1/18/10 12:28 PM

Fox Haters Week in Review

Shoddy journalism from Huffington Post, plus Fox haters react to J$P. That and more in the latest fun-filled edition of Fox Haters Week in Review!

Around the Interwebs
Our first stop is The Huffington Post, where J Richard Cohen published an open letter to Bill O'Reilly calling on him to "pay up" on a bet that CNN wouldn't fire Lou Dobbs:

I expect you will argue that Lou didn't get fired -- that he got fed up and quit the network he had been with for three decades.... Maybe your fall-back position is that it wasn't a real bet. I don't know. But I think that if you'll stop spinning for a moment, you'll agree that in the court of public opinion, you lose.... CNN did the right thing. Now it's your turn.
This post appeared on the afternoon of Nov 18. What's bizarre about it is that J Richard Cohen appeared on The Factor on Nov 17, and what was the first thing O'Reilly said in that interview?
O'REILLY: And I will pay that debt. I will donate $10,000 to Habitat for Humanity.
So here's Cohen trying to embarrass Mr Bill, telling him to "stop spinning", suggesting that he's going to use a "fall-back position" to weasel out of his obligation--when O'Reilly had already told him he will make the donation, a fact Cohen leaves out entirely!

Another bit of brilliance at HuffPo comes courtesy of John Amato, proprietor of the aptly-named Crooks and Liars. Amato calls for all good lemmings to file FCC complaints over Fox running incorrect crowd footage:
FOX News is passing on "false information" to the public. This must end.... I think it's time we started to take action and the first step is to file an FCC complaint report here. Please join me here and at CrooksandLiars.com to expose these "Hoaxes" by News Corp.
The "hoax" rule cited by Amato has nothing to do with crowd footage: it is for false reports of crimes or catastrophes. More to the point is the idiocy of sending complaints about a cable channel to the FCC. Other than policies regarding programming originated by a local cable distributor, the FCC has no jurisdiction over and no rules about the content of cable channels. Apparently HuffPo's fact-checking is no better than Amato's.

At oreillysucks.com we note a nightly recap described the "highly edited e-mails" read by O'Reilly--on a program where (for reasons for time) there was no email segment! Meanwhile, over at the newshounds (another fine product of the Outfoxed mob) we find the folks who claim to watch Fox News clueless about rudimentary matters. Ellen Brodsky complains:
I've long been shocked at the dreadful quality of Foxnews.com, which seems deliberately designed to make almost any information hard to find. Has anyone tried to figure out what time a given program, say, Live Desk, is on ?
We're pretty sure that's what the schedule is for. Even easier, what about the on air button sitting at the top of every page? It will take you to any show's home base; the page for The Live Desk has the program's time staring you right in the face!

While we're on the topic of the biased bassets, someone's been stirring up a little dust over there. A frustrated reader ("Echo") used the "off-topic" forum to post a litany of complaints, including the snooping of private IP addresses, hypocrisy, and the under-current of anti-Semitism we've seen before in the dog pound. Even though the "off-topic" forum is described by the bowsers as a place "where you can debate in whatever way you like on whatever subject you like, free of interference from us", that statement proves to be as truthful as the rest of the hounds' drivel. It didn't take long for Echo's imprint on the website to be wiped clean: made to disappear. But in the interests of keeping an enduring record of whippet perfidy, we have captured the highlights for your reading pleasure.

Par for the Corpse:
Last week we had a few criticisms of our friends over at News Corpse, centering around a crackdown on several youtube channels that featured FNC videos. The corpsicles took issue with our assessment, but instead of bringing their analysis here, they published it on their own site:
I just saw a hilarious smackdown of ME by the Jon Lovitz (i.e Pathological Liar) of right-wing snews bloggers, Johnny Dollar.
A personal attack in the very first sentence! That's the News Corpse we know and love.
The morally counterfeit Dollar takes me to task for reporting that a liberal YouTuber had his account suspended for posting Fox clips while conservatives were permitted to continue. Dollar pointed out that one of the users I cited has been suspended and he calls me a liar for saying otherwise.
More personal attacks and an out-and-out fabrication. Read our post for yourself, then ask yourself, where did News Corpse get the idea that we called him "a liar"? Answer: they made it up! But while we didn't call him a liar last week, somehow that appellation now seems to fit.
However, that account was not suspended until long after I wrote my article.
"Long after" would be less than 24 hours, and other websites, like Gawker, know how to update a post with new information, particularly new information that counters an earlier claim. Either this sort of advanced internet capability is beyond the corpsicles, or they just didn't care to inform their readers.
And Dollar doesn’t acknowledge that the other users I cited are indeed still up and running, Fox clips and all.
There are a lot of accounts still up and running, including the newshounds' and our own. But the fact that several conservative accounts were also targeted is contrary to the claim still sitting on the News Corpse website:
The selective nature of Fox’s legal actions prove that they are only interested in squelching liberals.
"Selective nature" indeed.
Dollar also demonstrated his champion ignoramus status by utterly failing to understand copyright law and the concept of fair use.
It must be that law degree that's confusing us.
Half-brained Dollar is so obsessed he spent 846 words on his dishonest and moronic attack on my column that was only 572 words.
Actually, omitting the portions that quoted from News Corpse it was more like 670 words. And only a portion of our article was an attack on the blog post, since we also addressed their vacuous assertion that Fox lied about firing Marc Lamont Hill. (The Corpse comeback makes no mention of this; we're not surprised that they wouldn't want to draw attention to such an asinine allegation.) In fact only about 480 words were needed to demolish the falsehoods in the corpsicle column. But we thank News Corpse for reading J$P.

The Hardest Word:
You can always rely on the newsmutts to deliver high-handed lectures about journalistic propriety (which is tantamount to instruction on asteroid dynamics from Paris Hilton). Miss Ellen Brodsky herself has set the standard:
Let FOX News know that "real journalism" requires issuing a correction.
In fact this is something of a recurring theme at the kennel:Now you would think with this record of calling for honesty and transparency the harriers' own behavior would be above reproach. But such is not the case. Indeed, they have a long, well-documented history of doing the opposite: hiding their falsehoods without a correction or even an acknowledgment, while silently revising their words in the hope nobody will notice--what we call a "stealth rewrite".

The point of all this is another reaction to last week's exposés. We caught ellen in a nasty smear of Bill Bennett and Sean Hannity. Long story short: she attacked both of them for "misinforming" and "twisting words", but in fact it was Brodsky who misinformed--she's the one who got the quote wrong. Now based on the "standards" enunciated by the tail-waggers, we were sure that a correction and apology would be forthcoming, because otherwise we'd have to conclude that Ellen was a "lyin' sack of feces". But we checked Brodsky's article and it seems she silently snipped out the offending paragraphs and let it go at that. That's right, she didn't issue a retraction or correction, but simply disappeared whole chunks of her article. Shouldn't Ellen have left the original and published a follow-up rather than scrubbing her falsehoods? One wonders who told Brodsky to do that, and if it's considered S.O.P. there. Well, no, we don't really wonder. We know it is.

And yet, after going through all that trouble to hide her untruths, Ellen still couldn't let go of a good smear. In the first paragraph of the cleansed posting we find Brodsky still repeating the slur she knows to be false:
Bennett, however...misquoted General George Casey, chief of staff of the Army, as saying that losing diversity would be a worse tragedy than Fort Hood.
After all, if it's propaganda you want, what's the point of making a correction if it goes against the message?

Finally we thank Ellen for yet another "death threat" from Fox Nation commenters, this time some prattle about trying the Obama administration for treason and then shooting them. Now we're not sure if this is a genuine death threat, as the context is clearly an execution after trial. But it's enough for Brodsky to hang her hat on. And enough for us to point out again the galloping, blinding hypocrisy of the anti-Fox terriers who attack other websites for comments that they themselves permit:


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Fox Fan
I wonder if Echo will post here eventually succeeding his departure from the NHs. Too bad it takes an open-minded commenter to realize the nature of that dump...otherwise the other regulars would have departed long ago.
 
Thank you for the insightful writeup once again, J$!
November 22, 2009, 8:03:11 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damail
Can you do us computer non-geeks a favor, Johnny? Maybe I'm just not well-versed enough in techno, But some of us can't take Echo's laundry list and blow it up to full-screen. Besides, my computer is acting real squirrelly as of late. Could you type out his list for us? Sure would be appreciated.
November 22, 2009, 8:31:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Instead of clicking on that list, do a right-click and tell your browser to open the link in a new window. That should work for you.
November 22, 2009, 8:55:31 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Man! It is chilling to read NH mods immediately going to work on digging up info on site critic via Echo's ISP!
November 22, 2009, 9:01:22 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
It's a whole new kind of 'echo location'.
November 22, 2009, 9:11:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


anonymous
"where did News Corpse get the idea that we called him "a liar"? Answer: they made it up!"
 
News Corpse never asserted that you literally called him "a liar", in those exact words... but you asserted that what he said wasn't true, so he addressed it. dont take things so verbatim next time.
November 22, 2009, 9:24:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You must have missed the irony of him calling me a liar just before he lied about what I said. But thank you for your considered advice.
November 22, 2009, 9:27:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Badbilly
Nice job J$! It's amazing how low the Hounds must go to maintain relevence(in their own minds).  
 
Attn: Echo..........we would love to hear from you over here. I'm sure J$ won't abuse you or your ISP.
November 22, 2009, 10:37:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Is brodsky insinuating the 'death threat' was made by a 'right winger' just because it was posted at fox nation?  
 
I've seen an 'edfromned' post at think propaganda several times in the past and he wasn't a 'right winger' by any stretch of the imagination.
November 22, 2009, 11:38:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
My mistake. edfromned is a rabid newshound reg.
November 22, 2009, 11:44:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Yes, the unrepentant liar, Ellen has done it agian. She never ceases to amaze.
 
She lies, she "corrects" her mistakes with more lies and her little myrmidons are allowed to run free with their 5th grade attacks and smears on anyone who dares question the site or the posting( Hey, Echo, I guess you finally learned that the losers at News Hounds really hate to be called out on their stupidity and ignorance)
 
I even had a friend, who had never posted their, read the site and make a few very good thought out postings regarding their own hypocrisy and all they could do was attack him without a clear response to his questions.
 
Business as usual at the Hateful House of Hideous Hens.
 
Another great FHWIR, Johnny. Excellent.
November 23, 2009, 7:56:55 AM EST – Like – Reply


Guest
I even had a friend, who had never posted their, read the site and make a few very good thought out postings regarding their own hypocrisy and all they could do was attack him without a clear response to his questions.
 
And if you continue to post and call them out, they ban you.
November 23, 2009, 3:21:38 PM EST – Like – Reply