1/19/10 11:18 AM

Wednesday Links and Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Tuesday's numbers: FNC sweeps!

Jon Klein's biggest problem.

Video: Greta in Mexico.

Studio-B now in HD.

Ed Henry reflects.

What is this? A fool's errand?

Hotline after dark.

Arianna sez yes. Kudlow sez no: is there a double standard?

Video: Maddow with Fallon. Vote: Skinner v Malveaux.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




cee
CNN really displayed why they are simply becoming a joke in the ratings....Bill Schneider once again showed his excellent perception and critical thinking skills:
 
"The president appears very comfortable discussing complex issues and often performs well in these press conferences. It is no doubt reassuring to many Americans.
 
"And take note: He is responding without a teleprompter."
 
http://tinyurl.com/d25h7a
 
###
Reassuring? Obama used a teleprompter at the beginning of the presser that was positioned straight in front of him and made him look like a hostage reading the terrorists' list of demands....This American was not reassured.
 
That new position of the teleprompter was strategic so that the two side screens were not there to be seen and be in the way of camera shots for the 50 minutes he took questions. It was obvious he was very uncomfortable with the cheater screen directly in front, under the camera. I felt like he was talking to my navel. He even looked to the sides tentatively and awkwardly during his prepared remarks.
 
Schneider has to explain to me how and when other leaders responded to reporters questions with a teleprompter! Also, I will have to search to see if MSNBC, or CNN that matter, did any real journalism last night like fact checking on our dear leader.
March 25, 2009, 5:59:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I hope The FOX Nation is real. It sounds good.
March 25, 2009, 9:45:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


GrandpaD
"What is this?"
 
A film promotion? foxnation.com is registered to Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation. Sort of strange if this is a Fox News promotion.
March 25, 2009, 9:46:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
They're running promos for it on FNC. That's why it looks like a news promotion. But maybe it is some movie tie-in.
March 25, 2009, 9:48:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply


GrandpaD
The link to the index.html page shows a little more. (Some links there work.) So now I'm inclined to think it's a new Fox News web site.
March 25, 2009, 10:00:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Excellent detective work. That does get us a step further.
March 25, 2009, 10:03:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Vistrol thank you for your advise, I think.
 
If I have time today, I will try to make sense of your various threads and determine if my posts made it to the published status. But really, playing hide and seek is very time consuming, to someone not use to your site.
 
I did have my own set of computer/halscan problems yesterday, so I will persevere but off the top of my head. Posts that did not contain the words Red Eye had no problem. I am still searching for posts that did and any conversation that went on along with them.
 
So if it conversation that you would like, you don't make it easy. For me, I find a lack of continuity plain and simple. The why could be more complicated.
March 25, 2009, 11:19:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
I saw the promo last night and wanted to be the first kid on the block to claim gravatar rights
 
http://www.thefoxnation.com/
March 25, 2009, 11:21:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
cee | 03.25.09 - 6:04 am | #  
 
I have to disagree with you on this. Obama was not using the telprompter to answer questions since he could not know them in advance.
 
It was a better positioning because it didn't have those little prompters right and left.
 
A supposedly intelligent man should not be using those as much as he does.
March 25, 2009, 11:23:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I do believe someone is upset with CNN.
 
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5323704
 
These clowns are on the bottom rung of the internet. Just below the House of Hounds.
March 25, 2009, 11:38:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
So if it conversation that you would like, you don't make it easy. For me, I find a lack of continuity plain and simple. The why could be more complicated.
onefortheroad | 03.25.09 - 11:24 am | #  
 
Bad management AND you're out to get him, Johnny!
 
A twofer!
March 25, 2009, 11:52:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Not necessarily bad management, as I said I had my own set of problems.  
 
But whether you prefer to hear your own voice Cecelia is probably debatable.
 
You are quite comfortable, so you don't see your site from the view point of an outsider.
 
I simply find it rather strange, for lack of a better word, that these problems only materialized yesterday and that some posts just don't seem to have made it through.
 
If you prefer an echo chamber though I will understand, dear and move on or go back to my Canadian Blogs. Perhaps I misunderstood your interests. That is entirely possible.
March 25, 2009, 12:29:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Vistrol thank you for your advise, I think.
If I have time today, I will try to make sense of your various threads and determine if my posts made it to the published status.-onefortheroad
 
They're not MY threads, anymore than the clothes you're wearing.
 
You'd never know it, but buddy I'm a kind of poet, and I've got a lot of things I'd like to say.
March 25, 2009, 12:32:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
BillOReilly.com has a link today in O'Round The World to a NPR story on FNC.
It was good...until Glenn Beck's name came up. Glenn, Bill, and Sean Hannity were equally described as "largely right of center; in Beck's case, largely right of right of center." There we go again. That's the Bill Maher/Keith Olbermann/Andrew Ross Sorkin/Sen. Bernie Sanders/other person meme. Beck's nuts! "...His depiction of the country is frequently bleak and conspiratorial." Real nice, David Folkenflik (NPR). Real nice.

Link in Tuesday's post - Edited By Siteowner
March 25, 2009, 12:49:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
But whether you prefer to hear your own voice Cecelia is probably debatable.
 
----------------------
 
Glenn Stimpson | 03.08.09 - 10:21 pm | #
 
zzzzzzzzzzzz
March 25, 2009, 1:28:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
They're not MY threads, anymore than the clothes you're wearing.
 
You'd never know it, but buddy I'm a kind of poet, and I've got a lot of things I'd like to say.
vstol | 03.25.09 - 12:37 pm | #  
 
Well that is nice buddy, I'll await the poet!
 
As to threads, it was just a generic term, I was talking about the sites threads. Didn't mean to give you ownership, although I am not sure why that is a problem. You where giving me pointers, so I will have a look at the threads you mentioned. Is that better?
 
I forgot how you all like to nitpick, I noticed that the last time I thought of posting here. Again the you is not you, yourself, but the site in general. Since I can't remember who took exception last time.
March 25, 2009, 1:28:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Blackflon | 03.25.09 - 11:28 am
 
I did not think Obama was using the teleprompter for answering questions, I was being sarcastic over Schneider's observation that he was not using the teleprompter to answer reporters' questions....it was like saying, "Look, Barry Bonds is not using the T-Ball stand!"
 
Not to go off topic, but the lack of the usual side screens as prompters was discussed by Brett Baier on FOX. He theorized it was because of Obama's "crutch" criticism as of late, which may be, but I really think it was because those screens would have looked silly in the camera angles as he was answering the questions. Not a big deal but if we only see Obama in public forums with those little rectangular glass panes on either side of him, it will start to become part of a continuing public joke. This image concious White House is well aware of that potential.
 
I think using outlines on a written card is something any good public speaker could use but I suppose Obama really wants to say, verbatim, what was crafted in private.
March 25, 2009, 2:24:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh my. Another website linked favorably to my post about the newsmutts attacking O'Reilly and the Alexa Foundation. That immediately brought out a furious response by someone from the kennel (not sure who). The beauty of it is how thoroughly the site's editor demolishes the hound 'arguments' and leaves them sputtering ad hominem slurs. Read through the comments:
 
http://tinyurl.com/dbknns
March 25, 2009, 2:51:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
> Link in Tuesday's post - Edited By Siteowner
Wow, my first edited comment. I wish I had noticed it yesterday. I'm very sorry. Can you move that comment to yesterday's thread?
March 25, 2009, 2:57:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
14tr,
 
I didn't think you meant to give me ownership, but JIC, I wanted to make it clear. There are some in the outer limits of the twilight zone who believe I'm a nom de plume or clone or mini J$.
 
Also, the "you all like to nitpick" claim is far fetched.
 
Certainly, not "ALL like to nitpick."   
 
Occasionally, a few like to point out what could be considered nitpicky stuff, but it's usually in a playful manner, meant more as a friendly jab. (Though I readily concede that some may be intentional low blows)
 
I have noticed J$ & many commenters are sticklers for honesty on substantive issues and accuracy when making statements. For what it's worth, that was the primary appeal for me to hang out here.
March 25, 2009, 3:16:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Oh I so enjoyed reading that article then comments/responses between "C" (must stand for Coward" and the site owner.  
 
Thanks J$.
March 25, 2009, 3:26:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
With "Studio B" finally going HD (it already had on FOXNews.com), that leaves the following shows that remain in SD:
"The Live Desk"
"Your World"
"Special Report"
"Red Eye"
"Bulls & Bears"
"Cavuto on Business"
"Forbes on FOX"
"Cashin' In"
"America's News HQ"
"The Journal Editiorial Report"
"The Beltway Boys"
"Fox News Watch"
"Geraldo at Large"
All news breaks
March 25, 2009, 3:36:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
"nitpicking" - I hit publish instead of preview one of the first times I came here and one of my posts was thoroughly pulled apart. I found it a little over the top, to be honest, so I ran away for a while.
 
Besides you tend to talk a lot about things that I can not join in on, so I just lurk for the most part. Reading what interests me and ignoring the rest.
 
"accuracy when making statements.", if links are frowned on, how can you verify/backup statements or ensure their accuracy?
March 25, 2009, 3:51:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Links are not frowned upon. Posting one link after another is frowned upon. Links should be used as an adjunct to comments by readers. I want an exchange of comments, not a battle of links postings.
March 25, 2009, 3:55:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
The newsliar known as "C" that posted on IUSB was totally eviscerated by the author on every point. Nicely done!
March 25, 2009, 4:01:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
So who was it?
March 25, 2009, 4:06:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Fox don't seem to know what they want when it comes to how President Obama should be acting while being interviewed.
 
Only last week they were beside themselves with outrages...Why was this I hear you ask....Well the President had the audacity to laugh during his interview for 60 minutes...more than once....outrageous behaviour.
 
Then last night the President held another press conference...No laughing this time....So the Friends were mystified....saying he never even smiled....The guy can't win.
 
This was a strange one....O'reilly/Hannity/Friends thought the PC was boring...I'm curious as to what they expected....maybe someone here acn help me out on this one. Note to President Obama for next PC....This may help keep the folk over at Fox happy. Why not hand out party hats and poppers and cans of funny string.....Maybe the President could even wear funny glasses....These are only suggestions to keep those poor Foxers from getting board.
March 25, 2009, 4:13:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
TAKE ACTION: Tell O’Reilly’s Advertisers To Stop Supporting The O’Reilly Harassment Machine  
 
AT&T has responded with this statement from spokesman Michael Coe:
 
AT&T continually evaluates our advertising efforts to make certain that we are reaching consumers in effective and meaningful ways. We also make every effort to ensure that the content of the programming on the stations and outlets on which we advertise is in keeping with our corporate values and philosophy.
 
UpdateMr. Coe from AT&T called to complain about our email campaign, saying it is “harassment.” ThinkProgress noted that if he thinks receiving e-mails is harassment, he will surely think that stalking and accosting a person on vacation is outrageous. Hopefully, AT&T and the other advertisers will use its influence over O’Reilly to urge him to end his practice of “ambush journalism.”
 
Looks like another attempt at smearing Fox News is backfiring. LOL!
March 25, 2009, 4:14:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
So who was it?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 4:11 pm | #  
 
I don't think it is somebody who "occasionally posts there (newshounds)." 8)
March 25, 2009, 4:25:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
>Looks like another attempt at smearing Fox News is backfiring.
I sure hope so.
And I think "C" at IUSB was Claudo.
March 25, 2009, 4:25:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Makes sense.
March 25, 2009, 4:48:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If you prefer an echo chamber though I will understand, dear and move on or go back to my Canadian Blogs. Perhaps I misunderstood your interests. That is entirely possible.
onefortheroad | 03.25.09 - 12:34 pm | #  
 
Responding to your implications that you suspect that you may have been treated unfairly or perhaps even underhandedly by the moderator here, is NOT tantamount to demanding your silence.  
 
But nice try with THAT smear.
March 25, 2009, 4:57:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Fox swept the ratings yesterday, including the Presidential Press Conference.
 
As I've always said....For important events....The people turn to the one they trust for straight shooting.
March 25, 2009, 5:24:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 5:29 pm | #  
 
Ain't that the truth!!! :lol:
March 25, 2009, 5:27:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Haggis | 03.25.09 - 4:18 pm | #  
 
One of the dumbest post you have ever made. Do you not watch other news programs or pundits?
 
Do us all a favor and don't post again until you know what you're talking about.
March 25, 2009, 5:49:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
"is NOT tantamount to demanding your silence.
 
But nice try with THAT smear."
Cecelia | 03.25.09 - 5:02 pm | #
 
If the voice can't be heard, ie post disappearing into thin air, that is not demanding my silence?
 
If the posts are not simply lost, or misplaced, but if in fact they disappear entirely. The poster is silenced, are they not?
 
If every second post disappears, how can you follow the argument the poster is making? Conversation beings to become pointless, would you not agree?
 
I have not said this is the case, so I see no smear. Obviously you have a different take.
 
I am simply trying to find some of the posts that I made yesterday. I hate when people post the same things over and over again, don't you? I have no wish to do this if the post has simply been moved to a thread I have not managed to find yet.
 
For example I did find your "Rant" yesterday, that included a Canadian Blog that you do approved of. I was going to make a comment about this blog, but the previous post is still missing in action. Sorry but that breaks my train of thought, but I do appreciate that this might be my problem though and not yours.
March 25, 2009, 5:54:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
"accuracy when making statements.", if links are frowned on, how can you verify/backup statements or ensure their accuracy?onefortheroad | 03.25.09 - 3:56 pm | #
=-=
 
This is more along the lines of what I'm talking about:
 
"Fox don't seem to know what they want when it comes to how President Obama should be acting while being interviewed......"-Haggis
 
The above is a good example of dishonesty, coupled with inaccuracy, shrouded in deception, which will eventually be passed off as humour.
 
1. FOX News doesn't "want" any type of behavior from the President.
 
2. FNC reports the President's behavior in different situations, as does every other news organazation in the world.
 
3. FNC commentators and opinion show hosts express opinions and share comments on the appropriateness of the President's behavior in different situations, as does every other news organazation in the world.
 
4. Setting up a false equality between the President's behavior while appearing on the taped Leno show or on an edited interview with Steve Croft on 60 Minutes with an official live Presidential statement and news conferance with the White House press corps in the White House behind a lectern with the Seal of the President of the United States of America firmly ensconsed for all the world to see which is aired on every major broadcast and cable news network in the country is a perfect example of just how far some will go and how just how dishonest some are willing to be for the sole purpose of criticizing a cable news network.
March 25, 2009, 5:55:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"ROFL! His and his circle jerk aren't obsessed with Olberman!!!!"
 
I see this at least 10 times a day posted on various far left blogs where supposed "moderates" flock and I LMAO every time I see it. If we're luck there are 2 posts a week dedicated to Fauxbermann here, correct? Some more some less might be better.
 
Even on posts where Fauxbermann is part of or the actual topic some "moderate" will throw out the "obsessed" claim if anyone who disagrees types his name. Ironically, guess what news channel these certain blogs and commenters dedicate most or all of their time to smearing? You guessed it. Now, who's obsessed?
March 25, 2009, 6:00:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 5:29 pm |
 
Touché   
 
The only reason that FNC got higher numbers is plainly obvious.....The Right Wing tune in to get the talking points pre/post PC....Take O'reilly's ramblings for instance. I notice you didn't repost my comments that I made about what he would say post PC....Spot on analysis by me as usual....You have to admit.
March 25, 2009, 6:02:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Blackflon | 03.25.09 - 5:54 pm |
 
Personal attacks are always a good sign that a raw nerve has been touched.
March 25, 2009, 6:07:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
"I agree with you about the rantings of the hopelessly pig-headed Mr. O’Reilly, recognize that I am just an innocent bystander in this email letter silliness. I work at Ford and support Ford, but have no idea how the decisions are made on where we advertise. Frankly, as a mainstream company, we advertise everywhere there are good ratings. That is not an endorsement of the show — that is recognition that people are watching the show. Don’t know why they watch that mindless ranting. But they watch in droves. Welcome to America, I guess."
 
Mark Schirmer
 
A Ford Motor Co "spokesman?" Looks like the unemployment line will be one person longer, tomorrow. Maybe MSNBC could put him to work.
March 25, 2009, 6:11:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
With CNN providing the worst in talkings heads, and MSNBC's Obama lovefest, FNC is growing leaps and bounds in the ratings.
 
The people know quality. Congrats FNC!
March 25, 2009, 6:12:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Chuck Norton
Thanks for the props guys   
 
Editor, IUSB Vision
March 25, 2009, 6:14:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
vstol | 03.25.09 - 6:00 pm | #
 
I'll have to take your word for it
 
I don't get Fox so without specific links, to prove your point, it's all double dutch to me.
March 25, 2009, 6:33:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 6:16 pm |  
 
Mark Schirmer is obviously a very wise man.
 
Quick OS fire up the old email account and complain....Oooops aren't you already complaining about folk complaining...I suppose that would just make you look hypocritical. looks like you hard up against the proverbial brick wall there.
March 25, 2009, 6:33:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Last night's ratings might indicate Jon Klein does, in fact, have a good understanding "the single most important problem" he has.
 
No kidding.
March 25, 2009, 6:35:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Personal attacks are always a good sign that a raw nerve has been touched.
Haggis | 03.25.09 - 6:12 pm | #  
 
That was no personal attack. That was a well intentioned suggestion.
March 25, 2009, 6:40:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Quick OS fire up the old email account and complain....Oooops aren't you already complaining about folk complaining...I suppose that would just make you look hypocritical. looks like you hard up against the proverbial brick wall there.
Haggis | 03.25.09 - 6:38 pm | #  
 
Wrong again, hagster. You and your cohorts are the ones sending the harassing e-mails. I have better things to do.
March 25, 2009, 6:59:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
I'll have to take your word for it.-14tr
 
Really?
 
Youcan't judge #4 on its merits?Nothing about FOX News in that one.
March 25, 2009, 7:07:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
>Thanks for the props guys  
 
You're welcome, Chuck.
March 25, 2009, 7:13:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
I have better things to do.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 7:04 pm | # 
 
I forgot all about your vital undercover work...Are you saying you cover would be blown if you e-mailed your outrage to Mr Schirmer? 
 
"You and your cohorts are the ones sending the harassing e-mails"
 
Your making a very serious claim there...Can you post your proof that I've sent such an e-mail....If not please retract your claim and apologies....I think Johnny will be on my side over this one.
March 25, 2009, 7:19:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "Fool's errand?": Now, I'm worried that partisans on the right (namely, far-right) will post at Fox Nation, a blue blog will take that post and write about it at their blog, and you-know-who will make somebody at FNC or News Corp WPitW. Then, you-know-who will use that as ammunition for future attacks. That Hitler/monkey nonsense from two weeks ago comes to mind.
March 25, 2009, 7:22:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Or have I been whipped into paranoia by Spud for nothing? (No offense yet again.)
March 25, 2009, 7:23:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I don't get Fox -14TR
 
Does this mean that your cable provider doesn't carry FNC or that you don't understand the channel in general? 2 & 3 are both patently true statements that are applied to all network news.
 
BTW, excellent post vstol.
March 25, 2009, 7:31:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
For example I did find your "Rant" yesterday, that included a Canadian Blog that you do approved of. I was going to make a comment about this blog, but the previous post is still missing in action. Sorry but that breaks my train of thought, but I do appreciate that this might be my problem though and not yours.
onefortheroad | 03.25.09 - 5:59 pm | # 
 
So you're implying that silence has been "demanded" of you via your claim about some missing posts.
 
Rather than make conjectures on the board, why don't you directly ASK Johnny if he booted your posts, and if so, for what reason.
 
Private email would be a good vehicle for that, where you can discuss the ends and outs of the matter without making negative allusions in your posts that you may have been the victim of dark forces beyond the kin of your newbie understanding. 
 
Yeah, I'm going to react to your inferences.
 
There's been honest and forthright response to all your posts that have appeared on this board. The suggestion I wish to squelch you because I directly addressed your allusions to such a plot, is unfair.
 
If after discussing it with the moderator, you feel you've been "silenced" in some way, you can certainly come and scream bloody murder about it. Haggis routinely levels that sort of accusation when his topics (rather than the topics Johnny has linked) don't get posted and when his posts are denied because of links. Johnny has not "silenced" him by refusing to post his complaints.
March 25, 2009, 7:41:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Mike,
 
You worry too much about stuff.
 
Worry is a totally useless emotion. It accomplishes only one thing; it makes the worrier feel bad.
 
If you pray, why worry?
March 25, 2009, 7:41:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Thanks for the props guys
 
Editor, IUSB Vision
Chuck Norton | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 6:19 pm | # 
 
You rock, Chuck!
March 25, 2009, 7:44:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Cecelia, on more than one occasion 14tr has sought to post links to, or discuss, issues about the Canadian military. This appears to be her particular hobby horse. I have tried to make it clear to her that this site is about cable news, and when she posts on that topic there is no problem. But because she got all bothered about the Red Eye business she wants to keep it going by sliding the topic over to politics. Articles about Canadian military preparedness or the like are not on topic here. I mean what next, projected hoe-handle distribution in Saskatchewan for fiscal year 2009-2010?
March 25, 2009, 7:45:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Haggis,
 
Tell you what, old sport. 
 
You retract or correct only three of your most recent fabrications, falsehoods or distortions, and I'll back you up 100% on your request for a retraction from OS.
 
Deal?
March 25, 2009, 7:47:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I mean what next, projected hoe-handle distribution in Saskatchewan for fiscal year 2009-2010?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 7:50 pm | # 
 
That sounds fascinating! By all means link to that, Johnny! Please!...
March 25, 2009, 7:52:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Well where to start, at the beginning with,
Cecelia | 03.25.09 - 7:46 pm | # , who is rather indignant that I should feel slighted or,
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.25.09 - 7:50 pm | # , with the confirmation that my posts have simply disappeared into cyberspace.
 
Political – From the Canadian POV I guess this did end up as a political issue, but that boat was pushed off by Red Eye, not me. 
 
As to Cable News – who’s, America’s? 
 
As I explained your cable news is not necessarily my cable news. So which sites are acceptable and which are not? For example: You use a Canadian Blog in your “Rant”, but frown on Canadian Blogs in General. A little selective don’t you think, as well as confusing.
 
It’s ok for an American Cable News Show to joke about Canada and Canadians, but when we are called thin skinned it is not ok to use our shows to illustrate that Americans might be just as enraged? If the tables were turned? 
 
As to: “Articles about Canadian military preparedness or the like are not on topic here.”, since I never posted any such thing I have no idea what you are talking about. I did try and post a video that included Lt. Gen. Leslie’s views on how his words were taken out of context, and since the case being built for our lack of preparedness concerned his comments, I am not sure how that is off base.
 
As to the: “Saskatchewan” quip, very funny I’ll give you a LOL, but I live rather east of there so I can assure you it wouldn’t happen.
 
As to” hobby horse”, did you not show a clip a few weeks ago about Fox trying to make in roads in the Canadian Market? 
 
News flash, Canada is not the 51st State so until the situation changes I can only use clips and links from the media we have and not the media you might like us to have.
March 25, 2009, 9:29:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
onefortheroad,
 
The more apt statement would be "Cecelia, who is rather indignant that I endlessly feel slighted."
 
News flash-- all my posts don't make it to the board here either. 
 
At some point I hope you move on from this constant circling of the grounds. As it stands, the only thing that does come through loud and clear in your posts is that you have endlessly felt slighted. 
 
The whys and the wherefores for that have become increasingly incomprehensible and have begun rendering your posts into the cyber version of Ambien.
March 26, 2009, 3:25:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"Canada is not the 51st State" -14TR
 
We know that. It's America's hat!
March 26, 2009, 7:04:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I just noticed that MSNBC came in third the entire night, Tuesday night, even behind the pathetic CNN. I had only concentrating on Fox's stunning victory in 1st place.
 
And Matthews actually was in dead last behind HLN as well.
 
Poor, poor MSNBC.
 
What a shame!
March 26, 2009, 8:42:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Cecelia | 03.26.09 - 3:30 am | # 
 
It's a little hard to prove a negative, so continue with your self righteousness.
 
It is very illuminating.
 
PS: this may be a double post, this time I had trouble with my connection.
 
You see Cecelia: I am quite ready to admit it ,when my posts disappear and it's my fault.
March 26, 2009, 9:44:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Do we keep your head warm, when we send down those cold winds Fox Fan?
March 26, 2009, 9:51:31 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
t's a little hard to prove a negative, so continue with your self righteousness.
 
It is very illuminating.
 
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 9:49 am | #
 
"Self-righteous"? I'm not the one who came to a new blog and started insinuating that I'm being "slighted" and launched into endless explanations for why my posts have been misconstrued.
 
Tell you what, to save time, let's just assume you're being cavalierly treated and unfairly singled out. You can choose that this is either because you're Canadian, or because we want an echo chamber, or because you don't know the secret O'Reilly code word. You can choose all three.
 
Now, you next have to choose whether to live with the facts on the ground and move forward here, or to drift off to some bloggy goodness elsewhere.
 
Hopefully, the assumption that you've been done wrong and will continue to be done wrong, will save you many cryptic justifications and couched insinuations.
 
Then perhaps we can all move on.
March 26, 2009, 12:17:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Do we keep your head warm, when we send down those cold winds Fox Fan?
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 9:56 am | # 
 
Nope, but we keep you from getting all saggy and dulled just swaying on a coat rack.
March 26, 2009, 12:22:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
I choose this one Cecelia, since I CAN'T watch him, I have no idea what his code word would be!, "because you don't know the secret O'Reilly code word. "
 
I thought I had successfully done this "move forward here", with the admission that my posts had in fact been sent into cyberspace. I can now stop looking for them, thinking I simply don't understand your system.
 
Now "perhaps we can all move on.", you seem to be the only one who wishes to continue?
 
But the Red Eye controversy moves on too:
 
U.S. State Department said in a statement Monday that was issued in response to the Fox broadcast.
 
""Both President (Barack) Obama and Secretary (Hillary) Clinton have expressed the U.S.'s gratitude for the commitment and sacrifice of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan. Canada has been a steadfast and capable partner on the ground in Afghanistan since 2002, and we are grateful for its contributions toward achieving security in that country,""
 
Canada thanks them.
March 26, 2009, 1:01:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
""Both President (Barack) Obama and Secretary (Hillary) Clinton have expressed the U.S.'s gratitude for the commitment and sacrifice of the Canadian Armed Forces in Afghanistan. Canada has been a steadfast and capable partner on the ground in Afghanistan since 2002, and we are grateful for its contributions toward achieving security in that country,""
 
Canada thanks them.
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 1:06 pm | # 
 
Good! I'm grateful that this helped Canada understand the difference between Washington and an irreverent comedy show.
 
NOW we really can move on...
March 26, 2009, 3:49:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Thank you.
March 26, 2009, 3:59:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
I think it has been fairly well documented that Canadians know more about the USA than Americans know about Canada!
 
But I would probably need to use Canadian Media to prove it, and that is frowned upon, so I will just say that your comment proves the point in and of itself.
March 26, 2009, 4:20:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Marc Lamont Hill will be on tonight's Factor.
March 26, 2009, 4:29:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I think it has been fairly well documented that Canadians know more about the USA than Americans know about Canada!
 
But I would probably need to use Canadian Media to prove it, and that is frowned upon, so I will just say that your comment proves the point in and of itself.
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 4:25 pm | # 
 
Why would you want to discuss such a matter on a cable news blog?
 
Your statement that Canadians know more of the U.S. than Americans know of them, is not a response to the ruckus over the cable show Red Eye or anything else here.
March 26, 2009, 7:18:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Why your statement of course my dear,
 
"helped Canada understand the difference between Washington and an irreverent comedy show."
 
We do not need your help, we are quite aware of this and many other differences.
 
A irreverent Comedian:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BS_ifo8tdKA&feature=channel_page
 
Cable News Show:
http://watch.ctv.ca/news/power-play/thursday-march-26/#clip153165
 
You see no confusion, we know the difference.
 
But tell me how do you discuss Cable Television without discussing it's content, which is usually political?
 
I only get CNN so I can't compare and contrast, but the bottom line of all these stations is politics, is it not?
March 26, 2009, 8:33:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"the bottom line of all these stations is politics, is it not?"
 
MSNBC claims to be "the place for politics". CNN is the most trusted name in news. FNC is fair and balanced. Funny how you make a judgement about FNC based on one clip you've probably watched over and over (probably fuming every time) on the one comedy show on the channel. 
 
Politics is not the bottom line. News is. Sometimes the news is about politics, often it isn't.
March 26, 2009, 9:01:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Are you just feeling more generous today or is Rick Mercer and CBC, more acceptable depending on content?
 
And is it agreed that my CBC and CTV are comparable to your CNN etc., as a cable network?
 
Still trying to figure out what is and what is not acceptable, considering my limitations.
March 26, 2009, 9:09:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, you're the one who just made the point that it took reassurance that the WH is grateful for Canadian service, in order to undo damage from a few quips on a late night comedy show.
 
So Canadians did seem to need help with distinguishing between which entity officially represents the country.
 
As to how you discuss cable news (specific to this site, American cable news channels) without topic creep into a political free-for-all, it most certainly can be done. You discuss Johnny's links and any politics therein from the way the issue was handled on MSNBC, FNC, CNN and their various cable business outlets.
March 26, 2009, 9:14:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
For the record, I watched it once, once was enough it was SO offensive.
 
As far as I have seen lately, on CNN, American news is primarily about politics. So much so that I have found myself watching the BBC for news or our own Canadian Cable outlets. They are less sensational and actually seem to know that there is a whole world out there!
March 26, 2009, 9:36:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Still trying to figure out what is and what is not acceptable, considering my limitations.
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 9:14 pm | # 
 
Your limitations have certainly seemed to have hampered that...
March 26, 2009, 9:50:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Well Cecelia, I for one am glad that your White House got it or at least your State Department got it, because it is obvious from your comments that you still do not get it! 
 
I'll remember to come back and comment to you specifically, the next time there is a US/Canadian incident. Perhaps next time the shoe will be on the other foot and we will see how you feel when America is on the receiving side of the jest!
 
Lastly how to you equate "reassurance", with APOLOGY? or was that meant to be derogatory?
March 26, 2009, 9:51:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Again for the record Fox Fan......my comment regarding Fox news was based on a clip I watched here at this site. 
 
It stated that Fox network would like to make more in roads into Canada. I realize this is becoming repetitive, but their comedy show was not the way to go about it, perhaps they didn't get that memo!
 
Do you really think they will make inroads into our market by insulting us? If so you yanks are stranger than I thought.
March 26, 2009, 10:10:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, 14tr, I for one am glad that you Canadians finally got it and started discerning the difference between the WH, the State Dept, and Greg Gutfeld...
 
And frankly, I take it stride when America is on the receiving side of a jest (BTW-- I for two... am glad that you've finally discerned that they were jesting...).
 
That's called having a sense of humor.
March 26, 2009, 10:25:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Agreed 14TR, CNN is more sensational an less cultured than BBC. Perhaps that explains CNN's ratings compared to FNC's. 
 
Sorry that you were so offended by Red Eye, equally sorry that it takes a government acknowledgement to placate outrage! against a comedy show.
March 26, 2009, 10:25:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If so you yanks are stranger than I thought.
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 10:15 pm | # 
 
"How to lose friends and to alienate countries"... 
March 26, 2009, 10:29:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
but the bottom line of all these stations is politics, is it not?
onefortheroad | 03.26.09 - 8:38 pm | # 
 
We discuss the newscasters, not the news.
March 26, 2009, 10:31:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Cecelia | 03.26.09 - 9:55 pm | #
 
You really are a nasty piece of work, aren't you.
 
I noticed a world map on this site, which gave the impression that you were proud of attracting posters from around the world. Was I wrong in this assumption?
 
Speaking from experience. It is a little hard to take part if international cable news entities are taboo.
 
If you would prefer to limit members to the United States, I will understand, but that was not my immediate impression.
 
The choice is of course, yours!
March 26, 2009, 10:44:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
14tr, I would have suspected that what you noticed here, wasn't the international map, but was the description of it as being a source for the truth about Fox News, and you wanted to hash out the Gutfeld canard.
March 26, 2009, 11:37:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Politics is not the bottom line. News is. Sometimes the news is about politics, often it isn't.
Fox Fan | Homepage | 03.26.09 - 9:06 pm | # 
 
We discuss the newscasters, not the news.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 03.26.09 - 10:36 pm | #
 
OK news like the flooding in Fargo? Yet I don't believe I have read anything about it here. I read about it in the G&M this morning.
 
The newscasters, something like Wolf Blitzer is on the air too much at CNN. I would much prefer to see Aaron Brown. I regret the fact he left.
 
Would either of those attempts be more acceptable?
March 27, 2009, 12:00:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
14tr, I would have suspected that what you noticed here, wasn't the international map, but was the description of it as being a source for the truth about Fox News, and you wanted to hash out the Gutfeld canard.
Cecelia | 03.26.09 - 11:42 pm | # 
 
Do you not read my posts? Repetition becomes so tedious, don't you agree?
 
As I have said more times than a care to count. This SITE had an article or video clip of Fox stating that it wanted to make in roads into the Canadian Market a few weks ago. If you don't remember that perhaps you would care to verify it with someone else. Since you seem to be reluctant to take my word for it.
 
If I hadn't seen that clip, here at this SITE, I wouldn't have thought Red Eye would interest you. It just struck me that the two things were counter intuitive and you might be interested, in how a Canadian/Canadians felt.
 
You obviously are not, you have made that painfully clear, so please dear it is time to move on!
March 27, 2009, 12:45:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Would either of those attempts be more acceptable?
onefortheroad | 03.27.09 - 12:05 am | # 
 
To Brown or to Blitzer?
March 27, 2009, 12:46:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
If I hadn't seen that clip, here at this SITE, I wouldn't have thought Red Eye would interest you. It just struck me that the two things were counter intuitive and you might be interested, in how a Canadian/Canadians felt.
 
You obviously are not, you have made that painfully clear, so please dear it is time to move on!
onefortheroad | 03.27.09 - 12:50 am | # 
 
Well, after a truck load of posts here on the subject, I think that you're confusing the concept of "interest" with the concept of "in accord".
 
Making in roads into Canada is FNC's business goal. I doubt anyone else here is engaged in winning Canadian souls for Fox.
 
You have not discussed Red Eye dispassionately, in terms of what we might find 'interesting' based upon a link about marketing.
 
We've reciprocated with our own passion.
 
That hardly connotes disinterest.
March 27, 2009, 1:05:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
The leak of the confidential Journolist thread offers some interesting opportunities for an investigative report on the coverage (yes, even by cable news outlets) of the news about the news about the news.
 
But a more pressing matter, IMO, is the opportunity for one and all to sit back and try to stifle a loud, braying laugh over this precious pearl, plucked from the press pundits posts pertaining to the portly and pompous pontificator whose primary purpose is to piously prattle a plethora of perpetual persecutions profusely plied with prejudice.
 
Presented for your perusal: 
"The main difference, which is 
glaringly left out by anyone who conflates him with the Savages and 
O'Reillys of the world, is that Olbermann doesn't tend to, you know, lie about stuff regularly." -Jesse Singal
March 27, 2009, 3:42:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
To Brown or to Blitzer?
Cecelia | 03.27.09 - 12:51 am | # 
 
Fargo and flooding,
or
Aaron Brown, who left so long ago so long ago I didn't think you could find exception.
 
I was wrong!
 
Oh by the way that map, I actually spent some time playing with it, it was interesting to see where people were from.
 
Now I find it highly unlikely , if you limit yourself to only American newscasters.
 
Have a niice day.
March 27, 2009, 9:06:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I didn't take "exception". My "jest" was that depending upon your choice, that Blitzer or Brown might take it.
 
I have no idea what you mean about limiting ourselves to "only American newscasters".
 
Have you confused news casters with news casts?
March 27, 2009, 9:35:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Johnny,
 
There is video on Chickaboomer of some employee in the background at CNBC letting out an oath during the business channel's broadcast of the president's virtual townhall meeting. 
 
It may have been coincidental, but the oath occurred after President Obama stated that job growth would proceed from the rebuilding of our infrastructure and the training of workers to get those jobs. 
 
That theory has not been without controversy at CNBC.
 
If you remember, the same open mic mishaps happened on Hardball when someone in the background groaned while Chris Hitchens was commenting there. There was video confirming it.
 
The Chickaboomer piece caught my eye, because just this morning yet another MSNBC 'background exclamation' occurred on Morning Joe. 
 
Someone off-camera, let out a disgusted groan when Mike Barnicle uttered the word "teleprompter" while making a point about the impersonal and manufactured nature of today's political rhetoric.
 
These mishaps cause me to wonder if the work environment at MSNBC isn't more politically charged than a presidential convention.
March 27, 2009, 10:56:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


onefortheroad
Cecelia | 03.27.09 - 9:40 am |
 
"might take it.", might take what?
 
*********
 
I didn't mean to imply that you were limiting or restricting yourselves by using American Media, when conversing with other Americans. And of course, I fully understand this is an American site, so you are well within your rights! 
 
But it does make it rather difficult for any foreign guests to participate if we cannot use our own media to compare and/or contrast or if links from these entities are deemed unacceptable for publication.
 
My suggestion is simple really, if you wish foreign guests. Then some lea way must be granted to encourage their participation. 
 
I receive neither Fox nor MSNBC so obviously my participation is limited as a result. I accept this, but you do discuss other issues, do you not?
 
If the reply is: NO,' we do not'. 
Then that was my misunderstanding and I shall take myself off and find somewhere less restricting.
March 27, 2009, 11:43:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply