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Weekend Links & Open Thread

Sunday cable news links [8:25 pm]:

Outrage imminent: Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama on Fox & Friends Monday!

Fran Townsend joins CNN. Outrage ensues.

Drug subs.

Olbermann unhinged: Hillary's "ugliness", FNC a "pigsty".

James Wolcott: Olbermann and his ilk.

Saturday night, live.

Gen Vallely trashes Times tale.

Sunday talkers.

Factor fallout: Kitman, Pontillo, Hill, Donelson. Pass the Maalox. HuffPo commenters pummel Olbermann.

Saturday's F&F combo. Racist?

Outrage du jour.

Cable quotables.

CNN's big plans.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply.

Mike Chimeri
I'm up late and watched "Red Eye." Wendi McClendon-Covey from "Reno 911!" was a guest. You know what was on one of the TVs in the background of the L.A. bureau newsroom she was in? MSNBC! You know what shows were on during the taping of "Red Eye" tonight? Olbermoronn's show. Periodically, you could make out Olby's face and Richard Lewis gesticulating wildly. WPitW must have occurred during one of the commercial breaks.
Tuesday night, FNC was on that same TV in the L.A. newsroom, where Greg Proops was the guest, and "The Factor" was on. In fact, while Andy Levy was doing "The Halftime Report," "H&C" was starting and the director's cues could be heard from the NY newsroom where he was. The direction briefly interrupted Andy ("Okay, I'm standing by") and got a laugh from Greg [Gutfeld] and the guests.
May 3, 2008, 4:09:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I followed the "Maalox" link and left this comment:
I love reading deranged articles like this. That someone would go through so much trouble over something as irrelevant (in the grand scheme of things) as a political candidate appearing on a cable news channel.
You guys are so hyperfocused on your little war against the United States it’s almost laughable
May 3, 2008, 4:55:30 AM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
On The Factor last night guest host Laura Ingraham was interviewing Amanda Carpenter regarding the left wing blog vapors over "their" candidates appearing on FoxNews. At one point, Laura looked straight into the camera and said "WE'RE HERE TO STAY!" Bravo Laura, I hope they were watching and listening.
May 3, 2008, 9:01:08 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On the Mark
I am not disapppointed in CNN's coverage of the Guamanian semi-primary. Where is Crowley telling us how this is really good news for Clinton? Where is a breatless Blitzer telling us we are expecting returns from Dededo's northern suburbs any moment? North Carolina? Indiana? I need to know what voters in Yona are doing. Now!
May 3, 2008, 10:30:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Too bad Olbyonesidedkanoby spiked all of the latest polling results. If you really want to be 'in the know' you have to watch Fox, philby.
May 3, 2008, 10:57:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
So, nothing about my early morning observation?
May 3, 2008, 12:58:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
It's kind of quiet today. I spotted something like that once before on CNN when I saw John Gibson on the monitor behind the guy speaking.
I spotted Andy Levy and Kelli Goff on F&F this morning in a "rewind" of the week's news, packaged as it it were to be a regular segment. They also plugged a "fast forward" of the week's news for Sunday. Levy's dry humor is priceless.
May 3, 2008, 1:18:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I recorded that on my DVR. I'll go watch it now.
I think Marvin Kitman should do what he thinks BOR frequently tells his guests to do: shut up.
May 3, 2008, 2:16:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I guess Pontillo is a Clinton hater that thinks BOR was too soft on Hillary. Plenty of those people called in to "The Radio Factor" and wrote to "The O'Reilly Factor" on Thursday. And I said that on Thursday, so I apologize for repeating myself.
May 3, 2008, 2:18:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I DVR Red Eye, it's one of my favorite FNC programs. Levy is classic, the dirty humor between him, Gutfeld, and the pathetic houseboy are all hilarious.  
Vince, I went to the Maalox link and left a comment too. Poor, misguided Fox haters.
Olbysucks, I'm with Chimeri here on the philby stuff. OTM is just OTM, nobody else. He's not insulting or hurting anyone here, just adding a little color to the palette.
May 3, 2008, 2:45:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

FF: I saw your comment. It was good.. becausae i never saw the videos and i had no plan to, so i had no response to his challenge
May 3, 2008, 2:54:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

OTM is philby, but, if it's that big of a deal I can let it go.
May 3, 2008, 4:38:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The liberal media critic Bob Somerby sums it up pretty well about Olbermann's "journalism":
"Garbage like this [re Rachel Maddow's analysis of Clinton's possible support in swing states in the general election] is pushed at young liberals night after night on this horrible show. Olbermann feeds on their gullibility like a thing which crawled out of a swamp."
"We’re stunned each night by Olbermann’s show (when we can force ourselves to watch him). It points the way to a troubling future. We’ve never seen such pure propaganda, even on any particular Fox News Channel show. Is this how news orgs of the future will work? If so, Keith will be a hog in slop. It seems he was born to play liberals."
What MSNBC is doing allowing this nonsense to be broadcast by this fraud Olbermann is just amazing.
May 3, 2008, 5:58:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On the Mark
The Wolcott article is, as always, excellent in its own right. And, it hit on a full range of issues, cable news and blogs. It is well worth a read:
We could all learn a lesson from Wolcott. His use of the full force of the English language, without anger or profanity, instructs us all. None of us will write as well as he does, but Wolcott is an inspiration, a goal.
May 3, 2008, 8:12:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
On the Mark, who is philby?
I read some of Wolcott's article. I wouldn't exactly call him an inspiration or a goal. He is an excellent, fluent writer, but his ideology is way too extreme. He will turn off 50% of his audience within the first paragraph.
In fact, if I ever start writing like Wolcott, I beg that someone please shoot me in the face.
May 3, 2008, 9:25:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

but his ideology is way too extreme.
posted by fox fan
Why do you think he appeals to 'on the mark?' He's a far lefists. Not that there's anything wrong with that.....
May 4, 2008, 12:10:03 AM EDT – Like – Reply

(The majority of Huffpo’s high-profile contributors were so over the rainbow about Obama that it was as if they had found rapture in the poppy fields and were rolling around on their backs like ladybugs.)
May 4, 2008, 12:29:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply

It's interesting to me that whenever a liberal is attempting to explain the temper tantrums of Democrats, especially when they're engaged in treating each other with the tolerance and maturity of two five-year-olds with one ice cream cone, the reason is always because they're independent-minded free spirits, don't you know.  
They're so special, smart, wonderfully quirky and individualistic,that strains from the oldie "Incense and Peppermint" waft through the atmosphere whenever they enter a room...
Being an eternal stomping adolescent is so cool and nonconformist...
May 4, 2008, 9:39:47 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Well, if they don't appreciate calling OTM by his alter Mrs. Philby, perhaps you could choose another one his old nicks, Olbysucks.
How about Kip King? Now there was some writing...
May 4, 2008, 9:59:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I thought about going w/one of 'otm's' other names since there were SO many to choose from, but, I didn't want mike c to have another hissy fit. He seems a little on the 'sensitive' side. I wasn't about to waste any of J
May 4, 2008, 12:17:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

so, according to olby, even though Wallace is a monkey he keeps his studio cleaner than oreilly's pigsty. how mature
May 4, 2008, 1:05:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I do love that picture of Olbermann in the green jacket.
Did he just win the Masters?
I think I had something like that when I was about eight.
And a red tie?
Okay, it's a cheap shot by me. But, c'mon, this is the king of cheap shots Keith Olbermann.
May 4, 2008, 2:42:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I dont think Leftists are individualistic at all. Instead they are devoted to Groupthink.
I think this is why they react so exteremely to anyone who dares go against the group. Notice how they always seem to split into factions..groups.
Folks on the Right are much less likey to get mired in Groupthink.
May 4, 2008, 2:44:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Not leftists; far leftists. I feel like a broken record telling you guys this, these blogs don't speak for the entire left wing.
May 4, 2008, 2:47:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Correction: "...but these blogs..."
May 4, 2008, 2:48:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Stop nitpicking. If you think i'm gogni to write with the fine precision of a lawyer , for a blog comment, you have another thing coming.  
Give it a rest
May 4, 2008, 3:01:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Okay, I'm sorry. How dare I try to be fair. Let's just be general. All conservatives, good; all liberals, bad. Blue blogs speak for all liberals. Rush is great. All hail Rush. Laura is the best fill-in.
May 4, 2008, 3:50:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
There's a reason I like Bill O'Reilly so much: he isn't a close-minded partisan doctrinaire.
Okay, back to cable news: what does Townsend joining CNN mean for FNC? For me, just because CNN is stocking up on right-leaning contributors doesn't mean I'm going to suddenly change allegiance to them (I'm glad I learned the code for italics ).
May 4, 2008, 3:54:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike, consider that your comment, which you are using as an example of someone else's thinking, may reflect a bit of a pedantic tendency in you rather than in others.
I don't mean to offend you at all. I admire you, but do consider it.
May 4, 2008, 4:05:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
Christ.. did I say "ALL" Leftists.. No.. i said Leftists. That you take it to mean ALL Leftists is your problem not mine.
May 4, 2008, 4:31:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
I deserved that. I'm sorry. I think it's an Asperger Syndrome thing. I got in trouble for being that way when I was in college. I learned to keep my mouth shut after being embarrassed. Also, a professor of an Earth Science class that I switched out of called me a "smart aleck." I don't mean to be that. I'm very, very sorry, and now I'm starting to well up.
May 4, 2008, 4:31:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Now, I'm in further trouble. Plus, Vince probably thinks I'm a liberal because it could be perceived I'm apologizing for them.
May 4, 2008, 4:32:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
This is what happened to me on the BillOReilly.com message boards, and somewhat at Mary Katharine Ham's blog. I feel so out of place right now.
May 4, 2008, 4:35:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
These comments are open to everyone. Some will be more to the right, others more to the left, and some around the center. Sometimes a few elbows get thrown but that's the nature of the beast, and we do our best to keep things on the level. No one who respects the rules as you do can possibly be out of place when all points of view are welcome.
May 4, 2008, 4:56:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Vince P
I don't care what political pursusion someone is on.. just be honest and civil and i'm fine with you.
May 4, 2008, 5:03:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
>Some [comments] will be more to the right, others more to the left, and some around the center.<
It feels like there's a lot of right, I'm the only guy in the center, and the guys and gals on the left--not matter what degree--get pounded.
May 4, 2008, 5:05:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Correction: "no matter what degree"
May 4, 2008, 5:06:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply

You're not a "smart aleck", Mike, you're a smart man PERIOD.
I am more linear in my thinking than a herd of mathematicians (though I can't do math at gunpoint...). My daughter regularly points this pattern out to me. :D
I just saw shadows in what you stated that reminded me of me and thought that maybe in your desire to be fair and honorable, you were forgetting a commonly understood default mode.
Actually, it wouldn't kill any of us to be more careful of generalizing. :D
May 4, 2008, 5:09:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Mike, I don't think you're the only moderate here. Have you ever taken the test at politicalcompass.org? I score either side of 0 every time. Yes, that means sometimes left and sometimes right of 0. Democrats do tend to piss me off more than republicans, but it's just my opinion. We're all political mish-mashes. (I almost said political mutts, but that would not go over well 'round these parts)
I know that if you followed all the advice people here have for you, you'd be a nutjob. However, I have my own- don't be so quick to apologize. You write what you write because you feel it. Who cares if someone else doesn't like it. Vince might be right that you're a tad sensitive, but before you apologize for it, consider whether that's a bad thing or just a statement of being.
May 4, 2008, 8:02:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I read that HuffPo link about Townsend joining CNN. It's amazing how the far-left mind thinks. The writer inquires, "what better source of objective, insightful analysis than a former Homeland Security Adviser to the President?" My question is, what better source could you have to be the go-to person on questions on homeland security for your news team?  
It's called credentials, something the writers at Huffington Post have never heard of.
May 4, 2008, 8:13:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Watch for the blue blogs to erupt again, considering the headline I've just added to the post. I think Olby is going to take a long soak in the tub tonight.
May 4, 2008, 8:30:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Outrage imminent: Clinton and Obama on Fox & Friends Monday!
OMG! hahahaha! Love it!
May 4, 2008, 8:41:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
How dare they legitimize Faux Noise!
God damn America!
May 4, 2008, 8:50:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny, thanks so much for the heads up.
I just got back from the store and am well stocked with smelling salts, feathers and lighters. I am prepared to revive hundreds and hundreds of Kozacks, Huffers et al if they are overcome with the vapors.
May 4, 2008, 9:00:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
On the live speech, Hillary just boldly lied again in her main attack on McCain, repeating yet again the "100 years" statement without context.  
May 4, 2008, 9:11:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Grammie, I have thousands of bullets to add to the relief effort!
May 4, 2008, 9:11:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Might you be watching that live speech on Fox, Fox Fan? I ask because we keep hearing that Fox is nothing but propaganda for the Republicans. And here they are broadcasting live speeches by Hillary and Barack. While Keith Olbermann's channel, "the place for politics", is showing the 89th rerun of life behind prison bars.
May 4, 2008, 9:26:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
For sure Fox Fan fervently watches Fox's feature on Fox. Fox Fan is a Fox fan.
May 4, 2008, 9:35:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

FoxFan, the King of Alliteration at J
May 4, 2008, 9:44:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
That Political Compass test looked too hard. So, I didn't take it. But thanks for the suggestion, Fox Fan. And I'll try not to be so apologetic in the future.
May 4, 2008, 9:51:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
It's interesting that CNN and MSNBC aren't covering the democratic primary contender speeches, but Fox is. 
MSNBC is doing that jail program and CNN is interviewing Michael Moore.
May 4, 2008, 9:52:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
C'mon Mike, it's just questions on your philosophy and beliefs dictated by your personal morals. You can do it!
May 4, 2008, 9:55:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan, I am a sucker for political tests so of course I immediately rushed and took the one you mentioned.
I came out very mildly authoritarian and more conservative/libertarian if I understood their graphics correctly.
Have you and Mike C ever taken the Shortest Political Test in the World? It literally takes only a few minutes.
I self describe as very conservative but my score on that test was fairly conservative with a dollop of libertarian.
Mike, I am a newcomer here but I enjoyed your participation here at J$P from my first day. I would venture that most of us go beyond that and realize that you are an integral part here and your absence would be sorely felt.
Keep that in mind and don't take things so seriously!
May 4, 2008, 10:08:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I wonder... did Olbermann think FOX was so bad when he was doing a guest voice on "The Simpsons?"
Interviewing Seth McFarland from "Family Guy?"
Reporting on "American Idol?"
Hmm... it's the faux outrage that gets me. Although, with this new news, he might just start to cry on air. Wouldn't that be something!
May 4, 2008, 10:13:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Shortest political test in the world? I haven't taken it, but I can administer it.
1. Are you republican or democrat?
May 4, 2008, 10:16:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
What if the answer was "neither"?
Keith interviewed Seth MacFarlane? All I know is they're buddies and Keith appeared on "Family Guy," which, by the way, was awful tonight. "Family Guy" is very hit and miss, and their extended gags (the ones that labor on for 30 to 180 seconds) are pointless.
May 4, 2008, 10:27:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Neither isn't one of the answers. It fails the test while either of the options pass.

May 4, 2008, 10:33:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply

FF, I do believe your version of The World's Shortest Political Test is just waaaaaay too short. 
Give it a shot if you are so inclined.
May 4, 2008, 10:36:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Ma'am, NEGATIVE, ma'am! Ma'am, the private belives any answer he gives will be wrong and the Senior Drill Instructor will only beat him harder!
May 4, 2008, 10:43:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

"Okay, it's a cheap shot by me. But, c'mon, this is the king of cheap shots Keith Olbermann.
SteveMG | 05.04.08 - 2:47 pm | "
How many colors is KO wearing?
Let me count them all.
A Grinch Green coat, a fushia red tie, a blue and white stripped shirt and an orange glo face.
Could the poor boy be color blind?
May 4, 2008, 10:45:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

FF, I retire from the field and acquiesce to your superior fire power!
May 4, 2008, 10:50:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
That's what all the ladies say, Grammie.
May 4, 2008, 10:59:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike Chimeri
Okay, I took the test after all. My economic left/right compass was .50. My social libertarian/authoritarian compass was 1.03.
So, I'm pretty much down the middle.
May 5, 2008, 12:32:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On the test, I came out "economic left/right 3.75 and social libertarian/authoritarian -1.03".
I have no idea what the hell any of that means.
May 5, 2008, 1:47:46 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
It means that you are a true fiscal conservative and socially believe that the government should have a role in determining morality.
May 5, 2008, 7:07:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Those test are great fun.
I ended up -7.62/-6.41. I think that makes me a bit of an anarchist, more aligned with the Dali Lama than any of the other named figures. I am comfortable with that.
As for your unanswered question, and I apologize for not addressing it sooner (this was prom weekend, and we were helping sponsor the after the prom try to stay sober a bit longer party which ends as the sun rises), I'll merely say perceptions can become baggage, and some travelers never have learned to pack lightly. More later ....
May 5, 2008, 8:07:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Thanks, Fox Fan!
May 5, 2008, 10:31:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Curiously, Cecelia, do you find the results to accurately characterize your views? It's all rather broad, of course. I did find that many of the questions ought to have had a "neither agree nor disagree," and the death penalty question could have been answered either way and still have been accurate. All that aside, I think it nailed me fairly closely.
May 5, 2008, 11:05:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply

OTM, since you're pressed for time, I'll explain "Philby".
Philby is Mrs. R. Adrian Philby a screen name OTM used on OW. 
Mrs. Philby was a supercilious sounding (imagine that...) academic who carried on a condescending conversation with a rather inarticulate conservative Rudy Giuliani supporter by the name of Rudy Ramirez. Rudy was a terrible speller and overall dunce. Get the picture... 
This continued on until Johnny clued OW on to the fact that both posters were from the same ISP.
Another of OTM's alters on OW was "Kip King". Kip King was a parody identity OTM adopted in order to make fun of Olbysucks. The joke was that Kip was his son, wherein Kip talked about his father's incest, inbred lineage, and bestiality with farm animals. Good natured humor to be sure... 
OTM had many other screen names that were eventually revealed by Bob Cox and Johnny. He is one of the reasons OW had to be revamped with software making registration required.
Along with several other people OTM's limted thespian talents (he'd sooner lose a limb than shed completely the elitist "accent" completely, so his tone remained distinctive no matter what name he assumed). He had several cronies and their games ncluded basic trolling and other internet strategies known as socket puppets and strawman socket puppets. OTM always maintained at one screen name wherein he continued to be himself as the man you see here.
Their goal was to make OW the equivalent of a graffiti scrawled wall-- idiotic, loud, coarse, dominated, meaningless. Aside for myself, Grammie, Cee, Sharon, and Olbysucks can certainly aver with complete assurance that OTM is the former bane of OW. After two years of him, we are experts, we can assure you. We can also assure you that he'd do all of that here at the nemesis 'fox site' too if he could. Continue to take from him whatever good you feel from him now, but you do deserve truth in advertising...
One of the lessons that OTM taught me, someone who is to my OWN shock rather sheltered is--- caveat emptor, what you see is not always what you get, and beware of wolves in sheep skins and online leftists in stereotyped conservative skins.
It's not a fun lesson, but I would say to anyone here that we ignore it to our own determent. Lots of time energy and new software later, that's something that Bob Cox, JD, and all OWers will certainly aver.
May 5, 2008, 11:15:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Thank you for you concern, Cecelia. 
I wasn't pressed for time when I wrote this morning, I simply decided that I didn't want to delve into matters irrelevant to this site and its mission, and it was my intention to address Fox Fan's question privately, this afternoon or tomorrow. 
I will still do so. Even in private, however, I will forego personal attacks, and I will have nothing further to say about this matter on this site. What you do is your decision, however.
By the way: Did you find the "test" accurate?
May 5, 2008, 11:25:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I found the test accurate. The only social question I answered to the positive of govt direction was the one about abortion. That's a pretty classic one and may rightly be heavily weighted. I don't know.
Your professed concern for this site is admirable. Now please excuse me while I check and see if I still have my wallet...
May 5, 2008, 11:33:09 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I endorse everything that Cecelia just said and want to add a few things that she didn't mention, such as his unbelievable behavior to we three females [Cecelia, Sharon and I].
We were the "fag hags" or alternately Bag, Hag and Gag. We had odes written to and about us as being sluts, slovens, drunkards, whores, vicious, mean spirited, slatterns, witches, bitches and on and on and on.
Let me describe a few of his stand alone comments, with no other content, about Sharon. Sharon has commented here a few times and is a lovely wife and mother of three. OTM wrote a tale of driving to work and suddenly seeing a vicious, snarling and spitting Bobcat on the side of the road. He was much taken with this Bobcat and named it Sharon b/c the spitting snarling viciousness of the Bobcat reminded him so much of Sharon.
And then he wrote a long tail one time about me and only one of the many similar remarks was that he opened a can of pickled onions that had gone bad and they reminded him of me b/c they were shriveled, wrinkled, discolored and smelled bad. 
I could regale you all with hundreds of similar comments but I'm sure you get the picture. When R Cox finally tracked down all his aliases for just one year there were 5,000+ comments, most in the same vein, under a dozen or more aliases.
BTW, another hallmark was an oily unctious self proclaimed saintly piety and forebearance in the face of OS and we Fag Hags outrageous behavior.
May 5, 2008, 1:25:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
OK I think we've covered the OTM saga sufficiently. If he wants to respond he is free to wrap up the discussion, but beyond that let's try and get back to cable news and stuff.
May 5, 2008, 1:32:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply

However, Johnny, you have to admit that we were and have been pretty circumspect considering our greivances.
May 5, 2008, 1:37:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I'm sure there is much that could be aired, but cable news is just so much more, well, relevant.  Thanks for humoring me!
May 5, 2008, 1:41:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Thank you for the opportunity, Johnny. I'll not take you up on it, however.
May 5, 2008, 2:19:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
This is all very interesting. Thank you Cecelia and Grammy for the explanations of Philby from OW. What a disgusting f***. I am still not convinced that OTM is this person, but I await his private addressing of it. I also don't have the pleasure of experiencing the vile character from OW, so I'm not a good judge on the issue.
Glad you all enjoyed the test! OTM, that is an unprecedented score even from the scores I saw at NH when they took it. Not a bad thing, just...wow.
May 5, 2008, 8:31:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Rest asured, ff, it's her. To her credit, I am glad she has turned over a new leaf, it was win,win. Gotta go get my ow fix...
May 5, 2008, 9:42:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

On the Mark
I have heard all my life how as one ages, one gets more conservative. In fact, just last week I heard Hannity tell someone that on his radio program. I suppose I began to come into some political awareness by the time I was in 8th grade, and I have always been left of center. My personal lifestyle, the choices I have made in life as to faith, marriage, family, civic responsibility (what some would call patriotism, I suppose), budget, have all been very traditional, rather mundane and boring to most, I suppose, but I have never had that sweeping movement into conservatism as my hair has greyed and my waist thickened. My friends over the years tell me there is a consistency in my "radicalism". In point of fact, with each year I find conservatism less compelling. Certainly, I find little to commend many conservatives in political life, although I do have tremendous respect and even fondness for some public figures who are conservative. What I find most amusing, ironic, is how so many to the right-of-center always pontificating family and traditional values, lead the most reprehensible of lives, the Bennett's, Gingrich's, Guliani's, Limbaugh's, Vtter's, &c, as bad and in many cases worse than the liberals who are suppose to lead such lives (at least in the estimation of conseratives). Equally ironic: liberals, who prize tolerance above all else, being so frequently intolerant, as befits conservatives in the view of the left.
I read with interest, Mike's comments on another thread about the young leftists who like Olbermann and drive his ratings. I wouldn't be too sure about them being necessarily leftists. Established media, particularly cable news media, is traditional, not necessarily conservative, but often so. The young leftists are most likely simply anti-establishment. And thanks goodness for that. If we did not have the young challenging the establishment, we would never have change. That change can be from left to right or right to left. History is full of examples of young people pulling a nation to the right. Most often, however, the force of change has an apolitical or at least aphilosophical quality to it. A predetined quality to it, that gives progress a start and stop quality to it rather than a consant flow.
So, what I would say to Mike is please dissent and criticize. All The Marys in Heaven know we need that. In my experience, and I don't want to be too biting in saying this, people who are threatened by dissent don't warrant the deference we too often pay to them.
May 5, 2008, 10:47:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan,
THe most successful sorts of emotional outsider sorts are generally very gifted at appearing to be what they are not.
Just judging by your manner in your posts, I'm certain that you've long been more aware of this truism than I've been.
When you received your first answer to your question earlier yesterday, baggage was mentioned and the ability to travel lightly. I'm certain that you received a truthful answer here. 
Conventions for the most casual of interactions-- a rudimentary honesty, acceptance, courtesy to a host, etc. are all artfully effected in real life by emotional outsiders, I'd wager, because they are "necessary". But to these same people, in the freedom of this cyberworld, these things are certainly going to seem like some reactionary compliance to some passe superficial now unnecessary custom (baggage). Rather like tettering yourself to an anvil after being released from jail. 
You're welcome in your thanks for being filled in on some particulars by Grammie and me, but again, you had received an entirely accurate answer from the person you had questioned in the first place.
More accurate by far than was ever really intended.
May 6, 2008, 2:27:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Yesterday, our host requested that all this end, and I assumed that it would. As such, I did not seize upon the opportunity graciously given to me to respond to the attacks repeatedly leveled against me. In deference to our host, I am not going to respond to this latest assault, either. I am not going to respond to any of your continued, on-going, expected assaults. Instead, I will stay on the topic ahead of us. I feel that is important information for you. I know not whether that means you will at long last put this to rest, or if it will simply embolden you. But, at least you can make an informed choice. Whatever choice you make, I wish you well.
May 6, 2008, 7:47:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply