3/9/10 12:24 AM

Fox Haters Week in Review

Hypocrisy, lies, and J$P secrets made public for the first time. All this and more in another thrill-packed installment of Fox Haters Week in Review!

Nothing on FNC escapes the notice of those sharp-eyed lotion-lovers at Media Matters. They expose the hateful bias and misinformation no matter where it leads. For example: Carl Cameron joked that the US should ship some snow to Vancouver. MM's sourpuss reaction: Put up a post about it! Fox interviewed a candidate and allowed him to plug his website (something that never happens anywhere else). Put up a post about it! Steeve Doocy made a quip about Sarah Palin's hand, Dennis Miller joked about Marc Lamont Hill's tie--each crack dutifully "exposed" by Media Matters. And just let Greg Gutfeld make a passing mention of MM: another post!

David Brock's outrage machine was cranked up to 11 when they attacked Fox News for using the "loaded" term "illegals":

Fox News frequently refers to "illegals" in TV reports, on websites
Now this reminds us of how Media Matters made a big deal about FNC not carrying the Haiti telethon, but gave Headline News a total pass. So what about all those other news channels and websites that use the "loaded" term "illegals? To wit:
  • CNN: Illegals for hire
  • CNN: Amnesty for illegals?
  • CNN: Joe Johns: the public is divided over letting illegals come back to the U.S
  • CNN: Bob Franken: legislation that would allow many illegals to seek citizenship
  • MSNBC: Illegals and business
  • MSNBC: Drivers Licenses for illegals
  • MSNBC: Mike Barnicle: How complex is this issue in terms of identifying illegals
  • MSNBC: Joe Scarborough: seal the border and deport illegals
  • MSNBC: Pat Buchanan: Nobody knows how many illegals...
  • MSNBC: Chris Matthews: ...get the illegals out of the country.
  • NBC: Tom Brokaw: you’ve got some illegals on your payroll
  • HuffPo: Clinton opposes licenses for illegals
  • HuffPo: The rich legacy of illegals
  • HuffPo: Romney fires landscaper over illegals
  • NY Times: 38 illegals detained
  • Washington Post: Tuition break sought for some illegals
  • LA Times: Police sweep for illegals
Seems like this "loaded" term is pretty widespread, so we'll wait for Media Matters to single out some of these guys like they did FNC.

Around the Interwebs:
Capitol Hill Blue bills itself as a "non-partisan, take-no-prisoners political news site". But they really need to work on their fact-checking:
Sarah Palin had "crib notes" written on her hand during an interview with Fox News that included questions scripted and pre-approved in advance.
Um, no, there were no "crib notes" used in Chris Wallace's interview with Palin; nor were the questions pre-approved. You'd think the two videos posted with the article that clearly show this stuff happening at the tea party convention, not during the Q&A with Fox News, might have been a clue.

Even more humiliating is this gem from something called Reconstitution 2.0, who are all a-twitter because in an interview with Glenn Beck a candidate revealed herself as a 9/11 truther:
It bothers me because a supposed “news” organization clearly decided to act as a surrogate of the two “establishment” Rushpubliscums....The way that lying psychopath Beck boxed Medina in should leave no doubt in anyone’s mind anymore. FOX “News” is a propaganda arm of the Rushpubliscum Party.
Yeah, how dare Fox News ask a candidate for public office if they subscribe to a theory so fringy it would embarrass Dr Walter Bishop? But wait...it wasn't Fox News at all. It was Glenn Beck on his radio show. Oops.

Over at the loony bin, aka oreillysucks.com, hardly a week goes by where the inmates running that asylum don't spout some preposterous lie about Bill O'Reilly. Sure enough, they delivered again:
O'Reilly is a hypocrite, because he never reports on the Mark Sanford affair, because he is a Republican, but he sure reports on the Edwards garbage because he is a Democrat.
Ahem:Sucksters, it's time to replace your meds with truth serum.

And a word of thanks to those websites (TV Newser, Newsbusters, and others) who used our Chris Wallace/Megyn Kelly video and credited J$P with a link. And to those sites who used our video without an accrediting link (we're looking at you, HuffPo): stay classy!

Old Hounds, Old Tricks:
There is no consistency as consistent as the shopworn bag of tricks that are coin of the realm at the newshounds. We know they attack FNC programs without watching them, and it's really just one small step from that to slamming Fox for things that haven't even happened yet. So it is that Ellen Brodsky proclaimed that Chris Wallace is "sure to be a lapdog for Sarah Palin" when he interviews her. And the kennel-dwellers lapped it up:
  • It's sure to be a very scripted, taped interview
  • I'm sure they'll give her the questions in advance so her team can rehearse her on what to say, then we can all look forward to another taped in advance interview where they'll have plenty of time to edit out the gaffs.
  • Will he ask the one question on many peoples' minds (those who have one): "You asked for the the resignation of Rahm Emanuel for his use of the r-word. Will you make a similar request of Rush Limbaugh for his repeated use?"
  • Will Wallace ask her about the growing scandal regarding her hubby's involvement in the Alaska governor's office?
For the record, Wallace did ask those questions. In fact, Time headlined Wallace "grilling" Palin, while others praised how he "exposed" her views and delivered a "smack-down". Somehow that doesn't seem to track with the "lapdog interview" Brodsky predicted, but she has conveniently avoided posting an article analyzing the interview that actually took place. Apparently the one in her head takes precedence.

We should probably count ourselves lucky that Brodsky didn't fall back on another time-honored hound tactic: burying their mistakes. When newspup Julie completely misread the plain data on some poll results and based another Fox attack (Dec 18 2009) on her own ignorance, even the kennel-dwellers saw through it:
  • Are you serious? Where does one get the notion that favorable ratings for various groups have to add up to 100%?
  • The numbers don't add up to 100% because they're not mutually exclusive.
  • Julie, you need to read the actual NBC/WSJ poll results before writing an editorial. Fox reported the results accurately.
Rather than admit an embarrassing error, Driscoll and Brodsky came up with a better idea. They made the old post disappear, and then put up a "correction":
A prior post about Fox's reporting on the WSJ/NBC poll was incorrect and has been withdrawn.
What was incorrect? Where was the mistake? Slyly, Ellen doesn't say. And with the original post "withdrawn" within hours of its being published, their secret is safe. Oh, and just to make sure this whole humiliating screw-up stayed dead and buried, just 48 hours later the "correction" disappeared as well! Gone from the front page and gone from the site archives, as if none of it ever happened. There is literally no way to get to either the original post or the "correction" from any link on the newspoodle site, but you can still find both if you know the secret URLs.

It is touching that Brodsky went through all this trouble just to protect Julie Driscoll from herself, especially given how Driscoll's suspected plagiarism has damaged the reputation of the mongrels. Perhaps Ellen felt Julie owed her a favor, so rather than facing up to her own misbegotten predictions of the Wallace/Palin interview, Ellen declined and Julie ended up with the task. Driscoll obliged by making no mention whatsoever of Ellen's brainless prognostications. Instead, Julie just decided to make stuff up out of thin air:
I'm going to assume for the record that the questions were given to Palin in advance, and she had a little time to study them.
Say what? Where'd that come from? When has Fox News Sunday, or any other Sunday show, ever given their guests the questions ahead of time? Here's a challenge to Julie Driscoll: prove it. Do you have any source for this other than your diseased imagination? Our comments are open for you to back that up with facts...but please, your own words this time.

In other news, Ellen posts that she just learned of Jennifer Griffin's struggle with cancer (three months after it was first reported). We applaud Brodsky for her well wishes toward Ms Griffin, but one line in her post was particularly striking:
I, along with several of the other News Hounds have long thought that Jennifer Griffin was one of the best reporters on Fox News, if not the best reporter.
It would have been nice if she had said that before now. We searched the hound website but couldn't find Ellen or any of the newspooches having made that statement in the past. However, we did find these: Meanwhile the biased bassets continue to focus on the "violence" found in comments at the Fox Nation. We agree that such language is inappropriate, and we don't permit it here. But keep in mind that the tail-waggers pre-approve every comment before it appears. Given that, you have to wonder about the level of hound hypocrisy that finds remarks like this one (h/t to emailer "Haggis" for spotting it) worthy of publication, and cheered on by others:


Behind the Curtain:
Warning: Ugly Language! This is a good time to bring you a little J$P behind-the-scenes. It began with this, a comment that we received but did not publish:
  • I will tell the Kennel to come over and have some fun.
What followed was a Niagara of vulgar and obscene comments: hundreds of them. Some were just endless repetitions of the f-word or the c-word. Others were in the form of septic attacks on anyone and anything, often revealing strong streaks of racism and homophobia. The comments below, made public for the first time, represent a tiny sample of what "the kennel" dumped here. We have deleted expletives but have left some decipherable so that the reader will truly understand the nature of hatred:
  • Get a life f@g.
  • [expletive deleted] THOSE N@@@@@S RIGHT
  • Your hero is Boy George and Lady Gaga, a f@g and someone who makes us all gag.
  • God you are such an idiot, liar and obtuse [expletives deleted].
  • like who the hell care you were at the sex change clinic f@g boy.
  • Shut up retrard [sic].
  • you are an idiot, a moron, and just a plain [expletive deleted].
  • Lets go butt [expletive deleted] some indonesian children.
  • And is it just me or are you looking like a bigger f@ggot everyday.
  • Stick your [expletive deleted] in and [expletive deleted]
  • This pathetic blog only has 30 comments and two of them are from me, ripping on you f@gs
  • [expletive deleted], Maklin is an ignorant Conservative c@@@.
  • Shut up f@ggot.

Note: an update to this post is here.

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I.M. Right
J$ - thanks for another great FHWiR.  Those comments that you had to delete are all obviously written by idiots.  Based on the level of vileness and inability to spell, apparently Patrick is behind a few of them.
February 14, 2010, 6:31:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Interesting bit on the 'disappeared' piece by Julie at News Clowns.
 
I'll never forget Ellen and company deleting an exchange that Grammie had with someone over at News Hounds and then demanding that Grammie produce the comments after Grammie later referred back to them.
 
They aren't wrapped real tight, those ladies...
 
If FNC had a lost and found pet segment, MM would put up the headline Fox News takes the Kitty.
 
Thanks for another hilarious FHWIR, Johnny!
February 14, 2010, 7:42:21 PM EST – Like – Reply


badbilly
Nice work Johnny, I missed the FHWR last weekend.
February 14, 2010, 7:43:34 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
Thanks for the kind comments. I missed it last week too though I didn't miss all the hours that went into it!   
February 14, 2010, 7:54:39 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
"retrard"?? thats a new one
 
Super Bowl was on last Sunday. it was no surprise to me it wasn't here
February 14, 2010, 7:58:12 PM EST – Like – Reply


JeffE
Hi Johnny:
 
Another excellent FHWIR.
February 14, 2010, 8:23:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Johnny-Five
Thanks for another great read J$. FHWIR is my favorite feature each week and this was a great one. I found it interesting that you gave a hat tip to "Haggis" for contributing the comment from the hound's site. Today's railing by the Hounds against Fox Nation Commentors regarding former Prez Clinton gave a hat tip to a "Haggis Farmer". Your Haggis appears to be a busy bee. Anyway, superior job. You never fail to put a smile on my face.
February 14, 2010, 8:53:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
It's another victory for J$P! Ellen Brodsky has just put up an entire post attempting to "rebut" the latest FHWiR. Some highlights:  
 
She defends making Julie's fatuous post disappear, but completely skips over how she made her correction disappear as well. Heh. She also says there's no point in leaving the original there since it was wrong. That's odd, because it seems to be a sudden reversal by the newsliars. Their prior position:  
 
"FOX should have left the original and published the follow-up rather than scrubbing the earlier one."  
 
She adds that there's no point in explaining what on the blog was incorrect. And this seems to be ANOTHER reversal of newspooch policy, since before this they attacked Fox for not following this policy:  
 
"In these New York Times corrections, the newspaper states directly which information was incorrect and what the correction inforrmation is."  
 
It's so hard to keep your stories straight when you are changing them at will.  
 
Further, Brodsky claims I said her good wishes for Jennifer Griffin were a lie. Of course I said no such thing. So she's lying about lying. Confusing, but that's the kind of tail-chasing mutts do. She also tries to parse the Jennifer Griffin mentions we listed to somehow discredit them. Like, oh we didn't say Griffin was the epitome of a spoiled brat, we said Griffin's report was the epitome of a spoiled brat. Good, glad you cleared that big difference up, Brodsky. How a "report" could be a "spoiled brat" kind of escapes me, though. Isn't a "spoiled brat" a person? I mean, it would be possible to say Ellen's article is a "sleazy liar". But we know it's not the article that's a liar, don't we?  
 
There's more. Read it if you will, but we'll probably be coming back to it next week to dissect all the lies in detail. For now we'll just bask in the glow of another victory.
February 15, 2010, 1:21:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
My goodness! You can bask in the caliber of rebuttal offered up against you too, Johnny.
 
Even I would have guessed that Ellen could do better than THAT.
 
sheesh!
February 15, 2010, 6:57:12 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I saw Ellen's reply this morning. I do believe she protetsts to much. Reminds me of the politicians who are always correcting themsleves by saying "What I meant to say was...."
 
She got caught with her foot in her mouth and decides to attack Dollar for daring to call her out.  
 
Poor babies.
February 15, 2010, 8:04:35 AM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
just read it. :yawn:
February 15, 2010, 9:14:02 AM EST – Like – Reply


Danny
Himm This time Count Istvan claimes that you Johnny Dollar are not to be trusted because you associate with known pedophiles.  I wonder if that comment is actionable in a court of law.
February 15, 2010, 3:07:01 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I've been called a lot of obscene names by people at News Hounds and have been characterized pornographically in other ways as well, but pedophile has got to be the most insulting epithet yet.
 
Is there ANY inflammatory rhetoric that these people would regard as being beneath them to lob at someone?
February 15, 2010, 7:03:59 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Cecelia, Ellen's dog washers are no better than those people at Fox Nation whom they accuse of making similar comments.
February 15, 2010, 8:07:04 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Blackflon, if the comments at Fox Nation are as bad as the sexist, obscene, racist, and homophobic comments that have passed through News Hounds moderation (and in one case come via the keyboard of one of  their mods), then FNC SHOULD be held accountable.
February 15, 2010, 9:07:31 AM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I agree Cecelia. But News Hounds shouldn't be calling the Fox Nation Kettle black while they allow similar posts on their own site.
February 15, 2010, 1:37:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
They are calling us pedophiles?  If they are doing that, it just proves that they cannot win in the arena of ideas, all they can do is slur and defame.  Idiots.
February 15, 2010, 9:59:06 AM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
IM, name-calling and playground insults are their stock-in-trade. Calling people 'pedophiles' is just another example. Note how that exactly the same tactic--personal attacks and name calling--that was used by the hundreds of comments dumped here by 'the kennel'. If we didn't know who they were (and we do), having people start it up again right from the newshounds site itself is like signing their name to it.
February 15, 2010, 10:05:05 AM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
This installment had me LOLing over my cereal. Interesting that Pegleg Piggy wants to see a chalk board shoved up Beck's nethers. People and their fetishes...
February 15, 2010, 7:11:58 AM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
FF, I thought you had apologized for using that term for Peggy.  
 
It's most definitely not my personality type to be hall monitor, but Johnny had said it was "too gross" for his site.
 
I can't complain about being called all sorts of things AND a pedophile...while letting you go unchecked in the use of a smutty implication about another female.
February 15, 2010, 9:11:10 AM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
Cece, FF's term has been moderated out and he has been admonished. My apologies and I will update the filter lexicon to insure it doesn't happen again.
February 15, 2010, 10:47:51 AM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
you musta really hit a neve. She posted that on the main page. Not the thread in the forum-the usual place that she tries to "debunk" your articles
February 15, 2010, 9:18:08 AM EST – Like – Reply


Haggis
"h/t to emailer "Haggis" for spotting it"
 
I'd just like to clear up any confusion.
The Haggis that is mentioned in this post is NOT me.
Apparently the emailer specified that he wanted this name used...I wonder why. I have my suspicions as to who it is...but can't prove it.
February 15, 2010, 10:45:09 AM EST – Like – Reply


Danny
Although I am probably not the one to do this, I would like to respond to some of the News Hound comments.  A poster calling herself Newhounds (who says she is a moderator for that site) alleges that Tony (supposedly a prominent poster here) led posters from this site to deluge News Hounds with some very bad posts that had to be deleted.  I have no idea who tony is.  But do know this:  Ellen Brodsky did tell her followers that they when they come to this site, they cannot be too rude.  I copied and posted that comment on this site some time ago.  Since that time, there have been posters coming to this site who have been incredibly rude and even vulgar.  John t is just one of them.  I challenge the News Hound moderators (or whomever) to copy and paste a comment by Johnny Dollar telling people to go to the Hounds site and that the sky's the limit for how rude they should be.  Once again they demonstrate by their comments that their lying and hypocrisy has no limit . . . as well as their rudeness and incivility.
February 15, 2010, 11:50:27 AM EST – Like – Reply


Real Fox Viewer
More worthless J$ spew !!
February 15, 2010, 12:44:36 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
A post worthy of examination.  Let's look at its characteristics:
 
1) stupid on its face.
2) provides no specifics.
3) nothing but venomous.
4) a regular "hater" posting with yet another new name.
 
Obviously another post from the idiot li'l feller.
February 15, 2010, 1:33:30 PM EST – Like – Reply

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Danny II
From NH:  
 
 
 
 
"But wait, there's more! I didn't scroll down the J$ page far enough. Koldys/Dollar also attacks us for criticizing Fox Nation's comments - a regular diet of death threats, racism and homophobia - because he found one inappropriate comment on our site. It was neither a death threat, racist nor homophobic. It did, however, speak positively about a certain piece of equipment being shoved up a certain part of Glenn Beck's anatomy. I think that comment should not have gotten through and I have deleted it. But there is simply no comparison, except in Koldys'/Dollar's fantasy world, between one out-of-line comment that got past our volunteer moderators and the mountain of death wishes and bigotry that has either been approved or ignored by the moderators of a site owned by one of the largest media conglomerates in the world."  
 
 
Enough said about your idiotic NON-story.
February 15, 2010, 12:50:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
Good lord, another name change so soon?  What, "real fox viewer" not good enough for you?
February 15, 2010, 1:45:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Obviously this is someone who has never been accused of wearing kneepads and being a "comfort girl" (by one of the main bloggers) at News Hounds.
February 15, 2010, 2:35:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Danny
Well I see the folks from NH took up my name sort of (Danny II) but they ducked my challenge.  I have placed here some truly damning comments from the queen dog; that being, Ellen's telling her followers that when they post that they cannot be too rude. IN other words the sky is the limit for rudeness when their groupies choose to comment here.  I challenged them to post a similar comment from Dollar.  The fact that from NH has refused my challenge speaks volumes.  Another thing that speaks volumes is this: If Johnny were to post on the NH site . . . and it wouldn't matter if he was not rude or uncivil . . . his post would be summarily deleted.  The same would happen if I tried to post there.  But under the same conditions if Ellen (or from NH) posts here it is not deleted.  This once again demonstrates what sniveling, whiny cowards the she-hounds of the hideous pound really are. They cannot debate civily.  They can only lie and throw juvenile aspersions.  Newshounds is one of the most truly disgusting sites that can be found on the internet.
February 15, 2010, 3:16:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Blackflon
Ellen lies. Again.
 
Fox News Joins GOP Effort To Have Brennan FiredReported by Ellen - February 11, 2010 - Comments (7)  I read the Media Matters postings that Ellen mentioned and there was only one reference to the firing of Brennan by a Fox News person and that was simply in the form of a question.So, yes, Ellen is a liar by saying Fox News joins teh effort to have Brennan fired. It's one big lie. Straight up.
February 15, 2010, 1:40:27 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
Ailes is a political operative(can you say willie horton?), the top 3 repug prez candidates are on the payroll, and santorum, rove, and bolton are all "analysts". If you think that Fox is anything more than a political propaganda outlet you are either not paying attention or youare stupid. I'm going to assume the lattter.
from the mindless conservative twits in the morning, to the mindless conservative lunatic in the evening, to the angry conservative pricks at prime time, to Palin's BFF Greta Von Frankenjaw at 10. Political. Propaganda. Network.
February 15, 2010, 1:51:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
Ailes is a political operative(can you say willie horton?),  
 
Hey Brainiac, are you now feebly attempting to tell us that Ailes worked for Al Gore?  Before Bush 41 used commercials about Horton against Dukakis, Al Gore used commercials about Horton against Dukakis.  The difference between Bush 41 and Gore commercials was that Gore's used a photo of Horton.  Bush 41 never did use a photo of Horton.
February 15, 2010, 4:25:33 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I'm sick of hearing about this Willie Horton.  I wish we were talking about the former Detroit Tiger.
February 16, 2010, 1:06:50 AM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
Are there even any journalists at foxganda? is Major garret the only one, cause that's who they always use as a sheild when faced with the observation that they r not a news network. it seems to be nothing but talk radio hosts and washed up conservative politico's.
(can't wait till the next time they trot out traitor Ollie North to fearmonger about Iran, you know, our enemy that he sold weapons to, or ask Mark Fuhrman about race relations....laughable). Fox is so retarded it could be Glenn Beck's or Sarah Palin's kid.
February 15, 2010, 1:57:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Oh, now...we know you're really a lovely person underneath that attempt to shock us into outrage.  Let the real you out... be all that you can be...make lemonaide out of lemons...and Pink Ladys out of gin...something or another....
February 15, 2010, 2:42:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
I see the trolls are out today
February 15, 2010, 2:57:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
Elementary schools are closed today due to President's Day.
February 15, 2010, 4:26:15 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
that explains it!!
February 15, 2010, 5:10:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I'd just like to clear up any confusion.  
The Haggis that is mentioned in this post is NOT me.
 
Perfectly clear.   
February 15, 2010, 4:18:07 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
I.M. Right- you arre wrong.  
 
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Willie_Horton#Horton_in_the_1988_presidential_campaign  
 
Horton in the 1988 presidential campaign  
 
The first person to mention the Massachusetts furlough program in the 1988 presidential campaign was Al Gore. During a debate at the Felt Forum sponsored by the New York Daily News, Gore took issue with the furlough program. However, he did not specifically mention the Horton incident or even mention Horton's name, instead asking a general question about the Massachusetts furlough program.[6]  
Republicans picked up the Horton issue after Dukakis clinched the nomination. In June 1988, Republican candidate George H.W. Bush seized on the Horton case, bringing it up repeatedly in campaign speeches.[6] Bush's campaign manager, Lee Atwater, predicted that "by the time this election is over, Willie Horton will be a household name."[6][7] Media consultant Roger Ailes remarked "the only question is whether we depict Willie Horton with a knife in his hand or without it."[8]  
Maybe you can try reading before you post.
February 15, 2010, 5:03:47 PM EST – Like – Reply


I.M. Right
Ailes "IS" a political operative?????  From 22 years ago, your own info says he was a media consultant.  But that's not the present and running FNC does not make him a political consultant.  Yoy may wish it was or hope it to be, but you would be wrong.  Regarding the commercials, if your site is accurate, I stand corrected about Al Gore running a commercial.
February 15, 2010, 6:23:29 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
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February 15, 2010, 5:20:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
he advised W. less than 20 years ago  he was a student of Atwater. r u just being willfully ignorant? he was always a GOP consultant. even while he was Pres. of Fox he was advising W's campaign. Can u say conflict of interest? I mean do u really think that Fox is a neutral news source? You can't be that ignorant can you? I'm pretty sure if David Axelrod started a "news" channel in 20 years you would screaming liberal bias till your vocal chords bled, even before the channel launched, so kiss my ass. until  any other news org hires 3 presidential candidates from the same party to "analyze" anything, your argument is flawed. Foxnews is a GOP organ. With the exception of O'Reilly and Ailes, THEY do not even dispute that.  
Come on. Had you actually read the entire entry via the link, you would have known that Ailes' political ties are recent, not 2o years old. READ! It's good for you!  
 
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February 15, 2010, 6:49:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


 johnny dollar
"even while he was Pres. of Fox he was advising W's campaign. Can u say conflict of interest?"
 
This is news to me, but it could be true. What is your source?
February 15, 2010, 6:56:40 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
That was an error. I misread. But he wasb a consultant untill 98. Hardly "22" years ago.   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Ailes
February 15, 2010, 7:19:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Chris
I think you meant 88-there is nothing about him consulting until 1998
February 15, 2010, 7:49:53 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
I think you misread even more than you think you did.
 
His Presidential media consulting ended with the victorious end of GHW Bush' first campaign, which was in 1988 or 22 years ago.
 
He never consulted with or for GWB
 
And your point is?  Tweety was Chief of Staff to Tip O'Neil and Stephanopolis worked with Clinton's campaign and was a senior White House advisor to Clinton.  Talented people with connections are very likely to excell in more than one venue.
February 15, 2010, 7:58:05 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
I mean really, the man worked for Nixon. Nuff said.
February 15, 2010, 7:20:59 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
A) Stephanopolous and Mathews don't run a "News" Network.
B) you are assuming that I don't also have a problem with them and their current and past positions. Journalism shouldn't be a fall back career for washed up political flacks. That's the problem with the MSM in the first place. Fox is just the most egrigious and consistently erroneous example. Bottom line is that Ailes runs a political operation. all u have to do is watch fox 4 5min to know that. they're not sly about it, they're quite open about it.  How many Liberals or even conservative dems have shows on fox? None.
February 15, 2010, 8:36:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
So, let me see if I understand you.
 
All cable and network news should be balanced between liberal Dems and conservative Repubs both within their unique entity and compared to each other?
 
So when a CNN panel consists of Paul Begalia, Donna Brazille, James Carville and Dana Milbank you agitate against that on a liberal blog?
 
You're equally upset with a lineup at MSNBC that starts with Ed Schlutz, the aforementioned Mathews, Keith Olbermann and then Rachel Maddow b/c they range from really radical far left to just very left?
 
OK, consider your strong objections raised to yhem all!
February 15, 2010, 8:52:09 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
P.S. Like I said, he worked 4 Nixon and Atwater, 2 of the biggest scumbags in history.
February 15, 2010, 8:39:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
I don't share your extreme opinion of either man. 
 
Watergate was an act of supreme stupidity follwed by an even more stupid reaction.  At least Nixon was never involved in the rampant financial corruption that ocurrs in virtually every admin. My biggest objection to Nixon was his foolish wage and price controls and not playing hardball at the end with the North Vietnamese. 
 
As for Atwater, he was a brilliant political tactician and no sleazier than any other big time political tactician.  Surely you don't believe that Dems are holy and pure in all their dealings and its just those Repubs who don't play nice. 
 
And yes I am well aware of Willie Horton and that did not defeat Dukakkis alone.  His bright idea to pose in that tank might have actually sunk him single handedly.  Willie Horton was just the grab you political move that spoke volumes about Dukakkis and his political philosophy.
February 15, 2010, 9:05:08 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
For someone who used a Downs Syndrome child as an analogy of someone being stupid...you sure are judgmental...
February 16, 2010, 11:07:07 AM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
sure.  Btw, When Fox gives a 3 hour , 5day a week time sslot to a former liberal Dem congressman the way Msnbc gives Scarborough
a show, call me. As 4 CNN, You forgot, Matalin, Castellanos, Bennet, Rollins, Holmes, Hewitt, Carpenter, that idiot that advised Romney, etsc., etc. I'll give you a nickel if you can find video with all 4 of those panelists and no conservatives. You won't be able
to.
February 15, 2010, 9:15:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Grammie already mentioned Chris Matthews is a former Tip O'Neil staffer AND the co-host (along with Keith Olbermann) of ALL MSNBC's political coverage. 
 
Joe Scarborough certainly doesn't hold that title and besides his "balance" sits right beside him in the  person of Mika Brenzhinsky. 
 
George Stanopolis has three hours on ABC. Former Mario Cuomo staffer, the late Tim Russert, was NBC News Chief. 
 
If you to compare the number of high powered conservatives in the media to that of the plethora of former Democratic staffers who have gone on to make it big in the news media, know that you will lose.
February 15, 2010, 9:34:24 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
I'm very conservative and I promise that neither Scarborough OR Buchanan are conservatives, although Scarborough probably is right of center.  Chrissy gets two hours a day in primetime and potentially, therefore, has the opportunity to reach a lot more people. 
 
As for your challenge if I had the desire to do that kind of research I could only hope some loving friend would take me in and save me from myself. 
 
However, as for my general impression CNN seems to me to frequently have a 3 or 4 to 1 Lib to Conserv on panels. 
 
As for MSNBC, they have just recently had twice I think Olby, Tweety and Maddow as the only panelists for hours of political coverage.  Last year and year before they frequently had Tweety and Olby hosting alone for big political events. 
 
I personally think of the 3 cable news networks MSNBC is by far the most biased, and not to the right I'm sure you will agree.  I don't think any daytime news program on Fox has any host as biased as Shuster and in their prime primetime hour (Olby) not only is he a rabid raging far lefty he does not counter balance with any guests who don't talk his talk and walk his walk. 
 
Compare him to BOR.  Just last week I can remember Susan Estretch, Gavin Newsome, Dr Marc Lamont Hill, a left wing radio host on his show. 
 
Sorry, I just don't agree that ONLY FNC shows any bias and that other cable news outlets do show just as much, if not more, bias to the left.  Add in the fact that there are two left cable news networks to Fox's one right biased network and I'd say you are on very weak ground.
February 15, 2010, 9:47:03 PM EST – Like – Reply


jeffrey v
I respect your opinion of those men, but it IS the minority opinion.
Nixon used the IRS to persecute his political foes. He used the FBI to stiffle dissent. He lied like cats sleep, ALL THE TIME. These are facts, not opinions.
February 15, 2010, 9:25:18 PM EST – Like – Reply


Grammie
Jeffrey, we could go back and forth tit for tat comparing various political figures and Admins from both major parties from now to the end of time. 
 
Clinton's Travelgate, using the FBI to illegally investigate career WH employees so that they could employ friends and relatives in the WH Travel Office. 
 
Craig Livingston who no one ever hired who illegally had hundreds of raw background files only of Repubs. 
 
BHO and his turn in your neigbor web site (sorry can't remember the name). 
 
I'm quite ready to stipulate that most politicians of any and all parties are venal, corrupt and use their power improperly.  I know the mantra was that the Repubs were the Culture of Corruption but have you paid any attention to the miasma bubbling out of the current Dem swamp?
February 15, 2010, 9:59:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


foxwatcher
hey, I agree, but drop the picture of that basset hound.  it's kinda sad.
February 16, 2010, 10:42:29 AM EST – Like – Reply


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February 16, 2010, 11:51:04 AM EST – Like – Reply