1/18/10 12:34 PM

Weekend Cable News Links and Open Thread

Nuptial notification: video added.

The GE/government nexus.

Sunday talkers: HuffPo recap.

Imus update.  King shines.

Beck advertiser harassed, plans legal action.

Olby fansite sez Fire Keith, then deletes! Author re-posts.

Critics boost Fox.  FNC wins by screeching?  Q&A: Huck

Updated through the weekend.  Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Blackflon
Glenn Beck Finally Spells "Oligarch" Correctly
Reported by Guest Blogger - Sat 12:50 AM
Reported by Hula???
 
Well, it looks like the Poodles have run out of material. They are down to attacking spelling now.
 
Once again, no logic and no rational thought process for these people.
 
And poor little johnt apparently hasn't a clue about what is going on in the space program.
August 29, 2009, 8:04:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
RE: Olbermann fan site.....
 
Looks like one of Olbermann's 2 fans is upset with him just a bit.
 
I don't blame him. When Olbermann got into the gutter with the O'Reilly father remark he deserved to be taken to the wood shed.
 
I wonder if Keith learned how to use those vile personal attacks from Antoinette over at the Hideous House of Hounds.
August 29, 2009, 8:20:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Scott
The Fire Olbermann link no longer exists.
August 29, 2009, 9:53:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
I read the post at the Cankles fan site about an hour ago but now the link is not found.
 
Now there is a help wanted sign out at the site since the poster quit....
 
http://jamescraven-theofiles.blogspot.com/2009/08/ive-decided-to-hang-this-sign-out-again.html
 
Too bad that the truth about using child abuse as a comedic device against Bill O'Reilly could not be kept.
August 29, 2009, 9:54:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Scott
From the O File home page
 
Since JFein resigned as of last night (and his post blasting Keith has been deleted as a result) I'm hanging the sign out for a new pinch-hitter while I'm away.
August 29, 2009, 9:55:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
DId anyone copy the Olby piece? I should have so I could re-post it now.
August 29, 2009, 10:14:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Re: FNC screeching
 
You know you're going to get objective analysis when when you see the term "screeching" used about a cable network or when drawing more and more of "the choir" is treated like a sneer.
 
As usual, the innate assumptions and biases of the author, are utterly invisible to him.
 
Brian Lowry says, "Extrapolating from ratings is always hazardous, given the uncertainty of measuring audience sentiment. But drawing sweeping conclusions about the zeitgeist from such data is specious at best."
 
But what the hell....he'll do it anyway...
 
There is nothing in Lowry's piece that factually disputes the claim that FNC is now appealing to more moderate democrats, independents, and to libertarians (even IF people are keeping their televisions tuned to the channel for longer periods of time -- an action that is politically significant in itself).
 
Wouldn't a big increase in numbers at the other cables indicate to the media that a political groundswell ( a term that denotes the EQUAL and opposite thing to the term "backlash") was occurring?  
 
Wouldn't such a rise in numbers for CNN and MSNBC indicate THIS, BASED upon the media's OWN eternal narrative/argument about FNC?
 
If CNN and MSNBC suddenly vastly outpaced FNC in ratings, wouldn't THAT indicate a groundswell for Obama and for "moderate" politics in general, to their thinking? Wouldn't it indicate a groundswell of the type that one could well assume included a number of people who were never very politically minded before or people who were at the center but who had jumped full feet into a leftward direction?
 
Why, Lowry, Kurtz, and a plethora of other media analysts, would be writing ecstatic pieces celebrating just that indication!
 
However, when FNC's ratings rocket upwards, those numbers don't signify a backlash (again-- the EQUAL corollary to groundswell) or ANYTHING ELSE other than the fact that FNC has always catered to this particular mob and is now catering even more to this particular mob and thus attracting even more of the freaks.
 
In their minds, for an individual to turn away from Democratic policies is never a conversion or a sea-change, but rather an indication that this person was always a member of that species in the first place.
 
Frankly, the essential condescension and sheer disdain so many in the media reveal in their unconscious assumptions just puts you heart in your toes and your stomach in your throat.
August 29, 2009, 10:15:53 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Good grief!
 
You must move fast when you see a dissenter on a blue blog.
 
On a liberal site, a dissenter's stuff lasts about as long as Keith Olbermann after a cheap bottle of wine.
August 29, 2009, 10:29:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"Since JFein resigned as of last night..."
 
Well, what could he do after championing the embarrassing wingnut position that child abuse isn't a laughing matter?
August 29, 2009, 10:57:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Continuing with Cece's 10:20 am excellent analysis, Peter Funk's Lurking Liberals misleads with: "Nearly two years of nonstop bloviating by radio right-wingers such as Limbaugh and Michael Savage, along with the entire cast of Fox, didn't block the election of Barack Obama or limit the Democrats' ability to win control of Congress.  
Nothing has changed, really, except that many in so-called liberal media can't curb their obsession with each calculatingly outrageous remark from the right."
 
The idea that "nothing has changed" is ludicrous. Over 6 months of an Obama Administration agenda coupled with the over-reaching of a Congress under Democratic stronghold has resulted in the tea party movement backlash, the town hall ground swell and skyrocketing ratings for FOX News.  
 
The denigrating of FNC's audience by their compeitors and the lefty blogosphere is reminiscent of someone cutting off their own foot because it's been caught in their own trap.
 
I hate to intrude with the facts, but, those "tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racists" that make up FNC's audience include more democrats than MSNBC's paltry viewership.
August 29, 2009, 11:44:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I hope that Gold group hangs someone out to dry regarding the attacks on them by the liberal loons.
 
A boycott is one thing but these crazies apparently have gone over the edge.
 
Daily Kos, Think Progress, News Poodles anyone?????
August 29, 2009, 11:55:26 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Alf - just a reminder to you that there are several questions posed to you that you appear to be avoiding answering.
 
#1 - Who called who a liar? Please give the example and explain why that individual should NOT have been called a liar by the other.
Ashley | 08.21.09 - 4:39 pm | #
 
#2 - Please give an example of us "spinning something Olbermann said". Spinning indicates that we are twisting the meaning of something said. What was it?
Ashley | 08.27.09 - 4:09 pm | #
 
#3 - Recess is over! Please provide evidence of:
 
1. My spinning something Olberman said.
2. Someone here spinning something Olbermann said (Do #2 only after #1 is completed).
ramjet | Homepage | 08.27.09 - 4:18 pm | #
 
#4 - Well then did someone sneak into your house and use your IP address? Hey I don't care if you posted here before or not. But it's better to ignore questions like that than to misrepresent--just a general comment, not directed at you or anyone else.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.27.09 - 2:59 pm | #
 
5 - Which question of yours did I fail to answer with a legitimate response, instead responding with a "cute little one liner"? Point those out and I will provide a legitimate answer.
Ashley | 08.28.09 - 12:52 pm | #  
 
It would really be a darn shame if you continue to avoid, duck and dodge questions posed to you. When posters do that, he or she may give the impression to others here that they are an addleminded, obtuse, and just plain unpleasant person.
 
Oh, and there's one question in the above list from our host, and it would be rude of anyone to avoid, duck and dodge questions he poses.
 
What say you Mr. F?
August 29, 2009, 1:27:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Re: the Olby fan. I read the blog post last night. I'm glad I caught the original version. A very pleasant surprise to see that. I surfed elsewhere in that blog, it looks like a pro-Olby version of OW, tracking the episodes, but also keeping track of the ties that Cankles the Clown wears during each show.
August 29, 2009, 1:29:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
A boycott is one thing but these crazies apparently have gone over the edge.
 
Daily Kos, Think Progress, News Poodles anyone?????
Blackflon | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 12:00 pm | #  
 
It's that "Chill Wind" that the left always worry about.
August 29, 2009, 1:42:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I hate to intrude with the facts, but, those "tin foil hatters, conspiracy theorists, paranoids and racists" that make up FNC's audience include more democrats than MSNBC's paltry viewership.
ramjet | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 11:49 am | #  
 
J$ cited that poll some time ago, I forget if it was Pew, Rasmussen, or one of the others. I would be curious to see the results if the poll was conducted in the present.
 
Yes, when that poll was done, more democrats watch FNC than do CNN or....uh...what is the the name of that failing cable net??? MSNBsomething or other. Their sister network, CNBsomething is failing too.
August 29, 2009, 1:45:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Richard
Ive been out today...were there any protests on the roads today like with Reagan and did any network cover them?
August 29, 2009, 2:14:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
And poor little johnt apparently hasn't a clue about what is going on in the space program.
Blackflon | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 8:09 am | #  
 
B - John T once again proves that he is the dumbest person using the internet. Apparently, he enjoys surfing J$P, found my post from last night, and used it at NH.
 
"Very few space shuttle missions remaining in our lifetimes"?  
 
Why do they keep building on to the space station if they're going to do away with the shuttle missions?  
Posted by: john t on Sat 8.29 12:27am  
 
Gosh, that John T is excellent at showing ignorance. Did it ever occur to him that he ought to check facts before he posts? If he did, he would know that in 2010, each of the remaining shuttles are scheduled to fly their last flights, then that's it, shuttle program over.
 
And apparently David in Elyria is alongside John T on the dumb scale.
 
John T, you may be stupid, but thanks for reading J$P.
August 29, 2009, 2:15:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
You have to read this one.
 
The delusional Hounds actually believe they have had an impact on Fox News with all of their ranting.
 
http://www.newshounds.us/2009/08/29/fox_wont_fire_glenn_beck.php
 
You cannot make this stuff up. It is truly laughable.
August 29, 2009, 2:27:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
The poor irrational Poodles keep getting Fox's news programming mixed up with their opinion/talk programming.
 
It's a wonder these people can tie their shoes correctly.
August 29, 2009, 2:29:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Why don't we just let him do what he accuses us of doing, Ashley: run tail?
August 29, 2009, 2:40:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Mike C. | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 2:45 pm | #  
 
Well, those questions have been posed to him three times now (with a reminder tossed in a few days ago). Apparently he is doing what he always does. turning tail and running away.
August 29, 2009, 3:04:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Re: "Critics boost Fox": Peter Funt gave the lying Labradors something they don't deserve. He cited them as if they were a legitimate watchdog.
August 29, 2009, 3:04:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Blackflon | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 2:32 pm |
 
LMAO
August 29, 2009, 3:06:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
The only NBC owned NON-NEWS channel that is doing good is the USA Network
August 29, 2009, 3:08:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
"then that's it, shuttle program over."
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 2:20 pm | #
 
Not quite. The shuttle program as we know it will come to an end, but the Space Program will continue. Using various news sources does have it's advantages.
 
http://www.redorbit.com/news/space/1681049/nasa_plans_job_cuts_as_it_eyes_end_of_shuttle/
 
"NASA will be using money set aside for shuttle operations to develop Orion and its launcher, Ares."
August 29, 2009, 3:37:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
He cited them as if they were a legitimate watchdog.
Mike C. | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 3:09 pm | #  
 
It is hard trying to find a good legitimate on the net. Most of them let their ideology get in the way.
 
Media Matters rarely goes after the left wing press. Of course the News Poodles lie and distort so much no one with any common sense would give credence to their trash talking House of Heinous Hens.
 
The Daily Kos crowd is the biggest bunch of bigots I have ever seen.
 
Think Progress should take the word "think" out of their title.
August 29, 2009, 3:43:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 3:42 pm | #  
 
Yes, I am looking forward to it, but sadly it's going to be a few years before we are launching those. In the meanwhile, I guess we're going to have to rely on Russia (and maybe Richard Branson??? ) to support the ISS.
 
By the way, for all interested in this sort of thing, here is a great web site to learn about the possiblity you could have a sighting of the ISS, the shuttle, or one of the other larger satellites.
 
http://spaceflight.nasa.gov/realdata/sightings/SSapplications/Post/JavaSSOP/JavaSSOP.html
 
Weeks back, my family and I had an excellent view of the ISS and the Shuttle shortly after dusk as they orbited over southern california.
 
Sadly, the space shuttle program is coming to an end. I personally hope it get's extended one more year. There was talk about that a few months ago.
August 29, 2009, 4:21:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
B'flon-
 
Good God Amighty!
 
"We spellcheck FOX News so you don't have to!"
 
Surely, their influence and impact can only grow larger and larger with time, not unlike the artic lichens.
August 29, 2009, 4:21:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


JFein
I read the blog post last night. I'm glad I caught the original version.
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 1:34 pm  
 
The one that is now linked is the same thing as the original. I backed it up elsewhere and just re-copied it onto the blog (it's a Philly sports blog) when J$ informed me of the high demand of it and just copied and pasted it there. That is the original rant with a few minor wording changes to accomodate the fact that it has switched places.
 
I had more or less asked with that post at The O Files to be released from my position as a writer for The O Files, a blog, which as Ashley pointed out is indeed a pro-Olby version of Olby Watch, although I doubt that admin is aware of the existence of OlbermannWatch. I used to be a fan of Olby, but now (as you know) I can's stand him. For me, it's not a matter of politics, but of basic ethics, a characteristic lost on Olbermann.
 
And yes, that post is there to stay. It won't be taken down again, I promise.
 
Thanks for your support, and am honored to have been linked by the great J$ (even though I have never commented, I do occasionally visit and read this site as well as OlbyWatch)
August 29, 2009, 4:38:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 4:26 pm | #
 
Singing a slightly different song with that post aren't you? It would seem that your "Johnt" isn't the fool you made out.
August 29, 2009, 4:44:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
JFein | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 4:43 pm | #  
 
Thanks and a toast to your integrity. I would imagine this whole thing has not been pleasant for you.
August 29, 2009, 4:53:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


GrandpaD
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 4:26 pm
 
If you're interested in spotting the ISS, this site has all the times and location.
 
http://heavens-above.com/
 
It also covers other visible satellites.
August 29, 2009, 4:54:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Caught a bit of the friends before I went GOLFING today.
 
Couldn't help but laugh at the fake outrage over ABC/NBC not showing the Morris ad. Of course everyone knows FNC just loves this sort of thing....as it lets them air said ad over and over and over.....again...under the guise of a news story.
August 29, 2009, 5:04:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Singing a slightly different song with that post aren't you? It would seem that your "Johnt" isn't the fool you made out.
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 4:49 pm | #  
 
What are you talking about.
 
I said that there are few shuttle flights remaining in our lifetime. John T used that first quote of mine to mock me. What was wrong with what I said in my first post?
 
Then I said in my second post which you commented on, the space shuttle program is ending in 2010. Each of the three remaining shuttles will be making their last flights in 2010. What did I say that was wrong?
August 29, 2009, 5:36:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Thank you, JFein.   :+:
August 29, 2009, 5:36:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Thank you for the link GrandpaD
August 29, 2009, 5:55:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Congratulations to Julie B. and Andy S.!   
(NOTE: I added last initials to avoid confusion with the more dubious Julie D.)
August 29, 2009, 6:00:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
In the particular post I was commenting on:
 
You gave the impression that the space program was ending, with the death of the shuttles, and your friend didn't know or appreciate this. Perhaps a more detailed version of the posts in question would be helpful........
August 29, 2009, 6:07:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


JFein
Thanks and a toast to your integrity. I would imagine this whole thing has not been pleasant for you.
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 4:58 pm | #  
 
Au contraire, I'm loving this. When I received the email from J$ this morning requestiong the post, I was so happy. Even though most of you will probably never visit my blog again (it's mainly a sports blog with a rare occasional cable news/politics post) I'm loving the hits that keep coming in. I'm seeing numbers I never imagined I would ever get. The few Olby defenders that did raid my comment section don't bother me mainly because most a). they are incoherent and arguing how "bad" O'Reilly is even though I said nothing about him (other than that crazy Olbermann insinuation). Somehow the last few comments have been about O'Reilly and Tiller.
 
That's Olbermann fans for you....
August 29, 2009, 6:09:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 6:12 pm | #  
 
I was very specific each time referencing the "Space Shuttle" program. If anyone interpreted that as the "Space" Program, not much I can do about it.  
 
Perhaps my comment about "in our lifetimes" may have been a tad bit overly dramatic, but I wrote that because for all of us who have lived through almost 30 years of Space Shuttle history, will soon no longer have that again. For me, it was an emotional moment watching the launch last night. CNN/FNC were doing a good job covering the launch, MSNBC treated it like a car chase.
 
I wou
August 29, 2009, 6:39:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
...and your friend didn't know or appreciate this. Perhaps a more detailed version of the posts in question would be helpful........
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 6:12 pm | #  
 
For my friend John T, if it will help him, I will gladly look to find a way to post with fewer big words and more pictures.

August 29, 2009, 6:42:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
"...they are incoherent and arguing how "bad" O'Reilly is even though I said nothing about him (other than that crazy Olbermann insinuation). Somehow the last few comments have been about O'Reilly and Tiller.
 
That's Olbermann fans for you...."
JFein | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 6:14 pm | #  
 
Welcome to our world...
August 29, 2009, 6:59:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
JFein | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 6:14 pm |  
 
like I said on your blog, it was a excellent post
August 29, 2009, 7:05:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Gosh Haggis - you continue to be rude to our host J$.
 
A few days back, you made some ridiculously absurd post about BOR and Brian Ross from ABC. In his  
 
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.27.09 - 11:54 am | #  
 
post to you, he said  
 
"If all you are going to do is parrot lies from smear sites you aren't going to have a long life here. This was a news report, not a rumor. Ross did not say it was unconfirmed, in fact he had multiple sources. As for not being sure it happened, he was talking about a sequence of events, not his reporting on the flare-up, which he stood by thru the entire interview. "
 
JS then asked you several specific questions:
 
1)And how did Brian Ross "promptly finish the interview"?  
 
2)Did he get up and walk out?  
 
3)Did he say that's it's I'm finished?  
 
4)Or was O'Reilly the one who finished the interview?
 
You then said
I'll take your mighty words onboard.....Give them a chew.....and recalibrate if required"...
Haggis | 08.27.09 - 12:54 pm | #  
 
Well, you have a few days to "give them a chew but you still will not answer J
August 29, 2009, 7:17:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
J$ - no one here would think any less of you if you were to photoshop your head over Andy's in that photo.
 
Julie missed her big chance!  
 
Seriously, congrats to the bride and groom. May they have a long life of happiness together.
August 29, 2009, 7:25:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
"For my friend John T, if it will help him, I will gladly look to find a way to post with fewer big words and more pictures."
 
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 6:47 pm | #
 
I see you are just being nasty for the sake of being nasty. Pardon; by all means carry on with your word games.  
 
I have trouble finding posts from today on this site. You want me to find something you posted two days ago, god knows where and then compare it to something posted at a completely different blog? Sorry to much homework for me, I'll pass. I was simply addressing what you posted today and how I read its meaning.
August 29, 2009, 7:29:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 7:34 pm | #  
 
"I see you are just being nasty for the sake of being nasty. Pardon; by all means carry on with your word games."
 
Just for the record, John T began attacking me and others here before I wrote anythng about him. I've seen his posts where he's lied, he's gotten profane, and he's made false charges against many of us here.  
 
Today, he took a thread from me and used it in a failed attempt to make me look wrong. All he did was prove to the world that he didn't know that the space shuttle program was ending.
 
"I have trouble finding posts from today on this site. You want me to find something you posted two days ago, god knows where and then compare it to something posted at a completely different blog? Sorry to much homework for me, I'll pass."
 
Well, it's in two threads, this one and the one dated one day earlier. My other post was written about 18 hours ago, not two days ago.
 
Well, there are two threads involved. This one, and the one prior. That is one down the list on the main page.
 
And you made the comment that maybe John T was right. Interesting that you say that and now claim that you didn't even read his post.
 
But I'll try to better evaluate any future correspondance with you on this site. I'll reexamine my post..
 
"If he did, he would know that in 2010, each of the remaining shuttles are scheduled to fly their last flights, then that's it, shuttle program over."
 
..to get a better understanding as to how anyone can read that and believe that I was claiming that the U.S. space program was ending.
August 29, 2009, 9:34:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Is it a prerequisite of this site to be a brown noser? Or is simply Ashley's thing?
 
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 7:22 pm | #  
 
Sorry, but this 'master routine' is a little much, don't you think, and not something I have encounter anywhere else.
August 29, 2009, 9:51:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 9:39 pm | #  
 
Sorry Ashley it is still semantics. I think most people think of the shuttles as the Space Program. Your words imply to me that the entire program is ending. Now this could be the difference between American and Canadian terminology, but I didn't think your friend was that far off base in his understanding that he had to be held up to ridicule by you. But I see this is part of a larger feud so I will leave it to the Hatfield’s and the McCoy’s.
August 29, 2009, 10:04:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
This father comment of Olby's is not surprising as I've said the man is cracking up. Does this supposed beating come up anywhere in an O'Reilly bio?  
Or could this be something to do with Olby's life? No where have I ever read anything about Olby's father.
 
We always like to connect Olby to the movie 'Network', but does anybody remember this movie and how it ended? This could be a little closer. Also Walter Winchell shows up in it, what happen to him?
 
Really, who is the real 'Lonesome' Rhodes?
 
Watch the movie, you decide.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km7_XGkolRM
 
Okay, Okay, Olby can't play a guitar, But when people start going down and they start lashing out in ways that don't even make sense.
It could be their inner voice screaming,
Help Me!
August 29, 2009, 10:23:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Sorry OTFR, but when I made a simple declaration that the space shuttle program was ending, I didn't realize it would be necessary to add a disclaimer and point out to some people that it was only the space shuttle program I was referring to, and that it did not affect any other major aspect of the space program, and that the space program was not being ended, and that NASA wasn't going anywhere, and that there was a new program that would be in place in about 5 years to replace the shuttle, and that Russia would carry the load until that time, and that.....
 
And as far as holding John T up to ridicule, you act as if I started it. He began the day today mocking me then another idiot poster jumped in to pronounce me as misguided in saying the space shuttle program was ending. I'm just responding to them.
August 29, 2009, 10:37:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Sorry, but this 'master routine' is a little much, don't you think, and not something I have encounter anywhere else.
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 9:56 pm | # 
 
If you knew Haggis' history, you would understand. You might not agree, but you would understand.
August 29, 2009, 10:39:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Great movie "A Face in the Crowd". I fully agree with the Lonesome Rhodes comparison.
August 29, 2009, 10:41:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Just in case anyone is wondering, Ashley's reference to the shuttle program ending next year was perfectly clear to me, as clear as last night's Discovery launch seen from my front yard, as clear as the waters surrounding the Caymen Islands, as clear as 14TR's attempts to antagonize, disrupt, disrespect, obfiscate and lie. (Nope, didn't forget.)
August 29, 2009, 11:17:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
ramjet | Homepage | 08.29.09 - 11:22 pm | # 
 
Lie, you seem to like that word. Where is the mistruth this time? You never pointed them out last night either. All I saw was a bunch of hurt feelings.
August 29, 2009, 11:48:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
“Perhaps someone here can actually explain Beck's logic. How is Obama a racist, I'm all ears, because so far his logic escapes me. [BECK USED OBAMA'S WRITINGS FROM HIS TWO AUTOBIOGRAPHIES, HIS MEMBERSHIP IN A BLACK NATIONALIST CHURCH, HIS STATEMENT ABOUT HIS GRANDMOTHER, HIS RUSH TO JUDGMENT OF SGT. CROWLEY AND OPED ABOUT LINCOLN, "A MORE PERFECT UNION."
 
oneforetheroad | 08.27.09 - 9:37 pm |
ramjet | Homepage | 08.27.09 - 10:36 pm | #”
“That would be this part: ".........but I see you are still rather inhospitable to foreign posters, so I'll say good night now."
 
And now that I think about it, this part qualifies as well: "My, we are hostile tonight."
 
And this part: ""As to ramjet, I'll just leave him screaming from his corner...."
ramjet | Homepage | 08.28.09 - 12:00 am | # “
 
Ramjet
 
Capital Letter = screaming.
 
Inhospitable & hostile, are my personal experiences. Although you might not agree, it is how I viewed some of the statements last night and in the past. Were you around for the Red Eye discussion? If not, how do you know my feeling or experiences?
August 30, 2009, 12:13:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Don't like the word, don't like liars, don't tolerate lies. Yours were clearly pointed out. It's completely expected that you would continue your pathetic attempts.
August 30, 2009, 12:21:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
I've noticed several of you have used the masculine form to address Roadie.
 
If I'm wrong I'll apologize but I can't believe that Roadie is anything other than a lady.

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August 30, 2009, 12:28:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Don't like the word, don't like liars, don't tolerate lies. Yours were clearly pointed out. It's completely expected that you would continue your pathetic attempts.
ramjet | Homepage | 08.30.09 - 12:26 am | # 
 
LOL
August 30, 2009, 12:35:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Thank you Ramjet - how cool to see the shuttle launch in person. Excellent.
August 30, 2009, 12:39:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK we've pretty much beat that horse (lie, not lie) beyond death. So let's try to get off the tit-for-tat and back to substantive topics. 'K?
August 30, 2009, 12:44:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
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Grammie | 08.30.09 - 12:33 am | # 
 
My My, is it something I said? Please do elaborate. How can you tell gender from the typed word, Grammie or are you physic?
August 30, 2009, 12:47:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Of all the coverage today, I only watched from 7:00 to 8:27 PM on FNC. So, I was just in time for the part at Arlington National. Even though it was visually impossible to see as it got darker, it was quite moving. I felt for his granddaughters as they struggled through their remembrances. Chris Wallace was seated in studio with three left-leaning people (I know Steve McMahon is) that knew Sen. Kennedy in some capacity.
August 30, 2009, 12:50:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
The marriage of Julie Bidwell is a substantive topic. If I may paraphrase the late, GREAT, Sheriff Buford T. Justice...
 
That Andrew Sanzone is one lucky sumbit."
 
and I agree.
August 30, 2009, 12:51:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I guess I was as much removed from cable news today as Julie and Andy were. 
August 30, 2009, 12:54:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
I'm neither physic nor psychic, Roadie.
 
Based on the tone, style and nature of your comments and interactions here I have thought of you from the first day you commented here as exhibiting feminine characteristics.
August 30, 2009, 1:02:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
14TR,
 
1) Let's see. Can you possibly come up with another reason for someone to use all caps inside of brackets for a response imbedded in your request other than all caps=screaming, especially since the response contains no exclamation marks or "emphasis mine"??? Huh??? Any guesses???
 
2) I'm surprised you don't remember my being "around for the Red Eye discussion." I supported your position. I criticized Gutfeld for his, IMO, inappropriate joke re: the Canadian military. I praised the Canadian military's efforts in Afghanistan.
 
If I'm not mistaken, it was your maiden foray into J$P. I encouraged you to stick around, lighten up a bit, get to know the landscape a little before criticizing the format. I offered explanations on how to keep the different threads straight, how to comment on the pertinent topic and how to get along with the folks here.
 
The comment you responed to with "My, we are hostile tonight," contained absolutely no hostility. If you wish to claim it did, please point out the hostility contained in the post to which you were responding.
 
3) Your nationality has zero to do with how you have been treated. To say otherwise is, to put it mildly, quite rude, an accusation based totally upon nationality, and unlike the courteous nature of the many Canadians I've had the pleasure of knowing.
 
It would appear that any hurt feelings you've seen were in the mirror.
August 30, 2009, 1:03:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
That GE story is mind boggling.
 
Let's see
 
Olby Reports to Zucker
 
Zucker Reports to Immelt
 
Immelt reports to Obama and the BOD and stockholders of GE.
 
GE needs favorable treatment from Obama.
 
Obama needs favorable treatment from MSNBC
 
MSNBC gives favorable treatement to Obama. "It's my job to make him succeed".
 
Ah, nothing here. Move along, move along.
August 30, 2009, 1:03:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
I'm so disappointed, Ashley and Ramjet.
 
I was up and checking on the shuttle launch every night but last night I forgot.
 
I toodled on to check here just to see Ashley's comment about the launch a half hour too late.
 
Wee, I've got a few more chances before it comes to an end although extending this program is one thing I would approve of instead of how we're just wasting it now.
August 30, 2009, 1:34:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Al Frankenstein
Zucker Reports to Immelt
 
Immelt reports to Obama and the BOD and stockholders of GE.
 
GE needs favorable treatment from Obama.
 
Obama needs favorable treatment from MSNBC
 
MSNBC gives favorable treatement to Obama. "It's my job to make him succeed".
 
Ah, nothing here. Move along, move along.
Ashley | 08.30.09 - 1:08 am | # 
 
Since I have answered your questions, not up to your standards but answered, show me proof of any of these changes and please nothing with a Conservative agenda. I will be waiting.
August 30, 2009, 4:24:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Ramjet, I think you're missing the very cordial, 'just-came-in-to-say-hi' 14tr's lovely little quip to Ashley in which in which she likened the banter and good feelings that come from respect and time, to Ashley toadying to the site owner and viewing him as "master".
 
The main "lie" is for her to imply that from her first post that she came in here to engage in anything other than letting out stink bombs.
 
Based on experience and her repetition of some of those patterns this time around, her memes and games will most CERTAINLY be the following (and yes, I'm psychic.)
 
1. Johnny censors opposition and political opinion because it's oppositional political opinion.
 
2. Blowing through her bullshit is based upon your xenophobia.
 
3. Any criticism of the convenience of her differing with you about FNC while simultaneously asking for leeway because she can't watch it, is tantamount to being your unfair or xenophobic.
 
4. A differing subjective viewpoint to her's will be characterized as an ignorance based upon your nationality, because you are an American and unaware of the what's happening outside the country.
 
5. On the other hand, the slightest criticism that is made of Canada or Canadians is evidence of American boorishness or of xenophobia.
 
6. It will fine for her to repeat every meme and stereotype in existence about Americans, conservatives, and FNC watchers, etc. because they are the intellectual foundation of most of her political stances and of the feelings about herself. However, any sarcasm, satire, parody (Red Eye jokes...) about liberals, Canadians, etc.. will more evidence of your xenophobia.
 
7. She will make cautious insults and insinuations about Johnny, his site traffic, and the regard that people here have for him (because afterall folks that sort of thing is really why she's here and the peanut gallery at NH gets a kick out of it...)
 
So sit and say #1! or #5! when she posts, folks. I'm sure you'll see at least one of these tactics each time she does.
August 30, 2009, 7:52:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
This comes from one of Poodles who spends their time getting information about Fox from someone else who uses selected segments and sound bites to attack and smear.
********************************
 
Fox is a propaganda machine for everything anti-liberal. There is VERY little news on the network.
It exists, like talk radio, to vilify and destroy liberal thought. It has NO other function. Just because they slip in an occasional show that almost approaches news doesn't forgive what they do. they deserve NO quarter. When and IF we wish to acknowledge a small period of class doesn't mean they stop being the machine they are.
hoode | 08.29.09 - 9:16 pm | # 
*******************************
I doubt very seriously if this person spent any length of time at Fox and then made up their own mind. Instead they become a dog washer for News Hounds.
August 30, 2009, 8:30:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
You gave the impression that the space program was ending, with the death of the shuttles, and your friend didn't know or appreciate this. Perhaps a more detailed version of the posts in question would be helpful........
oneforetheroad | 08.29.09 - 6:12 pm | # 
 
onefortheroad appears ro have attended the little johnt school of comprehension.
Let me help him. The Space Shuttle Program is just one piece of the Space Program. Anyone with a 6th grade education could figure that one out.
August 30, 2009, 8:44:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Julie's new hubby is cute in that nebbish intellectual sort of way that can be adorable!
August 30, 2009, 8:55:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Kinda of reads like Chris contradicts himself. 
Posted by: john t on Sat 8.29 3:40pm 
********************************This was posted at the forum. It was in response to blog about JFein's request that KO should be fired.
 
Little johnt, dumb and dumber all rolled into one.
 
Maybe little johnt should read before inserts foot in mouth.
August 30, 2009, 11:50:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Oh lord Cecelia | 08.30.09 - 7:57 am, you give me to much credit. 
 
Have I been to News Hounds, yes. I think it was a thread on Afghanistan, with little or no references to Fox and it was shortly after my first visit here. 
 
I don't get Fox, so commenting about their specific programming on any given day would really serve no purpose. Now would it? But if you think they are the only ones with less than flattering reports on Fox you live in a very sheltered world. Even here in the backwoods of Canada, the list of is endless. We are treated daily to comedic clips of Glen Beck for one, but he is by no means alone.
 
I think someone mentioned a no-news site that was receiving better rating than several outlets. It may not have been this one but I am presuming it's similar.
 
http://www.theonion.com/content/ ...urce=videoembed
 
It's a parody of American News and it's quite funny. Unfortunately it is so close to what serves as American News today that it is also sad. Time to get a gripe people; this isn't necessarily a Fox problem but a lack of substantive reporting period.
 
Even Johnny resorted to a foreign source, in his discussion with Haggis the other night. Time to broaden your horizons; perhaps sarainitaly can lead you in that direction if she stays for a little more time than a quick hello.
August 30, 2009, 12:16:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


chris
Blackflon | Homepage | 08.30.09 - 11:55 am |
 
the idiot complained about me? so much for ignoring me
August 30, 2009, 12:32:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


GrandpaD
The GE/government nexus.
 
What are the odds O'Reilly will mention this Monday?
 

August 30, 2009, 12:39:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
"I don't get Fox, so commenting about their specific programming on any given day would really serve no purpose. Now would it?"
 
"It's [The Onion] a parody of American News and it's quite funny. Unfortunately it is so close to what serves as American News today that it is also sad."
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 12:21 pm | #
 
First off, we all know what The Onion is... they've been around for years and years and years... if you're only just finding them now, well, where have you been?
 
But anyway... please resolve for me those two quotes. If you don't get FNC where you live (which is hard to believe), how much America news media DO you get? If you cannot comment on FNC because you don't get it, how much can you comment on? What is your eyewitness experience of American media?
 
ALSO NOTE that short clips and purposely edited segments are far different than actually watching a broadcast. Anyone with an ideology or desire to manipulate can do so with an out-of-context clip very easily (as O'Reilly demonstrated with Jon Stewart a week or two ago). Do not assume they are a fair representation of the "whole picture."
August 30, 2009, 12:45:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Since I have answered your questions, not up to your standards but answered, show me proof of any of these changes and please nothing with a Conservative agenda. I will be waiting.
Al Frankenstein | 08.30.09 - 4:29 am | # 
 
Gosh Alf, why do you have to say these untrue things. You know you haven't answered any of the questions in my 
 
Ashley | 08.29.09 - 1:32 pm |
 
post.
 
I've had to repeat them several times this week because you continue to avoid them.
 
Now to address your "show me proof of any of these changes and please nothing with a Conservative agenda. I will be waiting.
 
Do you really require "proof" that Zucker as the head of NBC reports to Immelt, the CEO of GE??
 
Do you reallly require "proof" that Immelt, as CEO of GE reports to the Board of Directors for GE as well as the Shareholders of GE?
 
Do you really require "proof" that Immelt is on the President's Economic Recovery Advisory Board?
 
Awww Al F,, you little rascal. You're just kidding about all this, right? You're just doing an impersonation of the L'il Feller, right? He's the one I was telling you about earlier this week. Stupid, homophobic, stupid, illiterate, stupid, misogynistic, and stupid."
August 30, 2009, 1:50:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Kinda of reads like Chris contradicts himself. 
Posted by: john t on Sat 8.29 3:40pm 
********************************This was posted at the forum. It was in response to blog about JFein's request that KO should be fired.
 
Blackflon | Homepage | 08.30.09 - 11:55 am | # 
 
B - a weird thing about John T. The post that he is referring to here was made by Chris 7:10 PM Eastern Time, yet John T's criticism appears in his 3:40 pm post (4:40 Eastern Time). For some reason, John T went back to his original 3:40 post which was also about Chris, then edited it to add the second Chris comment. John T also wrote "Oh, I forgot to add this little nugget, which Chris made at Dollar's Dump to the guy that had a blog calling for Olbermann to be fired: 
". Odd that he would say he "forgot".
 
Yesterday, when I went to read John T's critique of me re: space shuttles, I saw the original John T post before he added the second Chris comment.
August 30, 2009, 2:07:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
...Time to broaden your horizons; ...
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 12:21 pm | # 
 
If anyone here needs their horizons broadened, it's certainly not Cecelia.
August 30, 2009, 2:18:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
and with this....
 
Well said John t and david, Ashley does no know anything her and Chimeri all they do is watch Fox News all day and live by every word that Baboon Beck and Billo say. 
Ashley or whatever it is would not know the Space Shuttle if it hit he/she/it/both in the face. 
Posted by: Al Frankenstein on Sun 8.30 1:36pm 
 
The l'il feller Patrick, Michael Weston, and David Troyer is going for a trifecta in being banned from Newshounds.
August 30, 2009, 3:12:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Well, I see the idiot John T is reading J$P. He responded to the time discrepancy issue about Chris' post.
 
Funny how the guy has not responded to the Space Shuttle issue. Maybe he's simply glad he has his pal Patrick back.
 
Thanks again John T for reading J$P.
August 30, 2009, 3:44:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Come, come boys. No niggling, nitpicking nattering on about Ellen's Grand Purpose In Life, to document for the ages their righteous expose of that Reich Wing Christonazi Xenophobic Homophobic lying FNC.
 
With such a noble purpose of course they are justified to endles editing and deleting to ensure their written in stone history is as accurate as Ellenspeak and The Ministry of the Truthful Hounds can make it. 
 
Sheesh, even Winston eventually loved Big Momma.
August 30, 2009, 3:46:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
ImNotBlue | 08.30.09 - 12:50 pm | # 
 
“First off, we all know what The Onion is... they've been around for years and years and years... if you're only just finding them now, well, where have you been?”
 
I gave the Onion as an example of a site that had been mentioned HERE, by one of your members:
 
“”I think someone mentioned a no-news site that was receiving better rating than several outlets. It may not have been this one but I am presuming it's similar.””
 
True, I was being lazy. I guess I could have gone back and found the post and the actual site mentioned, but quite frankly. I couldn’t be bothered.
 
“But anyway... please resolve for me those two quotes. If you don't get FNC where you live (which is hard to believe), how much America news media DO you get? If you cannot comment on FNC because you don't get it, how much can you comment on? What is your eyewitness experience of American media?”
 
Believe it or not the world does not revolve around the American media. People in other countries rely on their own media. Canadian TV reports on American events perhaps better than your American outlets, certainly more succinctly and when necessary they use clips from your media.
 
I don’t get Fox, because it is not part of our normal programming and it is on a package I can live without. I don’t get MSNBC either, it’s not offered at all. I do receive CNN, CNBC, Bloomberg and local stations of NBC, ABC, and CBS. Besides that all and any have their website, if I am really desperate. Let’s see LATimes, New York Times, any and all newspapers covering items I am interested in, via the Web. I assure you I am rather well read and probably a news junkie, but I most likely go further a field than you. Al Jezeera, Haaretz Daily, not to mention the BBC (TV & Web) and various other British papers, but I guess they don’t count they are not American. 
 
“Do not assume they are a fair representation of the "whole picture."”
 
In this day and age, there are more than enough means to double check for oneself. You are being presumptive, at least, if you feel that people don’t.
 
Oh yes I forgot, as to your media question. I do get Stewart, Colbert and Bill Maher, but you do realize that they are comedians and not newscasters at all – don’t you?
August 30, 2009, 3:55:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Grammie, how could I ever argue with that!
August 30, 2009, 3:58:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
but you do realize that they are comedians and not newscasters at all – don’t you?
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 4:00 pm | # 
 
Sadly, many people do.
 
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/22/time-magazine-poll-jon-st_n_242933.html
 
But I can assure you,, none of the regular posters here do.
August 30, 2009, 4:30:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
RE: The Onion... not really sure how one compares the ratings for "The Onion" and a news network (unless you're talking about website traffic... and that's a different... uh... onion, altogether). But moving on...
 
RE: Media in Canada... all that's well and good, you sound very well read... you must be proud of yourself. However, it doesn't really answer the question, "How can you critique American media (specifically cable news), when you apparently don't get or watch them?" I can't criticize Canadian media, because I don't read it, watch it, or know much about it... so I'm confused as to your perspective.
 
I do get Stewart, Colbert and Bill Maher, but you do realize that they are comedians and not newscasters at all – don’t you?
 
They sure are comedians... well, expect really Bill Maher... he's a comedian like Janeane Garofalo or Al Franken is a "comedian." They WERE comedians, who now do mostly politics. As for Stewart and Colbert... yes, they're supposed to be funny... but they're also highly political, and have a huge influence amongst their audience. To call them simply "comedians" is a half-truth at best. "Comedians" don't get to interview global political leaders... they're political satirists... and there's a difference.
August 30, 2009, 4:34:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Ashley | 08.30.09 - 3:17 pm | # 
 
Heck, Man, I had him nailed from "Assley."
August 30, 2009, 5:03:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Heck, Man, I had him nailed from "Assley."
ramjet | Homepage | 08.30.09 - 5:08 pm | # 
 
That's right.
 
Heck man - how could anyone be so stupid? Heck man, how can anyone be such a dope? Heck man if I know!
August 30, 2009, 5:42:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 12:21 pm | # 
 
# 6 & 7
August 30, 2009, 5:46:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
ImNotBlue | 08.30.09 - 4:39 pm | #
 
“RE: The Onion... not really sure how one compares the ratings for "The Onion" and a news network (unless you're talking about website traffic... and that's a different... uh... onion, altogether). But moving on...”
 
Yes let’s do move on because you have missed my point completely. The Website link was posted by your own member Chris, I believe, and it wasn’t the Onion. I was simply assuming that it was a similarly satirical website. It was he that said it was getting better ratings, but I am damned if I can find the post. Perhaps Chris will be kind enough to re-post the information for all our sakes.
 
“RE: Media in Canada... all that's well and good, you sound very well read... you must be proud of yourself. However, it doesn't really answer the question, "How can you critique American media (specifically cable news), when you apparently don't get or watch them?" I can't criticize Canadian media, because I don't read it, watch it, or know much about it... so I'm confused as to your perspective.”
 
I cannot critique all American media and I don’t think I have ever said I could. I only pop in here when something comes up concerning Canada, to say I – believe it or not - or comment on something rather specific like Health Care. If I think I can and will be allowed to contribute.
 
I do get Stewart, Colbert and Bill Maher, but you do realize that they are comedians and not newscasters at all – don’t you?
 
“They sure are comedians... well, expect really Bill Maher... he's a comedian like Janeane Garofalo or Al Franken is a "comedian." They WERE comedians, who now do mostly politics. As for Stewart and Colbert... yes, they're supposed to be funny... but they're also highly political, and have a huge influence amongst their audience. To call them simply "comedians" is a half-truth at best. "Comedians" don't get to interview global political leaders... they're political satirists... and there's a difference.”
 
Yes all three do political satire much like our Rick Mercer, who also has some impressive interviews.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hfGy_b87gI 
 
I will give you the fact that Bill Maher has more of a political commentary show, with a dose of comedy rather than the other way round. This goes back to his original show when Ann Coulter was a frequent guest. But, in my view, Stewart and Colbert are comedy shows. That people obviously get their news via these shows, is in itself a poor commentary on the state of American media.
August 30, 2009, 5:50:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 4:00 pm | #
 
#4 & 6!
August 30, 2009, 5:51:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Re: GE/government nexus
 
'"On climate change," Rice wrote, "we were able to work closely with key authors of the Waxman-Markey climate and energy bill, recently passed by the House of Representatives. If this bill is enacted into law it would benefit many GE businesses."'
 
Where are all the people who tore their hair out over Cheney, oil companies, and energy policy... 
August 30, 2009, 5:59:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Newsbusters is reporting that Olby falsely claimed that Joe Kennedy (JFK's brother), was shot down during WWII.
 
If what NB says about Olby is true, then they are right. Olby is wrong.
 
It also means that Olby can't even get news from over 60 years ago correct. And he thinks he's Edward R. Murrow! 
August 30, 2009, 6:15:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Really Cecelia you are being juvenile. You would perhaps like sugar coating? 
 
If I am to bother perhaps Johnny will be good enough to confirm that many of my links have been deemed unamerican and there by jettisoned, without comment.
 
Sometimes it is difficult to illustrate my Canadian viewpoint without resorting to Canadian media, TV or press. Ok, I can try and respect your rules, and this seems to be one of them, but it makes the dialogue rather disjointed and in the end rather futile.
August 30, 2009, 6:22:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
Where are all the people who tore their hair out over Cheney, oil companies, and energy policy... 
Cecelia | 08.30.09 - 6:04 pm | #
 
Hair Club for Men???
August 30, 2009, 6:37:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
According to this site the projects name was Project Anvil, not Aphrodite as stated at Newsbusters. Also the man's plane went down during WWII, are we not splitting hairs?
 
http://www.aviationmuseum.net/Joe_Kennedy.htm
August 30, 2009, 7:04:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
"Johnny will be good enough to confirm that many of my links have been deemed unamerican and there by jettisoned"
 
I can certainly confirm that I have no idea what you're talking about. Is that what you wanted?
August 30, 2009, 7:17:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
That people obviously get their news via these shows, is in itself a poor commentary on the state of American media.
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 5:55 pm |
 
An interesting point. However, I wonder if that's the fault of the media... or the fault of the people themselves. And knowing that people get their news from these programs, do you think that then requires more responsibility of Stewart and Colbert? Hmmm...
August 30, 2009, 7:22:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
ACCORDING TO WIKI:
 
"Operation Aphrodite was a series of bombing runs by explosive-laden aircraft piloted by a skeleton crew who would parachute from the aircraft before detonation."
 
AND
 
"They [pilots Joe Kennedy and Wilford Willy] flew a modified version of the B-24 Liberator (code named "Anvil") for the U.S. Navy's first Aphrodite mission."
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Jr.
 
As for whether it was really WWII or not... whatever. If it were O'Reilly who said it, Olbermann would attach him for it... so maybe turn about is fair play. But when it comes down to it... KO's said a lot more bone-headed things than this... this past week...
August 30, 2009, 7:32:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
And knowing that people get their news from these programs, do you think that then requires more responsibility of Stewart and Colbert? Hmmm...
ImNotBlue | 08.30.09 - 7:27 pm | # 
 
On an even playing field perhaps. But when news parades as comedy and comedy parades as news, which would you choose?
 
And who should be exhibiting more responsibility? The news caster or the comedian?
August 30, 2009, 7:53:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
"Also the man's plane went down during WWII, are we not splitting hairs?"
 
Let me take the lazy way out here and simply C&P what I just posted at OW on exactly this same point:
 
"CJ, just this very same week KO used the mistake BOR made with the Mud Hens Semi Pro League status to rant about child abuse of BOR by BOR, Sr. and to call FNC viewers such things as racists, tin foil wearers, terrorists etc. Surely, with this MO his every utterance is fair game for a complete anal exam by a big guy with a huge hangnail"
August 30, 2009, 7:54:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 6:27 pm | #
 
A threeper...
 
#2 & 4 & 7!
August 30, 2009, 8:14:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ramjet
BTW, 14TR,
 
You haven't reponded to this post from last night:
 
I'm surprised you don't remember my being "around for the Red Eye discussion." I supported your position. I criticized Gutfeld for his, IMO, inappropriate joke re: the Canadian military. I praised the Canadian military's efforts in Afghanistan.
 
If I'm not mistaken, it was your maiden foray into J$P. I encouraged you to stick around, lighten up a bit, get to know the landscape a little before criticizing the format. I offered explanations on how to keep the different threads straight, how to comment on the pertinent topic and how to get along with the folks here.
August 30, 2009, 8:14:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I can certainly confirm that I have no idea what you're talking about. Is that what you wanted?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.30.09 - 7:22 pm | # 
 
Make that a fourper for 14tr's last post
 
add # 3!
August 30, 2009, 8:16:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Also the man's plane went down during WWII, are we not splitting hairs?
 
oneforetheroad | 08.30.09 - 7:09 pm | #
 
Kennedy was shot down by the enemy... his plane detonated too early in a military experiment to make planes into guided bombs...
 
Aaaaaaa...
 
Such is the stuff of spitting hairs in the Canadian media.
August 30, 2009, 8:25:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


oneforetheroad
Health Care 0, Chit Chat 1.........
Article from the Globe & Mail?
 
New Orleans - 4 years after. two links at least one American.
 
Does that jog your memory?
August 30, 2009, 8:55:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply