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Weekend Links & Open Thread

Here is your place to discuss developments and offer your comments on Fox and other cable news stations. The standard rules apply; this is not a stream of consciousness smorgasboard so don't try to turn it into a political forum. Cable news, please.

Consider this an experiment. We'll see how it goes, and whether there is sufficient interest in making this a regular feature. That said, have at it.

UPDATES:

Bill Hemmer will anchor a one-hour YouDecide '08 special Sunday night at 10:00 pm Eastern. Reportedly Frank Luntz's focus groups will play a role.

A guest writer for the WCF Courier shoots a few arrows at Fox, and Fox Business in particular. Rather than citing any programming examples she instead uses this quote from Cavuto:

"None of this economist 'on the one hand and on the other hand' stuff," he says. That is, Fox Business News will not welcome discussion, debate, or controversy, and apparently will foster a simplistic view of a very complex reality. Ummm, what a surprise?
What Cavuto actually said:
The channel's managing editor, Neil Cavuto, says it is important to create clear and concise business messages to cater to a broader audience. "If you can't explain the stock or an investment principle in under a sentence to me, chances are you're not serving the audience," he said. "None of this economist 'on the one hand and on the other hand' stuff."

Jennifer Griffin emails from the flight deck of a C-130.




johnny dollar
News Watch airing tonight with Jon Scott hosting. We probably won't see Eric Burns on the show again.
February 16, 2008, 6:38:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
I'm very frustrated that after four months, Cablevision still has not added Fox Business Network to their lineup.
I originally had a few additional long paragraphs elaborating on my frustration, but I decided not to post them because I said more about Cablevision than FBN itself.
February 16, 2008, 6:57:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damian G.
Interesting: There were two conservatives (Thomas and Lowry), a liberal (Hall) and a non-partisan (newcomer Patricia Murphy of CitizenJanePolitics.com).
 
Usually they have a perfect or near-perfect balance (such as when Jim Pinkerton was on the panel - he was a squishy moderate conservative).
 
I wonder if Bill O'Reilly had anything to do with this situation? He had it out for Gabler, and he was frustrated with the way Eric Burns handled some incendiary comments of his in one episode.
 
Just a thought. I'm not trying to conspiracy-monger.
February 16, 2008, 6:59:28 PM EST – Like – Reply


Damian G.
Mike Chimeri | Homepage | 02.16.08 - 7:02 pm | 
 
I know! I called them months ago and requested it. I think we should also lobby for Sky News. We only get Euronews and the BBC, which are both Lefty outfits (note that Sky isn't Right-wing at all - it's just the only decent English European news service).
February 16, 2008, 7:01:38 PM EST – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
I'm in no rush to request Sky News, but it's a good suggestion. The only channels I'd like to see added are all of the Discovery Networks' HD channels (Discovery, Animal Planet, TLC), The Weather Channel HD, Boomerang, NFL Network, ESPNU, CSTV, and FBN.
I didn't want to go too far off topic, but I guess I did here.
February 16, 2008, 7:37:55 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
FNW was decent tonight, but I was disappointed in their celebrity and swimsuit coverage. There was some coverage of media bias but that's supposed to be the primary focus of the show- not pop/soft news.
 
Ironically, I was hoping that those thumbnails were links to high resolution pictures. C'mon johnny, make it happen!
February 16, 2008, 10:44:06 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I was disappointed in their celebrity and swimsuit coverage.
 
?????????
February 16, 2008, 10:51:43 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
The HGH trial and the SI swimsuit stories...
 
I just watched it from my DVR.
February 16, 2008, 11:01:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Now how about those full-res's?
February 16, 2008, 11:04:50 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Oh yeah I forgot about the swimsuit thing, since it was just tacked on at the end. I think the HGH hearings were an appropriate subject matter, since the point was the dubious nature of the inquiries in the first place and how that got little notice during the coverage (although to his credit Shep Smith certainly hit on that point).
February 16, 2008, 11:06:00 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'd like to see Sky News too, it would be a great alternative to BBC as an offshore news network. My Comcast started airing FBN a couple of months ago, it's a great channel!
February 16, 2008, 11:14:23 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I'd like to see a few hours of Sky News instead of the overnight reruns on FNC. Maybe 3:00 am to 5:00 or 6:00 am.
February 16, 2008, 11:37:54 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I just sleep during those periods...
 
You must be a Fox News watching machine!!!
February 16, 2008, 11:49:45 PM EST – Like – Reply


Missy
Did anyone see Fox and Friends this a.m.? The hosts were Adam Housley, Ainsley Earhardt and some other guy. Anyway, they were perfect! together; much better than Paige and the two Kellys. 
 
Paige is OK, but those two Kellys are just not cut out to be hosts, IMO. They are great as reporters, however. 
 
I hope Fox shakes things up a little with that program. And I do think they found a good combination with the aforementioned three who hosted this morning!
February 17, 2008, 12:23:54 AM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Did anyone see Fox and Friends this a.m.?
 
Check here:
 
http://johnnydollar.us/2008a/fqq224883483.html
 
As noted in the comments there, this does not appear to be a permanent change.
February 17, 2008, 11:18:14 AM EST – Like – Reply


Ira
Missy: On Saturday the usually steady Ainsley Earhardt totally messed up a story on the death of actor David Groh, first mispronouncing his name and then twice saying "Rhonda" not "Rhoda" as the sitcom where he played the husband.
 
I guess Ainsley had a “Courtney Friel” moment!
February 17, 2008, 12:36:46 PM EST – Like – Reply


Missy
HI J$ and Ira!
 
First of all, I apologize for bringing this topic up here, when J$ already had a post that covered this topic uniquely.
 
Not that I like Ainsley all that well, but it was just refreshing to see three new people on that set. Paige is OK, but I have NEVER liked the two Kellys on that show. Again, they are great reporters, but to me they seem very ill-suited to host that program. Neither seem comfortable there; Greg Kelly especially seems very "tentative", like he's just sitting there for a few minutes waiting for a ride or something!
February 17, 2008, 12:50:32 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I apologize for bringing this topic up here, when J$ already had a post that covered this topic uniquely.
 
No problem; I've granted you amnesty!
February 17, 2008, 12:53:25 PM EST – Like – Reply


On the Mark
Once the election ends, and I mean the actual election in November, not the primaries, it will be interesting to see what we have left among the three (3) cable news outlets. I doubt the broadcast outlets will undergo any change, but I expect the cable news outlets will change dramatically.
 
CNN seems to have a clear, objective, non-partisan, non-personality driven approach to election coverage. It goes into the election as the standard, and it will emerge as the standard.
 
MSNBC has become a bit schizophrenic about the whole thing. To be sure, it leans a bit to the left of center, but it has become a cult of personality. I doubt this is sustainable, particularly since the left is not given to cults of personality.
 
FNC may change the most. "Fair and Balanced," if it had ever been anything other than a slogan, has ceased to be anything but a slogan. The unabashed pro-Guiliani stance, followed by the pro-Romney stance, followed by the begrudgingly pro-McCain/anti-Huckabee stance, has probably got to admit what virtually everyone has always known: FNC is the ex-officio Tory organ in the US. Once it admits that, and I think it will, it will likely become a more effective commenary organization, and a more valuable tool for the RNC and the Right. Certainly, the Rightist fire-breathers like Coulter, Limbaugh and Wiener fall into irrelevance and, perhaps, disrepute. That creates a vaccuum, which I suspect FNC will be willing to feel. Doing so will help it maintain ratings supremacy in the rather cable news niche. This will dovetail nicely, as well, with the Reagan mythology and cult.
February 17, 2008, 5:05:17 PM EST – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> The unabashed pro-Guiliani stance, followed by the pro-Romney stance, followed by the begrudgingly pro-McCain/anti-Huckabee stance
 
Ah yes. The ephemeral, mythical pro-fillintheblank "stance" of Fox News. Most often trumpeted without documentation (other than along the lines of "Hannity said...").
February 17, 2008, 5:12:20 PM EST – Like – Reply


On the Mark
I am please you agree with me, although I viewed Hannity as a very small, insignificant part of the puzzle.
February 17, 2008, 6:44:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


Vince P
"particularly since the left is not given to cults of personality."
 
BWAHAHAHHAHHHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAH
February 17, 2008, 7:34:42 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Everything OTM wrote assumes that a democrat wins in November. If a republican wins, CNN stays to the left (primary debate coverage, anyone?), MSNBC darts even further to the farthest fringe of the left (bankruptcy), while FNC stays the same, fair and balanced.
February 17, 2008, 9:22:58 PM EST – Like – Reply


On The Mark
No, FF, I make no such assumption. It appears that the winner will be Clinton, McCain, Obama or McCain. No Foxfest with any of these .... So, FNC is then freed up to more openly advance a conservative/Right Wing agenda. So, my argument is, be the winner a Democrat or McCain, a vaccum of some force is created.
February 18, 2008, 8:53:20 AM EST – Like – Reply


Vince P
I love the fantasy Lefties have constructed about Fox.
 
"FNC is then freed up to more openly advance a conservative/Right Wing agenda"
 
Nonsense. There is no centrally planned ideology that Fox is the servant of. If you claim there is, what is your evidence... who at Fox is responsible for the execution of this corporate policy?
February 18, 2008, 9:25:36 AM EST – Like – Reply


Bill Corcoran
Vince P. For starters how about Roger Ailes, the CEO of FOX NEWS. He worked for both Reagan and Bush 41. Are you going to tell me Roger Ailes doesn't bring his Conservative agenda to FoxNews? 
 
MyGAWD, Ailes spent his whole life as a bigwig in the Republican Party and worked in two Republican White Houses. 
 
If you arent aware that Fox News favors the Republican/Conservative position then you must be the only person in the United States who doesn't know Fox News is the propaganda branch and mouthpiece for the Bush White House.
 
Name one anchor/host of a Fox News show that would be considered a Liberal?
February 18, 2008, 9:39:37 AM EST – Like – Reply


Vince
Bill:
 
I await evidence, not your wishful thinking, that Ailes is pursuing a partisan policy for FNC.
February 18, 2008, 12:59:02 PM EST – Like – Reply


Ira
MyGAWD, Ailes spent his whole life as a bigwig in the Republican Party and worked in two Republican White Houses. 
 
How many lies can you fit in one sentence?
 
Roger Ailes was a producer of the Mike Douglas Show and accidentally got into politics when Richard Nixon was a guest on that show. Ailes also spent some time producing Broadway shows. And before Mike Douglas, Ailes worked as a college DJ.
 
Finally although he was a contracted media advisor for a few Presidents and campaigns, he never actually worked in the White House.
 
So Bill Here is a tip: if you hope to make a big splash as a blogger, you had better get your facts straight!
February 18, 2008, 1:01:37 PM EST – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"FNC is then freed up to more openly advance a conservative/Right Wing agenda" - OTM
 
Even if this was an accurate prediction, I wouldn't stretch so far as to proclaim it at this point. Not only is there not a good way to prove it afterwards, but no one will remember it by then. 
 
I call shenanigans!
February 18, 2008, 11:04:58 PM EST – Like – Reply