1/6/09 1:05 PM

Friday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

FNC makes history again! Thursday's numbers!

Greta prepares Palin program.

FBN breaks into New York.

Brit Hume's last hurrah (via TV Newser).

Lou Dobbs investment tanks.

MSNBC "correspondent" emcees rally.

RNC protesters had MSNBC badges?

Novak: "My brain tumor."

Cablers react to McCain.
Hotline quotes. Top tv moments. Shades of gray.

Obama / O'Reilly: Time, Caucus, Opinionator.

CNBC face flap?

Post out-scooped by Fox News.

Profile: embeds (via TV Newser).
Q&A: Michelle Bernard.

CNN grill workers get stiffed?

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Mark
The first installment of the Obama interview was certainly "much ado about nothing"*. No new ground (at least if you keep up with the news) and no sense of excitement or of gravitas. The most interesting part, to me at least, was the "how did I do/grade my performance" after the segment. Rather cheesey, although the blushing on command performance after O'Reilly received the expected grade was stellar. We waited how long for this?
 
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*William Shakespeare
September 5, 2008, 8:00:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I don't think a reference for much ado was required, but I did appreciate it for the nattering neybobs! Add one to the vocab...  
 
CNN workers don't tip for their free meals at the Grill? I'd love to say something snarky about expecting the government to give handouts to the workers, but I'm pretty sure CNN just might include a 15% gratuity at the end of the week.
 
If they don't, that's just wrong.
September 5, 2008, 10:03:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


lyons
Michelle Bernard WHO?
Could you post a picture? Thanks!
So many consultants are showing up that I can't keep their names straight.
However, I did see Tucker during the eight o'clock hour (central) on MSNBC.
It was such a few short minutes.
He needs to keep his self respect and walk away from that place.
September 5, 2008, 10:19:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply


JC in OC
You would think that, with all of those $100 bills Bubba use to give him to procure temporary companions from trailer parks, Carville could afford to leave a tip.
September 5, 2008, 10:47:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Well, there may be more good news for FOX NEWS in the ratings department considering the preliminary network numbers coming in showing McCain drew a bigger audience than Obama.
 
I really being 'informed' by such pundits like Olbermann, Mitchell, Todd and Matthews (and some on this board) that it was going to be different than this? I thought all of the enthusiasm was on the left side of the ledger with those of a more moderate and right of moderate worldview tuning into football, WWF, NASCAR and Miracle Whip commercials.
 
VERO POSSUMUS!
September 5, 2008, 10:58:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
Mark, you are dead wrong.
 
The big news from the O'Reilly/Obama interview was Obama admitting that the surge worked. This was a story picked up across the board... even MSNBC.com had a story about it on the home page!
 
The fact that he finally admitted it succeeded... but STILL couldn't say "I was wrong," was groundbreaking! And in my mind, show a lot about this man.

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September 5, 2008, 11:43:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I agree ImNotBlue. The subtle difference (and evolution) of the candidate's position on the surge from 1/07 to now is a significant story to "informed" people.  
 
I posted here yesterday regarding this headline O'Reilly's interview received . Also, he deserves the congrats because he was able to overcome the radical left's call to boycott his network. Even now at kos, there are diaries regarding the "mistake" Obama has made. Well, it is not a mistake because millions of "informed" viewers will see a maturing of Obama regarding foreign policy wisdom that can only help him.
 
When he finally admits he was wrong in his prediction of a negative impact from the surge and unavoidable defeat in Iraq, he may actually show he has finally achieved some foreign policy heft....Perhaps Olbermann will get that out of him when he interviews him! (snark)
September 5, 2008, 12:04:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
Aw, you edited me?! Aww... boo.
 
I didn't think I said anything too off. I guess I dangled over the political vs TV news line a little too far. My apologies.
 
Me = sorry.
September 5, 2008, 12:12:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"How dare they pay tribute to the victims of 9/11! How are they remember them, I lost friends there! How dare they!"
 
KO
 
I wonder how many times he pounded his fist on his desk while th video played? While the video played, my first reaction was "man, this is going to piss off the leftists." I had no idea Olbyonesidedkanoby would react the way he did. You could see the rage on his face and here it in his voice....
September 5, 2008, 12:12:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
How does that pool camera angle thing work, anyways? McCain looked like a space alien with the neon green behind him. His staff really let him down on that.
September 5, 2008, 12:24:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Olby Sucks | 09.05.08 - 12:17 pm | #  
 
Maybe he wants to close the holocaust museum, after all who needs to be reminded about that!
 
Perhaps a mail KO "Photos from 9/11" campaign is in order. I can get my kids to draw some nice pictures too.
September 5, 2008, 12:38:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
Yeah, they talked about the green, Interloper, last night on FNC. They said (after the speech) it was a mistake... but that they got the blue up there, and that was better.
 
Oh well... I suppose, if you're swayed one way or another by the background... you're not really paying attention anyway.
September 5, 2008, 12:44:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
What makes me wonder even more about Olbermann's sanity now is the fact that he apologized.
 
Why is he sorry?
 
Can anyone give a theory other than mental instability?
September 5, 2008, 1:35:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I have to say, Jeff, I do find it in questionable taste to exploit 9/11 for political purposes.
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Interloper:
 
I read that the green was a huge surprise to the McCain folks and the result of a technical glitch. You'll remember the campaign tried a green backdrop at a Kenner speech some time ago and decided, rightly, it just didn't work. At the RNC (it is speculated that) the picture was suppose to be Walter Reed Army Medical Center, which would have made some contextual sense, but instead was Walter Reed Middle School in North Hollywood, with McCain standing in front of the lush lawn, which made no sense at all. We had friends over to watch the speech, on C-Span, and this picture drew as much curiosity as the "works with her hands and nose" line. One friend speculated it must have been one of McCain's houses. Half the fun of watching conventions is the technical foul-ups and oratorical blunders.

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September 5, 2008, 1:38:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
News Busters is reporting that the radical leftist Code Pink protesters got in with the use of MSNBC badges!
 
If confirmed....oh my what a nice and amusing continuation of the narrative......
 
Palin: "Well, I'm not a member of the permanent political establishment. And I've learned quickly these last few days that if you're not a member in good standing of the Washington elite, then some in the media consider a candidate unqualified for that reason alone."
 
AUDIENCE: "NBC! NBC! NBC! NBC!"
 
I wonder if Andrea Mitchell recovered from that balloon attack those dasterdly right-wingers smashed her with last night?
September 5, 2008, 1:45:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Cee,
 
That balloon incident had me rolling. Even Olby was drawn in by the hilarity of it.
September 5, 2008, 2:16:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I have to say, Jeff, I do find it in questionable taste to exploit 9/11 for political purposes.
 
Ok, rudy.
September 5, 2008, 2:37:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
News Busters is reporting that the radical leftist Code Pink protesters got in with the use of MSNBC badges!
 
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Two words:
 
Thin sourcing.
 
Another word:
 
Very thin sourcing.
September 5, 2008, 2:43:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
I think the NY Daily News missed the boat with their "candidates for the conventions' top tv moments."
 
1. 5 foot nuttin' Andrea Mitchell buried under an avalanche of red, white & blue star spangled balloons.
 
2. Compare & Contrast: Sen. Obama's mile-high speech, "This election is not about me, this election is about you," and the crowd chants, "O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA, O-BA-MA!"
Gov. Palin's speech interrupted by chants of, "U-S-A, U-S-A, U-S-A!"
 
3. A compilation of the many MSNBCBOC convention coverage internal barbs, snarks & outright body slams.
 
4. MSNBCBOC's "BREAKING NEWS" graphic: "Barak Obama is in the building!"
 
5. FNC's Brian Wilson reporting on the Denver delicacy Rocky Mountain Oysters and taking a doggy bag back for the guys. No Fox gals were offered any morsels
September 5, 2008, 3:04:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
One man's exploitation is another man's fitting tribute....
 
The CABLE NEWS angle: As a professional reporter, Keith Olbermann should have been able to either compose himself without commentary OR give the reigns over to Todd and Brokaw and have his breakdown off camera.
 
Putting partisanship aside, his inability to see how inappropriate HIS public reaction would be suggests something serious like I theorized above. And I do not post this to make fun of Olbermann. His reaction and inappropriate handling of it suggests he is incapable of performing the basic duties of a broadcaster for likely serious (non cynical) reasons.
 
Cronkite's reaction to the news of JFK's death or Reynold's anger during Reagan's unknown fate were appropriate stress reactions that did not result in an unprofessional commentary regarding their reaction.
 
Olbermann should have stopped at "I am sorry," and gone to commerical.
September 5, 2008, 3:21:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I am not surprised about MSNBC giving the Code Pink gals badges. Remember that ugly one that interrupted McCain early on? Easy to deduce how she got in, she must have had Olbermanns badge. Even the most highly trained security officer couldn't tell the difference between that gal and KO's mug.
September 5, 2008, 3:24:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
I have to say, Jeff, I do find it in questionable taste to exploit 9/11 for political purposes.
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Being in agreement with Low Blow KO places one in the rarified air breathed only by the cable "down-the-middle" news reporters whose modus operandi consists solely of the dictum "whatever emanates from our side must be praised and promoted and whatever emanates from the other side must be vilified and denigrated.
 
Case in point: A tribute to the 9/11 victims and their families is a tribute to Americans, not Republicans, not Democrats. Anyone who is excluded from participation in that tribute is excluded by their own choice.
September 5, 2008, 3:35:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I just read that BET and TV One did not cover the republican convention at all...no night, even last night.
 
McCain won the ratings battle anyway.
 
And Palin was at an even worse advantage....Telemundo only covered last night...And she came in a close third.
 
I wonder what would have been if Palin had three more networks covering her speech?
September 5, 2008, 3:35:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Oh where is Fox News Fixed My House when you need him!
 
Just watching FNC, they asked the question, Why did Obama appear on FNC? the answer: RATINGS!
 
The #1 Rated Cable News Organization.
 
Simply delicious.
September 5, 2008, 3:36:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


KeithO
Oh he lurks around here all the time, but lost his badge to get in!
 
Or maybe he's working on his own cable news discussion site. You remember, the one that would go live right after labor day? I'm happy to give the guy a plug so you can check out how it's coming along:
 
http://foxnewsisfixed.com/
September 5, 2008, 3:39:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


DeeKay
How dare "they" pay tribute to the victims of 9/11?!
 
How dare they NOT?! It's only a week away. We should never forget what happened that day. He who forgets the past is bound to repeat it...or (paraphrasing now) have it repeated?
 
KO is waaaay over the edge anyway...I ignore him completely.
 
More on topic -- FNC just reported that than 500,000 MORE viewers tuned in to see Sen. McCain's acceptance speech on Thurs. evening, than tuned in to see Obama's last week.  
 
Interesting.
September 5, 2008, 3:46:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
The NFL lead-in to McCain helped a bit, even though it was ridiculed ahead of the fact in some quarters. It gave NBC a boost, but we'll find out later today (probably) if that boost was enough to make NBC #1, or if Fox will take three out of three.
September 5, 2008, 4:01:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
DeeKay:
 
I would simply say you are using "tribute" very loosely, indeed. No one, no one would object to a tribute, but, hopefully, everyone, every good and patriotic American, objects to political pandering of a national tragedy. I suppose there may be some disagreement when that line is crossed and that we might have a disagreement as to which side of the line on which we stand, but I am sure you and others agree with the basic principle.
September 5, 2008, 4:10:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I had NBC on in P-I-P until the game was over. Then, FNC all the way.
>I wonder if Andrea Mitchell recovered from that balloon attack those dasterdly right-wingers smashed her with last night?<
A smaller attack happened on FNC during "On the Record." While Jim Angle was on, some person (from off camera, I guess) snuck in a white balloon with "BIAS" written on it in black marker. It appeared on screen left for a few seconds, and that was it.
September 5, 2008, 4:27:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I was watching some of the drooler the other night and there was a guy in the back grond witha sign that said "Comb your hair Chris." Thought that was funny.
September 5, 2008, 5:56:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Congratulations to FNC for their major successes during this election period.
 
Wow! What ratings!!
 
More people watched McCain than Obama.
 
More people did on FNC than any other network.
 
Obama was on FNC.
 
FNC beat out EVERYONE!!!!!!
 
Our dear friend, the l'il feller, Fox News Fixed My House, must be ecstatic that Obama appeared on BOR last night and other portions of the interview will be broadcast over several days next week. He must also be deeply pleased that more people watch Obama when he appears on FNC than CNN or that extremely low-rated, low regarded news network known as MSNBC and their #1 personality, Olbo the Clown.
 
These past two weeks have proven once again, that FNC is the #1 Cable News Network. Their quality, their professionalism, their fairness, their balance, and their ratings, all incredible.
 
To "our man" Roger Ailes, I say job well done. It's all so incredible, it's what we come to expect from Fox News.
September 5, 2008, 6:24:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
cee | Homepage | 09.05.08 - 3:40 pm | #  
 
You are right, there were several networks that only chose to cover Obama. It's certainly their right, if that's what they want to do with their network. I hope though that they realize that it was a mistake. The overall televison ratings prove that.
September 5, 2008, 6:29:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
On Race for the White House, a McCain gaffe was attributed to Palin, and the slimy part is, it was on purpose. It concerns the luxury jet and e-bay. Palin said this:
 
"While I was at it, I got rid of a few things in the governor’s office that I didn’t believe our citizens should have to pay for.
 
That luxury jet was over the top. I put it on eBay."
 
She never claimed she sold it on e-bay. That would be clear if a clip of her speech was shown. McCain today embellished the story, stating that she sold it on e-bay for a profit. Of course, the clip of him was provided. Someone on the panel pondered about other gaffes Palin may commit.  
 
She didn't gaffe. She promised to get rid of the plane and did. She put it on e-bay. It didn't sell. She sold it, according to Cornblut, to a friend of a friend kind of scenario.
 
Why didn't Gregory show the clip of Palin?  
 
ALso, last night, Howard Fineman, who is always "in the know," claimed that he spoke directly to someone running the Palin end of the campaign and that she was being shipped immediately off to Alaska to handle her affairs and say ggodbye to her son, and that she wouldn't be out in public until next week. She was going to be studying briefings on the plane. And he knew that for sure. Where was she today?
September 5, 2008, 7:13:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I think those networks would have been well-advised if they had carried the RNC, but I also think viewers at BET, and Telemundo would have deserted the networks in droves, Ashley. The RNC is not what anyone could characterize as diverse.
September 5, 2008, 7:31:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Why didn't Gregory show the clip of Palin?  
 
sharm | 09.05.08 - 7:18 pm | #  
 
Probably because Olbermann would not allow it. He does not like facts to be presented on MSNBC.
September 5, 2008, 7:37:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
You are being something of a Pharisee here, Sharon. Legalistically, you are correct. Palin did not specifically say she sold the plane on E-Bay, but she is smart enough to know that she was creating a false impression that people would believe, and she didn't seem to believe should ought to correct that impression. Goodness, even McCain believed it. Lazy, slovenly cable news!
 
I would agree that Gregory should have provided detail and nuance. Lazy, solvenly cable news. But, Palin is not as pure as a Barrow blizzard here.
 
I did notice that the details of the plane sale have finally been set forth, and that the plane was sold substantially below market. The lazy, slovenly, bad boys in cable news haven't mentioned that in much detail.
 
I always thought the plan was that Palin would re-do her convention speech in Wisconsin, then scoot off to Alaska for foreign policy briefings with Liebermann. Is that not what is happening? We wouldn't know. Lazy, slovenly cable news.
 
Do you see a pattern of cable news laziness and slovenliness here?
September 5, 2008, 7:40:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
but I also think viewers at BET, and Telemundo would have deserted the networks in droves, Ashley. The RNC is not what anyone could characterize as diverse.
Mark | 09.05.08 - 7:36 pm | #  
 
Well, it tries to be, but anyone non-white supporting the RNC in the media is viciously attacked from the left. Case in point, Michael Steele and the "Oreo" cookie campaign from the DNC. Obama proved himself quite hypocritical in this area, conerning Steele and Harold Ford, but thats a discussion for elsewhere.
 
Also too bad that you believe that Mark, I disagree with you. I believe that most Americans are open minded, however the owners of these networks apparently are not.
September 5, 2008, 7:46:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
The RNC is not what anyone could characterize as diverse.
Mark | 09.05.08 - 7:36 pm |
 
The audacity of that statement is monumental! i.e., It is not possible for anyone to characterize that X is Y.
 
Oh yeah!
 
The RNC is diverse.....
 
Take that, fella!
September 5, 2008, 7:50:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Without getting into too much substance, getting rid of the plane symbolized cleaning up the government. Jet setting is gone. She also said she got rid of the chef and that she drives to work, all in that same segment of the speech. Where's the false impression? You could argue "false impression" from your point of view, but slovenly on the part of the media? No. It was omission. The "false impression" is that Palin gaffed at best, is a liar at worst. Making herself look good by using facts? I don't see anything wrong with that.
 
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You would have had to have seen Fineman, claiming in no uncertain terms how he was speaking to someone running the campaign and I mean running every part of it, that she was immediately being put on a plane to Alaska, in an all important tone. Nothing was as good as Andrea being assailed by the balloons...
September 5, 2008, 8:07:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The RNC is not what anyone could characterize as diverse.
Mark | 09.05.08 - 7:36 pm | #  
 
Total bs you can't back. Shocker!
September 5, 2008, 8:17:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Would the media do any kind of breakdown of maintenance cost saved in the long run? Wouldn't that be fair? Here is what I found, which may or may not be accurate:
 
"Murphy also cautions that the purchase price of a private/business jet is merely the beginning of expenses. Typically, the owner of a jet is looking at $350,000-$400,000 of debt service yearly on the plane and that much again in maintenance, upkeep and costs such as fuel and crew. "
 
http://tinyurl.com/5rsq44
 
Slovenly reporting for not taking that kind of expense into account? Slovenly, at best.
September 5, 2008, 8:18:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
Even if she did not say she "sold" it on eBay, that was certainly the impression she gave. One would have thought at least one of the commentators would have brought that up after the speech. It's not like the airplane story was new.
September 5, 2008, 8:24:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I was initially fooled by "FBN breaks into New York." I was hoping it meant Cablevision finally picked it up. Of course, that wasn't the case! As a result, my Cablevision Derangement Syndrome has been inflamed.
September 5, 2008, 8:38:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
The discussion has veered far off cable news so I had to get heavy-handed with the moderation. If you didn't see your msg make it, that's why.
September 5, 2008, 8:51:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
Fair and balanced moderation, Johnny, just like FoxNews.
 
Incidentally, CNN came up with a story on the green screen right after I posted my comment. Does that mean they think like me? Scary.
September 5, 2008, 9:30:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
It's total BS that O'Reilly stretched the Obama interview over 4 days and skipped tonight. By the sound of it, the first and second will be good Q&A, the third will be cooling off, the fourth "who is Barack" will be happy Barack-the-rock-star-celebrate-his-history time.
September 5, 2008, 9:38:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I had nothing to do with it, Johnny.
September 5, 2008, 9:46:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
This stuff about 9/11 somehow being off limits in a political sense, is just nonsense.
 
Would images from the attack on Pearl Harbor or of violence during MLK's marches have bothered Olbermann?  
 
Hell, no. He might as well argue that McCain was being disrespectful to war dead by using images of Vietnam.
 
It's not logical to state that you have friends who died in a national attack and then have no desire to see the horror of that day commemorated and the horror unforgotten.
 
And that's the rub. It's not the pictures, it's the philosophy of who is showing them. It's the conclusions THEY drew from the event.
 
Well, sorry Edward R. Moron, you don't own all the memories of 9/11 or control all the responses of those it affected. And it's the height of irony that in a process of people you hate remembering those friends of yours, you were compelled to use a national audience to make it -- not about the country or anyone's views about what's good for our country-- but about you personally.
 
I don't think you can politicize that day more than that. You certainly can't be more guilty of using it for your own devices.
September 6, 2008, 1:47:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Thanks for the link to Robert Novak's column, Johnny. I've been wondering how things were going for him and it sounds like things are as good as can be considering his situation.
 
FF, I agree with you about the CNN free loaders. How cheap can you get! Even if CNN is going to calculate and leave a 15% gratuity the individuals should be ashamed to not be generous toward their wait staff.
 
My brother and nephew own a few very nice Bar and Grills where my money is no good. So when it comes time to leave I calculate what my bill would have been and leave a 50% tip. It sounds reasonable to me.
September 6, 2008, 1:51:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply