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Wednesday Links and Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:

Tuesday's numbers: FNC crushes rivals!

Video: CNN disses FNC, Shep responds.

Gutfeld slams Shuster. Video: Gabelli disses CNBC.

Bauder on Beck.

Q&A: Hannity, Liz Claman.

NewsCorp shares.

Hotline after dark. Vote: Bret v Brian

Dumbed-down news. Tea party tiff: more.

Hume in Tuscaloosa. Zakaria in Alliance and Norman.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




puck30
Journalistic Objectivity Lesson From Chet Huntley.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ViBf2Riqqo
 
Wow Johnny! How things have changed!
April 15, 2009, 1:26:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
The "Tea Party tiff" is not so much a look at the state of the political mood of the country as it is a cable news microcosm of the state of the media.
 
Yellow journalism, advocacy journalism, propaganda and biased reporting have been around longer than the printing press, longer than the town crier. They are alive and well today, in every medium of journalism.
 
The media's treatment, and for the purpose of today's class, the treatment by cable news of the Tax Day Tea Party phenomonem, is an ideal venue to examine the uses and abuses of yellow journalism, advocacy journalism, propaganda and biased reporting. I will focus on two cable news outlets, FOX News and MSNBC TV for the purpose of this examination.
 
The Tea Party rallies are scheduled events, not unlike presidential debates or family reunions, campaign rallies or high school pep rallies, a Royal Wedding or Spring Break, a congressional hearing or a condo association meeting, a Presidential Inauguration or the Grand Opening of a new Jiffy Lube.
 
There are certain simple question asked at every news organazation regarding event coverage:
 
1. Is the event worthy of coverage? If so, ...
2. How will the event be covered? What resources will be allocated to cover the event?
3. What kind of reporting will be done before the event, during the event and after the event?
4. And finally, what is the story?
 
As the event has not yet occurred, only question #1 can be fully examined. Both MSNBC and FOX News have determined the Tea Parties are worthy of coverage.
 
A discussion of the remaining questions will begin next class.
April 15, 2009, 4:27:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
The media has been doing a lot of stories that essentially are obituaries of the Republican Party and conservatism in general, just as they did of the Democrats, when Republicans made a clean sweep of governorships and Washington.
 
I don't have a problem with these news articles. These deconstructions are only natural and even helpful in ascertaining what's mere hype from the real mood of the country, helping readers to separate the wheat from the chaff and to understand what "has legs" (to mix some metaphors).  
 
Republicans are essentially a political party without visual aids. There is no predominate political theme or person to point towards. We are in disarray.
 
THIS fact alone would be justification to the media for paying attention to the Tea Party stuff, were these shoes on the feet of Democrats and liberalism.  
 
Any sign of life in a weakened opposition would be significant in their minds, because opposition to any concentrated source of power is necessary and significant for obvious reasons.  
 
Cindy Sheehan and the anti-war movement was hardly ignored during the time that there was still majority support for the Iraq War. Sheehan and her supports hit every talk show, were given lengthly interviews, and were diligently reported upon hourly, during their encampment in Crawford, TX.
 
They were considered a flicker of life in an opposition movement. A flame worthy of time, discussion, reporting, and the fact that all these things cannot help but to breath life into a movement by informing a national audience, was considered a "So be it. Opposition to vast power is important" result, rather than a partisan strategy.
 
Again, were the shoe on the other foot, and a devastated Democratic Party and a diminished liberalism were rallying in dissent, you'd see massive coverage and lengthy exhortations that such things, even in small beginnings, are important in democracy.
 
They are. Full steam ahead.
April 15, 2009, 9:43:25 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Disgraced ex-gov of New York, Elliott Spitzer, was on Morning Joe this morning, connecting the dots with the economic collapse and deconstructing the stimulus package, with breathtaking clarity.
 
He went through everything from over-leverage in the banking industry to why a pork-filled prop-up of the status quo will get us nowhere.
 
I was especially intrigued to hear him offer an alternative to the old fashioned, political payback jobs program for the states, which consists of refurbishing a 'bridge or a road to nowhere' infrastructure plan.
 
Spitzer suggests assisting the auto industry (one of the few industries left in the country) by contracting with them for green cars, and then using "jobs" money in funding the charging stations and other infrastructure to support THAT.
April 15, 2009, 10:01:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Maddow once again falls to third on Monday, behind Larry "no need for UNISOM" King.
 
Her twisted tawdry teabagging tutorials continued that evening....I am surprised that was not a success in the ratings race in and of itself!
 
Even Shuster got deeper into the double entendre...."DICK ARMEY" (ha, ha, he said dick army in taling about teabagging!)....Lookie at his ratings in the demo....Well behind Girl Scout cookie addict Nancy Grace.
 
MSNBC....NBC NEWS....class acts!

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April 15, 2009, 10:56:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
I will be offline for a few hours.
April 15, 2009, 11:13:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Will Bill O'reilly compare the teabag protesters to child molesters like he did during the G20 protests?
April 15, 2009, 11:55:39 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Love the Gutfield article. He's right, MSNBC really seems to have lowered itself to testicle jokes. 8th Grade humor for its viewers.
 
Are FNC's consistently superior ratings any surprise? Of course not.
April 15, 2009, 3:30:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Will Bill O'reilly compare the teabag protesters to child molesters like he did during the G20 protests?
Haggis | 04.15.09 - 12:00 pm | #  
 
Well, if the Tea Party protestors start getting violent, engaging in arson, burglarizing businesses, creating property damage just like the G20 protestors did....perhaps he should.
 
Please let me know how that works out.
April 15, 2009, 3:35:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Will Bill O'reilly compare the teabag protesters to child molesters like he did during the G20 protests?
Haggis | 04.15.09 - 12:00 pm | #  
 
Not likely since you're comparing firecrackers to nukes.
April 15, 2009, 4:04:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Not likely since you're comparing firecrackers to nukes.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 04.15.09 - 4:09 pm | #  
 
Leave it to Haggis to feebly attempt to equate peaceful protestors concerned about taxes and government spending, with violent criminal thugs.
 
But that's Haggis.
April 15, 2009, 4:14:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
with violent criminal thugs.
Ashley | 04.15.09 - 4:19 pm | #  
 
Any proof for that claim?
April 15, 2009, 4:26:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Haggis
Lets hope Cavuto gives us some comparisons on the numbers at his tea party event and the numbers he saw while reporting on the million man march.
April 15, 2009, 4:36:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
while reporting on the million man march.
Haggis | 04.15.09 - 4:41 pm | #  
 
Cavuto covered the 'million more' man march.
April 15, 2009, 4:49:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Any proof for that claim?
Haggis | 04.15.09 - 4:31 pm | #  
 
You mean olbermann or tp didn't do big specials on it? Shocker!
April 15, 2009, 4:50:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, Haggis, are you back from your efforts with trolling blogs discussing the tea bag protests?
April 15, 2009, 5:15:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Haggis 4:31
 
Haggy, are you claiming not to know of the violence from the G20 protesters?
 
How could you possibly miss that?
April 15, 2009, 5:28:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
I have scanned some of the tax /big spending protests today and haven't noticed anyone tossing fake blood around or setting cars on fire or breaking windows or throwing things at the police.
 
I suppose these things only happen when the "poor" and "less fortunate" losers get together with their lefty friends in a display of total ignorance and self righteousness.
April 15, 2009, 5:29:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
I'm like most people. I had no idea that tea bagging was slang for anything other than the act of making a bad cup of tea.
 
The Dumbed Downed news link above, contains another link to a Bob Somersby piece on how he thinks the over the top shameless double entendre by David Shuster and Rachel Maddow was a GE corporate decision. Please read it.
 
THIS is analysis from a liberal.
 
We knew Shuster and Anderson Cooper are liberals, did we have any clue as to how utterly disdainful they are towards the Right?
April 15, 2009, 5:33:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
That CNN reporter was very unprofessional. She asked an open ended question....Why...As he was explaining his personal inspiration to why he came out for the protest, she cut him off with the left's retort of the puny $400 tax credit and then the stimulus money going to Illinois that is now a loan his child will have to pay off.
 
Goodness. No wonder we see the ratings going as they are for MSNBC and CNN. Thoughtful people know advocacy when they see it and respond accordingly.
 
Oh, and Haggis....Mr. O'Reilly is too classy to do ANYTHING as pathetic as what Olbermann, Shuster and Maddow have been doing with regards to the "tea-bagging" references. It is interesting that the party of Bill Clinton gets such adolescent giggles from the connection and feel normal working Americans would even ponder such humor.
 
Do you recall (if not, then google it), Beavis and Butt-Head? One of the many gifts (sarcasm) 1990's MTV granted to our popular culture.....("heh, heh, he said tea bagging....heh, heh").......Replace Butt-Head with Rachel Maddow and Beavis with Ana Marie Cox from MSNBC this week.....Perfect match!

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April 15, 2009, 5:41:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ZoneDaiatlas
During the Tea Party protstest on Tax Day 2009, Susan Roesgen complained that a sign that showed Obama dressed as Hitler as being offensive. However, in January 2006 at a protest, she joked about a protester who wore a George W. Bush mask with a Hitler moustache and devil horns.
 
Where was Susan Roesgen when Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews, John Cafferty, Bill Maher, Hollywood and the Far Left called President Bush a Fascist and a Nazis? Where was the frickin outrage?
April 15, 2009, 6:09:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


2008
"No wonder we see the ratings going as they are for MSNBC and CNN. Thoughtful people know advocacy when they see it and respond accordingly."
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Exactly. I love the way Shep laughed off the childish smear from the sinking CNN and company. Thank God for Fox and the true reporting of the facts!
April 15, 2009, 6:57:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Stunning ratings.
 
Beck-Baier-Smith-BOR-Hannity-GVS ALL beat CNN and MSNBC combined in the demo, and combined in the overall.
 
And, as expected, the ratings for the BOR rerun BEAT KO's live first run.
 
Perhaps the hounds were right the other day when they claimed that FNC was no longer a threat.
 
I guess they were talking about second and third place. FNC is no longer a threat to take the 2nde or 3rd place spot away from those weak news organizations.
April 15, 2009, 7:00:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Got my speakers up and going last night and just watched Puck's youtube link!
 
What a great one!  
 
How poignant to see the tragic, brilliant, fragile peacock Janice Joplin.  
 
There she was going at it with Raquel Welch. You could almost see Welch thinking -- "And you people think that I'm just miniskirts and cleavage..."  
 
And there was surprisingly animated Chet Huntley-- the face of CBS News, engaged with fielding the "counter-culture" questions via Joplin.
 
I'm going to have to rent some Dick Cavett shows if they're available. I hope they all had such a great eclectic mix of guests!
April 15, 2009, 7:01:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Exactly. I love the way Shep laughed off the childish smear from the sinking CNN and company. Thank God for Fox and the true reporting of the facts!
2008 | 04.15.09 - 7:02 pm | #  
 
The left-wing reporters are so angry over the tea parties. Apparently, they (and many others on the left) do not approve of law abiding citizens engaging in legal acts of protest. This must be that "Chill Wind" that Tim Robbins was complaining about a few years back.
April 15, 2009, 7:03:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
ZD, I'll bet that Rev. Herr Olbermann will bring that up on tonight's "Countdown." It all depends on whether a blue blog posted about it or not.
April 15, 2009, 7:04:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


2008
The left-wing reporters are so angry over the tea parties. Apparently, they (and many others on the left) do not approve of law abiding citizens engaging in legal acts of protest. Ashley | 04.15.09 - 7:08 pm | #  
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Funny how unhinged some are that Fox is actually covering the protests in a fair and balanced manner. The citizens expressing their views come from both the left and the right. Fox shows accurate coverage of the events while others seem determined to try and 'cover it up'.
April 15, 2009, 7:11:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


tony
You gotta love the left. They are all for freedom of speech......as long as you agree with THEM.
April 15, 2009, 7:14:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
I'm going to have to rent some Dick Cavett shows if they're available. I hope they all had such a great eclectic mix of guests!
Cecelia | 04.15.09 - 7:06 pm | #  
 
Cavett is very good at interviewing. He has a talent to make an interview with ANYONE seem interesting.
April 15, 2009, 7:18:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Thanks for the tip to Somersby, Cecelia.
 
That is as scathing a piece as I've ever read. I guess it should be expected that it would come from someone who shares their politics but is desparately embarrassed by such unbelievably outrageous behavior.
 
My favorite phrase from the article:
 
"to these defectives"
 
That is a description that even their mothers could agree with.
April 15, 2009, 7:26:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
" This must be that "Chill Wind" that Tim Robbins was complaining about a few years back."
 
I saw that speech too, Ashley.
 
Tim Robbins speaking publicly while being broadcast nationally whining about Bush and his "chiiiiiiiiiiiill wind of feaaaaaaaar" blowing thru the land.
 
What a hoot that was.
 
The gentleman Susan R questioned was answering in an elevated voice as no doubt he had to to be heard. She was the one who cut him off screaming that he really didn't know why he "personally" came which was her question.
 
Everytime the poor guy tried to get a word in edgewise she shouted him down. When he still tried to get his say she stormed off complaining that she was being terrorized.
 
Is there anything that CNN won't do to prop up their favored admin?
April 15, 2009, 7:38:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
A very good day for great links, along with the Cavett clip....Gutfeld gets the gold star, though.....
 
"And so you have Cooper's joke – it's just a shame he ripped off the shtick from David Shuster, who apparently has never met a joke he hasn't beat to death like a hunter on a harp seal. On MSNBC, Shuster repeats testicle-based puns with a fervent relish not unlike an eight-year old boy who just can't stop sniffing his fingers. And, this, coming from me. I'm mean – I always thought I was the king of obvious jokes, but I relinquish that crown – because the real obvious joke is Shuster."
April 15, 2009, 7:59:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
When Dennis Miller clicks he really rocks. He really rocked tonight.
 
I'm still laughing over the thought of Robert Gibbs with an eye patch going Arrgh with a parrot on his soldier saying "Polly wants a Somali".
 
Could that have been also a backhanded swipe at KO and his repulsive pirate voice?
April 15, 2009, 9:32:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm surprised some people have never heard of teabagging. Then again, we had to define smegma too...  
 
Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's that multipage list of sexual activities definitions the team lead at my work gives to all new employees to memorize.  
 
The angry pirates would be playing a sad tune on a rusty trombone if they knew what their name implies!
April 15, 2009, 9:32:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
"Somali want a cracker."
April 15, 2009, 11:51:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
" "Somali want a cracker."
Mike C. | Homepage | 04.15.09 - 11:56 pm | # "
 
Thanks, Mike. I'm lucky to have you when a big senior moment hits.
 
I just came across this link at TV Newser by SeattleFan:
 
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=YmI4Y2ZkODE2MzA0NzA1YjVjZjE3M2RhNGJhN2UzOWQ=
 
It seems that Susan R's performance today is just one in a long line of screw ups.
April 16, 2009, 12:34:06 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
It seems that Susan R's performance today is just one in a long line of screw ups.
Grammie | 04.16.09 - 12:39 am | #  
 
That reporter was terrible. I dare anyone to now claim that there is no liberal bias in the press.
April 16, 2009, 8:11:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Blackflon
The leftists were upset that no one was torching cars and breaking glass at the Tax rallies.
 
They wanted so bad for these kind of things to happen. I guess they will have to settle for lying and distorting. That is their usual MO.
April 16, 2009, 8:22:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Greg Gutfeld used the Gregalogue that was linked to in yesterday's thread on last night's "Red Eye." It featured clips of Anderson Cooper and David Shuster making the lewd "teab***ing [Ding!]" cracks. Do you have the video, Johnny, so you can post it here and/or at OlbyWatch?
April 16, 2009, 12:01:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Ashley
Based on the comments from David Schuster, it's fairly obvious why Anderson Cooper finds it difficult to talk while teabagging.
April 16, 2009, 12:32:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply