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Tuesday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Q&A: Bill Hemmer (via TVN).

Poftfolio: the bias bias.

Chris Wallace speaks of Russert.

Monday's numbers. Weekend numbers.

Laura lockout lowdown. It's personal?

MSNBC's fuzzy math?

UReport website revamped (via TVN)

Meet the Press specularama continues: New York, TV Guide, Politico, Fishbowl DC. Greta's pick. Bedard suggests Little Luke! "Revolting" coverage?

Hotline quotes.

Immelt egress impending?

Shock: Olbermann smears Fox. TVNewser notices.

Q&A: Kerwin Swint.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments about any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.

david smawley
members of the dog pound hate the show which means Laura has got a hit in the making. Loved this legal immigration segment that you are replaying.
June 17, 2008, 5:44:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I wish I was home to watch Laura's new program, I'm always snarled in traffic while it's on. I'll have to DVR it sometime.
June 17, 2008, 7:11:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Great piece on Stewart last night showing Doocy and Malkin with a Cuomo and Obama speech segment and Doocy asking Malkin if it was plagiarized. Stewart gave on of his patented stunned looks, then put up text of both segments, then removed all but the common words (of, to, &c). Link must not be posted yet, but great, great comedy.
June 17, 2008, 8:00:02 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
I'm not a tremendous fan of Laura, F/F, but I do think she is able to present her side generally rationally and not disrespectfully. She is passionate, but she is not a firebrand. She also has an ability, shared by only a handful of people, to be able to transition well from radio to television and back again. Limbaugh never managed television well, and I find O'Reilly flat on radio. Oddly, Hannity has the skills to do both, although I find him intolerable on either. Colmes doesn't do either particularly well, although radio is a better venue for him. I don't know what Laura's prospects are at FNC, long term, but I think she is a generally solid addition.
June 17, 2008, 10:00:54 AM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
In regards to the behavior of the Talk Radio Network's lockout of Laura Ingraham, I find it to be heavy handed and just plain bizarre. Do the owners really think they can bully her into a new contract or are they just plain bitter? Either way, it says a lot about how they operate.
June 17, 2008, 10:30:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply

From Obliowatch:
Now I'm assuming that KO reported last night that Paula Abeles,who gained some noteriety by trying to keep Sally Hemmings decendents from a Jefferson family gathering,is a former Clinton supporter who is now supporting Sen Mccain.The writer then goes on to imply that KO said "McCain supporters are racist".Did KO say that "Mccain supporters are racist" this ??I'd love to see the transcript.
The writer also comments that "they are rape jokists"(is that even a word?).This alludes to fundraising support from Clayton Williams (Interesting side note,Scott McClellan worked on his campaign),a Texas politico who ran against Ann Richards.I assume that KO reported this story.Did he say that "they(McCain supporters) are rape jokists".I'd love to see the transcript.
Makes you wonder about someone who would infer from a pair of factual news reports that he or she (or Mccain supporters generally) is being called a "sexist racist".
June 17, 2008, 10:44:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply

NVH....go to the COUNTDOWN site and watch the video of Olbermann's interview with Fineman...the propaganda is essentially that the association with Williams is a nonstarter with all women because of the rape joke and that Ann Richards was some sainted heroine (BTW, I doubt most normal people could identify the former Texas Govenor in a photo). This is simply a partisan nerd story but Olbermann tries to puff it up to represent something it is not.
I think the OW summary of both segments hits the mark to the value the subjects have on the election. Racism and sexism are powerful fear memes for the democrats as is class warfare and we will see these fear issues used by the left to attack McCain.
Olbermann is just doing his job and OW is documenting it well!
June 17, 2008, 10:59:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I guess I'm not normal.Ann Richards appeared on "King of the Hill" and I knew her instantly.
Although I agree with you that KO cherry-picks his stories to make a particular point,and the stories were minor and deserved no more than a pasing mention,if that,I object to the generalization on the part of the Obliowatch writer that KO was calling McCain supporters racist and "rape jokists".Arguments fall particularly flat when the writer tries to use hyperbola in this way to claim offence.
June 17, 2008, 11:17:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
... and she was constantly on Larry King Live .... I can't imagine a news program that didn't carry a picture or a story about her.
That makes me odd, too, I suppose.
I'm also odd, apparently, in that I do not find anything even remotely amusing about rape jokes. But, then I don't call my wife vile, disgusting names, either, to her or about her. Yes, clearly out of the mainstream, here.
June 17, 2008, 11:26:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Topic drift!
June 17, 2008, 12:24:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny, the "Hotline Quotes" doesn't have a link.
I could go find it myself but you have spoiled me with the treatment I always knew I deserved so I'll just wait for my just due.
June 17, 2008, 12:34:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
And the poll isn't working either.
June 17, 2008, 12:44:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
What, you want my links to include links? What will you demand next?!? (Fixed it!)
June 17, 2008, 12:45:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Losing one's perspective and believing that some remote poor taste comment by a supporter will push women voters away from John McCain only illustrates the typical Olbermann fan's defect....have at it gents.
While in the same breath some SNOBamessiah supporters claim the average American does not find the twenty year spiritual bond between the Illinois Senator and a bombastic and radical fanatic disturbing......again have at it gents.
The argument of guilt by association is one I really think the Senator's handlers want to avoid.
But we all know how smart Keith Olbermann is.....he has shown his brilliance just recently with his public mourning over the loss of his esteemed collegue.
I hope Olbermann continues to try to drive the election agenda....the more radical and unhinged the better informed the American people will be regarding the democrats' radical choice.
June 17, 2008, 1:05:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
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June 17, 2008, 1:25:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny, how do I find transcripts of the various Fox shows?
I've tried more than once with no success.
June 17, 2008, 2:15:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
They don't have a transcript archive that covers everything. Special Report's panel I believe gets transcripted every night. Other shows are hit and miss. There is the FDS service but that's strictly a pay operation.
June 17, 2008, 2:31:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
The Radio Equalizer piece is interesting. I have no idea whether the substance of the piece has any merit or not. As a picture of a contract negotiation process gone bad, there is a certain logic to it all. Everyone tends to think he or she is priceless, but the hoo-hahs tend to price out everything and sometimes hold very firm. Were Judy Garland alive, she could attest to that. The argument that Laura is hurting the conservative movement seems overblown.
June 17, 2008, 2:44:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Thanks, Johnny.
Do you know why they don't offer it as an everyday service as MSNBC does? I would think that it would be popular if offered.
June 17, 2008, 3:18:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Grammie | 06.17.08 - 3:23 pm |
Could I.tongue in cheek,suggest that they don't want a written record.
June 17, 2008, 3:30:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
The argument that The Talk Radio Network locked her out for "defensive purposes" is also laughable. There is something going on with this blog and I smell a big, fat rat.
June 17, 2008, 3:50:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
You could probably consider The Radio Equalizer a talk radio gossip site. I don't trust it.
I voted that "Just In" is "fairly good." I find Laura annoying at times, but it's a good show and we'll see how it does in "the long run," as the Eagles sang.
June 17, 2008, 4:02:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Grammie, if you want all the facts, transcripts, who said what, what they meant and what they didn't mean, jut go to the newshounds. LOL!
June 17, 2008, 4:23:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Whoa! 686,000! Take that, Olbermoronn!
June 17, 2008, 5:25:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Whatever the results of the J$P poll may come to show, it appears from the numbers that Laura's first day pretty much smashed the competition. Whether that will hold up remains to be seen.
I wondered why Abrams audience actually increased over Olby until I remembered that they were showing the Gore endorsement speech. Olby seems to have settled into his accustomed second-place spot.
OK, here's a pop quiz. Without looking it up, who can remember the name of Laura's show on MSNBC?
June 17, 2008, 5:38:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
watch it
June 17, 2008, 6:08:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Correct! I thought it was "Watch This!" until I looked it up. I guess she likes two-word cable news titles.
June 17, 2008, 6:11:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
keep up the good work J$!
June 17, 2008, 6:14:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

In trying to look up the answer to Johnny's question, I found something else about Laura I did not know.  
ngraham . . . has dated former New Jersey Democratic Senator Robert Torricelli [4] and fellow MSNBC host Keith Olbermann
June 17, 2008, 6:15:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

ngraham = Ingraham
June 17, 2008, 6:16:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
thanks for the 5 year old update danny.

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June 17, 2008, 6:21:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
That's quite true danny. In fact there's a notorious (and true) story about Olbermann insisting that Laura's dog was talking to him in the middle of the night.
June 17, 2008, 6:23:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

please tell smawley I wasn't trying to make anything out of it. I wasn't trying to impugn Laura's conservative credentials. No need in being rude.
June 17, 2008, 6:26:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I'd heard that they had dated but didn't believe it since I never saw it come from a credible source. Wikipedia is NOT a credible source.
Johnny, what do you think about RCox's MBA/AP guidelines? Saw it in the news today.
June 17, 2008, 6:26:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Wik says that she was engaged to a conservative. Does that help?
June 17, 2008, 6:27:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Danny I know you weren't being disrespectful. I edited ds to remove his personal attack. Even if we differ we should be good comrades, and since you and ds don't even disagree much if at all, that goes double.
June 17, 2008, 6:28:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Thanks for the much-necessary edit, Johnny. Again, keep up the crackdown.
June 17, 2008, 6:38:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

June 17, 2008, 6:47:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Laura actually having been in the situation where her she and her dog were in the room with Olbermann in the middle of the night...is the one cloud I see in her judgment.
June 17, 2008, 7:39:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
My damn cable is out and I'm missing "The Factor." If by some miracle I have a signal by 10:59, I'll watch the 11:00 airing. Can anything go right for me?
June 17, 2008, 8:02:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Not only that, but every Cablevision number I call is busy. So, I'm just left completely in the dark. God, I hate Cablevision.
June 17, 2008, 8:07:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike, I don't know if this available in your area but I have FIOS and I really like it.
I live in an area with much more than average lightning and when I had Direct TV I lost the signal during every storm. I've lost FIOS once in six months during a power outage.
June 17, 2008, 8:19:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
It's available, but I'd really like DirecTV. They have all the channels I want that Cablevision doesn't have. And they probably have less signal trouble.
June 17, 2008, 8:27:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Grammie is right, Mike. I have Dish and I've had Directv and you can lose the signal from both from something as simple as cloud cover.
June 17, 2008, 8:32:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
FiOS has less HD channels and doesn't have MSG Network or MSG+ (Plus). Also, no FBN in HD.
June 17, 2008, 8:34:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I'm in a chat session with a tech support agent. Apparently, the cable is out all over Long Island. It could be a few more hours before the signal returns. That means I won't see tonight's "Factor" in full until I tape at 5AM. That means, I'll have to see the "Fox and Friends" Before the Show Show in a split screen.
June 17, 2008, 8:39:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
The signal is back. I'll watch at 11:00, but watch partial segments at FOXNews.com's video page.
June 17, 2008, 9:00:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I mean parts of the show. It's full segments.
June 17, 2008, 9:01:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Well we don't need to go to unreliable sources to ascertain that Laura and Keith once dated. In the following audio clip, Laura confirms their former relationship. If you listen closely to this clip, you will find that Laura still feels passion towards the man she once dated: http://infidelsarecool.com/2008/05/17/audio-laura-ingraham-rips-olbermann-and-msnbc/
June 17, 2008, 10:06:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
It's also up at OlbyWatch.
June 17, 2008, 10:17:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
For otm/nvh. Regarding the 'whitey' rumor.
June 17, 2008, 10:24:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Thanks for the link, danny.
OS, that clip is heavy damage! Thanks for posting it, johnny.
June 17, 2008, 10:28:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
A little mouse tells me doj is building 8 new detention facilities for not yet convicted federal detainees here in US. Hmmm.
June 18, 2008, 12:54:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
What does Gibson have to do with cable news?
June 18, 2008, 7:44:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Why would we need eight (8) detention facilities for approximately 400 people? I understand about half that number is scheduled to be released soon, anyway.
I don't think most of these people will ever make it to the US. Their stories will be an embarassment to the Administration and provoke international outrage. I am sure all of the broadcast and cable news people are lining up for interviews as soon as Guantanamo empties. The greatest fear of the Administration has always been a free and open press. Bringing the detainees to the US opens that door. And, I think that is a very good thing. When the media shines the light of truth on what has been going on with the detainees (largely a dog and pony show), we can redirect our attention to actual concerns in the War on Terror and begin to effectively fight it. Maybe that's just me. I trust the press and the Constitution far more than I do the Bushies.
June 18, 2008, 9:21:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
The smiley face is not mine. An Arabic 8 in parentheses produced that. I find the little faces extraordinarily tacky.
June 18, 2008, 9:22:35 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
The comments are off-topic anyhow. 
As for Gibson, he works for a cable news channel, and in that clip was doing an analysis of cable news coverage. Sounds relevant to me.
June 18, 2008, 9:27:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Since you let OTM's comment stand, I want to respond. [off-topic portion deleted]
No I can't let people respond after I declare something closed because then it would never end, as someone always wants the last word. Sorry! --J$

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June 18, 2008, 12:17:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
otm/nvh, what did you think of the Gibson piece? Remember 'whitey?
June 18, 2008, 12:30:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Sorry, it is very hard to see something stand.
It seems like Gwen Ifill, Great's choice, is gaining in popularity.
June 18, 2008, 12:43:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Curiously, do you think she would be a good choice? But then, that's a hard question to answer, isn't it? Russert hosted MTP, braodcast and rerun on cable, but he also did so much work and made so many appearances on MSNBC shows, separate and apart. I can see Ifill doing MTP and doing it well, but I can't see her in the more aggressive or free-flowing roles.
June 18, 2008, 1:04:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Greta's choice...
I think there will be various people filling in, she one, until someone exhibits some sort of star power in his/her own right, not in the style of Russert, who is irreplaceable.
June 18, 2008, 1:18:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Nothing to say about the Gibson piece, otm/nvh? I'm curious of your opinion.
June 18, 2008, 1:41:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Old news. Same story. New presenters. And, to my way of thinking, decidedly off topic. So, enough. Too much.
June 18, 2008, 1:55:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Big news before, no news now? Too funny.
June 18, 2008, 2:15:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply