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Friday Links & Open Thread

Friday's latest cable news links [updated at 7:08 pm]:

Karl Rove goes nuclear on Dan Abrams.

Q&A: CNN's John King.

CNN attack planned?

Quest arrest.

Fox & Friends Saturday lineup.

Crybaby Keith?

Hotline quotes.

Video: Geraldo's gaffe?

David Gregory rules msnbc.com.

Monday's must-miss.

Q&A: Juan Williams.

GE/MSNBC scuttlebutt.

Joe walks.

Foxy ladies.

It's a boy!

RTCD: Alexis Glick (via ICN), Sharpton with Fox, the "Fox effect". Pix: Housley, Camerota.


Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.

On The Mark
The Cable Gamer piece is really rather silly. NBC/MSNBC is not that significant a piece of the GE portfolio, and I am sure Immelt has far more pressing concerns than Olbermann. GE's struggles are not related to NBC/MSNBC in any significant way, but are instead tied to a rapidly declining dollar, the Bush recession and the recession's impact upon the global economy. Analysis and perspective in this article are sorely lacking.
April 18, 2008, 8:04:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Doing business with the enemy, Iran, will do wonders for business. GE shareholders are selling off left and right. O'Reilly read e-mail after e-mail the other night of some of those shareholders who were dumping their GE. I think the Cable Gamer piece is "on the mark."
April 18, 2008, 12:13:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

"the Bush recession"
April 18, 2008, 12:21:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Thanks for the Geraldo link. Can never miss with a clip that makes Geraldo look insensitive and vacuous.  
I have come to like Kilmeade, at least a bit, and the expression on his face was priceless. Seems like Kilmeade is forever surrounded by people for whom depth has more to do with the sizes of their bathtubs than anything cerebral.
April 18, 2008, 1:00:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I thought the Geraldo joke and subsequent reaction were tame; much ado by Hot Air (shocker, they/Michelle hate him) about nothing. As a whole, the extended segment with him and Joe Piscopo was great. Funny how the Hot Air people paid no attention to that.
Re: "must-miss": I prefer to think of Hewlett-Packard when I see the initials "HP."
In case anyone gets the wrong idea by the link, Eric Shawn will be co-hosting the special F&F tomorrow, not Sean Hannity.
That was an excellent article by Peter Wehner at "National Review."
April 18, 2008, 3:34:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Good links, Johnny. The NR piece was a "must-see".
Speaking of crybabies... I'm not sure if Joe Scarborough is going down that path or has started to take some much needed stands.
He seem to have gotten much testier on Morning Joe, especially with his co-host Mika. She is exasperating in her constant interruptions, and she's certainly there to give contrast his views in a way that MSNBC wouldn't think necessary for a more liberal host, but she's so smart and honest that I enjoy her tremendously.
Anyway, there have been several incidences where Joe has petulantly made it clear that he's being treated like a step-child at MSNBC.  
You signed up for that Joe. MSNBC is going to treat a former sports caster like he's an analytical genius and they're going to treat a Republican who has been a political insider as though he's one step up from Ricky Bobby in Talladega Nights (or in the case of Pat Buchanan, as a periodically useful devil).  
I think Joe has ceased to enjoy what MSNBC does offer him-- a chance to delve into all things political, be paid well for it, and to be around bright people who love it as well. He's started to get angry.  
I'm coloring him... gone....
April 18, 2008, 4:50:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Good comments, C.
April 18, 2008, 5:03:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
>[Joe Scarborough]'s started to get angry.<
He's always been angry. It's in full effect when bashing FNC and BOR.
The Juan Williams link goes to a different story. I had to type "Juan Williams" in the website's 14-day search to find the article. Here it is:
April 18, 2008, 5:39:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Thanks, Johnny!
I really like Joe, Mike, and take this for what it's worth...sheer conjecture...but I think any angry words Joe has voiced about O'Reilly is because of the pressure he's placed on himself. He's frustrated that O'Reilly doesn't feel it as well.
He's in a situation where he's been pressured to prove himself as being someone who will 'honestly critique his own side', as it were. Liberals on MSNBC don't have to prove this, but conservatives always do.
In fact, during the '06 elections Chris Matthews explicitly said that was why Joe was included on the Hardball political panel (Tim Russert nodding all the while).
I think Joe's only chance for being comfortable in his job is if he stops trying to prove himself as being capable of honest analysis and just gives honest analysis.
April 18, 2008, 6:32:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Thanks Mike for letting me know that Juan link went bad. I fixed it.
April 18, 2008, 7:09:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Added a link to Karl Rove's blast at Dan Abrams. Thermonuclear. And there's a pretty wild youtube clip just added over at OlbyWatch. Check it out.
April 18, 2008, 7:14:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Why would Dan Abrams or ANYONE from MSNBC let the truth get in the way of their opinions.
April 18, 2008, 9:07:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
I was there was a link from this comment page. I'ts almost impossible to know what the article these comments belong to
April 18, 2008, 9:30:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Tonight's WPITW once again proved Keith has a monumental, Grand Canyon-sized Olbsession with BOR. KO is so paranoid that he actually thinks all of BOR's anti-GE/NBC reporting is because of him. As BOR would tell any e-mailer that sounds nutty, "You need to get some fresh air." Media Matters was the source, wasn't it? It was quite a distortion of last night's P&P segment (at least the first half of it). Here's the real thing:
April 18, 2008, 9:41:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
One other thing: "You want to take me on? Do so, be a grown up, fight your own battles for a change..." Look who's talking.
April 18, 2008, 9:47:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Yes! I've had "Celebration" and "Taking Care of Business" in my head since finding out that all those kids from the YFZ compound are staying in TX custody. Hopefully, I'm not gleeful for nothing, you know, if there's an appeal.
April 18, 2008, 10:08:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Bill had Marc Rudov on tonight. Marc has become a frequent contributor on O'Reilly. While Marc posits some good points, I can't help to but wish that Bill bid adieu to him. What are others' opinions on Rudov?
April 18, 2008, 10:32:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
I like Marc. He amuses me and I appreciate his bluntness , i think half of what he says is nonsense but it's funnily said nonsense.
April 18, 2008, 10:41:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

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April 18, 2008, 10:45:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Why so hateful Lucifer? Oh, wait...
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April 18, 2008, 10:50:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
How are the reptoids doing, Lucifer?
April 18, 2008, 10:54:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
Why so hateful Lucifer? Oh, wait..
Progressives are perpetually bitter.
April 18, 2008, 10:58:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I don't take Marc Rudov seriously. I think he's bitter about women because he had a bitter divorce. But still, he can be quite irritating. He's even worse on "Your World" where he doesn't have to be reigned in (excessive bloviating, talking over other guests) as much as he is on "The Factor."
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April 18, 2008, 11:27:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
Mike: The thing I can't stand about O is when he talks over his guest... or the segment is like 20 seconds long and he's taking 19 seconds to ask his question.
April 18, 2008, 11:30:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Mike, with reference to the compound children, I believe we have only a temporary order, so it is unlikely there will be an actual appeal. The temporary order can be revisited at any time. Even if the order were to become permanent, it too could be revisited at any time there are changed circumstances.
In the longer run, I think the authorities have a very tough battle facing them. At some point, some solid evidence is going to have to be presented. Perhaps, they have some such evidence and have withheld it for tactical reasons, planning to bring it out only when absolutely necessary. The only sure-fire protection for the children is if some of the mothers come forward proactively or that some of the men are convicted of sexual or physical abuse. The historical record of this is minimal.
There is, of course, another remedial measure which only the federal authorities could effectively undertake: vigorous enforcment of the bigamy laws in the interstate flight context. However, we have seen very little action in this regard, and I expect little. This is not just a Bush and Bush DOJ slam. No Administration has undertaken such action for political reasons I should think are evident to all.  
I see some glimmer of hope in some extensive and thorough cable news coverage of the incident. In that regard, I think Anderson Cooper, despite his raging narcism, and Campbell Brown ought to be singled out. I don't want to exclude any other reporters or newtworks, I have simply gone single source with the CNN group on this story.
It does seem to me that this is a tailor-made opportunity for cable news, with the ability to present information quickly (as broadcast news), but also thoroughly (as a newspaper). This news could put pressure the feds to finally act decisively and effectively and could aid the state and local authorities in educating us all to the inherent danger presented.
This entire episode is an abomination, a word I virtually never use, and I hope and pray the authorities and the media are up to the task in front of them.
I know this was a bit off subject and far too rambling. My apologies to all.
April 18, 2008, 11:34:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Rudov, whether he's paired with Hoover or Wiehl, is just annoying. His segments w/ Cavuto and O'Reilly are easily my least favorites on each program.
April 18, 2008, 11:44:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
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You've given me a lot to absorb, OTM. But I agree, this entire ordeal is saddening. I hope those kids, if the order becomes permanent, are able to adjust to the outside world.
Yeah, Vince, some of BOR's questions are long, but many personalities do that. Guests are usually eager to answer before the question is completed, especially if via satellite. Pauses of more than 1/2 second between sentences are especially deceiving. If you're face-to-face, you can see if they're finished or not.
Mostly "O'Reilly Factor" segments are 5 to 7 minutes long.
April 18, 2008, 11:57:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Marc gets me to side with Hoover and Wiehl each time. I like both women anyway, especially Hoover, since she's closer to my age (30 to my 26).
April 19, 2008, 12:16:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
but many personalities do that  
I was restraining my criticism.. I could go into a paragraphs long complaint about H&C  
Mostly "O'Reilly Factor" segments are 5 to 7 minutes long.
Um, I was joking when I said 20 seconds.. exageratting
April 19, 2008, 12:24:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I had a feeling your were joking, but I wanted to play the straight man (comedic, not heterosexual, but I *am* straight).
And now, on to the weekend thread.
April 19, 2008, 11:42:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
"In the longer run, I think the authorities have a very tough battle facing them. At some point, some solid evidence is going to have to be presented."
OTM, aren't impregnated girls in their early teens who are married to a 50 y/o man evidence of abuse? Case closed, child abuse, child rape, and polygamy are all illegal.
It was fascinating watching O'Reilly last night while he grilled the republican congressman from Utah about the situation. The congressman kept waffling on whether polygamist cults should be illegal, not wanting to disenfranchise his base while simultaneously being against the YFZ cult for their child abuse. While he couldn't come out and say it, he supports illegal polygamy because he was likely elected by committed polygamists.
April 19, 2008, 12:33:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
FoxFan: Logic and the law aren't always the same. Just look at the presumption of paternity for child support purposes. Almost impossible to overcome ....
I do agree with the analysis of why there are so few prosecutions for polygamy.
April 19, 2008, 2:51:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
True, logic and law don't always agree with everyone because logic is based on hard facts while laws are determined by consensus of morality. However, the widespread state of impregnation of children in this case is undeniable.  
They may be able to claim that other children impregnated the kids, but considering the structured and limited lives forced upon them by the elder men it is highly unlikely. The dirty laundry will be aired and we'll see...
April 19, 2008, 6:20:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Lose Rudov. His segments only hurt the Factor.
April 20, 2008, 9:46:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply