for it's pathetic prime time programing. Any guesses?
August 9, 2008, 5:41:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I meant to write "they're rookies that work best among veterans."
August 9, 2008, 5:51:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
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August 9, 2008, 6:33:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

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August 9, 2008, 7:15:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I don't want to get sidetracked onto a discussion of the Edwards affair. But you can discuss the coverage of it, or lack thereof, all you want.
August 9, 2008, 7:20:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

"...you can discuss the coverage of it, or lack thereof, all you want."
If this was a Republican senator we were talking about, the "big 3" networks would be ALL OVER the story.  
I just wonder how people who only watch "network" news can make an informed decision when voting in November? I just hope people are watching ALL of the cable news channels as well as the network news, in order to make the proper decision on who to vote for....
BTW to keep this on topic, I saw this morning's F&F Weekend. Aly is SUCH a welcome face! I'm glad she's there. The guys are doing a bit better, with her there to guide them. But I still wish for the days of Greg K. or Kelly W. Guess with some more time, and Aly's good sense, things may continue to get better. We can hope so.
August 9, 2008, 8:02:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Yeah guys, let's stay focused on cable news!

August 9, 2008, 8:41:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Your are correct about Kelly. He is professional, and such a good balance between the seriousness of news and the lightness of the morning.
The CNN virus is a real killer. One of my colleagues opened it on an unprotected laptop. The laptop had to be completely purged. We seem to have gotten remarkably similar viruses from a bogus UPS address and a bogus mortgage company.
August 9, 2008, 9:12:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Did anyone see a crawl on CNN saying that Clinton was going to be asked to be nominated? I had a call from a couple of people who say it. It's been taken down, and no word of it on CNN or any other cable news or political site. Maybe just an overly-eager intern. Seems to happen fairly often.
August 9, 2008, 9:35:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
The CNN virus does some nasty stuff- this is from Sophos Antivirus' site in the description- http://www.sophos.com/security/analyses/viruses-and-spyware/w32crowta.html
"W32/Crowt-A connects by default on port 80 to cocoazul.ath.cx and listens for for instructions from a remote user. These include changing the configuration-related registers above, sending information about the infected computer, sending the user's Windows address book, downloading files from remote locations and executing them, deleting files, rebooting the infected computer, setting up a command prompt that the remote user can control, acting as a proxy server, deleting files from the Windows cookies folder, popping up a messagebox, listing and terminating processes, sending emails from the infected computer, logging the user's keystrokes, or acting as an email virus. Some of these actions take place even without prompting from a remote user."
August 9, 2008, 9:53:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> Maybe just an overly-eager intern. Seems to happen fairly often.
Seems to me a few days ago you were claiming that such on-screen verbiage was evidence of a deliberate intent, and pooh-poohed the notion of an underling's mistake. Oh wait that was on Fox. Sorry, my mistake.
August 9, 2008, 10:32:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Yes, it is what you call irony. There is a bit of a lack of quality control, a bit of a lack of accountability. All around.
August 9, 2008, 11:01:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

There is a bit of a lack of quality control, a bit of a lack of accountability. All around.
Mark | 08.09.08 - 11:06 pm | #
I'd be interested in what you consider "accountability."
People are demoted, fired or not hired again if freelance.  
Ethical networks, producers and on-air talent admit mistakes, correct them and apologize ON AIR.
Unethical networks, producers and on-air talent ignore their mistakes, never admit when they're wrong and the concept of an ON AIR apology never enters their mind.
Examples of both are available upon request.
August 10, 2008, 12:28:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Wow! Disabled and a racist. Nice combo.
August 10, 2008, 5:05:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply

yep | 08.10.08 - 5:10 am  
August 10, 2008, 5:28:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
vstol, don't expect a rational answer. It's our resident troll. Anyone that disagrees with his word view is a racist.
August 10, 2008, 12:20:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Still scratching my head over the small and poorly researched amount of news on Russia-Georgia. F&F was much more into Edwards, or so it seemed to me. CNN was much more into the Olympic related news. The panel on "This Week" did an excellent job talking about why this, Russia-Georgia, is THE news story. During Zakaria, CNN got much more serious, at least crawl-wise, about Russia-Georgia. I split screened and went over to FNC, and the story was "Botox Brides". Now, before we get knickers in a knot, before the shrillness begins, I acknowledge it could have been just as likely to have happened the other way. I am not being critical of FNC except as part or an over-all criticism of US cable news in this matter. Poor performance ALL.
August 10, 2008, 2:15:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I really enjoyed the Q&A with Dennis Miller. I really enjoyed him on SNL, but I think he even funnier today.
DM is one of the few graduates of SNL who has actually IMPROVED (gotten funnier) with age.
Mike Myers is an excellent contrast to DM. Once upon a time, Myers was funny. But as witness his last movie and his last Austin Powers debacle, he has lost it. He makes a mistake that some other comedy failures have made (notably Michael Richards). He seems to confuse outrageous with funny. While outrageous things can sometimes be funny; not everything outrageous thing is.  
Myers also does not seem to realize that it is in fact possible to make a reference to sexual organs and the sexual act without being funny.
Miller's comedy is not flashy. He'll say something like "I am not racist. Why would you hate somebody because of the color of their skin, when if you just get to know them . . . "
Miller's comedy not outrageous and he hardly ever mentions sexual organs, but his comedy stands while the efforts of lesser comedians melts away.
August 10, 2008, 3:28:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
I caught a little Fox News this morning and I saw plenty of the Georgia-Russia news. Are you saying because it didn't happen to be on in the few seconds you watched it wasn't covered at all? Did Russia not pull out? Nothing to see here, move along.
August 10, 2008, 3:31:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I just read that anti-FBN article. The guy that wrote it works for News Corp. (or at least, according to his bio, writes a humor column for Marketwatch). Plus, the guy had nothing new to say.
August 10, 2008, 3:35:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply

No question that Fox has done a good job of covering the GR war. Dollar has provided more than enough evidence to demonstrate that is the case.
August 10, 2008, 3:37:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Friday afternoon I was surfing the 4 cable news networks, keeping abreast of the news of the day. Everyone was promoting the imminent release of Edwards's statement.
I was watching Fox as the anchor, an attractive young lady whose name excapes me, was conducting an excellent phone interview with a reporter in the midst of the Russian/Georgian war. He was updating the fighting that was occuring after nightfall, reporting the latest Russian aerial bombing and tank incursions, unconfirmed civilian casualties and was beginning to report on the latest Georgian response, both military and diplomatic when the Fox host interrupted, apologized for cutting him off and said something to the effect that there was breaking news coming over the wires. It was, of course, the text of Edward's statement.
There was no need to cut off the live report from Georgia. The correspondent could have wrapped up his report, the anchor could have asked a follow up question or two and the segment would have lasted only another minute or two. A 2 minute delay in reading Edward's statement would not have mattered one iota.
I mention this because it was a situation that was open to legitimate criticism.  
TP and NH could have criticized that editorial decision of Fox News, and not only would it have been factual, it would have been deserved!
Instead, they made a choice, and it was a conscious choice, to fabricate, lie, ignore reality and totally misrepresent the facts. All for the purpose of smearing those who they view as the enemy.  
What a crock!
August 10, 2008, 4:41:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

From the Huff Po blog:
"Kristol seems to think that Russia invading a neighbor is somehow unprecedented and astounding. "
Wow! Kristol and Mark in agreement???
August 10, 2008, 4:42:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
Wow! Kristol and Mark in agreement???
sharm | 08.10.08 - 4:47 pm | #  
I guess this can only mean that Kristol isn't "always wrong." Cue the "even a broken clock" saying. :lol:
August 10, 2008, 4:53:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
Wow! Kristol and Mark in agreement???
sharm | 08.10.08 - 4:47 pm | #  
I guess this can only mean that Kristol isn't "always wrong." Cue the "even a broken clock" saying. :lol:
August 10, 2008, 4:53:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Totally not about cable news, but it is about blogs that, among other things, report on certain cable news networks or shows. Besides, I think it is information worthy of dissemination.
Liberal Web Sites More Profane Than Conservatives
Liberal Web sites that allow feedback from readers are more than 12 times as likely to contain profanity as their conservative counterparts.  
That's the finding of Washington Times' "Poli-Tech" columnist Matthew Sheffield, who used a search engine to find profanity on leading sites on both sides of the political spectrum.  
Sheffield looked for occurrences of late comic George Carlin's "seven dirty words" and some popular variants on the top 10 conservative and top 10 liberal Web sites.  
The search yielded 70,000 results at the conservative sites — and 1.9 million on the liberal sites.  
"Dividing the number of instance of profanity by the number of pages of the sites on which they appear, then multiplying the result by 100, yields what might be called a ‘profanity quotient,'" Sheffield writes.  
The top 10 left-wing sites have a profanity quotient of 14.6, while the right-wing sites have a quotient of 1.17, which means 14.6 percent of all pages on the liberal sites contain profanity, compared to 1.17 percent of all pages on the conservative sites.  
"That's quite a disparity — liberals are more than 12 times as likely to use profanity as conservatives on the Web," Sheffield points out.  
In an effort to explain the result, Sheffield adds: "More than likely, it is a reflection of how things are offline. Conservatives, especially those who are more religious, are less likely to use profanity in their daily conversation."
August 10, 2008, 5:01:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply

From this thread early this morning:
Wow! Disabled and a racist. Nice combo.
yep | 08.10.08 - 5:10 am | #  
From NH, moments ago:
Take it easy on Olby Sucks. He's handicapped and this is his only source of income.
Escape Goat - Olympic Athlete | 08.10.08 - 5:07 pm  
That clears up a few things.
August 10, 2008, 5:15:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Your 4:46 post is excellent, vstol. The point, I rather clearly was making, was not that FNC failed us, but ALL cable news failed us. Many readers take any criticism of FNC as a personal afront and fail to see that even FNC could improve.
There is also much truth in your 5:06 post.
As for Kristol, I suppose it is possible even he can from time-to-time fall into the truth. My guess is he watched BBC World Report last night.
August 10, 2008, 5:18:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Yeah it is interesting how Mark and NH posters have the same mindset. As evidenced by Mark's degrading and tormenting comments towards OS and by the late night NH Troll's comments that we both witnessed and now by the comment that you just now saw on NH, both Mark and NH regulars (including John t and Escape Goat) have the same mindset: they all really despise OS and will spare no effort to mock and ridicule him.  
However, unlike Mark's buddy NVH, Mark doesn't like NH. OH NO!! Perish that thought!! Yeah Mark denounces NH(from time to time) as being unprofessional and trashy. Mark will have nothing to do with Newshounds so he says. He leaves participation in NH to his esteemed buddy NVH.
Of course when I mention that Mark has denounced NH (with Mark's name affixed to the comment) it flies right past him. Doesn't even recognize the comment as being about him.
Sometimes I think Mark takes so many stances and positions that he gets confused.  
But one thing is for sure (and never changes): Mark and many NH regulars truly dislike OS. Yep, they are all on the same wavelength.
August 10, 2008, 6:47:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Couple days ago, 'yep' was making fun of my son and me on the msnbc upside down flag thread, calling me a "lame dad."
I asked him how he knew I was disabled. He disappeared.
Early this morning, someone using the 'yep' ID posts:
Wow! Disabled and a racist. Nice combo.
yep | 08.10.08 - 5:10 am |
I think he was calling OS a racist and either thought OS was disabled or that OS & I were a combo.
He was queried, then disappeared.
Then, this appeared at NH:
Take it easy on Olby Sucks. He's handicapped and this is his only source of income.
Escape Goat - Olympic Athlete | 08.10.08 - 5:07 pm
Being relatively new to this thrill-a-minute World of Blog, would the term "sock puppet" be appropriate in this situation?
August 10, 2008, 7:21:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
Cue the "even a broken clock" saying.  
Olby Sucks | 08.10.08 - 4:58 pm | #  
As for Kristol, I suppose it is possible even he can from time-to-time fall into the truth.  
Mark | 08.10.08 - 5:23 pm | #  
Close enough.
August 10, 2008, 7:22:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
I think he was calling OS a racist and either thought OS was disabled or that OS & I were a combo.
by vstol
Actually, I don't think the sockpuppy known as "yep" even knew what it was saying. Just babbling incoherently.
August 10, 2008, 7:28:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply

My guess is he watched BBC World Report last night.
Mark | 08.10.08 - 5:23 pm | #  
Or was alive during the twentieth century...
August 10, 2008, 10:16:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Living through the 20th century seems not to be a guarantee of being insightful, for which we have abundant evidence with Mr. Kristol and herein as well.
August 10, 2008, 10:38:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply

and herein as well.
Mark | 08.10.08 - 10:43 pm | #  
When an accusation like that is vague, it has a weasely quality to it.
Please be more specific as to who and what comments led to this conclusion.
August 10, 2008, 11:07:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I am referring to anyone who wholly lacks insight, who is absent a historical perspective. You know who those people are as well as I do, and I don't wish to resort to name-calling on the Dominical.
August 11, 2008, 12:03:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
Talk about weasely!
August 11, 2008, 12:08:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply

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