7/7/09 9:15 AM

Tuesday Cable News Links and Open Thread

Preview: GretaWire makeover. Tucker plans HuffPo alternative.

Friday's numbers: Beck #1 in demo!

Geraldo gets goosebumps.

Q&A: Howard Kurtz.

Geist gets AM gig.

Final four: Skinner v Shep. Hotline after dark.

Man bites dog? Soledad special: Latinos. Larry leans left.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.  Updated through the day.

Fox Fan
Jane Skinner is a total Fox, but she lacks the human side that Shep has. The first thing that comes to mind is when Shep kept talking about the Sopranos character Big Pussy and Skinner cringed every time Shep said the name and repeatedly told him not to say "that word". She seriously needs to unbunch those panties once in a while.
May 26, 2009, 7:20:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Miss Ellen has become a raving lunatic.
Between EMac's recent suggestion that foreclosed homes be demolished and Sullivan's complaint about how the First Time Tax Credit can be used, I see a pattern. Fox Pundits don't like the idea of home ownership. I do not understand why.
Is Fox Hostile To Home Ownership?
Reported by Ellen - May 25, 2009 - 9 comments
May 26, 2009, 8:25:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Let's see how many networks refer to Judge Sotomayor as the "FIRST" Hispanic nominee... versus the "SECOND," which she actually is.
Already Chuck Todd has his little "First Read" blog on MSNBC.com stating she's the "First."
The first was Justice Benjamin Cardozo... look it up.
May 26, 2009, 10:39:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply

The first was Justice Benjamin Cardozo... look it up.
ImNotBlue | 05.26.09 - 10:44 am | #  
But, but, but she is the first Hispanic WOMAN! That trumps everything.
May 26, 2009, 10:57:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I don't have to look Cardozo up.  
My husband has been yelling that at Chuck Todd and Chris Matthews all morning.
May 26, 2009, 11:15:04 AM EDT – Like – Reply

The first was Justice Benjamin Cardozo... look it up.
ImNotBlue | 05.26.09 - 10:44 am | #  
I did a little research on Cardozo. He was Jewish.
May 26, 2009, 11:43:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Cardozo was of Portuguese descent.
May 26, 2009, 11:58:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Cecelia is correct... Cardozo was Portuguese. And apparently (as someone over on MSNBC's site told me), that mean's he's not technically considered "Latino" or "Hispanic." I can't verify that... and think it's pretty stupid... but that's going to be the rational used to explain why she's the FIRST... not the SECOND.
Although, I still don't quite understand why that matters at all.
I believe Blackflon is right too... he was Jewish. And as this Jew knows, we may be a minority, but we're certainly not considered a minority. When going to college, or getting a job, being Jewish isn't something that helps at all... in fact, it often hurts.
Ah racism, anti-Semitism, and identity politics... alive and well in the US.
May 26, 2009, 12:15:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Unfortunately, anti-semitism is most certainly alive and well, Blue, but I don't think Jews are exactly under-represented in any profession that requires a goodly amount of the ole brain power.    
Identity politics just gets more and more ridiculous. Especially in this instance, when you remember all those ole Portuguese explorers of the New World, and consider where they went and the influence that they had there.
May 26, 2009, 1:01:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

How fortunate that F&F will have Carrie Prejean (guest host) on tommorow to give her unique perspective about the ruling today out of California.
FNC.....once again on top of things.
May 26, 2009, 2:38:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Cecelia you're correct. Because Jews have built a certain reputation, and are well represented in management and leadership positions... their minority status isn't considered.
However, they are a minority, and thusly could receive the same "benefits" other minority groups receive. Isn't assuming one group of people is "fine," racism too? Isn't assuming an Asian is good at math, still racism?
But perhaps I've wandered off topic a bit...
May 26, 2009, 3:11:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Blue, I suppose assuming Asians are generally highly intelligent in the way they have brunette hair IS "racism".  
However, just like skin and hair pigment, intelligence does have a genetic component.  
In my mind, I generally attribute non-physical attributes to particular ethnic groups due to the cultural mores within that particular group.
Both Jews and Asians have traditionally (GENERALLY) placed an emphasis on intellectualism in the way that Bible-belt southerners such as my kith and kin, have not...
There's a whole field of research on genetic switches (for want of a better word) that may give some light as to how environment does effect genetics.
The theory is that environment effects thinking and thinking effects our biology to the point that certain switches are flipped on or off within our DNA -- a switch for things intellectual for example...or one for hot temperedness.  
These genes are then passed on to progeny, etc.
It's an interesting subject as long a we don't take it so seriously that we forget about individuality.
May 26, 2009, 3:58:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I concur... the whole nature vs. nurture thing.
And exactly as you were saying, I believe that a lot of the current affirmative action laws are based upon out dated notions over who historically "needs help," versus who presently "needs help."
That's why I believe Ms. Sotomayer's nomination could be particularly dangerous. If she believes that certain groups of people need more "help" than others (ie: are more valuable, and thusly get special treatment), then how can we expect her to believe anything different in the future? Things are pretty good now, and continue to become more and more equal, yet people like Ms. Sotomayer are still fighting battles which have already been won... and I worry that despite evidence to the contrary, she will continue to do as such for the length of her term. This will produce heavy imbalance of value and power, and instead of stopping the pendulum in the middle, will continue to force it in the opposite direction.
I believe the only way we are going to BECOME a society which judges everyone equally upon their own merit… is by actually BEING a society which judges people on their merit.
May 26, 2009, 4:38:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I told you so.
Any discussion of race on Fox is now racist per the Chief Hen.
Fox News Plays The Race Card Against Sotomayor And Obama
Reported by Ellen - May 26, 2009 - 14 comments  
Their ignorance never ceases to amaze.
May 26, 2009, 5:42:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
But INB, isn't it a fact that Latino women reach better conclusions than white men based on the "richness of their experiences"?
A presumably highly intelligent person said that once.
May 26, 2009, 6:34:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Who presumed that?!
May 26, 2009, 10:46:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
johnny dol1ar Says:  
Frank Luntz dissected
F-U Frank Luntz.
Isn't patsy so cute when he's namejacking?
May 26, 2009, 10:58:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
INB, if you watched any program on FNC last night you'd know.  
OS, who is patsy in that link?
May 27, 2009, 7:14:34 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
patsy=AAP among hundreds of other names...
May 27, 2009, 12:12:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply