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'They Had a Serious Credibility Problem'

J$P Video! News Watch looks at the Matthews/Olbermann demotions and more:


From Fox News Watch, September 14 2008




Mike C.
What?! When did "Fox News Watch" end up airing? I put FNC on at 6:30 and got Ike coverage. I gave up immediately, thinking that would be for the entire half hour.
September 14, 2008, 1:22:49 AM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
I still don't get why Olbermann and Matthews were demoted???
 
They were just following the (not so) obscure 'Anchors For Obama Doctrine', which states.
 
"Obama-Biden: Whatever It Takes!"
September 14, 2008, 10:45:12 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Well, now, puck30, doesn't that rather make cable news fair and balanced now? CNN right down the middle of the road, FNC to the far right and MSNBC veering slightly across the middle stripe to the left from time-to-time. Sounds like a great system to me.
September 14, 2008, 11:57:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply


tony
Mark: Please tell me how FOX is far right. Dont give me newshounds talking points, give me some facts.
September 14, 2008, 12:30:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mike C.
Clarence Page made that claim about FNC, too...Tuesday night on "The Factor," no less.
September 14, 2008, 3:30:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply


puck30
"MSNBC veering slightly across the middle stripe to the left from time to time."
 
Matthews, Olbermann, Maddow? Veering just slightly, oh so, but not that you would really notice, Maybe once in a blue moon, NOT! The big toe, but the little pinky, just a touch to the left?  
 
But, O'Reilly, Hannity, Colmes, Gretta?
Heading off to the FAR, FAR, regions of the hinterland, where horse and buggy fear to go? (like in the old 'Universal Horror' movies)  
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMDYizlqmQw
 
Thanks Mark! One can always use a good chuckle! It warms the heart and lifts the spirits!
 
CNN? Please specify, CNN (Atlanta) or CNN International?
September 14, 2008, 4:20:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
FOX coverage most unfair, unbalanced
Reported by Chrish - Sat 10:48 PM
 
This your brain on drugs. The hard stuff. Any questions?
September 14, 2008, 5:37:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
All,
 
puck30 made a joke and Mark, in a somewhat successful attempt to Shanghai the thread, placed a below average, for him, absurdity into the mix.  
 
Kind of like a Mark Mickey Finn.
September 14, 2008, 5:37:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I was speaking of CNN, the US programming, not CNN International. The latter has gone through some pretty dramatic changes, and is a network of home language broadcasts, mintaining, in greatly reduced form, the English version as an American and British traveler's edition.
 
And, puck30, in arriving at the far right wing character of FNC, I really take O'Reilly and Hannity out of the mix. They are simply pure entertainment sorts, with the focus in O'Reilly's case being O'Reilly, All O'Reilly, All the Time, the Rush Limbaugh of cable news. Hannity is simply a whining extremists who offers nothing, nothing but RNC Talking Points, repeated so often it is amazing they are not memorized. It would be unfair to include him in a news analysis, since he is anything but a news persons. For Greta, she could be news, but she is still not evolved out of her "White Girl Gone Missing" mode sufficiently. If she ever does step out completely, some analysis is in order, although the Scientology deal will always be unsettling. It skews the political pespective. Colmes? Really! His chair offers more. You didn't bring up Shep, and he is the serious news factor here. He does add a bit of balance.
 
As for MSNBC being middle of the road, with the insufferable Scarborough, the butterfly Mika, the hard-headed Gregory, left of center scarcely works. It is the network which truly achieves the Ms. Congeniality Award for the illusive fairness and balance through setting one person off against the next, sort of the concept but not the reality of H&C.
 
Been watching a bit of SkyNews. Usual pulp detective "stuff" with the obligatory group of Brits suck in a Grade B tourist destination because the Travel Agency has gone belly up.
 
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On a personal travel note, I attended Mass at the local basilica yesterday, and during mass, there was a call to Muslim prayer from the nearby minaret. What an interesting, reflective event, sort of ecumenical fairness and balance.
September 14, 2008, 7:20:59 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
How is it the Matthews/Olbermann situations are demotions, when they are still on the air, when Gibson getting the boot all the way off the air wasn't? I think they were all demotions of sorts, although with Olbermann, maybe just a slap. Why not deal with it on that basis? And, why do we even have Gibson resurface here from time-to-time? Seems if we deal with one talk radio figure, we have to deal with all. Limbaugh, Stern, Wiener, the whole sorry lot. Limbaugh was, after all, a short-lived, failed television figure, although syndication as I recall. What is it that sets Gibson apart and make him relevant?
September 14, 2008, 7:25:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
>in arriving at the far right wing character of FNC, I really take O'Reilly and Hannity out of the mix.
 
You do? You tell us Greta handles missing girls, and Shep adds balance. But if you're not counting Hannity or O'Reilly, where in the wide world of sports is the "far right" character of Fox News? Bill Hemmer? Jane Skinner? Trace freaking Gallagher?!? And don't you bring up Hume, since I proved that to be a lie the last time you tried, with actual transcripts that contradicted every phony point you made. Do you have the vaguest idea what you are talking about?
September 14, 2008, 7:38:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
You argued the point about Hume, Johnny, but you certainly didn't contradict it. In fact, you tended contradict yourself. Even allowing for the difference of opinion between reasonable, thoughtful men, the bulk of analysis sides with me on this. Your hubris doesn't bother me that much, however. Successful men always have huge egos, to which I too am subject. So, subject to liberal "moderation":
 
Cavuto, Hume and the Panel (and don't throw back the Williams/Liasson canard), Cavuto, Doocy & Carlson, Cavuto, North, Cavuto, ED (Don't you bring up your claim otherwise. If she is ever moderate, it is only because she is erratic), Cavuto, Rove, Cavuto ....
 
Speaking of Cavuto, I am hopelessly awake and watching Sky .... Goodness. Stay off the sidewalks around tall buildings, today. The Lehman news is horrible with B of A pulling out. I'm sure Cavuto will have lots of good news about lipstick, pigs and bridges to nowhere. The truth of the economic crisis will certainly make him uncomfortable.
September 14, 2008, 9:01:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


johnny dollar
> Even allowing for the difference of opinion between reasonable, thoughtful men, the bulk of analysis sides with me on this.
 
What bulk would that be? I linked to a independent study that found Special Report more ideologically balanced than the three network news programs. And you counter that with your feelings?
 
What is the obsession with Cavuto? He's on one hour a day. And Rove doesn't even have a show on Fox. Why don't you mention Wolfson or Beckel instead of Rove?
 
I realize what your purpose is here, but you oughtn't be so transparent about it.
September 14, 2008, 9:06:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
Well, you can throw those buzzards in as well. Moves the target to the right, but only marginally.
 
Admittedly, Cavuto gets my goat (lest I be accused of bestiality, again, I'll change the metaphor to rings my bell). I think it is the fraudulent nature of having a business show that seldom touches upon anything except Republican politics.
 
I know it's tough not having someone parrot your views, Johnny, but I'll trump your condescending clairvoyance by noting I just saw Shapiro from FNC on Sky. I was very impressed. Good solid, analysis, well-delvered. Is he an FNC regular contributor, or is he FBC?
September 14, 2008, 9:22:00 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Sky and FNC are both owned by the same company. Why trust Murdoch's empire one day and not the next?
September 14, 2008, 9:57:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Sky and FNC are both owned by the same company. Why trust Murdoch's empire one day and not the next?
Fox Fan | 09.14.08 - 10:02 pm | #
 
I'm surprised you haven't previously noticed. He ALWAYS attempts to mitigate the criticism of one thing by immediately saying something similar or related is okay or that it isn't as bad.
 
One week he'll go after O'Reilly's "bias" and add that he admires Hume, and the next week he'll go after Doocy and say that O'Reilly is...at least...relatively even-handed.
 
It's a technique he uses in order to sound more reasonable and to suggest that he's not in the same camp as the News Hounders.
September 14, 2008, 10:28:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
That's a very good question. The answer, at its heart, is that the Murdoch empire is more akin to a latter day Hapsburg balkanized confederation than a true empire. This is probably most apparent in the print aspects. There is a Murdoch unity in his fondness for gossipy stories, sourcing and veracity be damned, and women's breasts spilling over necklines or even bare and bouncing all about. The serious Murdoch, however, is different in the UK than in the US. Less overtly political and when political less stridently right wing. In part, it is a dichotmoy brought about by market forces. An FNC wouldn't work in the UK and a SkyNews would be superfluous in the US. In part, Murdoch does, I believe, have a balanced political view and a reasonably objective news nose. FNC is more driven by Ailes than Murdoch, and it reflects Ailes' virulent and extreme American conservatism, balanced only by some, too rare, Murdoch intervention.
 
I can and do have tremendous respect for Murdoch.
 
For Ailes, I respect his discernment of a profitable niche in the US market for a clear conservative voice, and I respect his ruthless pursuit for profit.
 
I simply prefer the "pure" Murdoch model. Others have other preferences.
 
BTW, I still have on Sky, and it is replaying last evening's CBS News, in full. Now, that's balance.
September 14, 2008, 10:37:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
"women's breasts spilling over necklines or even bare and bouncing all about."
 
Thank you for that mental image. Awesome.
September 14, 2008, 11:13:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
Cavuto will have lots of good news about lipstick, pigs and bridges to nowhere. The truth of the economic crisis will certainly make him uncomfortable.
Mark | 09.14.08 - 9:06 pm | #  
 
Spoken like a loyal newshound. To the bone.
September 15, 2008, 12:43:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
But, Jeff, deal with substance instead of smears. Is it true? I guess it must be or you would have said so.
September 15, 2008, 9:47:55 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
No response, Jeff? So you do agree. Well, I am pleased.
September 15, 2008, 11:09:15 AM EDT – Like – Reply


vstol
Mark,
 
Thanks. I never thought of that standard.  
 
So, all the times you failed to respond to my questions to you meant you agreed with me.
 
Well, I'm relatively pleased, but I wuold have rather received a response.
September 15, 2008, 12:03:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I respond when I am inclined to do so, vstol, as I am now. I have a protocol I use especially for Jeff. Special training.
September 15, 2008, 12:19:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
No response, Jeff? So you do agree. Well, I am pleased.
Mark | 09.15.08 - 11:14 am | #  
 
Good point, vstol. I can take it that mark agrees with every single post she didn't respond to. My new protocol.
September 15, 2008, 1:40:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
I've yet to see one of your posts that warranted a response, Jeff. Usually, you just make some inane negative remark irrelevant to any on-going discussion, but I'll keep my eye out for an exception.
September 15, 2008, 3:13:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Olby Sucks
I believe you just responded while simultaniously putting your foot in your mouth, mark. But, this a cable news blog, not a "proving mark is a hypocrite" blog. Back from France, so soon?
September 15, 2008, 3:29:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply


sharm
On Lou Dobb's just now, Dana Bash reported that Palin's campaign was very "controlled," that she was following a script and that she did not have a press conference on her latest stop. Dobbs didn't let her go with "Thanks for the report" and move on. He inquired how Obama operates. Well, she had to admit that he reads from a teleprompter. Press conferences? Well, she doesn't follow his campaign but Joe Biden had two of them. Bash's slanted reporting was exposed in a professional manner.
September 15, 2008, 7:31:34 PM EDT – Like – Reply