1/6/09 12:37 PM

Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Wednesday's numbers: MSNBC tanks! Olbermann sinks sans Milbank.

John Edwards hot potato: cablers' caution continues.

A Fox News work week.

Daddy Lohan: Anderson Cooper is a "hypocritical idiot!"

Cable news? It's all "rubbish!"

CNN dayside changes.

Plagiarist blasts bloggers. Snarky reaction.

Hotline quotes.

Deciphering Larry King.

Today's conspiracy!

Olbermann and O'Reilly: soulmates?

J$P Poll results.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news developments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Mike C.
As I said yesterday (but in a different way), that J$P poll turned into a referendum on John Gibson. (I voted for E.D. Hill, who only got 14%.) I can see "The Big Story" returning anywhere from a week to a month after the election.
August 7, 2008, 1:09:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
From the conspiracy duh zhur:
 
After hearing about the rumor, attorney William Betz of New York wrote an e-mail to the restaurant's corporate offices. Here is an excerpt of his e-mail:
 
"For your information, it is no secret that FOX is a right-wing political propaganda machine that is now and has been for years actively campaigning for the Republican Party and against the Democratic Party. It is the 'baddest' of the 'bad things.'  
 
This from a New York attorney who feels he needs to inform a world-wide multi-billion dollar corporation something that "IS NO SECRET" because of a rumor.
 
God help us all.
August 7, 2008, 1:27:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


John-O
Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting is non-partisan? Who is this Meg White? Is she just taking their word for it?
August 7, 2008, 4:47:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


anon
Gibson is a dumbass. I know because he is at all the meetings.
August 7, 2008, 6:55:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
[message deleted for rules violation: off-topic politics]

Edited By Siteowner
August 7, 2008, 7:55:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
It should be noted that the subject of the deleted message was not politics, but the alarming notion of television in McDonald's and FNC on that television, in direct reponse to a link provided above. Apparently, a passing, but admittedly intentional reference was made to a current social and economic fact, gas prices, that assigned political responsibility for the same. I add this not to bitch and moan, but in the hopes we can all come to understand the whimsical and at times draconian speech limitations with which we are now dealing. And, I fully acknowledge, with the exception of a privileged few more into cable news gossip and cryptic, glancing personal attacks, than matters of wide, active, intense interest and import, these new measures are applied fairly, largely across the political spectrum. A substantive issue of import and interest is as likely to disappear whether the poster is Ashley or Danny or those of us in the loyal opposition. Perhaps, that will provide those of us who wish to comply with the nebulous definition and application an opportunity to do so. My sense is there are some, but few of us out to irritate you, Johnny, or to blatantly disregard your editorial policies designed to preserve the integrity of the site.
August 7, 2008, 9:40:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Is there anyone less amusing or insightful than Dennis Miller on television, today?
August 7, 2008, 9:42:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Mark | 08.07.08 - 9:47 am | #  
 
Love him. I'm still chuckling over his "mounds" joke and BOR overly denying that he understood it.
 
Great factor as ususal.
August 7, 2008, 9:52:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Gibson is a dumbass. I know because he is at all the meetings.
vstol | 08.07.08 - 7:00 am | #  
 
Johnny,
 
Please find out who commited the above ID theft, than delete the bogus post-Thanks
August 7, 2008, 9:54:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
For what it's worth, vstol, we recognized this would not be your sentinment, and we knew your style and humor would be more advanced. You take positions with which I often have exception, but you state your positions well. As Maureen Dowd might say, we knew this juvenalia could not be yours.
August 7, 2008, 9:58:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Mark | 08.07.08 - 10:03 am | #  
 
Mark! Is that really you? You sound so...so...so...oh, I don't know...so reasonable?
 
Nah, the real Mark would never say "have exception" instead of take exception. And the real Mark would never disagree with my 100% factually true statements and spot on analysis of all things cable.
August 7, 2008, 10:17:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
McDonalds only showing Fox News.Well,they lost my business,which actually won't hurt them, since I haven't been in a Mickey d's in 20 years or so.
 
True story. When I was a kid, a McD's opened down the road,and the family piled into the station wagon and cruised on down to the new concept resturaunt (This is when they were still in millions sold).Everyone got a burger, including the family beagle.The dog wouldn't eat his burger, which put everyone off their feed since this dog would (and had) eat anything.
 
But seriously though, McD's would know better than to limit their TV to Fox News. Taking a glance at Foxnewsporn, McD's would lose all their family values creds if they had Fox on their TV's. I'd post the link, but no....wouldn't be prudent.
August 7, 2008, 10:30:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
vstol, it as a newshound, for sure.
August 7, 2008, 10:32:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Yes, vstol, but only I, the general article, would quote Maureen Dowd at this site, and only I would use the nominative case correctly, despite the odd sound and the risk of subjecting myself to criticism as an elitist for doing so. I do agree I ought to have used "take".
August 7, 2008, 10:41:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Funniest cable news comment of the year with an element of truth in it!
 
Dennis Miller-
 
"...if he (Obama) doesn't watch it, he's going to lose the Presidency and simultaneously become Time Magazine's Man of the Year...and that's going to be an odd quandry for him."
August 7, 2008, 10:43:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
vstol,
 
It boils down to this: When you read that Mark holds you in esteem, you should get that same kind of thrill up your leg as Matthews does when he hears Obama .
 
I wonder: t.v. at a public place dilemma. Someone wants to watch MSNBC, another wants to watch Fox, another CNN (right now Seseme Street is on for a kid who already left). They are the only ones present. What to do?
August 7, 2008, 10:52:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
The Miller question was basically rhetorical, Ashley, although I find your answer interesting. I have many friends who think Miller is great. I've never cared for him, from SNL through football to O'Reilly. Taste. Go figure. I can watch "Dumb and Dumber" on a loop all night.
August 7, 2008, 10:54:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I hold many people with whom I fundamentally disagree on important issues in high esteem, Sharon, and I expect nothing in return for that. In fact, it is generally only sloths and nitwits I hold in low regard. That doesn't include vstol, and it doesn't include you.
August 7, 2008, 11:00:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I just watched the Miller clip. No one is ever 100% funny, but he gets close sometimes. Not always, but sometimes.
August 7, 2008, 11:04:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I like Mike Barnicle very much. i enjoy his insights, but really the blogging community only reflects what's happening in society at large, not the other way around.
 
I was absolutely astounded by the public service messages for prophylactics that O'Reilly aired last night. Good lord! People worry about kids seeing FNC at MickeyD's with this sort of coarse stuff on tv and the internet?
August 7, 2008, 11:10:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
olby sucks | 08.07.08 - 10:37 am  
 
He's got it, by jove, I think he's got it.
 
It's August. It's election season on cable news and what do we get?  
 
There is nothin' you can name that is anythin' like a NH dane!
 
News Hounds and Englishmen go out in the midday sun.
 
I'm just grateful Mark talked about my "positions" and not my stance.
August 7, 2008, 11:16:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I have gotten to like Barnicle too, Cecelia. I remember that MSNBC gave him a shot in an evening time slot some years ago, and I thought he was terrible. It seemed as if he were trying to play a role not suited for him. I don't agree with him often, but his style is likable.
August 7, 2008, 11:27:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
McDonald's IS pretty blah, nvh.  
 
When it comes to the joys of greasy fast food hamburgers the best places are Checkers and Fat Burger.
 
Where I live there is a old gas station that serves the best darn greasy spoon hamburgers on the planet. Smothered in onions and crockpot chili, they are heaven.
 
I'm going to have to have one for lunch now, I think.
 
I'm pretty certain it wouldn't take much effort to talk the very earthy owner into only showing FNC on his television there too.
August 7, 2008, 11:27:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Tell me no, Cecelia. I am immensely fond of Barnicle. I like Matthews also, but I find watching him can just wear me out. It is very demanding. I get some good insights from Barnicle, and I find him relaxing.
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My neighbor has a couple of little ones, at the inquisitive stage. She is one of those far right wing social values sorts. O'Reilly was on as she was finishing preparing dinner. The amount of band width she is using this morning is staggering. I still haven't seen the clip. From what I have heard, I would be a bit more non-chalant about it all, but I understand from whence she is coming.
August 7, 2008, 11:30:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
sharm, one of the reasons Barnicle turned it down is that he'd be away from his children too much.
August 7, 2008, 11:32:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, Mark, I don't consider myself prudish at all. I just pity a generation that seems to have taken all the dirty fun and seduction out of getting jiggy with it...
August 7, 2008, 11:38:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
O, no! Now Sharon likes Barnicle. I can only pray that Jeff doesn't agree. I might have to go into therapy.
 
You're absolutely right, Cecelia. An argument can be made that O'Reilly was providing a service of sorts, perhaps even a necessary one for young men and women whose parents don't deal with this issue. I disagree with the choice of "forum," however. I reluctantly came around to such demonstrations in school, but I am not prepared for this in prime time.
August 7, 2008, 11:43:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
I was absolutely astounded by the public service messages for prophylactics that O'Reilly aired last night. Good lord! People worry about kids seeing FNC at MickeyD's with this sort of coarse stuff on tv and the internet?
Cecelia | 08.07.08 - 11:15 am | #  
 
And the aclu has NO problem with it, either. But, they'll spend millions of dollars suing the crap out of the Boy Scouts. In regards to the news channel in Mickey D's, I'm quit sure if bbc or msnbc was on there would have been not peep.
August 7, 2008, 12:06:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I think at McDonald's a belch is more likely than a peep.
August 7, 2008, 12:08:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Explains why you were there....nice diversion, btw.
August 7, 2008, 12:17:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
Cecelia | 08.07.08 - 11:32 am |
 
I've always been a fan of diner food.Individual,unique and cheap. The uniformity of chains (Denny's Perkins, etc) just leaves me cold.
 
My favorites in this area; Wagon Wheel in Conestoga, Valley View at The Buck, and Happy Acres on 896 near Landenburg. The Birmingham Grill on 322 was a real, pre-fab stainless steel diner. Unfortunately,it's gone.
 
O'Reilly showing public service condom announcements.Didn't hear about it. Was he playing "Isn't it awful, look at this"?And were they as bad as the saturation boner pill ads we got during the Superbowl?
August 7, 2008, 12:19:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I love diner food too, nvh and I hate the absolutely awful ugly and inedible food chains like Applebee's, etc, as well.
 
We have several locally owned cafes and diners that are wonderful for different reasons-- great soul food or great sandwiches, etc.
 
There's a special place in my heart for the ole Dinner Bell. A little local diner where I grew up. My grandmother and I would always go there after a day of shopping at clothing stores. Stores where there were actual soft couches and chairs for tired feet and calming and energizing beverages and nibbleys. You came out of the dressing room and modeled for everyone what you were trying on. They yea'd, nay'd, pitched accessories, or penned you up for alterations. You have to look hard for anything even resembling THAT now too.
 
We're just sounding damn old here, aren't we, nvh, and we're testing Johnny's patience too.
August 7, 2008, 12:41:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Rick Sanchez! Why?
August 7, 2008, 12:59:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I agree, Mark. But I disagree about Miller. I love him (not like that). I've been a fan of his since the mid-'90s. Then, I saw all his "Saturday Night Live" work from '85 to '91.
 
>and we're testing Johnny's patience too.<
And mine. To that effect, I want to reiterate what Johnny posted this morning in the Wednesday thread:
>The purpose of these threads is not to serve as a chat room, a debate forum, or the like. It is to comment on cable news developments, topical news, etc. The fact that I get emails every day from people who are sick of wading through all the back and forth bickering means that I am going to serve my readership by whatever means necessary.<
I have been among those e-mailing my displeasure. Please follow his words. (I'm wasting my time, but it's always worth a shot to get through.)
August 7, 2008, 1:31:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Why are McDonalds assuming their customers want to listen to Right Wing talking points while enjoying a Big-Mac and chips...That's the question that need asked.
August 7, 2008, 1:44:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Chacun à son goût, Mike, et vive la différence! One of my best friends lives and breathes Country Music, and I can listen for a bit under 45 seconds before I'm ready to run out the door. What a bland world we'd have if everyone loved Olbermann, and everyone tuned to O'Reilly every night.
 
Good to repeat the advice or admonition or whatever we call it.
August 7, 2008, 1:54:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I thought that someone as discerning and perspicacious as you would have read the article closely enough to know the claim about Fox is untrue. I am sure there is no point in trying to get an explanation for how Alan Colmes, Bob Beckel, Geraldo Rivera, Howard Wolfson, Bill Hemmer, and Shep Smith all spout 'right wing talking points'.
 
No I don't want an answer. It's a rhetorical comment. See, I am astute enough to know when you, HF, are spouting your talking points.
August 7, 2008, 1:54:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 1:59 pm |
 
J$, you missed a few folk out on that list...They would be on air while McDonalds is open..."No corporate policy that she knows of"...Doesn't mean the story is untrue
August 7, 2008, 2:07:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK, HF, let it be as you say. The only names that matter are the ones you don't like. The 'corporate policy' is true unless someone (me? Judge Wapner?) can prove it isn't, because a blogger said so. Fox is guilty until proven innocent because newsliars say so.
 
You know what? Just don't eat at McDonald's if you don't like what's on their tv. Problem solved. That will be ten dollars please.
August 7, 2008, 2:17:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Curiously and seriously, has anyone ever seen a television in a McDonalds? I honestly don't know, and I think it is an extraordinarily bad idea. I think it was Letterman who said the best public television is the "Welcome to the Sheraton". I agree.
August 7, 2008, 2:20:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I think the Judge Wapner comment has to win the prize today. Congratulations, Johnny!
August 7, 2008, 2:22:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 2:22 pm |
 
That's not nice calling someone a liar...But enough of this jocularity.
I had to laugh this morning when F&F were outraged...Outraged I say...That Suskind had appeared on news channels...But the same outrage wasn't around when Corsi appeared on news channel...Including FNC numerous times....Is there a message there?
August 7, 2008, 2:27:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK HF back it up. Who was outraged, and what exactly did he or she say? Your record of telling the truth about what's on Fox has been spotty at best. So here is a test. Your cyber travel plans for the next few days are going to depend on if or how you answer this.
August 7, 2008, 2:30:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 2:35 pm |
 
I don't have a tape of the segment to give word for word details...You have to remember, I was just in from a long morning milking the cows...But you may have the tape....Brian certainly sounded unhappy...They had some guy on from the media research centre(think that was what it was called)...The viewers weren't told this is a Right Wing organisation...But this guy was outraged.
August 7, 2008, 2:41:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK You'll get one last chance to answer. Who of the Fox & Friends were "outraged" that Susskind "had appeared on news channels"? Which one? And what did he or she say? Answer carefully.
August 7, 2008, 2:46:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
...You could say the same about most political/media blogs that take sides.
HaggisFarmer | 08.06.08 - 9:24 pm | #  
 
Take a stab.
olby sucks | 08.06.08 - 9:27 pm | #  
 
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Yes it's wrong and I can't defend it....But the same also happens on right wing blogs.
 
I'd be happy to take you up on that offer...
HaggisFarmer | 08.06.08 - 10:22 pm | #  
 
Really? Why did you avoid it earlier?
 
After you address J
August 7, 2008, 2:50:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
HaggisFarmer | 08.07.08 - 2:46 pm |
 
I saw that too. Didn't give it nearly enough attention, but the guest was someone with Brent Bozo's Media Research Council.They sure looked outraged to me.  
 
BTW,just curious, this is Holstein country, what do you raise?
August 7, 2008, 2:51:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
FOX bemoans coverage of Suskind bombshell, blames liberal media for willingness to accept "allegations"
Reported by Chrish - Thu 11:29 AM
 
Johnny, you've probably already seen this, but, this is why haggis is stumbling so. His source is a little shakey, at best.
August 7, 2008, 2:53:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
FOX bemoans coverage of Suskind bombshell, blames liberal media for willingness to accept "allegations"
Reported by Chrish - Thu 11:29 AM
 
Johnny, you've probably already seen this, but, this is why haggis is stumbling so. His source is a little shakey, at best.
olby sucks | 08.07.08 - 2:58 pm | #  
 
Good grief! Can that boy not offer up a word unless he's read it first at News Hounds?
August 7, 2008, 2:55:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
nvh I could care less who 'looked' outraged to you. OS, there is something very curious about the timing of that post you referenced, but I'm going to hold that for HF's response. All, please hold off on this topic until HF gives his answer.
August 7, 2008, 2:56:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 2:51 pm |
 
The guy from the research centre was outraged....I may have been a bit over dramatic about the Friends being outraged...But they certainly didn't sound happy....I have no tape/transcript of the segment, so I can't give a word for word account of what was said....Hope this clarifies thing.
August 7, 2008, 3:02:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I just watched the F&F video which can be found on a website VERY related to the topic. I saw the entire segment.
 
There was no outrage, no anger, no hostility. There was only criticism on the topic which the speaker from Media Research Center backed up by facts and statistics.
 
If anyone really believes there was outrage there (as opposed to just making it up to annoy F&F/FNC fans), then I would have to question their analytical skills. There simply was no hostility of any kind.
August 7, 2008, 3:27:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK this is a little lengthy but it's for explanation purposes. Haggis has been sent to Exile Island for a lovely, restful stay. The reasons are important.
 
From his first appearances here, HF has been shall we say fast and loose about telling the truth. The famed example, because so many people were online at the time, was when he suddenly slammed Bill O'Reilly for permitting a racial comment on his show to pass without saying a word, let alone making an objection. In fact, O'Reilly immediately spoke up and chastised the speaker for it, as several who were online at the time realized.
 
HF was never able to explain his false report about something he supposedly had just witnessed with his own eyes. When he wasn't trying to worm out of it ("I misheard"), he was tacitly admitted that he lied by claiming he was "testing" to see if anybody online would catch him in the lie.
 
This pattern has continued, on and off, from HF, whose purpose here appears not to be what most of us are here for: to discuss the latest news about cable news. It is rather to steer and direct every thread to what he wants. And surprisingly, there is a common thread in each of his diversionary links. You all know what it is. I've had to limit his link posts because otherwise he would be posting 4,5,6 or more links every day to the sites he prefers to cite.
 
Today, I'm afraid, was the last straw. His claim that the Fox & Friends people were "outraged" that Susskind appeared on cable news programs was a lie. (And you can deduce what that makes people who backed him up on it.) Neither Gretchen Carlson nor Kilmeade expressed outrage about Susskind "appearing on news channels". Period. There were discussions about the nature of the coverage, or the need for news channels to investigate his claims, but HF was quite specific. F&F were outraged that Suskind appeared, but not that Corsi appeared.
 
As a side note: it was on F&F that Corsi got the toughest grilling of any of his tv interviews, from Bob Beckel. But I digress.
 
What is HF's purpose here? I can't know for sure, but I can know that, aside from praising the lying newshounds repeatedly, he seems to be in concert with them. Follow. We know that Ellen Brodsky has told people to be as rude as possible when they come over here to post. She wants to disrupt this site (if she can't close it down), and oddly enough HF seems to have the same goal.
 
Today's HF interjection was noteworthy because of the newsmutt connection. HF came here spouting a blatantly false description of the F&F segment, claiming he saw it himself. Just moments after he did so, a post appeared by the newspoodles. Coincidentally, it seemed to make the exact same claims as HF did, even down to invoking Corsi. No coincidence, say I.
 
If in fact HF has access to NH posts before they even appear, then he is not just doing the work of the hounds, he may well be one of them himself. How else to know what's in a post before it is made public? Oh, and another interesting point: when the NH post did appear, moments after HF's false statement here, it did so back-dated in a way that would make it not the top item on the page. In other words, it was disguised to make it look like it appeared some time before it really did.
 
Whew! I warned you this would be long. Haggis is going to spend a few days at Exile Island. I don't like deliberate provocateurs but I put up with them. I don't have to put up with them when they have been repeatedly caught circulating falsehoods. And I especially don't have to put up with them if they are part of a planned campaign to disrupt and shut down this site. I will not be intimidated.
August 7, 2008, 3:29:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
By the way, there is no doubt that the media in general pay far more attention to the books critical of the Bush Administration than the books which support the admininstration. the Today show is a classic example, giving several days to an author critical of the Bush Admin.
 
Another thing not mentioned is when someone like Franken writes a book, he can come on the Today show and discuss the book being the sole guest. When Anne Coulter or Michelle Malkin get on, they are forced to have to have a Beckel or other left wing pundit be on the segment with them to offer criticism
August 7, 2008, 3:32:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, that's what I was trying to convey to FF last night. I didn't surmise that Haggis might actually BE one of the News Hounds bloggers, just that he was tight as a cheap suit with the folks there. However, I still feel badly that I sounded so caustic.
 
Okay, I'm through being my own defense attorney...
August 7, 2008, 3:51:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
BTW, Johnny, you're brilliant!
August 7, 2008, 3:52:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Another thing not mentioned is when someone like Franken writes a book, he can come on the Today show and discuss the book being the sole guest. When Anne Coulter or Michelle Malkin get on, they are forced to have to have a Beckel or other left wing pundit be on the segment with them to offer criticism
Ashley | 08.07.08 - 3:37 pm | # 
 
THAT is an astute point!
August 7, 2008, 3:55:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Late summer and thoughts turn to prickly pear jelly making, Cecelia. A few spines have to be endured to get to the meat. In the end, it's all worth it.
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Ashley, I am very interested in your analysis. I don't think either Coulter or Malkin are much welcome on most broadcast networks. Their anger, their intensity, their maliciousness, particularly in the case of Coulter, are not comfortable for most viewers. They are not the type of people most individuals want in their living rooms, the rather small pool of cable news viewers excepted. So, I'm not sure where that goes.
 
And, Coulter has been untethered on Matthews, at least until their falling out.
 
Certainly, McClellan made the rounds of all of the broadcast and cable shows.
Of course, some have characterized his book anti-Bush, so that doesn't get me anywhere. 
 
Is there some pro-Bush book, not the product of Coulter or Malkin or their ghost writers, that you can think of that furthers your analysis? There may well be, and I am just missing it.
 
I suppose my point is that you may be onto something, and you have certainly advanced a conventional wisdom. The personalities of Coulter and Malkin and the nature of their work or the work of their ghost writers are such that I would just be more comfortable examining an argument not based upon them.
August 7, 2008, 4:06:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Thank you, Kieren McCarthy! Brilliant analysis! Simply brillo!
 
It could be argued midday is not the best time to get a handle on US (cable and broadcast) news. That does, indeed, tend to be a bimbo rush, but I don't think evening is much better. Take away the commercials, and an hour becomes maybe 5-7 minutes of hard news.
 
Great link. I'm glad this was found and presented.
August 7, 2008, 4:22:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I think that without commercials, "Special Report" is 24 minutes of hard news and 18 minutes of commentary, plus The Grapevine and an outro comedy clip. The "Fox Report" is 34 minutes of hard news, and 8 of lighter. These are just ballpark estimates on my part; so, I could be wrong.
By the way, I hope the NH poser known as HF never returns. We are richer for his exile. The guy with an exciting life that must have mental problems (source: NH) has spoken.
August 7, 2008, 4:56:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I am sure you are correct about Fox Report, Mike, and it is a fairly packed time. That is FNC's true news show. I suspect you and I might quibble about how newsy Special Report is, but I would not be too surprised if you are fairly close.
August 7, 2008, 4:59:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
"outraged" that Susskind appeared on cable news programs was a lie. (And you can deduce what that makes people who backed him up on it.) "
 
Would you admit that the perception of "outrage" in voice inflection,body posture and facial expression may be a subjective judgement?
 
Now we had a little dust-up once over your use of the term "deliberate lie". I did not call you a liar over your interpretation,but perhaps I should have, given how loosely "lie" is tossed about.
 
However, I have recently questioned myself over why I continue to be polite to people who are rude to me. So,editing myself for the sake of the children, f*** you,mate, and the horse you rode in on, you sniveling martinet.
 
I see where you claim that you've exposed hundreds of "Newshound lies". I've never seen you post one, except by your crudely expanded definition of "lie". I used to work with a young man who,when it would rain when the weatherman had called for sun, would rave the rest of the day that the weatherman was a liar. He had an IQ ogf 68, what's your excuse.
 
Your rule against politics is routinely violated by your regulars, but if someone responds to a political post, you often warn them.Your rule against personal insults is routinely violated by your regulars (I see you Danny, peeking over your dogeared copy of "Crime and Punishment"), and you look the other way.
 
And you condemn Newshounds.At least they are upfront about their bias. Though I will consider the possibility that you, and your posters, have no clear idea just how far out on the Rightwing fringe of American politics that you dwell.
 
Since you are an O'Reilly fan, I'm sure you won't trouble to delete this post this post, as this is well in keeping with his style, but if you do,and if you ban me, I will understand, like the prince in Shrek, you've got to have an orderly kingdom.
August 7, 2008, 6:33:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> the perception of "outrage" in voice inflection,body posture and facial expression may be a subjective judgement?
 
Of course it may. But since nobody EVER SAID ONE THING complaining that he was allowed to go on "cable news channels", it doesn't matter how much body posture you read, because the basic premise is a falsehood to start with.
 
> I see where you claim that you've exposed hundreds of "Newshound lies". I've never seen you post one
 
I agree with you on that. I don't recall ever posting a lie myself. I try to avoid fabricating things to smear people. As for the hounds, their hundreds of lies are documented in the archives of this site, with transcripts, audio, and video clips proving them wrong. And even lying about their lies to cover their tracks. It's not by accident that they delete anything I post on sight. They'd rather spread lies than admit the truth.
 
> you, and your posters, have no clear idea just how far out on the Rightwing fringe of American politics that you dwell.
 
Man, talk about lies. I wonder if you can quote my words to back up your claim of 'rightwing fringe'. Quote some of my far-out rightwing polemics, from anywhere on this site, on any issue you please. 
 
> you sniveling martinet.
 
Name-calling. Yeah, much better than actually backing up what you say with the truth. I'm going to let this msg stand, because everyone is going to want to see your documentation for what you've said. Like who on that F&F segment ever expressed even one word of outrage that Suskind was allowed to appear on cable news channels. Like what my fringe rightwing positions are that you insist I have, documented of course with my own words.
 
Go ahead, take your time. I'll wait. I hope you can back up your words better than Haggis did.
August 7, 2008, 6:45:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"(Newshounds) are upfront about their bias." -nvh
 
Well, that clears their documented record of serial lies! Guess we should pack up our bags and leave now, mission accomplished.
August 7, 2008, 6:49:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Wed demo #'s and KO's ranking behind: Grace @ 8 & 11, King @ 9, Cooper @ 10 & 11, Hume, Shep, H&C, Greta and O'Reilly @ 8 & 11 - looks like a strong 11th place finish for Edward R O. Keep this up and Maddow will be the Countdown host. Can hardly contain my delight for a guy that has truly earned what is coming to him.
August 7, 2008, 7:02:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ellen
She wants to disrupt this site (if she can't close it down).
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Sooo, J$ is not just a harrasser but a liar, too. 
 
I detect a classic Freudian case of projection here.
 
Please get professional help now.
 
By the way, the next time I report you for harassment (assuming you still will not be able to keep away from our site), I will cite this delusional rant as more evidence.
August 7, 2008, 7:28:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> She wants to disrupt this site
 
Encouraging people to be as rude as possible when they post here counts as disruption in my book. And it's your own words too! Malice and intent. Malice and intent.
 
> By the way, the next time I report you for harassment...
 
How'd that last report work out for you? I'm still here. My ISP hasn't shut me down yet! Are you still trolling the internet telling any blog site you can find my name on how evil I am? Malice and intent.
 
By the way, I'm not going to report you for harrassment because you posted on a public comment thread. 1. Because I don't want to look like a blithering idiot for making such a fatuous claim. And B. Because then I might not get gems like the above.
August 7, 2008, 7:37:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
I wanted to comment when I saw that, Johnny, but wanted to give you the first reaction here. The sequence of events is quite interesting. First, you sent HF to Exile Island. Mr. Congeniality comes pipes in for a few before nvh lets loose. Then Ellen comes aboard. Very interesting ...
August 7, 2008, 7:48:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Sharm, it would have been interesting to have seen some sort of reaction from Ellen about Johnny's charge that the Susskind blog at NHs was back-dated.
August 7, 2008, 7:55:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Cecelia, excellent point. I overlooked how neatly she sidestepped that one. Cecelia: Commenter of the Day.
August 7, 2008, 7:57:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Well, Johnny. Which jail will you be in so we can put some money on the books for ya? With all the evidence ellen has against you, you should just go turn yourself in. :lol:
August 7, 2008, 7:58:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'll be satisfied if you come to see me on visitors' day.
August 7, 2008, 8:00:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Sharm, HF insists he has no connection with newshounds. Except of course when he's posting there, sometimes even under the same name he adopts here:
 
http://www.haloscan.com/comments/newshounds/14646/#720546
 
It is curious how quickly Ellen ran over here to do damage control after HF was sent to Exile Island. Must be just a coincidence, eh?
August 7, 2008, 8:03:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Amazing, isn't it? The irony of claiming you as the harasser is too much.
August 7, 2008, 8:13:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
I'd just like to say...I'm not an insider from NewsHounds.
August 7, 2008, 8:14:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
It is curious how quickly Ellen ran over here to do damage control after HF was sent to Exile Island. Must be just a coincidence, eh?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 8:08 pm | # 
 
Mutual interests. Haggis owns livestock and she runs Animal House...
August 7, 2008, 8:16:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
"He asserted that it costs Saudi Arabia $2 a barrel to produce the oil, yet "they" are charging $138/bbl"
 
How can anyone take Billo seriously...When he thinks Saudi Arabia decides on how much to charge the U.S for oil...I hoped his guests would point out his error...But no.
HaggisFarmer | 06.10.08 - 8:43 am |
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.07.08 - 8:08 pm | 
 
I never wrote that
August 7, 2008, 8:18:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
HF, I suppose you think you need to clear your name over the incredible coincidence of someone else with that exact same handle posting at newshounds. I'll take it that is why you sought to circumvent your stay at Exile Island. But further violations will only exacerbate things. Let it play out and then you can return here if you are so moved and once again have your say. Thank you so much.
August 7, 2008, 8:26:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
I wanted to discuss KO's declining #'s which I think is a relevant Cable News topic, regardless of what NH's is doing. Am I off base?
August 7, 2008, 8:27:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Mutual interests. Haggis owns livestock and she runs Animal House...
Cecelia | 08.07.08 - 8:21 pm | # 
 
I give you my own comment of the day award.
August 7, 2008, 8:28:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Shame on you david, wanting to talk cable news. I will declare a special rule that lets you discuss cable news any time you like...including now.
 
KO's numbers stunk to high heaven last night. But I wonder if it wasn't just a one-night glitch.
August 7, 2008, 8:30:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
David,
 
Have there been any significant changes in the numbers been since Milbank left?
August 7, 2008, 8:31:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Didn't see 8:35...
August 7, 2008, 8:31:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Several days ago I mentioned Ellen Brodsky's article entitled "Are we Getting to Sean Hannity?"
 
This was after Ellen smeared Hannity viciously and called him every name in the book.
 
Unlike what Ellen has done to Dollar: Johnny has never been discourteous to Ellen; has never called her any vulgar names; has never called her any names period; has never encouraged anyone IN PRINT to go to his site and to be as rude as possible to him; has never encouraged anyone period to be rude to Ellen or the other Newhounds; and has never written a letter of complaint for the purpose of having her internet privileges revoked.
 
Despite all of that, Ellen has projected her tendencies towards harassment onto Johnny. When she also projected a need for professional help, was she talking about herself? Sounds likje it.
August 7, 2008, 8:34:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
My own sense, as one against whom charges, some true and accurate, most petty and malicious have been leveled from time-to-time, frequently by some the small, intemperate sort, is that HF ought be allowed to speak. Of course, I well know this will invite at least three (3) of the deadly sins to be committed against me, for I not only give view and voice to opinions not the conventional wisdom here, but I also display my committment to reason and civility. Johnny, you are well big enough to indulge, rising as you do well above so many of your minions.
August 7, 2008, 8:39:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
NVH,
 
Unlike your behavior even today, I have never called you a name. I have only attacked your behavior and your arguments. I have never attacked you,
 
Coming form someone who does not denounce the cesspool known as Newshounds your whiny protests about about being attacked here are quite humorous.
 
Go to any thread in Newshounds to see what unrestrained personal attacks and insults REALLY look like, Look at the way Captain America signs his name and the reason for his doing so. Hell,.even the leader of Newshounds (Ellen Brodsky) does not mind making a vulgar personal attack.
 
And you are going to tell me that you are sensitive to relatively tame attacks on your behavior and arguments? 
 
Do you even realize how absurd your post is? 
 
Thanks. I haven't been in the best of moods and I needed a good laugh for today.
August 7, 2008, 8:44:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Well, we will see tomorrow, as I think a negative trend started a few week's ago and is just playing out now. Grace was closing on him and I think he has worn out his welcome, even with his main stream media folks NBC posse.. I mean how much more over the top ranting can we take. I pray that today's numbers continue to play out and expose this moron for what he is.
August 7, 2008, 8:44:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
david, I saw a report on MSNBC about some Pew research saying there's quite a lot of Obama fatigue out there.
 
One commenter stated that it would be off-base to interpret that as a threat to Obama's campaign and that's logical. However, since Countdown is an ode to all things Obama and DNC, perhaps that's why the numbers have gone down.
August 7, 2008, 8:48:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
On a personal level, which may mean little, I think there is a great deal of election fatigue out there in general. I am finding myself tuning into an hour of "Morning Joe" and the last half hour of "Matthews/Barnicle" and nothing more. That's unusual for me. Obama's wishy-washiness of late and McCain's nastiness and negativity of late have surprised and disappointed me. I wonder if the luster is off the election cycle, permanently, which will surely be reflected in cable news ratings, which soared during the primaries, or, if after Labor Day, interest will again soar. I suspect that will happen, in at least some measure. But, I suspect interest may have peaked. When we go back to the political shows, will it be with less intense interest? I think so.
August 7, 2008, 8:55:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Mark | 08.07.08 - 8:44 pm |
 
mark, I agree with your comments.
HF should be aloud to answer the charges against him.
August 7, 2008, 8:57:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
I suppose the chances of there being 2 'haggis farmers' are about as probable as there being 2 'Mrs. Philby's.' None!
 
Out of all the posts made under the name of 'haggis farmer' he is only disclaiming one? 
 
On a more important note. How 'bout those Olbermann numbers!
 
:lol:
August 7, 2008, 8:58:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
mark, I agree with your comments.
 
Bungling Bob | 08.07.08 - 9:02 pm | # 
 
Shocker!
August 7, 2008, 9:00:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Thanks, BB, but I would rather HF answer the charges quietly.
August 7, 2008, 9:07:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> mark, I agree with your comments.
 
Just who are you, where did you come from, and why are you sticking your nose in here? Other than that, welcome to J$P! 
 
(in case you don't know the smiley, my comments are tongue-in-cheek)
August 7, 2008, 9:12:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Just who are you, where did you come from, and why are you sticking your nose in here?
 
Hello J$P. Thank you for the welcome
I'm a long time lurker and felt it only fair this HF person be aloud to answer the charges. No confrontation wanted here.
I'll go back to lurking.
August 7, 2008, 9:18:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
What I don't understand is why did I see two HF comments after the exile?
August 7, 2008, 9:19:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Welcome, Bob. Believe me, with HF around here--or any troll, for that matter--I've had no choice but to lurk. Just keep to discussing cable news without veering off into politics and you'll be fine.
HF couldn't answer the charges, anyway. He just diverted and steered to other topics.
August 7, 2008, 9:23:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Mike, when J$ said "I'll take it that is why you sought to circumvent your stay at Exile Island" that meant to me that Haggis had circumvented banning by changing IPs.
 
Welcome, BB!
August 7, 2008, 9:24:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Thank you Mike C and Fox fan
I understand what your saying Mike C. He did appear to run off topic very easily.
I think your right about the IP address thing...But how do you do that.
 
It was good to see the numbers that bad for Olbermann...Long may it continue.
August 7, 2008, 9:31:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Bingo, FF. Exactly what he did on OW, as well. 
 
I'm still waiting for him to back his spew in regards to "right wing" blogs doing the same thing as 'newhounds' does. Lying, that is. He claimed he had "many examples." 
 
I've seen none, to date.
August 7, 2008, 9:31:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
So, BB, how did you find this site?
 
OS, Haggis didn't have an answer to that question, but he did direct me to a great beer so I forgive him. I'm a very forgiving person.
August 7, 2008, 9:39:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
david smawley | 08.07.08 - 7:39 pm
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Mods, FYI, troll via J B$ site.
Average American Patriot | 08.07.08 - 8:56 pm | # 
 
In case you're wondering where "BB" went. He's a little tied up. Tattling. :lol:
August 7, 2008, 9:44:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
So, BB, how did you find this site?
 
Came across the site after watching a video on TVNewser. This site was credited for posting the video.
August 7, 2008, 9:44:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
OS, you might be paranoid but I'll give BB the benefit of the doubt.
 
This is a great site, BB. I believe you've posted here before, haven't you?
August 7, 2008, 9:52:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
that meant to me that Haggis had circumvented banning by changing IPs.
 
I'm paranoid? 
:lol:
August 7, 2008, 9:54:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Fox Fan, No I've not posted here before.
I read J$P post about this Haggis person and agreed with most of it. but just felt it only fair he could answer.
 
I'm only really here tonight as my cable packed up when I got in from work.  I'd normally be watching Sean and that Colmes person.
August 7, 2008, 10:01:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Well Fox Fan, once you have experienced Jimmy the Juggling Clown, it is really hard to dismiss Bungling Bob so handily, especially in the midst of a little shake up here. Just a little conjecturing. I don't want Mike to have to resort to lurking so...
are O-Reilly and Olbermann really soulmates?
August 7, 2008, 10:10:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm ignorant of Jimmy the Juggling Clown (insert ball-touching joke here), so please forgive me if I don't understand.
 
I swear I've seen Bob's handle online before.
August 7, 2008, 10:13:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I just Googled "bungling bob newshounds" and got nothing.
August 7, 2008, 10:17:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Jimmy is a past alter ego of someone here. The juggling Jimmy, the Bungling Bob, such cutesy names. How about the "sudden" stumbling on the site. But who am I to say? Just an observer . . .
August 7, 2008, 10:23:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I would use (without carrots) if I were searching for that.
 

August 7, 2008, 10:24:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The carrots destroyed my suggested search terminology.
 
"bungling bob" site:www.newshounds.us
 
in Google. It doesn't return anything however.
August 7, 2008, 10:26:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Mike C, I wouldn't go near newshound. 
I'm called Bungling Bob because I tripped and landed face first in my mates birthday cake  when I was 9.
August 7, 2008, 10:33:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Eric
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Bungling Bob
Polls, polls, polls...Just try watching Fox and you'll soon see how fair and balanced they are.
August 7, 2008, 10:50:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
OS and sharm, I stand corrected. You recognized Bob perfectly.
August 7, 2008, 10:56:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
Nothing conclusive from me... out for the night...
August 7, 2008, 10:58:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
J$, you made by day with the Wednesday numbers. K"C"O must be kicking some poor mutt by now. I pity his staff, I bet they are all getting a new one ripped, afterall it must be THEIR fault.
August 7, 2008, 11:00:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Ashley, I've been wondering what K"C"O means. Please explain?
August 7, 2008, 11:01:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Let's not get all paranoid and Burn Notice-y here. I'm happy to have Bob on board so let's not pick on him for no reason, OK?
August 7, 2008, 11:02:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Keith "Czechoslovakia" Olbermann.
August 7, 2008, 11:04:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I agree, Johnny, but I'm wary myself. Still, Vince thought I was a far-left guy when I first came here. So, I know how Bob feels when it's assumed he's a troll.
August 7, 2008, 11:05:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I know what it feels like too Mike, Scott accused me of being OTM when he flitted through here.
August 7, 2008, 11:09:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Eric
ROFL. You've completely lost, Johnny. Nobody takes Fox serious except for McCain backers. No one believes your laughable lies about Fox being balanced. If it was really balanced more Democrats would watch. They aren't and the reason is because Fox is in the tank for McCain.
 
More McCain supporters watch MSNBC and CNN than Obama supporters watch Fox.
August 7, 2008, 11:10:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Eric gives great rimjobs.
August 7, 2008, 11:14:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
FF,
 
Yeah I was going to reply, but Johnny would do a better job. So I defer to him.
August 7, 2008, 11:15:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I think I've said everything that needs to be said about Eric. Thanks, Eric!
August 7, 2008, 11:17:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


anon
Yes. 
 
Let's not get all paranoid.
 
Just because the News Hounds have all my personal info there is no reason to fear one of them will drag me to San Freako and defile me.
August 7, 2008, 11:17:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
They have all of your personal info?
August 7, 2008, 11:20:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
Thank you Johnny...I was beginning to feel unwelcome.
I was replying to Eric in my last post. Meaning all the left can do is post polls
August 7, 2008, 11:38:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
11:22 is a disgruntled newshound and a cowardly namejacker. I've probably embarrassed him in front of his lefty friends and that's his last recourse. A plea of desperation, as it were.
August 7, 2008, 11:39:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
You're right, sharm. Bungling bobo is jimmy jack the juggling clown. Good catch. She's venting in the name of nvh, I'm guessing. :?:
August 7, 2008, 11:41:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Bungling Bob
"jimmy jack the juggling clown."
 
I have no idea what you are meaning by this.
August 7, 2008, 11:50:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
OS,
 
I am really surprised that someone could steal a name in this forum. I would have thought that one's isp and email registration would prevent that.
 
Unless . . . that person had access to your registration at Newshounds. A nd Newshounds with malice and intent gave that information to someone so he/she could disrupt this site. That would constitute aggravated harassment on their part.
 
Perhaps Newshounds in digging a deeper hole for themselves than I thought.
August 7, 2008, 11:54:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Just ignore them, Bob. Tell us more about yourself. Where are you coming from? I'm talking geographically. Are you anywhere near Jacksonville?
August 7, 2008, 11:55:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


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Joe Blow
See how easy it is, danny? It's me, olby sucks.
August 8, 2008, 12:31:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
Johhny: Ellen is talking about you again http://liberalland.com/2008/07/09/how-should-a-true-liberal-regard-fox/#comment-24021
August 8, 2008, 1:55:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I checked out Vince's link. Check this quote from Ellen:
 
"As for J$, I could spend hours explaining all the reasons he was banned but for the sake of not derailing this thread any more, I’ll just say it was because he could not discuss and debate like a grown up and without being disruptive. "
 
What a load!!!!! I'd like to see a non-forged example of this. I'm sure it doesn't exist.
 
Then there's this little gem:
 
"Anyone who knows me knows that I bend over backwards to be fair to those who disagree with me and to give them a platform so long as they behave civilly and with respect."
 
I can't wait to hear J$ take on this.
 
I take great pleasure as a spectator seeing how much of a thorn J$ is in the side of the newshounds. Hee Hee!
August 8, 2008, 2:23:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
From the comment above Ellen's:
 
This could rank as the most noxious statement on so many levels in the fewest words ever uttered about Fox News.
 
"Liberals not going on FOX News is like not negotiating with terrorists."
 
Don't ya just love the thought process of the loony lefty lab rat like liberal lunatic?
August 8, 2008, 3:15:28 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
un fact: The one time Johnny $ actually did catch a News Hounds blogmaster going beyond the facts, the others acknowledged this and put the offending blogger on such a short leash that he quit. If anyone wants to know why he and all the other NH trolls who have been posting here were banned, we have a Neocon Wingnut Hall of Fame where you can see the offending posts in all their glory (Note: most of them didn’t result in banning, but were simply amusing or flat out insane).
by Sergei Andropov July 10, 2008 at 4:24 am 
+++++++++++++++++++++++
 
I was trying to find this post earlier, now I know why. Only once has Dollar found a Newspoodle telling a lie and the offending Newspoodle was put on a short leash and forced to quit.
 
Wait a minute. Didn't Deborah actually admit to going beyond the facts recently. Where is her short leash? When will she be forced to quit?
August 8, 2008, 3:23:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
I think Sergei was talking about nutcase Bill Corigan.
 
I just added more evidence to the Ellen-is-a-hyprocrite file on Colme's page.
August 8, 2008, 3:30:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
Ashley : you should see my latest comment there. you'll love it
August 8, 2008, 3:31:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Vince,
 
Is it OK for me to love it even though I am not Ashley? If it is, then yeah . . . I do love it.
August 8, 2008, 3:37:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Danny
Ellen only thought she was going to have the last word. 
August 8, 2008, 3:38:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
I have so much of the abuses i endured saved.
 
I was looking for lawyers to sue them but with work being busy i never had time
August 8, 2008, 3:51:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Hey Vince, how about a link to that Colmes page? Share the wealth!
August 8, 2008, 7:03:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Vince P
Here you go
 
http://liberalland.com/2008/07/09/how-should-a-true-liberal-regard-fox/#comment-24021
August 8, 2008, 7:12:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
11:46
 
Just like the borg, they are all part of the collective...
August 8, 2008, 9:25:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply