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Thursday Links and Open Thread

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Profiles: Glenn Beck, Maddow, Maddow.

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Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.

Like it or not, everything in the Forum reflects on the blog. We can have passionate discussion, even about J$, without devolving into a middle school food fight and I'm going to start insisting that we raise the bar several notches here.  
Posted by: Ellen on Thu 4.9 2:49am  
Well, isn't that special.
I'm taking bets on how long it will be before Mr. Weston goes on one of his vile tirades.
April 9, 2009, 8:26:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply

"'If the government changes to a totally Democratic Washington, all those who don't like it, 48 percent of the country, will be turning on Fox News.'
"Whatever the numbers, Murdoch was right."
Then there are those prepared to try to claim FNC is an illegitimate source of information for their fellow citizens.
It is going to be very fascinating to watch this unfold. With Beck in the mix, the left seems even more crazed in their hatred of FNC. The smearing, half truths and demogoguery has reached beyond what was seen in 2005/2006, at the height of the war protests.
I don't think GE can claim MSNBC is their "crown jewel."
April 9, 2009, 10:00:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply

I'm taking bets on how long it will be before Mr. Weston goes on one of his vile tirades.
Blackflon | Homepage | 04.09.09 - 8:31 am | #  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Thu 4.9 8:33am  
WOW!!! 2 minutes! I'll give him this. He doesn't disappoint
April 9, 2009, 10:04:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Speaking of threads, Megyn's springtime ensemble and Hannity's pink tie remind me of the azaleas and dogwoods at Augusta National.
Serious, and out of character, questions, which would be on topic in any and all of the latest 5 articles:
Glen Beck was on CNN for....., how long?
How long has Beck been at FOXNews?
What is the ratio between the number of profiles, critiques, attacks, slurs, smears, distortions, and glorious technicolor, breathtaking cinemascope and stereophonic sound of blatant lies about Beck between the two periods?
April 9, 2009, 1:34:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Keithina was forced to make a somewhat non apologize apologize for the tweeter LIE and maybe this is a perfect time for a sitting down of Keithina by the TAXPAYER OWNED mothership GE. I think we are seeing a KEITHINA SPANKDOWN by Jeffy since any other time they just run a BEST OF(if there is such a thing to the sane) COUNTDOWN garbage. I find it extermely hard to believe knowing the Pedomann's ego that he would tolerate another show in HIS spot. A fill in YES. Another show, NO WAY!

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April 9, 2009, 2:25:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Uh oh...
Michael Weston, You are leaving the Forum now... for good.
Posted by: Ellen on Thu 4.9 1:44pm
April 9, 2009, 3:05:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
I see the "J$" thread is still back firing on ellen. At least we won't have to hear about baba o' reilly/mw, anymore.
April 9, 2009, 3:49:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Interloper | Homepage | 04.09.09 - 3:10 pm | #  
Nice effort by Ellen, but it won't last. The l'il feller has been posting there for a while now, but his MW handle was only registered a few months ago.
I would wager that he's got other handles already registered there, or he may simply register a new one with phoney info, then do a Haggis..."Hello everyone, first time poster here".
I did notice on their membership register a recent new user named "Joanie Dollar". I suspect that is the little one as well.
I have a message for the l'il feller...
Patrick, don't you think it's just a tad bit humiliating that you, as an almost 40 year old man (my assumption that you wrote the truth at the hounds site), you get bounced from a website for talking like a 4th grade boy?
April 9, 2009, 4:05:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply

At least we won't have to hear about baba o' reilly/mw, anymore.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 04.09.09 - 3:54 pm | #  
Oh no OS, the l'il feller is still here. Check out his recent post as Weston on NH referring to a specific post from "margoharris" here on J$P:
Fox News is not a news program but a propaganda site, filled with people who have a agenda to destroy the democraticly elected president.  
The trumped-up phony outrages and outragous lies and charges of socialism, marxism and and other crazy statements are the product of a sick society and you people are the reason for it because you act as if the absolutely insane ranting of a tv idiot who is just dangerous to all of you nuts that are on the edge.  
BTW, it is not called tyranny it is called losing.  
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margoharris | 04.09.09 - 10:29 am | #  
Look at the smackdown Dollars and his minions just got.  
Posted by: Michael Weston on Thu 4.9 9:48am  

The J$P timestamp is eastern time. The NH timestamp is central time. The time difference between the margoharris post is 18 minutes in real time. Adjusting for the time for J$ to moderate the post, and the lag for Haloscan to allow it to be viewed, the l'il feller had to cut and paste the margoharris the moment it was first readable on J$P in order to post it on NH at the time he did.
Reading MW's response, it's obvious that he authored the original margoharris post, then used it to create a post he thought the other hounds would appreciate, all at a time when he was under fire for his vileness at NH.
The little one is constantly seeking attention, just like a child. Somewhere on NH he posted a message where he actually asked another poster, I think Peg, if she thought his earlier post was funny.
He'll be back.
April 9, 2009, 4:20:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny $, Can you get the video clip of Bill Shultz with Glenn Beck and post it on your site? It's the video clip of Glenn Beck trying to set Bill Schultz on fire...
April 9, 2009, 5:38:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mr. Weston has been banned at News Hounds??????
Well, it sure was fun while it lasted.
Hats off to Ellen for finally taking a stand.
April 9, 2009, 5:50:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny dollar
ZD I have reason to believe that Fox will have that video available within the next hour or so, and I generally don't like to duplicate what they post. I will monitor that and give you a link when it turns up.
April 9, 2009, 5:52:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
ZD, here's the link for that Glenn Beck video segment:
April 9, 2009, 6:49:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Thanks Johnny $, The Video was great and to the point...
April 9, 2009, 7:27:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Pegleg Peggy
And of course that nice, nice Pegleg, who drops by here every now and then and comments...on a site that doesn't allow people like her to comment?
And where did I say that your site doesn't allow people like me to comment?

April 9, 2009, 8:58:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I never claimed YOU said that. Of course you DID say you came over here and pointed out all my lies in one of my posts. That you DID say, and yet refuse to tell us what exactly those lies were that you pointed out, and where this post is with you pointing them out.
Stuff like that can cause a credibility gap, but I'm sure you'll come up with the answer sooner or later.
April 9, 2009, 9:04:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Pegleg Peggy
yep...sooner or later ...when I get around to it.
April 10, 2009, 1:57:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
Why should peg leg post any proof of so-called "lies" she's documented when nvh and t-bone have made the same claim many times w/out having a shred of evidence to back the claim? Proof? Who needs it!
April 10, 2009, 2:57:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Uh oh...
Michael Weston, You are leaving the Forum now... for good.
Posted by: Ellen on Thu 4.9 1:44pm
Interloper | Homepage | 04.09.09 - 3:10 pm | #  
I get caught up with a bunch of spring cleaning help and miss stuff!
Never fails!
April 10, 2009, 4:44:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Pegleg Peggy | Homepage | 04.09.09 - 9:03 pm | #
Shame on you, Peggy, for reading that crap that Michael Weston spouted never saying a word!
April 10, 2009, 4:50:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Pegleg Peggy
Oh, hello there, brave Cecelia, tsking and shaking your fist at me from way over here in the Dark Site.  
I explained the fact that I DID tackle Weston over his language to Grammie on our forum last night .
April 10, 2009, 5:45:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply

First off. I'm not shaking my fist at you. That's a bizarre characterization. Secondly, I've told you why I won't go to NH. I am not giving them a crack at my ISP.
And as for your taking on (did you shake your fist at him?...) Michael about his language-- LAST NIGHT! That's a bit belatedly, don't you think?
I remember you telling Michael that we thought you should should somehow fight our battle for us, simply because Grammie and I were aghast a former rape counselor could sit on a board with a man calling women the c-word, we were making a stink over it.
Then I remember your telling Michael that you understood why he might call me that lovely little word, but it really was sexist after all...etc....etc..
Yeah, you're a real profile in courage there yourself, Peggy.
April 10, 2009, 6:15:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I was over there this evening. It was "Get Peggy" time for the Dollies. For me it was Tai Chi time  
They're supposed to come back with links to where I supposedly called some of them c*nts, whores and comfort girls. Maybe one of you will alert me if they come up with one. I've had enough of that place to last me for a long time.  
Then there is Grammie. Man, s/he hates my guts!! (wasn't there speculation that Grammie is actually the sockpuppet of one of the guys?)According to the Myopic One (you'd have to see the thread)I should be the languge police over here and kick your butts every time you guys use sexist terms like c*nt, whore, slut etc. The fact that I don't rise up and whup you all upside the head for that means to Grammie that I condone it. For the record: I don't condone it. I have taken people to task for that stuff on the mains, but as far as I'm concerned the Dollar Dollies can fight their own battles. I am certainly not going to fight them for THEM!!!!  
Notably, Grammie didn't say boo when FoxFan called me something really gross the other day. I guess her moral outrage only runs in one direction!  
G'nite! Posted by: pegleg peggy on Fri 3.20 8:29pm
April 10, 2009, 6:33:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

That's the post. Thanks, Vstol!
It is so emblematic of her ability to reason that she says that even though she doesn't condone such terms, she's not going to chide them for using them, because they're directed against Grammie and me, AND then she accuses Grammie of having a one-sided sense of morality!
April 10, 2009, 7:01:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply

That's the post. Thanks, Vstol!
It is so emblematic of her ability to reason that she says that even though she doesn't condone such terms, she's not going to chide them for using them, because they're directed against Grammie and me, AND then she accuses Grammie of having a one-sided sense of morality!
Cecelia | 04.10.09 - 7:06 pm | #  
Just in case you all missed this that I posted on The Johnny Dollar Official Homage Site she was completely wrong in that comment and in another taking Cecelia and I especially to task for ONLY objecting for self interest.
"Sorry for the delay, Pegleg, but it took a little while to find what I said at the time I found out what the term meant. It was not simply a lament that it was inappropriate:
You're right. I had to look it up.
Pegleg has a valid gripe FF. I am sure if Johnny knew its meaning he would not have let it stand.
I assumed you were just making a play with a silly sound alike sound not using an actual word.
FF, you were wrong and should apologize to not only Pegleg but we other ladies also at a minimum.
Grammie | 03.21.09 - 12:12 am | #"
Later on Cecelia added this:
"FF, I second Grammie's admonishment.
Uncalled for. Unnecessary. Uncool.
Cecelia | 03.21.09 - 2:19 am | #"
I do believe you were mistaken, Pegleg.
Posted by: Grammie on Thu 4.9 5:27pm "
To her credit Pegleg did acknowledge her error although it was skeptical and begruding. As she said with her great big caveat "if that is indeed the case the good on ya.":
"Now Pegleg knows that I did call down FF, said it was wrong and that he owed an apology to Pegleg and any other ladies at a minimum.
No I did not know that, and if that is indeed the case the good on ya. I beleve in giving credit where credit is due, unlike most of the people over at The Dark Site who prefer to think that liberals in general and anyone from NH in particular are guilty until proven innocent. and that when we tell the truth we are lying no matter what.
And as for this:
However, as far as Pegleg is concerned her long screed comparing Cecelia and I to the the stereotypical Irish rectory house keeper actually his mistress was not the first time she alluded to such re us."
Damn right, and I stand over that, not in terms of any sexual allusions but because you act like Dollar's guard dogs. Bite first, no questions asked.
Posted by: pegleg peggy on Thu 4.9 7:11pm "
Although I did not address it then or later Pegleg claims she also did the same re Patrick BUT IN PRIVATE b/c she didn't want to give any of we evil J$ regulars any satisfation.
NB Pegleg - You are deluded if you think that calling down MW in private excuses all the times you very publicly strolled on by and even engaged him/them while such was a ubiquitous refrain in MW's and several others every comment.
April 11, 2009, 12:00:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Is Pegleg now the offical spokesperson for News Hounds?
Can't these cowards come out from under their rocks and speak for themselves?
I noticed the other day someone wrote that J$ "outed" Ellen. Hell, I didn't even know she was gay. Can't Ellen speak for herself?
April 11, 2009, 3:01:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
They're claiming I 'outed' her because I used her last name and showed her photo. As if her photo wasn't sitting right there on the internet, a photo she herself posed for. And as if her last name was a deep dark secret (it's even listed in imdb and can be found in dozens of places on the web.
April 11, 2009, 3:15:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
Johnny, I think you found a new picture to use for Ellen.
April 11, 2009, 3:54:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I didn't spot that. You get the credit, FF. Interesting photo.
April 11, 2009, 4:11:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I don't think the implication, even in the form of a question, that Peg is "the official Spokesperson of NH" is fair, anymore than what myself and many others have been referred to by the yelping pups of the pound.
April 11, 2009, 7:48:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply

When the NH Mod posted, "The guiding principle of the Off-Topic Forum is “for whatever you want – within reason.” Indiscriminately throwing personal accusations at others because of ideological disagreements, or speculation about what those individuals may or may not say or have said, in other places under other ostensible names, or even because you just don’t like the way the words are arranged in their posts on any given day, is NOT remotely “within reason.”  
That's part of what got "Michael Weston" - who is NOT "David Troyer," for the conspiracy theorists hereabouts - the boot.  
Rein it in, people.  
Posted by: Siobhan on Sat 4.11 2:31am  
Technically, Siobhan is correct about Michael Weston. The liar who formerly posted under the name "Michael Weston" wasn't Michael Weston. He was and is Patrick Heckman. And contrary to what Siobhan says, Patrick Heckman, despite getting "the boot," is currently posting on the NH OT J$ thread under the newly minted moniker of "David Troyer."  
As a follow up, it doesn't appear Siobhan's admonition to "Rein it in, people," has had the desired effect. John t, being cast from the same mold as Patrick could find it next to impossible to comply.
April 11, 2009, 11:22:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Do you suppose that Ellen's banning of Weston was just for show? That she's knowingly letting him post under a new name?
April 11, 2009, 11:39:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I could be wrong, but I don't think so.  
He was an embarrassment in a place that seemingly wasn't capable of being embarrassed but because it was finally coming under some outside scrutiny, he was booted as a PR ploy.
His use of multiple IP addys is well documented. His MO of entering softly and snorting around before going bersek is classical behavior of the type, though it's been taking less and less time for the pot to boil.
The scorpion and the frog comes to mind.
April 12, 2009, 12:28:42 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks
FF and Johnny, a warning on the pic would have been nice....a disclaimer maybe. :o(
April 12, 2009, 12:39:18 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Do you suppose that Ellen's banning of Weston was just for show? That she's knowingly letting him post under a new name?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 04.11.09 - 11:44 pm | #  
If anyone over there at NH has not realized that David Troyer is Weston, they are an absolute idiot.
The little feller just can't get enough of J$P.
April 12, 2009, 10:56:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply