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Tuesday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [8:07 pm]:

The Strategy Room streaming live. TV Newser live blog.

NBC insider slams Olbermann's Kos connection.

MSNBC jumps the gun.

Alan's hate mail [language].

The McClellan Factor reax: Jossip, HuffPo, Washington Post.

Tonight's coverage.

Hotline quotes.

Monday's numbers. Weekend numbers.

Raman resigns.

Q&A: Jeffrey Toobin.

MSNBC's cellar girl.

Primaries boost cablers. Bohrman's take.

The quest for Courtney.

CNN Digital's coup.

A new player?

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




Mike C.
That segment with Jackie Mason was hilarious yesterday. I watched it late in the afternoon on my DVR. He's funny everywhere he goes. My mom and I are trying to get tickets to see his Broadway show.
I just bet that Cablevision will add Planet Green some time this month. They always add those kinds of channels. While FBN, et al., are blown off. Today's the day some Cablevision channels move solely to digital cable, no longer available on analog.
Off to bed. It's been a long day. Thank goodness my computer is working again (knock on wood!).
June 3, 2008, 1:17:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
I was disappointed with the interview between Cavuto and Ms Christian. I wanted him to probe her on her thoughts of the inadequecies of Obama..
June 3, 2008, 1:27:48 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
A 'new player', "Planet Green"
 
" the approach may initially seem jarring to committed environmentalists, or the "dark green" community. But she believes most will see this as the best way to get their message across to the most people."
 
I would have to agree with that assessment. Though my personal tastes run to hard science,I recognize that most people don't want to think that hard while watching TV.
 
As a commerciqal venture,perhaps they will succeed,but they leave themselves open to anti-environmentalism attacks based on celebrity bashing.
 
Consider Global Warming.For decades,scientists have been measuring and analyzing vast amounts of observable data.Then along comes Al Gore.
 
Suddenly the science is ignored,and the issue is cast as a debate about Mr Gore's transportation choices.Never mind the Climate Modeling that has been pursued and refined for 20 years;did Gore use a bit of hyperbola in his film.
 
"The Cable Gamer suspects that's billed as "eco-tainment" will turn out to be, in fact, lefty-greeny propaganda."
 
See,it's already started.
June 3, 2008, 7:44:07 AM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
"The Cable Gamer suspects that's billed as "eco-tainment" will turn out to be, in fact, lefty-greeny propaganda."
 
Perfect!
June 3, 2008, 9:37:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Regarding the bombshell, only a undisciplined Republican would put anything out now regarding SNOBamessiah's ties with radicals like Farrakhan, and I hope it does not happen. Again, normal people (the independents) are not paying attention and the democrats could still nominate Clinton before the convention. This material should be held until after the DNC to insure the nominee is SNOBamessiah.
 
The time to speak to the truth of SNOBamessiah's biography is not when the media is following the coronation line. The smart thing to do is to let the high of the end of the primary occur, allow the VP's to be in place, allow the silliness of the conventions pass and then put out the information when the normal voter is finally engaged.
June 3, 2008, 10:14:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


FNCFan20
Greg Kelly's been anchoring on WNYW again yesterday and today.
June 3, 2008, 10:19:14 AM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
In 2004, Senator Obama was on a return flight from Boston to Chicago, and when he went to the restroom, he passed a woman whose neighbor is the mother of a woman who married a man who, as a student, voted Socialist Workers' Party in the 1972 presidential election. He made inadvertent eye contact and nodded to the woman. O'Hannity will begin referring to this as "Obama's Putative Red Connection". This information will rock the election.
June 3, 2008, 11:05:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Thanks, philby!
June 3, 2008, 11:46:45 AM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
On the Mark,
 
I think you are indulging in some wishful thinking. If only all of Obama's problems were so easily to explain and dismiss.
June 3, 2008, 12:02:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
philby is trying to make light of her very seriously flawed candidate, obama.
June 3, 2008, 12:20:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
OS, Mark is a guy. I disagree with him, but I'm defending him here.
June 3, 2008, 12:29:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Defending him by making sure nobody implies he's somebody else or another gender.
June 3, 2008, 12:29:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
OS, Mark is a guy.
 
Proof? On second thought, that could lead to tmi.
June 3, 2008, 12:44:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Proof is I've been in e-mail contact with him. His contact name that shows up in my inbox is of the male gender.
June 3, 2008, 12:47:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I guess it's official: Kinky Friedman is gone from "The Factor." Mary Katharine Ham took his place in the weekly segment with Juan Williams. I'll miss Kinky (unless he turned against BOR/FNC), but I'm glad for MKH, who's now a Fox News Analyst.
June 3, 2008, 1:15:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
Of course, Danny (and Mike), Senator Obama has problems, issues, reasons we shouldn't vote for him. Senator McCain does as well. All candidates do. I simply find it interesting that so many Republicans vouch for the purity and perfection of Reagan and Bush II, own up to some minor flaws with McCain, but hold Obama up to some standard of perfection no one could meet.
 
And, the ridiculousness of Hannity's (and others') on-going smear campaign! In the repetitiveness, ugliness and silliness of his attacks, Hannity makes Olbermann appear to be a rank amateur.
June 3, 2008, 1:36:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
That Obama is clearly in the grip of Marxist racists is of no concern of OTM.
June 3, 2008, 1:56:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
Among Obama's many flaws and errors of judgment, Vince, are not:
 
A personal Marxist view.
A committment to Marxists.
Racism.
 
So, indeed, I am not concerned.
 
I am far more concerned with media personalities who distort Obama's view and slander him as a Marxist, a supporter of Marxists and a racist.
 
I am concerned as well with a strong undercurrent of racism permeating so much of our society, including the media and the blogs. In the latter, however, Vince, I do not count you as one of the handful of racists on this blog.
June 3, 2008, 2:15:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
Of course he's Marxist... his entire pre-Senate career was spent swiming in the pool of Marxism and Marxists.
 
His so-called church is founded on a Marxist-informed theology.
 
Marxists love him.
 
Che flags make frequent appearances in his campaign and volunteer offices.
 
He has contempt for regular people, he was contempt for the Flag of the United States of America, and he has contempt for America itself.
 
His mother was a Communist.
 
And yes, he's a racist. He brings his daughters to a racist church that tells you his values.  
 
In fact, one has to be so incredibly willfully blind to not come to the conclusion of who B Hussien Obama really is.
June 3, 2008, 2:31:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Let's not get sidetracked into whether he's a Marxist or his Mom or flags or stuff. Remember, this is a blog about cable news, so please try to give your posts some relevance in that direction. Thank you so much.
June 3, 2008, 2:33:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
It was announced at the end of "The Radio Factor" that the "The O'Reilly Factor" has been pre-empted for tonight. There may be breaking news happening in the 8:00 hour. So, BOR will let "Hume and the boys" (his words, if I remember correctly from 40 minutes ago; I'm paraphrasing) handle that.
June 3, 2008, 2:36:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You are correct; no O'Reilly tonight. Brit will start at 8:00 pm.
June 3, 2008, 2:42:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
Kinky gone from the Factor? How about that.What did an old crank (I mean that in the best sense) do there anyway? I would have thought his views would be far too unpredictable.
 
I like Kinky.I've read a few of his books (light,but a fun read),and have an album of his from his days with the Texas Jew Boys.
June 3, 2008, 2:47:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


DeeKay
re: Planet Green, for those interested -- I *think* I read someplace that one of the Discovery Channels (Discovery Health? one of the others, I cannot recall which) will be transitioning over to Planet Green, so it's not so much a new channel, as a new format.
June 3, 2008, 3:01:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
From: jim
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2008 9:27 PM
To: Alan
Subject: Ben Jones
 
"[expletive] you and the this stupid son of a bitch. He was a dumb son of a bitch as cooter and even dumber in real life. Some one should cut both of your damn throats you sickening sons of biches."
 
http://liberalland.com/2008/06/03/i-am-hot-stuff/
 
I do hope Bill O'Reilly will speaks out about this hate speech towards a fellow worker and a guest...But he wont...There is no hate speech on the Right in Bill O'Reilly's world.

Edited By Siteowner
June 3, 2008, 3:18:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
After the Kentucky/Oregon primaries, I watched "After Hours" on MSNBC. I'm not sure I'm sold on the concept, but I intend to tune in again to see. A healthy dose of Chuck Todd, after some time to reflect and to analyze, a relaxed atmoshpere and a really good, well, at least, passable jazz band. I recommend a view if you're in for some different viewing. Hume and Kristol will be tucked away in their respective beds by that time, so hard core FNC folks won't miss anything.
June 3, 2008, 3:19:56 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Tim Russert is reported as upset over sitting across from kos kid (old man) Olbermann? The bomb thrower is not a good journalist with good questions and analysis that Mr. "If it's Sunday morning..." can feed off from and look good? Too bad. NBC NEWS has decided to meld commentary, partisanship and hard news. They'll have to live with it.
June 3, 2008, 3:28:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
OTM,
 
His sitting in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years is enough reason to worry about his character.
 
The pastor of a church makes a huge impact on his congregants. The Scriptures he decides to emphasize, stories he may tell regarding the application of those Scriptures to everyday life and how he and others may have been delivered from bad actions are all things that we absorb as we sit in church, And unless we fall totally asleep, we'd typically adopt these life lessons into our character at some point.  
 
In my case, I didn't have the best upbringing, and had many bad attitudes as a result. I credit a preacher whose church I attended for several years as turning my life outlook and character around (in a positive way).
 
Re: Rev. Wright's soundbites. Even if he only spoke that way 1% of the time, it is detrimental enough to give Obama or any other chuchgoers a sense that "whitey" has done the black man wrong BIG TIME! And I cannot help but think that thought pervades the feeling of the whole church.
 
So do we really want a guy who has been indoctrinated against the majority of the U.S. to be our president? And if by chance he does NOT feel that way, why would he waste his time in a church like that for 20 years listening to this garbage? It's not like TUCC was the only church in Chicago!
June 3, 2008, 3:33:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
Sorry; I just realized I strayed from the cable news theme. But thank God Hannity, via Erik Rush, brought this to light. For the longest time, the MSM did not seem interested, and I never thought the country would hear of Obama and his church..
June 3, 2008, 3:36:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
Vince, who is "Ms. Christian" that Cavuto interviewed? And how did the discussion go?
June 3, 2008, 3:38:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
You can see it here:
 
http://tinyurl.com/5u9ytq
 
She's a rather fiery Clinton supporter who created something of a ruckus at the DNC.
June 3, 2008, 3:47:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply


HaggisFarmer
Bill certainly showed his true colours last night, interviewing McClellan.
June 3, 2008, 3:56:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
If you see something on Hannity, Missy, you can be sure that it is rather old news. He is most assuredly not an investigative reporter, and he is extraordinarily lazy when it comes to show prep. Rather obviously, he reads none of the books being hawked. This story is as old as the sandwiches at 7-11.
 
You have obviously drawn your conclusion, based upon Hannity's ace-reporting, I gather, and that is fine. I only hope that you factor in that McCain, an "unbaptized Christian," as if there could be such a thing since baptism is properly referred to as The Rite of Christian Initiation, has actively sought out and accepted the endorsements of some of the biggest scoundrels in Christendom.
 
The lesson, it seems to me, is to keep that line between Church and state rather clear.
June 3, 2008, 3:59:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
Missy and Johnny: Mrs. Christian is rather amusing to watch. I was actually in a local cantina/grill when she was "interviewed," not an appropriate term since she rather erupts instead of responds, and it was all great fun. When Mrs. Christian said she was from New York, the local yokels, my friends and neighbors, all hooted and hollered things like:
 
"Surprises the hell out of me."
"Who would have thought?"
"What part of Long Island?"
 
One of the more enjoyable moments of primary coverage, to be sure. I recommend the clip highly.
June 3, 2008, 4:04:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
Mrs Christian has revealed the fault lines in the Democratic Party. The ones who have thier wits with them still will be voting for McCain.
June 3, 2008, 4:09:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Long Island?
June 3, 2008, 4:14:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
His contact name that shows up in my inbox is of the male gender.
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 12:52 pm | #  
 
If mine said John Wayne would you believe it was actually Johne Wayne?
June 3, 2008, 4:21:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
I know, philby, I made a typo.
June 3, 2008, 4:22:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
I suggest you read something about Harriet Christian before you take her as emblematic of some fissure in the Democratic party. If Ms. Christian does, in fact, vote for Senator McCain, I would say it means the Democratic party is doing something very well indeed.
June 3, 2008, 4:23:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Yeah, the Democratic party is doing "something," it permits sexist and racist attacks as part of their political process. Mrs. Christian expresses her opinion about how HRC was treated and the 50.05% of the democrat primary voters, like OTM, ignore her claims.
 
Oh the bad behavior of the self-rightous left is just so fun to watch!
 
I suppose she can join the former VP  
nominee, Ms. Ferraro, in the street, eh OTM?
 
Again, Long Island, OTM?....Where do you get that?
June 3, 2008, 4:36:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
On the Mark,
 
Awww baloney. If you are talking about Hagee, I think he has been given a bad rap by liberals. Liberal propagandists have been trying desperately to dredge up a bad pastor for McCain to somehow match the dirty rotten pastoral scoundrels with whom Obama is associated: namely, Wright, Pfleger, and Farrakhan.
 
Never mind the fact that Obama has had a really close association with Wright . . . called him is close friend . . . his mentor . . . someone like an uncle etc. While McCain has never been to Hagge's church. Just asked for his vote and to recommend McCain to others.
 
Hagee is not nearly as bad as Wright Pfeger and Farrakhan. Yes he made some intemperate statements about Catholics, for which he has apologized (When did Wright and Farrakhan apologize about anything?).
 
His statement about God's using the Holocaust to accomplish his purposes has been ignorantly twisted into anti semitic statement condoning the Holocaust by those who know nothing about about Christian theology and by those who do not care to examine what Hagee really said.
 
At the core of Christian theology is the idea that God can bring good out of even the greatest evil. Christians are taught that the crucifixion of Christ is the greatest evil that has ever happened. God hated the crucifixion. Christians recite a creed that says Jesus suffered under Pontius Pilate. Judas, the betrayer, is vilified and is said to have gotten his just deserts when he hung himself, dying alone and despised by all.  
 
Yet Christianity says that God brought a great good out of the evil these men did . . . atonement for sins . . . pathway to salvation.
 
Hagee absolutely does not approve of the Holocaust. He has said the he is working to make sure that nothing like that happens again. He condemns the Holocaust as being absolutely evil. He does not even say that the Jewish people got their just deserts or that their "chickens came home to roost" when they endured the Holocaust.
 
What Hagee says is that God was able to bring about good from the Holocaust and from that great evil, God was able to replant the nation of Israel.
 
Many Jewish leaders have said that their theologians agree with Hagee on this theological point. There is nothing wrong with this statement that libs have chosen to vilify. Compared to Wright, Farrakhan, and Pfleger, Hagee is far from being a scoundrel . . . compared to that unholy threesome Hagee is a great saint.
June 3, 2008, 4:45:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
A cantina ---
 
None of the patrons knows the difference between a Long Islander and a mongoose. The reason New York exists to this crowd is to broadcast television signals into New Jersey. That's the whole point. A comic figure. If they knew her, it wouldn't be amusing.
June 3, 2008, 4:48:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
OTM, McCain was my ninth choice (out of a field of nine) for the Republican nominee. So I don't have a whole lot of nice things to say about him.
 
As I've written elsewhere, Hagee and Parsley are fundamentalist preachers who take the Bible literally. McCain, mostly everyone on cable news and probably most of the country don't know that (because they don't know the Bible), and much of what they preach is just Bible prophecy. But when literal Bible teaching is uttered here in the U.S. in 2008, the world interprets it as "hate".
 
If the Koran's teachings were blasted as much as the Bible's, every anti "hate speech" attorney in the world would be after these TV pundits. But since Christianity is not "protected" as is Islam, Hagee, Parsley et al will continue to be slammed by TV and media punditry.
June 3, 2008, 4:51:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
Interesting, Missy.
 
You ought to read something of the Rt. Rev. Nazir-Ali, Bishop of Rochester (C of E/UK). He writes of the decline of Anglicanism and Christianity in the UK, and the rise of social Islam. He is not completely my cup of tea, but he is brilliant, and he has some powerful insights. I think you might agree with him in much of what he says.
 
He is a favorite on the BBC, particularly some of the call-in shows.
 
BTW: You may have read the Bishop's works already, and I don't intend to be condescending in recommending him to you.
June 3, 2008, 5:02:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Oh, now I get it....ignorant patrons of a bar making assumptions....that's funny....I suppose her accent ties it all up in a nice neat package for some viewers.  
 
I noticed some similar comments on the YouTube site where the clip got so much attention. One was from a SNOBamessiah supporter who claimed, ""She's not white, she's a Jew." Nice. The bozo must think if you have a New York accent then you must be Jewish.  
 
That person probably learned this from watching Harvey Keitel play Judas in the "Last Temptation of Christ" and no doubt thinks everyone in Israel talks like that.
June 3, 2008, 5:04:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
(mumble...mumble...mumble...cablenews...mumble...mumble)
June 3, 2008, 5:06:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
don't intend to be condescending  
On The Mark | 06.03.08 - 5:07 pm | #
 
You? Who woulda thunk? Sarcasm cranked...
June 3, 2008, 5:12:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
I wonder if they'll have cable news while being raptured
June 3, 2008, 5:56:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Looks like hrc is taking SD. It has to be an obama/hillary ticket. The real fight will be who's on top. Pun intended.
June 3, 2008, 6:02:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
OS, I'm sure Obama is aware that it would always be Bill...
June 3, 2008, 6:48:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Bill will be on top, Hill in the middle and Hussein on the bottom. 
 
Gross! Mental image!
June 3, 2008, 7:09:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Fox Fan, just think of it as being an oreo pie rather than an oreo cookie... :D
June 3, 2008, 7:15:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olby sucks
Cecelia, On The Clucker will tag you as a racist for that! Button down the hatches and take cover...
June 3, 2008, 8:38:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Well, to disparage any person over the amount of pigment in their skin was certainly not my intent and I'd apologize if it were perceived that way.
June 3, 2008, 8:48:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Mike C. | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 1:22 am | 
 
I suggest you check out some modern comedians. George Carlin and Richard Prior would be a good start. I hear this new guy Sinbad is funny too but I'm not so sure.
 
The "What are you talking about" bit went away a long time ago. I morphed into "Have you ever noticed" which lasted about ten years as well. Now the biggest joke is the Bush adminstration. The unfortunate part is the its a killing joke and its really not that funny when put in perspective.
 
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June 3, 2008, 8:58:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Perfect!
olby sucks | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:42 am |
 
One thing that always puzzles me is when did fouling your own nest become a conservative value? I remember people like Barry Goldwater and he had respect for his environment. These days the far right is more like a party while the house burns crowd, like frat boys... naked pyramids and all.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:03:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Friendly reminder. This is not a site to debate conservative values. It is a site to discuss cable news.
June 3, 2008, 9:05:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
danny | 06.03.08 - 4:50 pm |
 
Danny you neglect to mention that McCain sought out Hagee's endorsement. 
 
The full truth will set you free my friend.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:07:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Friendly reminder. This is not a site to debate conservative values. It is a site to discuss cable news.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:10 pm 
 
Can you explain to me how one can seperate neoconservatism from Fox news? 
 
Please note that I did not say conservatism. Neoconservatism is much different. It veers very far from American conservatisem into fascism and all real Americans can see that and they reject it with a passion.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:11:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Crash,
 
Why do libs have the fanatical obsession with the environment to the detriment of working class people. People are suffering because of the rising gas prices to the point where it is threatening people's quality of live . . . especially the poor.
 
So, why don't we do the obvious? Why not increase supply of energy so the gas prices will be lower?
 
Why can't we drill in Anwar? Are the poor deer (that most of us will never see) going to suffer that much? Why not build more nuclear reactors? Why not drill off shore, and build more refineries? Why do you fanatical conservation conscious libs block the things that we should be doing to make ourselves less vulnerable to our Arab foes and increase the quality of life of our citizens?
 
It just makes no rational sense.
June 3, 2008, 9:12:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
OK I'm going to start acting if we keep on about neocons, reactors, and the like. Like the post says this is a thread to discuss cable news and not a political stream-of-consciousness smorgasboard.
June 3, 2008, 9:14:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
It is nice that you post the hate mail to Alan Colmes. I just hope that you do it for amusement due to the poster's rabid had of an oposing view.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:15:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
It just makes no rational sense.
danny | 06.03.08 - 9:17 pm 
 
It makes no sense because you fail to realize that gas prices are skyrocketing because of the weak dollar and the commodities market.
 
Educate yourself.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:17:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Sorry, I don't watch cable tv that much. Many times I connect from recent comments section and not the article. I do know that Hannity has adopted the motto drill now dirill more pay less. I assume he has mentioned that on his cable tv show. what I said can be looked as amplification of what Hannity is advocating. Will that work?
June 3, 2008, 9:18:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
OK I'm going to start acting if we keep on about neocons, reactors, and the like. Like the post says this is a thread to discuss cable news and not a political stream-of-consciousness smorgasboard.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:19 pm |
 
That sounds like a cop out because I am talking about events discussed on Fox news and they are a necon propaganda outlet. Mayhaps this has escaped your notice and I hope I can clear your mind.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:20:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> It is nice that you post the hate mail to Alan Colmes. I just hope that you do it for amusement due to the poster's rabid had of an oposing view.
 
I've been linking to Alan's hate mail posts for months now. I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to mean.
June 3, 2008, 9:20:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
I've been away from the computer for the past five hours. And considering how far off topic we've gone, what with a troll and all, I'm glad I haven't been here. I'll be back in the Wednesday thread. Good night.
June 3, 2008, 9:21:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> That sounds like a cop out because I am talking about events discussed on Fox news
 
Sorry that doesn't cut it. By that standard you could start talking about American Idol or the national debt. Stay on the topic of cable news. If that's not to your liking, then you are in the wrong place.
June 3, 2008, 9:21:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm always extremely disappointed when O'Reilly isn't on because of these democratic primaries. Can't Fox start the discussion at 9 or 7 and keep their top-rated host on? We all know who's the nominee anyways.
 
Rant finished.
June 3, 2008, 9:25:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
He was scheduled to be on but they had to start coverage earlier due to all the breaking news and McCain's speech.
June 3, 2008, 9:27:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Sorry, I don't watch cable tv that much.
 
danny | 06.03.08 - 9:23 pm |
 
One wonders why you are commenting on a site dedicated to cable news. Since you are not commenting on cable news I expect your comments to be deleted along with mine.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:27:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
I've been linking to Alan's hate mail posts for months now. I have no idea what your second sentence is supposed to mean.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:25 pm 
 
I mean that I hope you are posing about the silly posts instead of agreeing with the claerly silly posts.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:29:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 9:30 pm 
 
My guess is that they are worried that Mr O'Reilly will say something off script. The management at Fox News know that Mr O'Reilly is a loose cannon and he can go OT at the drop of a hat to defend his ego. 
 
Mr. O'Reilly is not a koolaid drinker like Mr. Hannity he is more like a sock puppet who will say whatever he thinks makes him popular. If Mr. O'Reilly had to survive on broadcast TV he could not compete in the politial arean he would have to go back the Hard Copy format. I see him on TMZ or the like.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:34:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I mean that I hope you are posing about the silly posts instead of agreeing with the claerly silly posts.
 
I link to anything cable news related that I find interesting. It has nothing to do with what I agree with or don't, which is as it should be because this blog is about cable news, not politics.
June 3, 2008, 9:37:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Crash Chloride | 06.03.08 - 9:39 pm 
 
Good gods what awful typing. Must be my lessdyxia flairing up.
 
I hope my meaning came acros though.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:37:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
I link to anything cable news related that I find interesting. It has nothing to do with what I agree with or don't, which is as it should be because this blog is about cable news, not politics.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:42 pm 
 
Can you post Mr. Hannity's and Mr. O'Reilly's hate mail too? I'd love to see it.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:40:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
NO I can't post their hate mail. It gets sent to them, not me. If they decide to put it on the internet, then I can link to it.
June 3, 2008, 9:43:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Johnny I just found a curious thing on your media site and I would like your response. 
 
When one looks at the bottom of your "Tuesdays Links and Open Thread" section you have the words "Use our valuable bandwidth to post your cable news comments in today's open thread". Yet some how you have curiously blacked out the link to Fox news. Why is this so???
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:46:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
I was just on the Fox new site which is associated with their cable news network. The big news is that Clinton won South Dakota. I am thinking that she was not supposed to win there. Am I right? How does Clinton keep coming up with these wins when the networks say the race is over?
June 3, 2008, 9:47:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
NO I can't post their hate mail. It gets sent to them, not me. If they decide to put it on the internet, then I can link to it.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:48 pm 
 
Does this mean that Allan Colmes hate mail is forwarded to you? 
 
Or are you saying that this is hatemail that you sent to Alan Colmes?
 
Please clear this up.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:48:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
danny | 06.03.08 - 9:52 pm |
 
You can find that answer by looking beyond the rightwing media.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:50:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Yet some how you have curiously blacked out the link to Fox news. Why is this so???
 
That's not a link to Fox News as you would have found had you clicked on it. It's a technorati tag. I put them in every post for indexing purposes. It's blacked out because the tags spoil the formatting of the article and they don't need to be visible to work.
June 3, 2008, 9:51:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Does this mean that Allan Colmes hate mail is forwarded to you? 
 
No.
June 3, 2008, 9:51:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Crash Chloride | 06.03.08 - 9:39 pm | #
 
Firstly, O'Reilly is not scripted. If you think he is, you must also think that all of his guests are scripted and the scripts are reflected off of his and his guests' eyes.
 
Second, O'Reilly would fit in on TMZ? Is he a conservative or not? I imagine you'd say yes, but then he couldn't fit into the TMZ format.
June 3, 2008, 9:53:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 9:56 pm |
 
Still the question begs.. why did you hide it. I don't clicking links from far right sites because I don't want to increase their traffic.
 
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June 3, 2008, 9:53:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
You do realize, Crash, that the Alan hate mail is available online. Nobody needs it fwd'd to their email, it's there for anyone to see. You should know this if you've been reading it for so long.
June 3, 2008, 9:56:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I think johnny explained why he hid the link already. It's there for function, not for you to click. And this is NOT a far-right site. Unless you're far-left, in which case any moderate site is far-right.
June 3, 2008, 9:57:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
How long are you going to let her play you for fools.
June 3, 2008, 9:58:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Still the question begs.. why did you hide it. I don't clicking links from far right sites because I don't want to increase their traffic.
 
This is not a far right site and I suggest you retract that statement or point out all the posts I have made on this blog that take a far right political point of view. You're very good at making charges but the documentation is a little thin. And I consider this a charge, and an attack on the honesty of this site. So back it up, or take it back.
June 3, 2008, 9:58:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Second, O'Reilly would fit in on TMZ? Is he a conservative or not? I imagine you'd say yes, but then he couldn't fit into the TMZ format.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 9:58 pm | 
 
If you don't think that Mr. Oreilly is reading from a script I would suggest you look at his eyse. Additionally if you think that any commentator doesn't use a script you are being willfully naive. I include Keith Olbermann in the script readers group as well. To think people just go on air and wing it is obtuse.
 
As for TMZ I would like to remind you that Mr O'Reilley was a host of Hard Copy which was a precursor to TMZ. Since you seem unfamiliar with Hard Copy I want to inform you that it was not like Entertainment Tonight. HC specialized in digging dirt on people, as does TMZ.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:00:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
I'm starting to agree with VinceP on Crash. I originally thought Crash was interested in honest discussion, but it has proven itself to be an accusatory entity in entirety.
 
I hope it can show itself to be something more, but I think it's trying to get banned/deleted so it can run back to whatever far-out site it came from to cheer about it.
June 3, 2008, 10:02:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 10:03 pm |
 
I would suggest that you look at your content. Your content is well invested in neocon media with a strong bias against anything that does not fit in the current administrations views and talking points. 
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:03:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Reading a script and glancing at topic notes are very different.
 
I've seen Hard Copy, O'Reilly's new show is much more natural for him that that old format.
June 3, 2008, 10:04:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
I hope it can show itself to be something more, but I think it's trying to get banned/deleted so it can run back to whatever far-out site it came from to cheer about it.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 10:07 pm |
 
Firsr off I undestand the attempt to marginalize me by calling me "it" but it is like water off a ducks back. 
 
Second I am honest and ernest in my discussion. If you cannot rebutt me I would appreciate you being honest.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:07:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
If Crash visited here more often, it would know that at least half of the visitors here don't even like O'Reilly's show.
June 3, 2008, 10:07:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
I've seen Hard Copy, O'Reilly's new show is much more natural for him that that old format.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 10:09 pm 
 
Yes, the gossip format is very old but it does endure. Infact its how Rupert Murdoch made his fortuen. Mr Murdoch knows that sline sells and he works it very wll with Fox News.
 
Thanks for helping me prove my point.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:09:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Firsr off I undestand the attempt to marginalize me...
Crash Chloride | 06.03.08 - 10:12 pm | #
 
Who's marginalizing you Crash? Introspect.
June 3, 2008, 10:10:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I would suggest that you look at your content.
 
No, I would suggest that YOU look at my content. You made the charge, pal. I've been writing posts for years so it ought to be easy for you to point to the posts where I take a far-right point of view. But you won't. Once again you toss out a charge, and then shrink away when asked to document it.
 
I'll make it easy for you. There aren't any.
June 3, 2008, 10:10:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
If Crash visited here more often, it would know that at least half of the visitors here don't even like O'Reilly's show.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 10:12 pm
 
I could believe that statement if I saw even one person comming out to condem Mr. O'Reilly. 
 
Nice try though
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:11:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Read up, Crash. Mike C, Cecelia, and other frequent posters here don't like him. 
 
I happen to be a fan, but hey, look at my name.
June 3, 2008, 10:13:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
I'll make it easy for you. There aren't any.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 10:15 pm 
 
I would expect a confident person to reply with examples. You seem to play defense on all my comments.
 
Mayhaps you should man up a bit.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:14:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
You did say johnny runs a "far right site". Where has he ever posted something here that suggests he is partisan? Should be easy if it's true.
 
"Man up", man.
June 3, 2008, 10:16:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> I would expect a confident person to reply with examples.
 
So would I. I'm waiting.
June 3, 2008, 10:18:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Read up, Crash. Mike C, Cecelia, and other frequent posters here don't like him. 
 
I happen to be a fan, but hey, look at my name.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 10:18 pm |
 
I searched on both names you mentioned and did not find them critizing Mr. O'Reilly on this post. Perhaps you could point them out to me.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:19:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
How did you search the Haloscan comments Crash? I'm pretty sure that's not possible. If you read the last few month's comments you would find them.
June 3, 2008, 10:22:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
All, I am going to go and watch Mr. Obama's speech and then head off to bed. I will say that his has been stimulating and I hope I opened a few minds. Remember you don't have to let the far right outlets form your opinions for you, you can read and watch items far and wide. 
 
I would also add that when you hear people tell you that they will tell you all you should know like Mr. Limbaugh you should beware. 
 
Free your mind, its the American way.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:24:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Ditto on that last sentence, Crash!
 
Enjoy the speech and sleep well.
June 3, 2008, 10:25:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
How did you search the Haloscan comments Crash? I'm pretty sure that's not possible. If you read the last few month's comments you would find them.
Fox Fan | 06.03.08 - 10:27 pm 
 
It's HTML Fox Fan, you can search any HTML page by using "Ctl F".
 
Sorry if I crushed your scam trying to call me out but I like to help educate people.
 
Night All
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:26:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> All, I am going to go and watch Mr. Obama's speech and then head off to bed.
 
Translation: I smeared J$P and when challenged could not provide one scrap of evidence to back up the smear.
 
Enjoy the speech.
June 3, 2008, 10:26:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
It's HTML Fox Fan, you can search any HTML page by using "Ctl F".
Sorry if I crushed your scam trying to call me out but I like to help educate people.
Crash Chloride | 06.03.08 - 10:31 pm | #
 
Uh, you're only searching that one webpage with that command Crash. Not all of the comments as I suggested. Sorry if I crushed your scam trying to call me out but I like to help educate people.
June 3, 2008, 10:28:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
Translation: I smeared J$P and when challenged could not provide one scrap of evidence to back up the smear.
 
Enjoy the speech.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 06.03.08 - 10:31 pm |
 
Translation: I jumped the gun and tired to spen a guys words when I thought he left but he hadn't yet.
 
Johny Johny... How do you sleep.
 
See you later.
 
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June 3, 2008, 10:29:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Crash Chloride
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June 3, 2008, 10:30:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
JOhnny,
 
you spen his words? wow!
June 3, 2008, 10:31:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Crash Chloride | 06.03.08 - 10:35 pm | #
 
You want to find the truth, go get it. It's there, I'm not wasting 15 minutes finding something I already know. Go educate yourself and stop calling other people lazy when it's the opposite that's proving to be true.
June 3, 2008, 10:33:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
What a Baraqstar!
June 3, 2008, 10:39:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Johnny,'
 
Was I off topic when I brought up the win in South Dakota?
June 3, 2008, 10:44:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Aeris Gainsborough
Olbermann's Inverview on Scott McClellan beat Bill O'Reilly's Interview, in ratings. It seems that Progressive TV is winning, over "Psychopathic" TV.
June 3, 2008, 10:45:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Please. McClellan was old hat by the time O'Reilly got ahold of him. He visited the far-left hosts first, exposed his story, and was done with. He'll be making a pretty penny off those audiences.
 
Check for new headlines about it tomorrow for proof that it's a dead story.
June 3, 2008, 10:47:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Actually, adding up the two showings of each program, Olbermann got about 2,100,000 viewers. O'Reilly got over 4,000,000. In fact O'Reilly's first broadcast got more viewers than Olby's two showings combined.
June 3, 2008, 10:51:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Fox Fan,
 
I hope you are right. But methinks there are those who will try to keep it alive as long as possible. Obama will no doubt refer to it in his campaign. If the Iraq war continues to go well, Obama will need a distraction . . . a talking point suggesting that we should not have been in the war to begin with.
June 3, 2008, 10:54:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Johnny,
 
What is the overall state of affairs between Olbermann and O'Reilly? Has Olby been creeping up on O'Reilly or has O'Reilly been keeping his lead?
June 3, 2008, 10:59:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Johnny,
 
Just thought you might know.
June 3, 2008, 11:01:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Thanks for the numbers correction johnny.
 
The numbers for Olby and BOR are usual, danny. BOR dominates always.
June 3, 2008, 11:01:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
Olby's had a couple of big nights when he's edged out O'Reilly in the 25-54 demo. But overall he's still in second place, and has not beaten O'Reilly in total viewers that I've noticed. That's never even been close.
June 3, 2008, 11:02:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
I read an article recently (probably by a liberal) who said that Olby had become strong enough that O'Reilly has to take him more seriously than an annoying gnat.
 
O'Reilly is not my favorite, but I have a huge dislike for Olby.
June 3, 2008, 11:05:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
I hope I'm not being redundant here; I scanned the posts, above, and saw that someone named "Crash Cloride" has monopolized the board. 
 
Anyway, I didn't see any comments about Hillary's speech. TV punditry was certainly wrong tonight; they all surmised that THIS was the night she was quitting, since it was Obama's "big night", etc.
 
But after seeing the speech, I thought she was more determined than ever to stay in and to possibly go to the convention for a better resolution (for her, anyway). She wanted people to go to her website and voice their opinion as to what she should do. Yet Brit, Juan and the Beltway Boys all talked as if she wanted the VP slot. I didn't get that at all. Anyone else have any thoughts on the matter?
 
(And Mr. Clorox, please be polite if you respond to my question.)
June 3, 2008, 11:45:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
>Mike C, Cecelia, and other frequent posters here don't like [BOR].<
Actually, FF, I'm a big fan of his. But don't worry about the mistake. Seriously, I'm not being snarky.
Since it's safe to comment now, I can say this: Jossip snarks either ideological way. Steve Young (no relation to the Hall of Fame quarterback and ESPN football analyst) over at HuffPo has an advanced case of O'Reilly Derangement Syndrome.
And that's about it. See you in the Wednesday thread, but the rest of you can still comment.
June 3, 2008, 11:59:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
One other thing. I knew I was going to regret my complimentary comment about Jackie Mason and wanting to see his Broadway show. That troll stomped on it. Richard Pryor was hilarious, George Carlin also was hilarious. Now, he's a burned out radical leftist. I had the nerve to put on his recent HBO comedy special for merely five minutes. In that period of time, he attacked people that are patriotic or have patriotic bumper stickers, attacked the phrase "God Bless America," and said that military service men and women are brainwashed. In particular, he said those buried at Arlington National were brainwashed to kill...or something. Either way, I tuned away after that line.
Okay, I'm done.
June 4, 2008, 12:04:27 AM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
Missy,
 
I am stumped by that question. Originally, I thought that Hillary would never take the VP slot. After all, she wants to be prez and VP has proven not to be a very good way to get there; unless the Prez dies in office. But let's not go there.
 
Then I thought that she was just saying that she wants VP, knowing that Obama would never agree. Then her followers would be mad and Obama would be weakened and perhaps not win. Then she could run in four years.
 
I suppose that she may be expecting a bomb (metaphorically speaking) that could force Obama to bow out. As the nominated VP she would be next in line to run for the Prez.
 
Of course she might think that VP is a stepping stone to the Presidency. If that is what she thinks, I think she may be making a big mistake.
 
I too would like to hear what someone else thinks on that subject.
June 4, 2008, 12:21:52 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Missy,
 
Obama doesn't want a Bill/Hill VP running "mates". 
 
Perhaps she is in the process of showing him how it is in his best interest...
June 4, 2008, 12:54:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
Even if he only spoke that way 1% of the time, it is detrimental enough to give Obama or any other chuchgoers a sense that "whitey" has done the black man wrong BIG TIME! 
 
Missy | 06.03.08 - 3:38 pm |
 
Anyone with a passing knowledge of American History already knows that '"whitey" HAS done the black man wrong BIG TIME.
June 4, 2008, 7:29:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
Anyone with a passing knowledge of American History already knows that '"whitey" HAS done the black man wrong BIG TIME.
notveryhow | 06.04.08 - 7:34 am | # 
 
Usually under the banner of the Democratic Party. 
 
Please dont indict the whole country due to the actions of some.
June 4, 2008, 8:14:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply


VinceP1974
>I hope you are right. But methinks there are those who will try to keep it alive as long as possible. Obama will no doubt refer to it in his campaign. If the Iraq war continues to go well, Obama will need a distraction . . . a talking point suggesting that we should not have been in the war to begin with.
danny | 06.03.08 - 10:59 pm | # 
 
I dont think McCllenen's book will have any meaningful impact at all. In fact it might backfire because his publisher was George Soros. It's suspected his publisher changed the book to make it be as negative as it could be , which isn't much since there are no footnotes or any evidence of anything that is alledged in the book other than the moronic author's memory.
June 4, 2008, 8:20:40 AM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
It's suspected his publisher changed the book to make it be as negative as it could be ....
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Yes, I saw O'Reilly's flat and pitiful interview.
 
Another explanation: After McClellan realized how he had been lied to and manipulated over Plame, the blinders were off, the loyalty oath was no longer binding. The truth could come out. I will say, it was a wonderful purgative. I haven't seen McClellan look so good in years. A tremendous weight was lifted from him. All the lying was too much for a basically good and decent guy.
 
I tend to agree the book will have little effect. Although McCain and Bush II are joined at the hip, I don't think that McCain was party to the misinformation and propoganda campaign leading up to the invasion. McCain's more likely to get nailed on: (1) an indefinite, unending committment to occupy Iraq; (2) fear of appointment of justices who will abrogate a woman's right to chose; (3) the general deterioration in the standard of living of ordinary Americans during the last 8 years; (4) related to this, the state of the economy. At least that is what the pundits seem to be saying, and they are saying it rather uniformly, even if they disagree as to the validity.
June 4, 2008, 8:30:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
In fact it might backfire because his publisher was George Soros.
 
Vince,that is incorrect.
 
The publisher is PublicAffairs.They have published George Soros.They also published Ken Starr.
June 4, 2008, 8:43:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply


danny
On the Mark
 
I don't know if I am allowed to discuss these things but I disagree strongly with you on the following points.
 
There was not a misinformation campaign leading up to the war. It was a war that we needed to fight. The valid reasons for entering the war were not made strong enough. The misinformation/propaganda campaign came from the other side . . . even from the beginning.
 
The war itself was brilliant. Mistakes were made in securing Iraq after the war.
 
The Plame case was much ado about nothing. She was not a covert agent. Rove had nothing to do with outing her. The person who did out her was never charged with anything; since he was never the target of the the little political vendetta. Again the misinformation and propaganda came from the other side.
June 4, 2008, 10:43:21 AM EDT – Like – Reply


notveryhow
The Plame case was much ado about nothing. She was not a covert agent. Rove had nothing to do with outing her
 
The CIA thought she was,and asked the JD to investigate.Don't you think the CIA should determine the status of their employees,or is that a responsibility of Hume,Barnes et al.
 
The disinformation campaign leading up to the invasion?There is a rich compost of material documenting how that worked.Have you read any of the books about it?
 
A large majority of Americans have come to believe that they were sold a bill of goods.If you don't at least smell a rat in the data given the amount of information available,then nothing will ever convince you.
June 4, 2008, 4:52:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply