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Thursday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [7:15 pm]:

Wednesday's numbers.

FNC HD scuttlebutt.

Fox hater recants?

Cable news stinks!

Soledad O'Brien in Mas (via TVN).

Rate your favorite Factor segments.

MSNBC's Monster deal.

CNBC Plus.

Chris Matthews career move?

Hotline quotes.

Clarence Page's response to O'Reilly.

Audio: John Gibson rips Olbermann.

Katie Couric Live?

Erin's error?

Pix: Inside CNN DC. CNN's papal plans.

Olympic Torch coverage.

Talk to Rachel Maddow.

Greta's NYC studio.

Tammy Bruce at Redlands.

Today's firing demand.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in today's open thread. Standard rules apply.




On The Mark
Is there anyone in American politics sleazier than Lanny Davis? I am truly disappointed Hemmer interviewed him. Hannity? Sure, why not? Not Hemmer.
April 10, 2008, 7:47:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Kirk
Davis is a creap but, he is brings up a point few will talk about in public. to a person I ask they agree with Davis but say they will not say it in public. Hannity brings up the issue non stop but he is in your face with it.
April 10, 2008, 8:46:32 AM EDT – Like – Reply


On The Mark
The Badger Herald piece was fantastic. Each cameo has some kernel of truth in it. Of course, no meaningful critique of any show or personality emerges, much less an over-arching theme with regard to cable news programming or personalities. Some highlights/truths:
 
- the Maddow/Buchanan discussion.
- Dobbs' two bit reporters and an old man.
- the O'Reilly trainwreck imagery.
- Hume insomnia.
- an H&C Thanksgiving.
 
The last one had me in stitches.  
 
Muchas Gracias!, Johnnie. I would have never found this, and it was wonderful.
April 10, 2008, 10:47:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


olbysucks
I liked these, myself:
 
Between Wolf Blitzer’s yelling, his 4-foot-9-inch frame, the giant TV screens that surround him at all times and Jack Cafferty’s incomprehensible muttering, this show is akin to being trapped in a $2 billion carnival fun house.  
 
MSNBC: “Hardball with Chris Matthews”
 
Who else is wondering how many times he has hosted this show shit-faced drunk?  
 
MSNBC: “Countdown with Keith Olbermann”
 
It’s like “SportsCenter” — but with news! This liberal former sports host touts perfect anchor hair and unbridled disdain for celebrities. Still, researchers haven’t been able to determine why the lead story on “Countdown” is always No. 5, while the Britney Spears coverage producers “force” on Olbermann is No. 1. I, for one, believe Olbermann’s new career is research for his upcoming book, “Why People with Discernable Talent Shouldn’t Do Cable News.” Tim Russert wrote the foreword.
April 10, 2008, 12:18:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
Clarence Page is a BOR traitor.
I don't want to call Lanny Davis a creep, but he can be irritating. At least he doesn't like Keith [anymore] either. I didn't know CBS college basketball analyst Seth Davis was Lanny's son.
April 10, 2008, 12:42:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Julie
Johnny, I don't know if you noticed this, but when you linked to that article about Tammy Bruce you only diminished the seriousness of your claim that Fox News is "fair and balanced", since Tammy Bruce continually refers to herself as a "liberal" while making appearances on the Fox News Channel, but in that speech she actually calls herself a conservative. Hence, either Fox is lying when they claim that she represents the "liberal" point of view when they present her opposite a Republican, or she is lying. You can't have it both ways.
April 10, 2008, 12:48:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olbysucks
I've never heard Tammy refer to herself as a liberal.
April 10, 2008, 1:09:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
First of all the fact that I link to something hardly means that I agree with it. Do you expect me to defend the accuracy of dozens of cable news articles just because I post to them? The daily links are from all over the map.
 
As for Tammy Bruce calling herself a liberal...I agree with OS. I don't recall her saying that, at least not lately. The last time I heard her she described herself as an independent conservative. Given her views on social issues, there is a lot of "independent" mixed in with that "conservative" part.
 
She used to be a Democrat, she's now (I), but even as a Dem she was always considered a conservative Dem. So Where this bit of she calls herself a liberal comes from is beyond me. I can't recall the last time she was presented "opposite a Republican" either. Seems to me she usually goes up against Bob Beckel. Regardless of the labels, surely it's the content of the discussion that matters.
 
By the way, let's assume she DID call herself that. Therefore, Fox is unfair and unbalanced? Because one opinion contributor said something you don't agree with? Talk about diminishing the seriousness of an argument!
April 10, 2008, 1:17:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply


david smawley
Julie, since this site is called Johnny Dollars Place, my guess is that he can have it both ways if he chooses to.
April 10, 2008, 4:16:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
Anyway, now that I've heard the John Gibson clip on OlbyWatch, I can say Michael Eric Dyson is another BOR traitor...and a race baiter.
April 10, 2008, 4:22:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


SuperNoxic
Wow, funny that Greta would post that picture of the embarrassing Studio C on her blog. Ugh, can you imagine how it's going to look in HD?
April 10, 2008, 4:46:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olbysucks
Fox is lying when they claim that she represents the "liberal" point of view when they present her opposite a Republican, or she is lying. You can't have it both ways.
Julie | 04.10.08 - 12:53 pm | #  
 
Julie, since this site is called Johnny Dollars Place, my guess is that he can have it both ways if he chooses to.
david smawley | 04.10.08 - 4:21 pm | #  
 
No proof? Shocker!
April 10, 2008, 5:06:58 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
Julie and Smawley, you guys don't seem to have much going on in your lives if you feel compelled to argue that Tammy Bruce has always self descibed as a "liberal" but in a Ohhhhh Rovian plot FNC calls her a conservative.
 
http://tammybruce.com/biography.php
 
Let me quote from HER bio on HER web site:
 
"Ms. Bruce's first book, "The New Thought Police," was published by Forum, an imprint of Crown/Random House, in October 2001. An analysis of freedom of expression and the culture wars, it explores the importance of freedom of expression and personal liberty and how that liberty is under attack by the dangerous rise of Left-wing McCarthyism."
 
NB: "personal liberty and how that liberty is under attack by the dangerous rise of Left-wing McCarthyism."
 
" Her second book, "The Death of Right and Wrong,"also for Random House (April 2003), addresses the rise of moral relativism in society and quickly became a New York Times best seller."
 
NB: Moral relativism is definitely a tenet of liberals, not conservatives.
 
Exactly what was the point that you two tried to make?
April 10, 2008, 7:38:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
Okay, break it up, guys. And David, aren't you conservative? I'm not being confrontational; just asking.
April 10, 2008, 9:49:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


ImNotBlue
Clarence Page is a BOR traitor.
 
Mike Chimeri |04.10.08 - 12:47 pm
 
Why do you say that, Mike? I read the peice, and saw him agreeing with O'Reilly, more than disagreeing.
 
Am I missing something, or did I read it wrong?
April 10, 2008, 10:21:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
Mike C, re: your remark about Dyson. He, and that Professor Lamont Hill (who shows up on FNC once in a while) talk so fast and authoritatively that I believe they're just trying to blow everyone away! Other panelists just kind of sit there, stunned, trying to figure out WHAT they are trying to say!Their communication is one way only - they talk, but seem unwilling to listen to anyone else's POV.  
 
So I've stopped listening to them!
April 10, 2008, 10:28:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Missy
OTM, what's your problem with Lanny Davis, other than that he's supporting Hillary, and not Obama?
April 10, 2008, 10:29:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
I feel that way about Dr. Hill sometimes, but other times, he's not so bad.
As for Clarence Page, I repeated a habit that I just can't break from me: I skimmed through the posting without reading the whole thing. That got me in trouble recently, but luckily, I worked things out. The reason I assumed he was backstabbing BOR is because of a sentence where Page implied BOR contradicted himself in his segment on race Monday night. "...after that explanation of why Americans won't have a conversation about race, O'Reilly proceeded to hold a conversation about race."
Regardless, I'm sorry I got the wrong impression due to my laziness.
April 10, 2008, 10:48:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike Chimeri
I meant I got in trouble, and then patched things up, with a friend by skimming through an e-mail they sent me. I will not elaborate further.
April 10, 2008, 10:50:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply


On the Mark
Missy, I don't have any problem with Davis supporting Clinton. I have a problem with his tactics. He deals in the basest sort of innuendo, and when he is challenged, he slithers away. Davis has become the chief perpetuator and propogator of the Wright matter, when Democrats have pretty convincingly said either it doesn't matter or that Obama has handled the matter. Davis has become the right wingers best friend, in a miserable toadie sort of way. To the extent I have a problem with Clinton, it is that she has surrounded herself with slimey misanthropes like Davis.
April 10, 2008, 11:26:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply


olbysucks
Missy, I don't have any problem with Davis supporting Clinton. I have a problem with his tactics. He deals in the basest sort of innuendo, and when he is challenged, he slithers away.
 
On the Mark | 04.10.08 - 11:31 pm | #  
 
Oh, the irony......
April 11, 2008, 2:20:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Julie
It is a fact that Bruce has referred to herself as a liberal on Fox.  
 
http://hotair.com/archives/2007/04/17/video-tammy-bruce-exposes-far-left-outlets-hit-list-on-everyone-to-their-right/
 
Therefore, put simply, either Bruce is lying and Fox doesn't know, or they're both lying.
 
"Julie and Smawley, you guys don't seem to have much going on in your lives if you feel compelled to argue that Tammy Bruce has always self descibed as a "liberal" but in a Ohhhhh Rovian plot FNC calls her a conservative."
 
That's a pretty pathetic argument. I basically just proved that you, are in fact, wrong, so naturally you're only defense is, "Well... UHH... YOU"RE A LOSER FOR EVEN THINKING ABOUT IT".
 
Grow up.
April 11, 2008, 4:06:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Julie
"By the way, let's assume she DID call herself that. Therefore, Fox is unfair and unbalanced? Because one opinion contributor said something you don't agree with?"
 
That statement makes no sense. She calls herself conservative in one speech, and on Fox she calls herself a liberal. I'm not the one disagreeing with her. She's disagreeing with herself.
 
So, no, what it proves is that the Fox News Channel is putting forward a woman who claims to represent the liberal point of view on Fox News, while admittng outside of Fox that she is, in fact, a conservative.
 
If MSNBC was caught pimping someone who claimed to be a Republican on air, and then went and did interviews on Air America in which he admitted, "I'm a lib Dem", you would naturally be outraged.
 
That, my friend, is called hypocrisy.
April 11, 2008, 4:10:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Fox News Channel is putting forward a woman who claims to represent the liberal point of view on Fox News, while admittng outside of Fox that she is, in fact, a conservative.
 
You are seriously misinformed. Just saying that over and over again doesn't make it become true. Bruce WAS a liberal, and called herself a progressive years ago. Since then she left the Democratic party and declared herself as an independent conservative--something she has said repeatedly on Fox. She still holds many liberal views--which is why she is independent--and has said so.
 
This whole notion that Fox is secretly putting up a conservative as a liberal sounds like something gleaned from the Fox hater sites. As I pointed out before, she is usually paired with Bob Beckel, Jim Warren, or another liberal. They appear together AND DISAGREE. As in, she takes the conservative said vs the liberal. Clear now?
 
By the way, MSNBC DOES have people on who claim to be something they're not. Keith Olbermann claims to have no political bias, but appears on Air America and writes for the Daily Kos, and has said--NOT on MSNBC--that he is a liberal. I didn't need that admission to know what he was. And, oh, I must have forgotten to be outraged.
April 11, 2008, 4:18:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply