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J$P Video! Shep and The Judge on torture: more 24/7/365 GOP propaganda from Fox!


From The Live Desk, April 22 2009




Mike C.
(sarcasm): Yes, that is definitely GOP propaganda. There is no getting around that.
But seriously, that's what makes FNC so great: all sides are heard and respected.
April 22, 2009, 5:04:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
That post under GOP propaganda shows exactly the problem with The Mutt House. They don't like the way the way Cavuto's show presents the news. They are always complaining about what Fox presents as well as how it is presented. They also whine about what FOX doesn't present. One wonders if these intellectual midgets ever watch the other networks.
April 22, 2009, 6:50:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
that's what makes FNC so great: all sides are heard and respected.
Mike C. | Homepage | 04.22.09 - 5:09 pm | #  
 
really so when when fox hosts mock anti-war protesters/gay pride parades, immigration rallies or anti torture advocates/code pink and other people who dont share fox views they get mocked?? also people who want to protect our only home planet-there being respected??  
 
and so what if they show up on fox air-they can/still be mocked before and AFTER they show up
 
ALSO: they obsesses over obamas handshake with hugo chavez?
 
Nexis database found no examples in 2002 of Fox News personalities criticizing President Bush's handshake with Uzbekistani President Islam Karimov, whose government the State Department has condemned for human rights abuses.
 
they attack/obsess over obamas handshake with hugo chavez?
 
idk what you people say-fox ISNT F&B (well most of the time anyway)
 
fox is also so concern over free speech and the right to dissent but when bush was in office-if there were any dissent or protests (dixix chicks, martin sheen, jimmy carter or anybody on the left)-fox attacked and mocked them
April 22, 2009, 7:36:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Nexis database found no examples..."
 
According to Media Matters, unless you searched it yourself. Which, by the way, only includes about 1/3 of the Fox programs anyhow, so that proves entirely nothing. Especially since Karimov at the time wasn't threatening the US.
 
"fox attacked and mocked them"
 
I love sentences like that. Did the Articles of Incorporation for Fox hold a news conference to mock them? Do the Articles of Incorporation have their own tv show? How can "Fox" mock anyone? I realize that for Fox haters it's easily to just say "Fox" did this or that. It's so much more effective than identifying particular people who said something, because then you have to explain how other particular people said something entirely different.
 
Mike C was correct: all sides are heard and respected, and sometimes all sides get mocked and criticized too. It's that scary thing known as freedom of speech.
April 22, 2009, 7:48:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
so maybe i should say fox news HOSTS
April 22, 2009, 8:03:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
what righ wing movement was mocked by fox news hosts?
April 22, 2009, 8:03:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
What wasn't? Between Alan Colmes, Geraldo (who mercilessly attacks anti-illegal immigration proponents), and comments by Beckel, Clift, Hill, Ratner, Frost, Henican, or any of the other dozen-plus left-leaning commentators, I'd be surprised if you could name a right-wing 'movement' that hasn't been criticized on Fox.
 
And don't get me started on 'protecting the home planet' (as opposed to protecting--what--Saturn?!?) with Fox not only partnering with RFK Jr on a Global Warming special but even running GW PSAs.
 
You want to emphasize Fox HOSTS, and there's no dispute that they have more right-leaning opinion hosts than left-leaning ones. But every one of those programs gives time to people who hold opposing views--a statement that can't be made about certain other cable news hosts. And opinion hosts are only a fraction of FNC's schedule.
April 22, 2009, 8:11:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Did the Articles of Incorporation for Fox hold a news conference to mock them? Do the Articles of Incorporation have their own tv show? How can "Fox" mock anyone
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.22.09 - 7:53 pm | #  
 
NB does it when they criticze the msm-they dont always says the person or show
and i didn with fox
 
ABC:Touts Meghan McCain as Moderate GOP Voice on Gay Marriage  
 
CBS Commiserates Over Higher Bank Credit Card Fees; Ignores Gov't Takeover Threats
 
so maybe NB should follow J$ logic (and how is that different?)
 
cnn is owned by time warner
abc by disney
nbc/msnbc/cnbc by Ge
 
cbs owned by viacom and westnghouse electric corp
April 22, 2009, 8:15:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Beckel, Clift, Hill, Ratner, Frost, Henican-there NOT foxnews hosts-name one just one right wing movement was mocked on fox news-i cant name one
April 22, 2009, 8:17:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
we have only one planet to live on-earth-so what-are we not suppose to protect it? its not like we can actually leave earth and go to another planet and live there
April 22, 2009, 8:18:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"NB does it "
 
And I'm supposed to care about that...why?
 
"Name one just one right wing movement was mocked on fox news-i cant name one"
 
That doesn't surprise me. It's what I expect from people who don't watch FNC, or whose only knowledge of Fox is what they get from Fox hater websites and cherry-picked videos. But if you read my previous response very carefully, I think you'll find that I answered that question already.
April 22, 2009, 8:24:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
NB does it "
 
And I'm supposed to care about that...why?
 
because you criticized me for doing it with fox
 
and NB is suppose to be a media watchdog-i bet they cherry-pick videos also
 
wow -two fox hosts out of alot attacked anti-illegal immigration proponents
 
also: there's no dispute that they have more right-leaning opinion hosts than left-leaning ones
 
there really fair and balanced with their opinion hosts uh?
April 22, 2009, 8:32:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I am in 100% disagreement with Shep and the Judge (this is unusual, I normally find the Judge to be spot on).  
 
We should have a Department of Torture that is responsible for the interrogation and eventual killing of enemy combatants. The torture should be real, not this mamby-pamby sleep deprivation, Metallica, and waterboarding.  
Terrorists would be much less likely to f*** with us knowing that they wouldn't be tried in US court and when released live on US government benefits. And pirates? Fuggedaboudit.

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April 22, 2009, 8:40:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Good for NB. So what? Why do you drag them into this, to try and muddy the waters? The only connection I've ever had with NB is that they asked for permission to reprint two or three of my posts and I granted it. Something I have done for every website that has requested it. So don't wave the NB bloody shirt when it has nothing to do with this discussion.
 
"wow -two fox hosts out of alot attacked anti-illegal immigration proponents"
 
You asked me to name one. And when I do you say "wow". Why do you ask me for something, and when I deliver you ridicule the answer? I suppose that's better than you saying, 'I guess I was wrong". (By the way, I just saw O'Reilly mocking an argument from Republican Andrea Tantaros.)
 
"there really fair and balanced with their opinion hosts uh?"
 
Permit me to explain something to you. News channels are like newspapers. Papers have news pages, and they have opinion pages. So do news channels. News pages are supposed to be fair and balanced, like Fox's news coverage. Opinion pages are driven by the opinionators. There are usually more people on one side or other in this department, and FNC is no exception. However, when the opinionators make room for opposing points of view, and don't freeze out people who disagree with them, that adds an element of balance to a segment of the broadcast day that is not typically fair or balanced. FNC opinion programs go out of their way to make room for opposing points of view. It could be why more Democrats and Independents watch Fox News than any other news channel in the USA.
April 22, 2009, 8:42:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
It could be why more Democrats and Independents watch Fox News than any other news channel in the USA.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.22.09 - 8:47 pm | #  
 
well of course-there number 1!!
 
so fox news is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all? wow what a undertaking
April 22, 2009, 8:50:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'm going TAD for an hour or two. Back shortly.
April 22, 2009, 8:51:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I see that whatever the l'il feller calls himself, he still has trouble with that "there-their-they're" thingy.
 
And of course, we'll soon have the l'il feller running back to NH to tell everyone exactly how great "chris" is doing against the "dollarites".
April 22, 2009, 9:34:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Chris
Does anyone have the video of Shep saying "We don't f****ing torture" on Strategy Room shortly before they went live on FNC?
April 22, 2009, 11:02:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcKUN_0Cp0s&feature=player_embedded
April 22, 2009, 11:36:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
so fox news is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all? wow what a undertaking
chris | 04.22.09 - 8:55 pm | #
 
so c-span is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all? wow what a undertaking
 
I'll stop in the morning if Brian Lamb is running the show and there is always some far-left or far-right ya-hoo who will call up and accuse C-Span of being tilted one way or another.  
 
I guess if you sit in front of the tv with a stop watch, no that's okay I have a life. But let's try this.
 
so CNN is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all?
 
so MSNBC is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all?
 
When it comes to FNC, at least you CAN HAVE the debate.
 
Unless you want to call one Conservative host on CNN against the rest of the line up 'Fair and Balanced'.
 
And don't bother to bring up Joe, who gets balanced on his own show with Mika, while Ed, Olby, Mandow, Schuster, O'Donnell, & Mathews all fly solo.
 
So in you're mind one conservative with the rest of the line-up being liberal is 'Fair & Balanced'?
 
Well then you got me.
 
Is FNC in the perfect stop-watch world of Fair & Balanced? No (WHO IS?), but they come closer than any other Cable News channel.
 
But if you want to sit in front of you're t.v. all day with a stop watch, have at it. Just do us a favor before you come back, please do the same with CNN & MSNBC.
 
It's the 'FAIR & BALANCED' thing to do, don't you agree?
 
BTW, unlike Newshounds, When it comes to Johnny Dollar's Place, at least you 'CAN HAVE' the debate.
April 23, 2009, 7:12:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
the other channels dont claim to be F&B-and thats why i pick on the so called F&B foxnews
 
and sure you can debate a topic-but what stops foxnews hosts/commenters to mock them and riduclue them after
 
so fox news is fair and balanced 24/7/365-
no bias at all? wow what a undertaking
chris | 04.22.09 - 8:55 pm | #
 
from what i read from here-yes-fox has no bias at all-every other channel except fox has bias-and i know that cnn and msnbc is biased and i dont have to watch them all the time to know this
 
point: EVERY cable news channel: cnn/msnbc.fox news is bias in one way or another
 
by your own words:
 
Is FNC in the perfect stop-watch world of Fair & Balanced? No (WHO IS?),  
puck30 | 04.23.09 - 7:17 am |
April 23, 2009, 9:17:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


flindycon
Hey chris, you do know that CNN claims to be "the most trusted name in news", right? Judging from their (lack of) viewers, it appears that slogan is misleading, correct? So, how come you don't complain about CNN using that slogan? You know, to be "fair and balanced".
 
By the way, complaining about the use of a catch word slogan is pretty silly.
April 23, 2009, 10:38:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
chris | 04.23.09 - 9:22 am | #  
 
Still whining about "Fair and Balanced"?
 
You still don't get even after it has been explained ad nauseum.
 
Are you related to little john t?
April 23, 2009, 10:58:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
By the way, complaining about the use of a catch word slogan is pretty silly.
flindycon | 04.23.09 - 10:43 am | #  
 
Fox haters complain about the little crap because that is all they have.
April 23, 2009, 11:13:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I don't give a rats ass about any of these programs giving a fair debate. Your employer, is not Fair and Balanced. And you Dollar and Box Cox also are just a couple sore losing, jock sniffing, hand shake under the bathroom stall conservatives, and most Americans hate conservatives.  
Posted by: David Troyer on Thu 4.23 8:43am  
 
Sharing Ellen's cocaine?
Little john t's brother?
Irrational loser?
 
This clown couldn't put together a rational thought if it was handed to him.
April 23, 2009, 11:59:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
cnn claims to be "the most trusted name in news" because when pew polls come/came out-cnn led in the trust department
 
so f&B is just a catch word slogan huh? so i guess it doesnt mean anything when foxnews uses it or when commenters use it-also dont you people get it yet-nobody else claims to be f&B except for foxnews
 
so everything has to be F&B?? well guess what nothing is and if it isnt-DONT COMPLAIN
 
NOBODY IS GOING TO CONIVCE TO THAT FOXNEWS IS FAIR AND BALANCED-FOX HAS A RIGHT-LEANING TILT-NOBODY HERE WANTS TO ADMIT THAT
 
fox hater: so i guess everybody has to like fox and if they dont they get called names (fox hater)-so maybe i should start calling you guys cnn haters/msnbc haters abc haters nbc haters cbs haters
 
not related to john T
April 23, 2009, 12:19:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Why does the l'il feller always have to hide behind new names?
April 23, 2009, 1:03:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


flindycon
chris at| 04.23.09 - 12:24 pm | # said:
 
"cnn claims to be "the most trusted name in news" because when pew polls come/came out-cnn led in the trust department"
 
So, I guess you then accept that Pew poll that showed Fox's audience make-up of Democrats and Independents outnumbered Republicans, which of course, shows that those who know, understand that Fox news presents a balanced view, no?
 
chris on | 04.23.09 - 12:24 pm | # stated:
 
"so f&B is just a catch word slogan huh? so i guess it doesnt mean anything when foxnews uses it or when commenters use it-also dont you people get it yet-nobody else claims to be f&B except for foxnews"
 
Yep. It's their slogan. Just as CNN uses their "most trusted name in news" slogan that, as you say, "nobody else claims to be". Seeing as you are okay with that, it is hard to understand your gripe. Unless you really don't have one; other than you hate Fox. You do know you don't have to watch Fox, right?  
 
chris on | 04.23.09 - 12:24 pm | # stated:
 
"NOBODY IS GOING TO CONIVCE TO THAT FOXNEWS IS FAIR AND BALANCED-FOX HAS A RIGHT-LEANING TILT-NOBODY HERE WANTS TO ADMIT THAT"
 
Uh, could you type that just a little louder? It was hard to read over all those CAPS! Hey chrissie, can you not read? Well, that's a rhetorical question, so no need to answer. If you could find the time out of your busy posting schedule here and at the pound, try rereading the posts again, and you will find that the author of this site stated just a few posts up:
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.22.09 - 8:16 pm | #stated:
 
"You want to emphasize Fox HOSTS, and there's no dispute that they have more right-leaning opinion hosts than left-leaning ones. But every one of those programs gives time to people who hold opposing views--a statement that can't be made about certain other cable news hosts. And opinion hosts are only a fraction of FNC's schedule."
 
I didn't see any posts disputing that, did you? Sheesh patrick, uh oops, I mean Michael, uh err, chrissie, you just don't get it, and don't want to. What you do want to do, is hate Fox. Go ahead. It's your time to waste. Because you could expend a lot less negative energy on that hate, and a lot more positive energy over at the pound, or, at MSNBC. Heck, you might even feel better.
April 23, 2009, 2:20:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
i dont hate fox-i actually like fox-they have good shows like 24, the simpsons, family guy-and when they have football and baseball
 
as for foxnews: i dont hate them either
i watch them cause i want to
 
and this ISNT john T and his many names-i'm not that crazy-if i'm going to criticize something i'll use my real name and it take like a man
 
oops i guess i was wrong when j$ state that fox leans right
 
sorry for the yelling
 
i complain about a slogan and you guys defend the slogan-wow
 
i can read also
April 23, 2009, 4:35:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
You still don't get even after it has been explained ad nauseum.
 
Are you related to little john t?
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.23.09 - 11:03 am  
 
I bet ya this is the same guy that calls poor Brian Lamb (on the independent line of course, lol) and tells him that C-Span is biased towards the right.
 
Is FNC in the perfect stop-watch world of Fair & Balanced? No (WHO IS?),  
 
Guess he doesn't get it? Oh well. Some want to spend their whole day picking on three words, I'll go pick Strawberries instead. (much more productive and 'tasty'!)
April 23, 2009, 4:44:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
NOBODY IS GOING TO CONIVCE TO THAT FOXNEWS IS FAIR AND BALANCED-FOX HAS A RIGHT-LEANING TILT-NOBODY HERE WANTS TO ADMIT THAT
 
chris | 04.23.09 - 12:24 pm | #
 
So you argue that you can't be convinced that FNC is not biased and that we can't admit that it is biased.
 
Great. So quit spinning your wheels and boring the hell out of everyone.
 
Move on with your life by doing something more productive or continue writing the same thoughts over-and-over at NH.  
 
Either way, shove off!

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April 23, 2009, 5:30:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Either way, shove off!
 
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Cecelia | 04.23.09 - 5:35 pm | #  
 
talk about hate
April 23, 2009, 6:04:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
That was a little harsh. But perhaps Cece will explain why she said it.
April 23, 2009, 6:10:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
i guess she wont
April 23, 2009, 7:24:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, sure, I'll explain the reason for telling Chris to shove off, guys.
 
Right after I explain why a full larder beats starvation and how come health is better than infirmity.
 
sheesh!
April 23, 2009, 9:45:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
take about hate from cecelia-whats up her ass?
April 24, 2009, 9:28:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
take about hate from cecelia-whats up her ass?
chris | 04.24.09 - 9:33 am | #  
 
Well, after reading this, I've got some complaints with the management...
April 24, 2009, 9:58:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Point taken. I'm calling for a cease-fire. Let's see if c and C can peacefully coexist in a cyber Glasnost style. No more crossing the line.
April 24, 2009, 10:06:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
cease-fire? sure why not- is that fine with you cecelia?
April 24, 2009, 10:08:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
That's fine, chris, but you're going to have to try to be more interesting.
April 24, 2009, 10:22:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply