1/6/09 12:37 PM

Weekend Links & Open Thread

Sunday cable news links [updated through the day]:

Greta leaves North Korea. Pix: Pyongpang.

CNN gets a cheer and a half.

North to Afghanistan, Huckabee to Lake Ozark.

Cablers cameos catalogued (via TV Newser).

Alan Colmes welcomed back.

Sunday talkers: roundup.

How Fox streamed video from the House chamber floor.

Video: Inside CNN's Election Express.

Christiane meets the Dalai Lama.

Maddow wants her close-up.

NY Times finally notices Greta's trip.

Break room bickering.

New Olbermann milestone.

Use our valuable bandwidth to post your comments on any and all cable news topics in this weekend's open thread. Standard rules apply.

johnny dollar
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August 2, 2008, 10:40:00 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Interesting piece, Johnny, about how FNC got the video of House members protesting the recess without a vote on domestic drilling.
August 2, 2008, 11:33:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Nice of Olbermann & the MSDNC staff to use the "Inside Job" graphic for the entire first part of the anthrax story.
Translation: Bush & Cheney did it, just like 9/11.
August 2, 2008, 12:10:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I watched Tucker Carlson's show quite regularly when it was on MSNBC and this statement in The Nation piece about Maddow making Carlson's head explode when she guested is quite inaccurate.
Tucker and Rachel seemed to have a very cordial relationship and they both seemed to enjoy their exchanges and to be well-matched in argument.
August 2, 2008, 4:49:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Re: the "breakroom" piece.
I frequently have to go pick up my mom and take her to dr. appts. because she no longer drives. For some horrific reason, TVs in many of the waiting rooms are always turned to the ABC station, where the View is shown. And my mom's appts. are often right when that horrific program is shown.  
So I finally got fed up and wrote to the managers of these offices, telling them to put on some channel less controversial, such as the Food Network or HGTV. I can't believe it, but they actually changed the channel, so that I now no longer have to put up with those yapping witches while waiting to see my mom's doctors.  
And guess what else? Instead of people just trying to look down to block out this programming, people are actually watching this other programming, such as that which is shown on the Food Network, the History Channel or HGTV. So I guess if that crap is just driving you crazy (as it did with me), just ask them to change it, and they may actually comply.
August 2, 2008, 5:02:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Re: "New Olbermann milestone": I like the guy that recapped the milestone.  
August 2, 2008, 5:58:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I'm glad that Rockefeller guy was captured, and Reigh Boss was found unharmed and will be reunited with her mom Sandra. But this breaking news better not pre-empt my precious "Fox News Watch."
Oh, wait. As I type, "The Beltway Boys" is back on. Thank God on two counts (count one listed in first paragraph).
August 2, 2008, 6:12:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Thankfully, "Fox News Watch" was not pre-empted.
August 2, 2008, 7:16:03 PM EDT – Like – Reply

very telling
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August 2, 2008, 10:55:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply

As usual, some liberal "enlightened" soul, wished to insult a fellow traveler by implying that he is gay.
They are invariably "very telling"....
August 2, 2008, 11:10:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
That same poster at 11:00 pm, I will gaurantee you has called at least one of us 'homophobic.' Oh, the hypocrisy!
August 3, 2008, 2:00:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Missy and Cecelia both have great posts.
Thanks, Missy, for taking a stand!
Cecelia, you are correct about Tucker and Rachel. They were great together.
August 3, 2008, 11:16:01 AM EDT – Like – Reply

In the NY Times snippit about Greta, they say that Anderson 360 was doing better in ratings for awhile. Wasn't this found to be not true because it was actually campaign '08 stuff being shown in that time slot with the Anderson Cooper 360 name tacked on it?
Or am I mixing up scandals? Whatev, sillypants.
August 3, 2008, 11:26:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
You are correct. There was fudging with the numbers by AC360. Though even without the fudging it was pretty narrow, with 360 winning on some nights. This time around Greta's margin was bigger.
August 3, 2008, 11:54:58 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny: Interesting that with Greta in Asia, "On The Record" beat "AC360" decisively in the demo on the four nights that TVNewser posted ratings.
August 3, 2008, 1:08:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I think the missing girl with the lying mother in jail and enabling grandmother is probably helping OtR somewhat. It's even got me interested in how this whodunit is going to turn out. I'll bet w/Greta the numbers will be even stronger.
August 3, 2008, 1:16:46 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Not to drift off topic, but the Anthonys strike me as one big, media-hating, crime family...allegedly. If evidence exonerates, I will take back what I've just said.
August 3, 2008, 1:36:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
It's even got me interested in how this whodunit is going to turn out. I'll bet w/Greta the numbers will be even stronger.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 08.03.08 - 1:21 pm | #  
The trunk of the car holds the evidence. The jail holds the perp.
August 3, 2008, 1:47:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
I'll take it back now: I'm very sorry I said what I did. I should have just kept that in my head.
What were the political leanings of the people that "welcomed back" Alan? They were as happy to see him out of the host's chair as I was to see Man on Fan out of his.
August 3, 2008, 1:47:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
...when he was off for two weeks last month and Rachel Madcow did not kick the fannies of Ingraham, Kasich, and Hill.
August 3, 2008, 1:49:16 PM EDT – Like – Reply

If Obama wants this race to be about ideas, he should do the following: reaffirm his earlier willingness to have many townhall debates between now and the election. He should also make himself more accessible to all the news media and he should show less reluctance to appear on news shows where he would be asked tough questions.
If he won't do those things, then he has no right to complain about the race being about 30 second sound bite/commercials and not about ideas.
August 3, 2008, 2:22:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Is that what was discussed in the embed video?
August 3, 2008, 2:34:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

August 3, 2008, 2:38:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
This past friday Aug 1 and this coming friday Aug 8 Edward R Olbergeist went up against guest host Laura Ingraham on The Factor. If Nancy Grace can cream him like she did last Wed., how do you think his #'s will look vs. Ingraham. No doubt in my mind, if Maddow is such a hot property pulling KO's imaginary numbers then Messnbc needs to put her on and make Edward R the guest host.
August 3, 2008, 3:25:35 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
should have read "went up and will go up"
August 3, 2008, 3:36:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The Factor
Swing Vote will be a smelly bomb. Kostner is a obvious liberal hack. The "media" personalites he puts in his proaganda film are left wing hacks from MSDNC and the ClintonNewsNetwork. No one from the #1 cable news channel. The closest Kostner gets to putting a conservative in the moive is Tucker Carlson who is a liberatarian. No one watches Larry King and no one watches Chrissy Mathews. Chauk this one up as another left wing screed not worth watching.
August 3, 2008, 4:35:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
Save your money for American Carol, David Zuckers new offering with Grammer, Voight and other conservatives.
August 3, 2008, 4:52:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Kelsey Grammer is also in "Swing Vote" and he's a Republican. And I think these days, the Clinton News Network is FNC, unless there are more Clintonites at CNN than FNC. I can only think of Wolfson, Davis, and Powers. Dick Morris doesn't count to me since he's disgruntled.
But I'll go see "An American Carol." BOR, an independent, is in that, too.
August 3, 2008, 5:10:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
Sean Hannity as well I believe.
August 3, 2008, 5:18:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
OK, here's a trivia question. There have been times when FNC people have made cameo appearances in films and tv. Can you name where Bill O'Reilly appeared, as himself, doing a pretend commentary on an on-screen tv set?
August 3, 2008, 5:26:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

david smawley
could you provide an additional clue?
August 3, 2008, 5:45:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Was it in a 2003 episode of "JAG"?
August 3, 2008, 5:58:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Yeah, Mike has it. I should've known he'd guess it quickly!
August 3, 2008, 6:23:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

JAG episode entitled, "JAG TV" where a murder court-martial was televised. Mac prosecuted a female Navy Lt. charged with murdering her husband's girlfriend named Misty James. Mac's old law school professor, a grey haired b*tch, defended.
Verdict: Guilty.
O'Reilly was nominated for an Emmyna
August 3, 2008, 6:25:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

BTW, did anyone see Pelosi on THIS WEEK, stick her FOOT IN HER MOUTH AND TRIP OVER HER TONGUE.  
It was the funniest thing I've seen on TV since the broadcast premier of The Goofy Movie.
Stephy laid a trap, "Why won't you allow a vote."
Three BS dodges later, George hit Nancy right in the smacker with the dirtiest cream pie in politics....., Nancy's own words pledging a fair legislative process that protects the minority's right to propose legislation, offer ammendments, have a full debate and bringing bills to a vote.
She was NOT a happy Speaker!  
It was so good, I recorded it!-)
August 3, 2008, 6:47:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I would love to see that, vstol.
The Madam does irk me to no end. Not to be catty   has anyone else noticed how fast her two sizes too small face lift has stretched out and bowed to gravity?
I only comment b/c of the big deal still being made here about Greta's choice a few years ago to help nature and the constant whining criticism of the Fox foxes.
I think I am getting the hang of this relating my comment to cable news.
August 3, 2008, 8:41:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Nice move, Grammie. You made it to the pass just in time.  
Cable news.
August 3, 2008, 8:48:14 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
>Yeah, Mike has it. I should've known he'd guess it quickly! <
I went to IMDB to find out.
August 3, 2008, 8:50:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Aw, that's not fair!
OK, let me throw out this one. And no going to imdb anybody...
Someone else from Fox News also appeared on JAG, not as a news commentator but as a character who was part of the story. In fact a recurring character (i.e. more than just one episode). Who was it?
August 3, 2008, 9:03:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply

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August 3, 2008, 9:09:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
She was NOT a happy Speaker!  
It was so good, I recorded it!-)
vstol | 08.03.08 - 6:52 pm | #  
This better be posted here soon. Is there video? Was it on cspan?
August 3, 2008, 9:11:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
No it won't be posted here. It really has nothing to do with cable news!
August 3, 2008, 9:14:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
It was on "This Week":
I'd guess the "JAG" recurring character was Jon Scott. Just a guess.
August 3, 2008, 9:14:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Here's a link for reading pleasure, grammie.
August 3, 2008, 9:15:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Okay, I'm sorry I jumped the gun and posted the link to video of a non-cable news story.
August 3, 2008, 9:15:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> I'd guess the "JAG" recurring character was Jon Scott. Just a guess.  
August 3, 2008, 9:16:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Alan Colmes? Judge Napolitano? Brian Kilmeade? Bob Beckel? Tony Snow (God rest him)? Gretchen Carlson?
August 3, 2008, 9:19:19 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mike C.
Okay, I cheated and found out the answer, but I won't say it. Everyone else, it's up to you. (finger point): Do you know?
August 3, 2008, 9:22:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The Factor
Hannity was in the movie The Siege with Bruce Willis.
August 3, 2008, 9:28:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
> Alan Colmes? Judge Napolitano? Brian Kilmeade? Bob Beckel? Tony Snow (God rest him)? Gretchen Carlson?  
No to all of the above. Recapping for those who came in late, someone on FNC had a recurring role (a character in the story not just a cameo as a commentator or reporter) on JAG. Who was it?
August 3, 2008, 9:46:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The Factor
Oliver North?
August 3, 2008, 10:00:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Was it Hannity?
August 3, 2008, 10:01:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply

The Factor
It was Oliver North, I just checked it on Wiki.
August 3, 2008, 10:06:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Yep, it was North. He played a shadowy guy with contacts in various high military places who was a friend of Meg Austin (Tracy Needman). Ollie's role vanished after his three 1st season episodes as Needham was replaced by Catherine Bell (as Sarah Mackenzie) for the rest of the series.
August 3, 2008, 10:12:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Johnny, I see you made a comment about Ollie North being the one but this is the last comment I have after refreshing quite a few times.
Yep, it was Ollie.
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August 3, 2008, 10:25:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I see it now.
August 3, 2008, 10:26:04 PM EDT – Like – Reply

This has nothing to do with cable news, but a hero of mine died Sunday-- Alexander Solzhenitsyn. 
Thank God for using this brilliant man to tell the stories of the unimaginable suffering of millions of faceless nameless men and women.
He is now and was always a citizen of heaven, a status that no man could take from him.
August 4, 2008, 12:17:23 AM EDT – Like – Reply

NPR had a good and balanced piece this morning, that dealt with not only the high points of ... Ward, Circle ..., A Day in the Life ..., the Gulag Archipelago trilogy, but also the lower points of Red Wheel, the Harvard speech, the later anti-Semitism and extreme conservatism. It reminded me of the internal struggles and conflicts all thinking men and women have raging within them. An excellent piece.
August 4, 2008, 8:18:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply

Mark | 08.04.08 - 8:23 am |
Heard that piece this morning.Solzhnitzyn was such an interesting and contradictory man.Read "A Day in the Life.."as a teenager and found it quite compelling. 
From a man who condemned the Stalinist Soviet Union and the "vulgar materialism" of the West, perhaps we would do best to live by the credo "And the simplest and most accessible key to our self-neglected liberation lies right here: personal non-participation in lies."
August 4, 2008, 8:53:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply

My wife flew over for the end of business trip, and we spent a week in the Cotswolds. One blissfully sunny day I was sipping a Pimm's, munching on a Stilton and pear sandwich ... 
Not the stuff of a gulag man
August 4, 2008, 9:00:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply

NVH: I always admired Solzhenitsyn more for the courage of his convictions than the substance of them. However, I also experienced some insights with A Day in the Life ....
Sharon: No, I am not a Gulag man. Far too interested in creature comforts and enjoying life. I do feel so wonderfully free when I am in Europe and, a bit less so, the UK. I don't find myself able to relax when I am in the US as well. Who has the line "the intolerable burden of responsibility"?
August 4, 2008, 10:14:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply

National Review Online has a wonderful tribute to Solzhenitsyn.
Johnny, I"m testing your indulgence with this, however, the man is particularly significant to me. As a very young woman, home alone with a newborn infant, and with a workaholic husband, I became acquainted with the writings of Solzhenitsyn through a friend.
I read everything he wrote, strolling my little daughter to the small branch library down the street. I was lucky the elderly librarian liked me and worked hard to find Solzhenitsyn's works. 
Through them I gained some perspective on what my grandmother always referred to as "the troubles of the world" and came to understand and even to personalize (in only an embarrassingly small and trivial way) a statement that Solzhenitsyn wrote about a young friend---- that he was a fine man who would be made even better with a bit of suffering.
I often feel those sentiments too of my young hotshot son-in-law and of my daughter. Still I pray, "Dear lord, don't let it take much."
It was very much suffering, indeed, for a great many people in the Soviet Union, and much now all over the world. I'm grateful to those who tell their stories.
August 4, 2008, 12:07:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
mark, where was the post you made that said you had attended every dnc convention since the beginning of time and that you were a judge? Could you help Grammie and I out? You do remember, right? A few weeks ago, right?
August 4, 2008, 12:27:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

As C.S. Lewis said, "God loves matter. He created it!" Did He ever!
One of the characteristics of Solzhenitsyn that always struck a cord in me was his ability to revel in beauty in the ugliest of circumstances. He wrote several poems about that. One that I most remember about being filled with joy at the sensual loveliness of a deep dark east European forest, even when imprisoned there for hard labor.
August 4, 2008, 12:30:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

You have a challenge ahead of you, Jeff, but you have an able assistant.
August 4, 2008, 1:24:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Thought maybe you would be "man" enough to refresh our memories. I was wrong.
August 4, 2008, 1:52:23 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Grammie, I thinks it's safe to say 'mark' is not a judge and has never been to a dnc convention since she won't repost what she said or repost the original post.
August 4, 2008, 2:29:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

After you mentioned it in more detail I do remember the comment in broad terms. I believe it also involved some serious name dropping.
Thanks for the info OS.
August 4, 2008, 2:48:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply

I'm sorry, but you must have me confused with someone else. I never name drop. Years ago, I was staying with a dear old friend, Carol Channing over the New Year's holiday, and she had been invited to a Midnight buffet at Lauren Bacall's. She wanted me to tag along, but I didn't have a tuxedo. As luck would have it, Max Schell had a nasty cold and was going to stay in bed. He made me a loan of his tux. I was having a drink with Andre Previn, and standing next to him was Harper Lee who was telling a dear old friend, Happy Rockefeller how she loathed name droppers, and Happy said, "Marvelous, Darling, here's Markie, and I have never known him to drop a name."
August 4, 2008, 3:08:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply

She went on to say that she'd known him to drop a few trays of drinks and a few pieces of the heirloom cutlery out of his coat pocket, and maybe a few aliases had tumbled out in his references, but he gave a mean foot massage and was suitably obsequious for a houseboy.
August 4, 2008, 3:26:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Mark, Cecilia,
This is great! Carry on.
Will the pretentious houseboy be recognized for his true worth and marry Princess Anne?
Will the Coquille St Jacques on the buffet last the night?
August 4, 2008, 3:34:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
For the record, mark, are you denying you claimed to be a judge?
August 4, 2008, 3:54:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply

If I were to answer your question, Jeff, I would be off topic, and I simply refuse to go off topic. Now, go look for omens and portends in a plate of hummus.

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August 4, 2008, 4:10:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Coquille St. Jacques? Most assuredly not. It wouldn't last the hour. Find the chafing dish and the bottle of Pouilly-Fuissé, and you shall find me.
August 4, 2008, 4:14:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Olby Sucks, no, he's not. 
He had a long (5-7 years...) and stellar career as the judge of the beauty contest on Cell-Block D, until the other inmates discovered that the fix was in between he and a guy known as the Brit Boob aka Haggis Farmer. 
Although BB looked smashing in his plaid beach towel pretend kilt, after several years of winning despite fresher competition, it was pretty obvious that the fix was in.
August 4, 2008, 4:20:29 PM EDT – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
OK gang, let's swerve back into discussion of cable news.
August 4, 2008, 4:21:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Well, Johnny, there were surprises. I'd have taken Mark for a Croque monsieur guy--- lots of ham.
August 4, 2008, 4:23:55 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Well, that will be tough, Johnny. Let me simply say: the best of the Sunday shows:
- A great understanding and analysis of subtle, latent racism in the Presidential election.
- Could this guy be the top political analyst of this age? What a handle on the polls and the electorate. Nothing superficial or agenda-driven. Wow!
August 4, 2008, 4:26:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
I'll find the post, 'mark.' If it takes all day.
August 4, 2008, 4:28:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply

Good for you, Jeff! I admire tenacity, even in the pursuit of the mundane. For your reward:
Yes, I attend Democratic conventions, all save one during my adult life.
No, I am not and have never been a (trial) judge. I have been a precinct (election) judge.
August 4, 2008, 4:40:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply

olby sucks
Thanks, philby!
August 4, 2008, 4:47:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply