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From You Decide '08, February 17 2008

Update: A member of this focus group blogs about the experience.

I just saw this. I thought it was kind of a waste for them to show older campaign commercials (supposedly to see how they ranked) when some of those candidates (Romney, Giuliani) are out of the race.
Luntz would not let one woman in the audience finish her thought when she was trying to tell us the flaws of each candidate. I thought that was wrong - here someone opens up and actually thinks for herself, but since it didn't fit the format, we didn't hear all she had to say.
But then they bring Jerry Springer on for "analysis"? That was it for me.
February 18, 2008, 12:03:37 AM EST – Like – Reply

Fox Fan
I didn't get the impression that the women were shortchanged, it looked like everyone got to finish their sentences and everyone got 5-10s to answer the questions. 
Jerry Springer for analysis? Air America radio talk show host? Fox is sooooo unfair and unbalanced!!
February 18, 2008, 7:02:36 AM EST – Like – Reply

On The Mark
Both the voters and the media are having to adjust to the phenomenon of a truly charistmatic candidate. Some would argue we haven't had such a candidate since Reagan, but I would argue we haven't had a true charistmatic candidate since Bobby Kennedy. Our adjustment is sporadic, with coughs and fits, and uncomfortable. Among liberals, progressives and moderates, there is always resistance to following a trend. It violates some sense of independence, of free thought. They are a bit "bewitched, bothered and bewildered." However, when a side-by-side is made, this all becomes less bothersome. The most revealing moment of the 2008 campaign may have been after the states and the DC were called in the Potomac Primary when we had a brief two (2) panel shot of Obama at a rally in Wisconsin and McCain at an event in Northern Virginia (as I recall). Obama's rhetoric was firey and moving, and he was speaking before a diverse, energized crowd. McCain was walled in by a group of older, sedate, perhaps even sullen, white men and lacked any energy. I like McCain, and on substance, he may have "won," but this contest may not be about that. Clinton tried but failed to push us into the 21st Century, while Bush did all in his power to pull us back into the mid-20th Century. So, maybe, it is time for voters and the media to reconize that we have this new intangible with which to deal. Maybe, this election is as much about simple leadership as it is policy initiatives (something not all that appealing to policy wonks). As much as I admire and respect Luntz's work, I am not sure he has a protocol in place to deal with such a phenomenon. I am not sure he could.
Largely, Luntz is a good addition to FNC and to election coverage, in general. He simply has a more complex task than once he had.
February 18, 2008, 8:21:56 AM EST – Like – Reply

Bill Corcoran
Frank Luntz slants most of his questions to favor Republicans. He is good for Fox News, but his bias would never work anywhere else. Luntz is a lot like the Fox News Opinion Dynamics poll and the Rasmussen poll. Both those polls heavily favor Republicans and the Conservative position and hardly an indication of how most Americans think.
February 18, 2008, 9:32:25 AM EST – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Luntz also works for Norman Lear's "Express Yourself" operation. That's certainly not Fox News and as far as I know, it's working out just fine. Furthermore I'm not aware of Opinion Dynamics poll results being off to the right. Their latest has Bush's approval rate at 33%. That's a biased result?!? It's easy to claim that their polling "heavily favors" Republicans, but I've seen no data whatsoever that shows it.
February 18, 2008, 10:36:20 AM EST – Like – Reply

I don't know if anyone remembers, but Luntz appeared on Hardball for years!
February 18, 2008, 10:58:51 AM EST – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Yes, and appeared regularly on NBC as well. Plus he was a consultant to The West Wing. I may be wrong, but I don't think any of those are Fox News productions.
February 18, 2008, 11:02:20 AM EST – Like – Reply

On The Mark
What you are saying about Luntz is true, but it is also true that Luntz came to the media as a Republican pollster. Surely, no one disputes that portion of his biography. The bump in the road he hit, leading to a rather ridiculous, ill-conceived professional censure was when he was polling for Gingrich and the Contract on America. All of that aside, I have never seen any indication that he can't be objective when objectivity is the mode in which he is to be operating. When he is being merely a mouthpiece, I think he lets people know that. I find him credible.
February 18, 2008, 11:44:51 AM EST – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
I've updated the post with a link to an article by a member of this very focus group who blogs about the experience.
February 18, 2008, 4:03:22 PM EST – Like – Reply

Damian G.
Bill Corcoran | Homepage | 02.18.08 - 9:37 am | 
Rasmussen was dead-on in the 2004 and 2006 elections, and Opinion Dynamics is also a reliable source. So, yeah.
February 18, 2008, 4:20:38 PM EST – Like – Reply

Thanks so much for posting this! I wanted to send the clip to my fam back in Cali. I'm the first lady that spoke.
February 18, 2008, 4:45:08 PM EST – Like – Reply

And to reply to the first commenter, Frank was actually a good moderator. The woman that he cut off was told prior to quickly articulate what she had to say because he really liked her point but Frank warned her she didn't have much time to state it. This is supposed to be rapid fire comments. If you stuck to that format you had plenty of time to speak your point, male or female.
February 18, 2008, 4:49:25 PM EST – Like – Reply

johnny dollar
Thank you so much for stopping by and letting us know the inside workings of the focus group.
February 18, 2008, 5:52:20 PM EST – Like – Reply

Elliott Hund
I was actually one of the people on the show. I wasn't a 'plant', but Luntz gave us $75 bucks to sit there. Basically, he asked everyone about their political leanings, tried to separate us into thirds (it didn't happen, so he changed the criteria ad hoc), and then asked a bunch of questions before we were in camera. Anyone who said things he liked were moved to the front and he made a note to ask them more. A Ron Paul supporter was mocked ("Ron Paul? Where's security?). It's a joke.
February 25, 2008, 12:20:54 PM EST – Like – Reply