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Wednesday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

The Factor tonight: Jackson exposé. Greta teases.

Tuesday's numbers.

Fox & Friends Weekend reviewed.

Alan Colmes explains FNC to liberals, cites J$P! Alan's hate mail.

Pickens picks CNBC.

MSNBC hires Mike Murphy. Should they fire Pat Buchanan?

Today's Obama/Osama erratum.

CNN keeping them honest (via GretaWire).

Matthews wishes Wolfson well.

Greg Kelly to WNYW? Confirmed.

Audio: Boyer elaborates on Olbermann (via Chickaboomer).

Hotline quotes.

MSNBC: the place for volleyball.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Mike C.
I'm inclined to say Mike Murphy is the bigger turncoat, but hey, money talks.
It was good to see Ted Koppel. He's one of my broadcasting heroes.
"The place for volleyball." That got a laugh out of me.
Chris Matthews should know what a movie is about before using the title to imply a person's career demise. One comment to that post referred to BOR. The commenter, Texndoc, was mad that BOR has been fair to Obama, which he should be as an independent, fair-minded guy. Texndoc also went into the Olbermoronn playbook, referring to BOR as Ted Baxter. Even though Keithy wasn't involved in this reference, Ted Knight must still be rolling over in his grave, God rest him. As I also learned on Hot Air and Townhall, conservatives hate BOR, too.
July 9, 2008, 1:40:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
Finding myself awake at 4:40 AM,I decided to blow off the dishes and watch Mr O'Reilly to see what all the fuss was about.These are some general observations.
 
I have heard of some who have turned the "No Spin Zone" into a drinking game, taking a shot every time Bill says "Far Left".By the 1/2 hour mark,I had counted 6 (may have missed some).If I had been drinking anything worse than Chock Full O Nuts,I'd have left the "No Spin Zone" far behind.
 
BOR had Rep Gingrich on to talk energy.Sell off the Strtegic Reserve?Hmm.Drill off the coasts?Well,maybe,but let's acknowledge that there isn't that much there.Oil shale?There is oil shale all over the world.There is a reason that no one else is utilizing it."Atlas Shrugged" was fiction. Solar,wind? Great.But when did conservation,mass transit,and improved mileage go out the window??
 
BOR doesn't like Vermont.I'm not sure why.If the primary concern was sexual violence,he'd be attacking the Texas judiciary instead of Vermont's.Texas has a rape rate of 35.6 per 100,000.Vermonts rate is 24.0.Vermont's violent crime rate is 136.6.In Texas it is 516.3.
 
And BTW Mr O'Reilly.If you wanted to do one small thing to decrease the attitude of sexualization of children,you could refrain from following a teaser about the rape and murder of a 12 year old with a teaser about Victoria Secret.
 
But speaking from this one show,I found BOR to be less offensive than I had been led to expect.He was more Professor Fluffy than Mr Hyde.
July 9, 2008, 7:44:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
But speaking from this one show,I found BOR to be less offensive than I had been led to expect.He was more Professor Fluffy than Mr Hyde.
notveryhow | 07.09.08 - 7:49 am | #  
 
So this is your first time at watching an O'Reilly show is it? For some reason I thought you were an O'Reilly expert, but maybe it's Fox & Friends that's your show.
 
In any case, I'm glad you found O'Reilly less offensive than you were led to believe he'd be. Perhaps now you'll be less easily led.
July 9, 2008, 8:41:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
"BOR doesn't like Vermont.I'm not sure why.If the primary concern was sexual violence,he'd be attacking the Texas judiciary instead of Vermont's.Texas has a rape rate of 35.6 per 100,000.Vermonts rate is 24.0.Vermont's violent crime rate is 136.6.In Texas it is 516.3."
 
Hint: sexual violence against children  
 
http://tinyurl.com/5j83jz
 
http://tinyurl.com/67kejx
July 9, 2008, 8:45:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
There's some differences with the more homogeneous population of Vermont as compared to the more diverse pop. of Texas. Even with its other problems, such as a high rate of high school dropouts, etc, I'd be interested in seeing *per population* stats on the level of sexual violence committed by illegal immigrants in Texas, who may have com there because they're running from the law in Mexico.
 
O'Reilly's no fan of illegal immigrants
July 9, 2008, 9:17:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
Cecelia | 07.09.08 - 9:22 am |  
 
I chose Texas because of it's "law and order" strict sentence,death penalty reputation.Would you prefer Idaho?
 
Violent Crime rate per 100,000 , 247.2
Forcible rape, 40.0
 
Compare to Vermont
 
sharm | 07.09.08 - 8:50 am |  
 
BOR's concern seems to have more to do with Jessica's Law.I believe you missed my point. If Texas and Idaho have higher rates of forcible rape than Vermont, then perhaps Vermont is doing something right.
 
In any case,if the main concern is violence against children,wouldn't it make more sense to condemn states with high rates of violence,and praise those with low rates.
 
FBI Crime Statistics
 
http://bjsdata.ojp.usdoj.gov/dataonline/Search/Crime/State/statebystaterun.cfm?stateid=13
July 9, 2008, 9:39:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
I absolutely loved Boyer's comment in the last 30 seconds or so about " his *keepers* at the network".
 
I thought these guys had editors, assistants, PR staff etc and the animals at the zoo have "keepers".
 
Never mind.........
July 9, 2008, 10:33:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
In any case,if the main concern is violence against children,wouldn't it make more sense to condemn states with high rates of violence,and praise those with low rates.
 
notveryhow | 07.09.08 - 9:44 am | #
 
More to Sharm's POINT about why O'Reilly does what...(and to mine when I mentioned illegal immigrants) is that makes more sense when you are an advocate of Jessica's Law (or tighter border control in Texas), which O'Reilly is.... is to "condemn" (criticise) states that do not support the adoption of a law that you feel would decrease repeat offenders.
July 9, 2008, 10:39:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
For once I agee with Pat Buchannan comparing the political mood in 1980 to today's mood with one exception.
 
Bush 41 had a 90% approval rating going into the 1990 campaign and lost to Clinton. The Dems were so overjoyed with Reagan's nomination and the up to the last minute polls that they were ordering ball gowns and picking out curtains. We all know how both of those came out so I always wait for the actual votes to be cast and counted before either cying in my Absolut or hoisting it to celebrate.
July 9, 2008, 10:46:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammie,
 
I was fascinated by Boyer's characterization of Olbermann's mentality towards "the false god of balance". Olbermann asks why it is necessary to allow someone on the air to offer up a "lie" to what he knows is true, merely in the name of fairness.
 
Whether it's couched in warning against "relativism", etc., I've heard this sort of thinking echoed a lot in the past decade and it always gives me chills.
 
How do you get to the point where you think your ideas on what makes for a better society are indisputable? How do you come to the conclusion that you know what's best for people and that other opinions are lies?  
 
In Olbermann's case, you have a man who has defended statements from many Democrats, including John Kerry and Obama, by arguing against what he describes as a simplistic un-nuanced Republican attack. Yet he wishes to treat ALL public issues as being indisputable matters of moral conscious-- on the order of slavery, etc.  
 
Is the man so unsure of the basic appeal of his utterly correct and on-target stands that he fears another side may be more persuasive?
 
This sort attitude of political war via thinking that we have the truth and they are mere liars, is the sort thing we call fanaticism when seen in adherents to particular religions.
 
Has there been a time when so many intelligent people, who consider matters on what they feel are strictly rational grounds, were so close-minded?
July 9, 2008, 11:40:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
That is a given, Cecelia, and it is also what scares the hell out of me.
 
Just yesterday NVH ascribed some very scurrilous and picked out of the air accusations against us just b/c that she assumes that she is all pristine goodness and we are all callous Scrooges before his reformation. That is a symptom of what you illustrated.
 
Ad how many times has a leftist accused The Infamous Gang of 5 war mongers who cheer death on, uncaring selfish people who would let old ladies (for some reason they don't seem to have kindness for ths old lady), pregnant women and babies to die from disease in hunger and squalor, rascist Fascists, vicious homophobes.  
 
What do we do to bring this down upon our head? Unless we know NVH from anoter site (do we) she based her charges on not a word of anything written here b/c those subjects and their corrollaries have never come up here. She obviously just "knows" that as conservatives we are not worthy and have to be morally lacking. BTW, if you don't like what I'm saying about you let me assure you that I didn't appreciate you one bit by using breaking your patient's medical confidentiality to take some tired hackneyed cheap shots at us.
July 9, 2008, 12:44:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I'm not sure, but there might be some topic drift in the comments above me.
July 9, 2008, 12:46:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Just a tad. A little drift is expected, as long as it stays little.
July 9, 2008, 12:56:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well said, Grammie!
July 9, 2008, 12:58:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Nice link from Alan, Johnny!
 
It's interesting that the Pew Research stats on cable news (that Alan references) have a mirror image split between FNC to MSNBC's and CNN's dem-to -repub stats.  
 
Why do FNC stats mean it's a Republican echo chamber, but the mirror image stats for the other two cable channels carry none of the same onus of their bias towards Dems?
July 9, 2008, 1:05:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Alan's stats are from a different PEW survey, and the criteria were I think slightly different. It was a measure of cable news "core" audiences, which is a more restrictive measure than people who don't watch every night or whatever. I think that sample is smaller than the one quoted in the 2008 report as well.
 
I think the 2008 report didn't use the stats cited by Alan since 1. they didn't include MSNBC, and B. the yearly state of the media reports do not focus in only on rabid core audiences but a more general view of who watches and who doesn't.
 
It's clear that by either standard, Fox's audience ain't 88% Republican!
July 9, 2008, 1:27:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince
Hey Johnny.. did you know Ellen from Newshounds is on Alan Colmes blog badmouthing you?
 
http://liberalland.com/2008/07/09/how-should-a-true-liberal-regard-fox/
July 9, 2008, 2:04:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Imagine that. What a shocker. This is a favorite tactic of hers, to run around to other blogs where I'm mentioned and then paste in her screed about how evil I am for pointing out lies by the newshounds. There are a few lies in what she posted today as a matter of fact.
 
I'm sure Alan was just thrilled to have a premier Fox hater show up on his blog to tell him not to link to stories she doesn't like. Perhaps some other commenters there will rebut her.
July 9, 2008, 2:11:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
You didn't need to include the link, Vince. It's already in the open thread post.
July 9, 2008, 2:41:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
A “Fair and Balanced” Line-Up Of Republican Guests, Only
Reported by Ellen - Wed 12:10 PM
 
Before anyone jumps to conclusions......Ted Koppel doesn't count! He's not "political."
July 9, 2008, 2:45:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
"Just yesterday NVH ascribed some very scurrilous and picked out of the air accusations against us just b/c that she assumes that she is all pristine goodness and we are all callous Scrooges"
 
Perhaps I have misread everyone.I just kind of assumed that most here were on-board with the underfunding of social programs that began under Reagan and expanded in the past 7 years.I kind of assumed that some here would ascribe to the Grover Norquist ideal of a Federal government that could be drowned in the bath tub.
 
I guess most here do recognize that a cut in Medicaid funding , Medicare reimbursement or block grants for social services falls most heavily on the chronicly ill and disabled.
 
Little did I guess that some here are in support of increased Social funding,and perhaps even a tax increase to keep the budget balanced.I apologize.
 
BTW,as for pristine goodness,I'm one of the most decadent people I know,but I'm honest about it. Sin and sin boldly.
July 9, 2008, 3:19:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
The "Obama/Osama erratum" link goes to the "Yes he is" link (TVNewser announcing Greg Kelly goes to WNYW).
July 9, 2008, 3:22:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oops, will fix.
 
nvh et al, don't drift into politics.
July 9, 2008, 3:52:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Vince,
 
Thanks for the tip. I just got through bad mouthing her. Interesting conversation. Bet it is more than Colmes anticipated.
July 9, 2008, 4:02:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Gotta watch Hannity and Colmes on FNC tonight. Flash from Drudge Report:
 
REV. JESSE JACKSON APOLOGIZES TO SEN. BARACK OBAMA FOR 'CRUDE AND HURTFUL COMMENTS' CAUGHT BY OPEN MIC... CNN DESCRIBES AS 'UGLY WORDS,' 'VERY, VERY DISPARAGING'; JACKSON IN 'DEEP DISTRESS'... FOX NEWS IN POSSESSION OF TAPE AND WILL PLAY IN ENTIRETY TONIGHT ON 'HANNITY AND COLMES'; OBAMA: NO COMMENT... DEVELOPING
July 9, 2008, 4:34:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
O'Reilly is going to cover this story, according to what he said on the radio today.
July 9, 2008, 4:41:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I guess most here do recognize that a cut in Medicaid funding , Medicare reimbursement or block grants for social services falls most heavily on the chronicly ill and disabled.
 
Little did I guess that some here are in support of increased Social funding,and perhaps even a tax increase to keep the budget balanced.I apologize.
 
notveryhow | 07.09.08 - 3:24 pm | #  
 
This is an example of what's wonderful about FNC. Not only would the FNC anchors know that nvh's either/or frame-up of the issues, does not reflect conservative ideas, but they'd have guests and allow both sides to articulate their ideas.
July 9, 2008, 4:51:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
BTW, NVH, your place of employment certainly needs to re-orient its non-licensed staff in confidentiality law.
July 9, 2008, 4:53:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince
You didn't need to include the link, Vince. It's already in the open thread post.
Mike C. | Homepage | 07.09.08 - 2:46 pm | #  
 
Oh my, I didn't realize.
 
I am so sorry. Really. I didn't mean to do this.. had I known I would have not provided the URL.
 
I don't know what is wrong with me sometimes.
 
Thank you so much for pointing this out. I sincerely hope that such a thing never ever happens ever again ever.
 
Please, everyone.. forgive me.
 

July 9, 2008, 6:00:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Not a problem, Vince. Happens to most of us. Johnny updates all day and sometimes it's hard to notice everything that's new.
 
BTW, I think the Jackson thing will be a Sista Soja moment for Obama.
July 9, 2008, 6:05:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Cecelia, I have a bad feeling Vince was being sarcastic, which I deserve.
July 9, 2008, 6:53:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Jeff,
I see that you have already been posting attacks on our readers ("Ken, you're getting desperate.")
 
Cut it out or I am going to ban you and it will be final.  
 
This is my final warning.
Ellen
>>
 
Apparently you missed where they called me retard, ignorant, troll, a dry humper, dollers boy just to name a few. Not to mention jacking my name. Shaking head.....
 
I don't care what they called you. Either cut it out or leave.
 
Ellen
 
From: newshounds@gmail.com
To:  
Subject: Re: posting
July 9, 2008, 7:01:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Ya think, Mike?
July 9, 2008, 7:04:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
No shame to their game! None!
July 9, 2008, 7:04:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Man, those are some flexible "rules" they have at the kennel! LOL!
July 9, 2008, 7:38:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
The newshounds are everything that liberalism DOESN'T stand for, supposedly. Free speech? Nope. Fairness? Nope. Free thinking? Nope. Actually, their un-American. Oh, that's right, It's a "private blog." They are a disgrace to liberalism and America. I wonder if Ellen has a poster of A-jad in her house?
July 9, 2008, 8:31:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I wonder if Ellen has a poster of A-jad in her house?
olby sucks | Homepage | 07.09.08 - 8:36 pm | #  
 
Ellen does strike me as the type who would worship a rapist pedophile and believe in poly-wife beating and kafir culling.
July 9, 2008, 10:14:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The comments in that link that follow Ellen's post aren't very pretty for the NHs. Ouch!
July 9, 2008, 10:42:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
I just made a good one
July 9, 2008, 11:04:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
It just occurred to me that Hannity does not need to post his hate mail (as Alan does). All Hannity needs to do is point to Ellen Brodsky's NH articles and the attached comments sections.
July 9, 2008, 11:54:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply