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Monday Links & Open Thread

Latest cable news links [updated throughout the day]:

Friday's numbers.
Shep Smith tops in demo.

Doc block stopped.

Those ubiquitous FBNers.
What is John Kasich's future?

Q&A: Howard Kurtz.

Hannity's grilling of Sarah Palin delayed. First Dude preview.

Media misinformation: inexcusable.

Today's firing demand. Bonus firing demand!

HuffPo doctors Fox video, removes Rove's Obama criticism! CNN's headline.

O'Reilly: media hero? Book preview.

Tradition wins a cable skirmish.

MSNBC's surface.

Hot & Not.

An accidental attack.
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Cecelia
Johnny,
 
The Newsday piece about Olbermann behaving himself during the Republican Convention up until his comments after the 9.11 tribute, is bunk.
 
As Master of Ceremonies from 30 Rock, his EVERY introduction of a Republican speech was replete with snarky remarks and criticism based upon the pre-release of the speech to the media.  
 
I'm not sure if the story about GE shareholders calling the network in complain is true or not, but it's not out of the realm of reason.  
 
I don't know of any reasonable person who would not have cringed in embarrassment over that sort of treatment, no matter the political party it was directed towards.
September 15, 2008, 5:51:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Conspiracy theorists aside, Ron Paul is the only republican who ran on any ticket this year. Maybe I can include Palin now too, so long as she sticks to small fed, cut programs, cut taxes. Ron Paul's extensive voting record says more than I ever could about him.
September 15, 2008, 7:04:13 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
This story F&F is running about the photographer who took a picture of McCain that did not even get published is reaching, IMHO. If she had not put the picture in her blog and Fox bring it up, no one would have seen it. The Woodward interview was a disappointment, also.
 
On the other hand, Megyn is doing a good job on the interview with the McCain staffer right now.
September 15, 2008, 9:19:44 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Interloper,  
 
I think you need to read more about the Jill Greenberg's treatment of McCain. She actually set him up to pose in what he thought was standard cover imagery photographic lighting, but instead took pictures with the sort of up-lighting used in horror picture photography.
 
Both the Atlantic Monthly editor and the author of the magazine's piece on McCain have spoken out and said that they are dismayed that she exposed the magazine to this sort of controversy and has acted so unprofessionally.
 
The pictures and Greenberg's thinking is shocking.
September 15, 2008, 10:23:10 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
The pictures and Greenberg's thinking is shocking.
Cecelia | 09.15.08 - 10:28 am | #  
 
...
 
Backwash! Get ready for more. (Most of) The mainstream media is ... irritated at the candidate and his running mate at the moment. And, who can blame? Frivolous attacks do not make merry, even for the media.
September 15, 2008, 11:07:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
Cecelia,
 
Okay, but the magazine used a very different, standard photo. The only reason AM is drawn into the controversy is because Fox keeps talking about them and this photo they keep showing, giving it millions of times more exposure than otherwise. So Fox gets the photo off some blog nobody reads, runs with the story, then talks about the controversy that they have now created.
 
Understand, I agree the photographer was wrong in what she did.
September 15, 2008, 11:09:19 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Mark
A most reasonable approach, Interloper.
September 15, 2008, 12:19:54 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Interloper,
 
In order to say that this "controversy" was ginned up by the very fact of shining a light on it to a wide audience, you have to believe that nothing very wrong was done in the first place. That this was just a matter of poor taste that would have stayed in a limited audience had it not become an issue.
 
That's not case It's not simply a matter of poor taste. McCain consented to a cover story in a major magazine, and consented to be photographed by a professional photographer of some repute. While I doubt there was an agreement that McCain's photographs would be perfected via photoshop like those of a celebrity or model, it is certainly implied that he would not be ill-used.
 
However, ill-used he was (so was Atlantic Monthly). According to the the photographers own words, she intentionally set up her equipment in order to deceive him about the sort of lighting she was using in order to take photographs that she would later use as vicious political propaganda on her website and THAT expressly in order to "shake things up".
 
For a presidential candidate to be shanghaied in this manner in the course of an agreement with a renown national magazine that had contracted with a supposed professional, is something quite outside the normal public treatment that comes with being a public person.
 
It's too bad it's not in McCain's interest to pursue it legally. Any professional who tricks a client in their care, in this manner, needs to have the hell sued out of them.  
 
It's a breach of trust stemming from a particularly ugly politicalization of things. I have no doubt that if candidate Obama had been duped in the manner for political purposes more than FNC would be decrying it and more than FNC would be asking how things got this way.
September 15, 2008, 5:06:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Congratulations to Greta for getting the first, "first dude" interview. I have been looking forward to hearing from Todd Palin and getting his perspective about Sarah's rise, the media spotlight and the rumors from the left about his family.
September 15, 2008, 5:06:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
It's a breach of trust stemming from a particularly ugly politicalization of things. I have no doubt that if Obama had been duped in the manner more than FNC would be decrying it.  
 
Mark | 09.15.08 - 11:12 am | #
 
So you're arguing that the media is going to dupe McCain too in a way that partisanly politicizes a mundane action.
 
I doubt even those shouting "NBC" at the convention would make that leap.
 
Thanks for your usual brilliance, Mark.
September 15, 2008, 5:11:41 PM EDT – Like – Reply


cee
Did I read those numbers correctly?
 
Olbermann down in 4th place in the all important demo on Friday night?
 
Maddow way behind Larry King?
 
What's going on in Obamaland, oops MSNBC?
September 15, 2008, 5:31:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Sorry, to misquote you, Mark. I"m not very good with the cut and paste thing.
September 15, 2008, 5:43:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Fox Fan
Can someone tell me why I get "Movable Type
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when trying to register with Moveable Type for OW?
 
I tried it in IE, Firefox, and Opera. No proxy or internet security software active.
September 15, 2008, 9:07:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Interloper
First Dude Palin interview was interesting, but more feature than hard news: "Which do you like better, caribou or moose meat?" Best part so far is Sarah taped after a snowmobile race in 1995. I know Greta is capable of tougher questioning, but obviously that would not have been appropriate here.
 
C: My point remains, what is the news if some photographer I never heard of posts an unflattering photo of McCain on a website nobody goes to? Do you think there is a shortage of photos that make McCain look bad? This is the same guy who had the Alien thing going on during his convention speech because of poor staff work! This is a guy who is physically deteriorating as the campaign goes on (just compare photos with how he looked in 2006). This just isn't news to me.
September 15, 2008, 10:38:43 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Interloper, yes, thankfully I do think there's a "shortage" of photos of McCain with blood dripping fangs and with a monkey pooping on his head.
September 15, 2008, 11:26:26 PM EDT – Like – Reply


Grammie
"How Jill Greenberg Really Feels About John McCain
 
When The Atlantic called Jill Greenberg, a committed Democrat, to shoot a portrait of John McCain for its October cover, she rubbed her hands with glee.
 
She delivered the image the magazine asked for—a shot that makes the Republican presidential nominee look heroic. Greenberg is well known for her highly retouched images of bears and crying babies. But she didn’t bother to do much retouching on her McCain images. “I left his eyes red and his skin looking bad,” she says.
 
It continues:
 
The Atlantic didn’t select the diabolical looking McCain for its cover. Greenberg is hoping to license that image to some other magazine (she negotiated a two-week embargo with The Atlantic so she could re-license images from the shoot before the election).
 
Warned that the image is just the kind of thing that will stir up the anti-media vitriol in the conservative blogosphere, Greenberg said, “Good. I want to stir stuff up, but not to the point where I get audited if he becomes president.”
 
"Given her strong feelings about John McCain, we asked whether she had any reservations about taking the assignment in the first place.
 
“I didn’t,” she says. “It’s definitely exciting to shoot someone who is in the limelight like that. I am a pretty hard core Democrat. Some of my artwork has been pretty anti-Bush, so maybe it was somewhat irresponsible for them [The Atlantic] to hire me.” "
 
http://www.pdnpulse.com/2008/09/how-jill-greenb.html
 
The above is from PDNPULSE, a professional trade blog by the editors of Photo District News.
 
The story was picked up there and found its way to larger blogs before reaching cable news.
 
Greenberg's behavior went beyond the obvious unprofessionalism displayed into morally and intellectually dishonest behavior. The crowning touch to that is her attitude that the Atlantic Monthly shoud have known the dirty tricks she had in mind.
 
I agree with Cecelia that this is a story that should be reported and discussed.
September 16, 2008, 2:10:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply


Cecelia
Yeah, I'd like to discuss when it was that so many people... professional people... decided that it isn't enough to support a candidate by giving money, volunteering time, etc., no... EVERYONE has now got to be some sort of campaign operative at best...stealth revolutionary agent at worst.
 
Did Supreme Court decision of 2000 bring that on? Did the breaking of the grip of what Howard Fineman describes as the American Media Party do it?
 
Perhaps, this phenomenon is just another example of how our entire culture has been given over to eternal adolescence?
September 16, 2008, 9:49:20 AM EDT – Like – Reply