...Now, I must tell you that when I come out and I say, on television, look, it's fair to look at this class of illegal immigrants differently, I get hate mail. I do! I get hate mail--[from] people who say… you're not what you used to be, you have no spine… I'm saying to myself, look--there is a right and wrong in this world, alright? And if you're a child, and your parents take you anywhere, you don't have a say in it. And then they dump you there, and then you, for whatever reason, prosper, and you do good things and you're responsible, I'm going to kick you out? Think about it!

And then [people] say, "Well, you're taking jobs from Americans…" I'm not taking anything from anybody. The vast majority of these people [are] already in the workforce--they're already doing stuff to make a living, and if they're not, they're on the dole, which, we don't want them there anyway, do we? I mean, that's a drain.

So yeah, you can be a hard[-liner], and say, look, if you're not born here and you don't have a birth certificate… we're going to kick you all out. But the government's never going to do that, ever, in a million years--[never] are they going to round up people and throw them out. [It's] not going to happen.

So, in lieu of that, what else is the solution? There is no solution. You just do the shadow game, and that's what we're doing, and the shadow game is costing us gazillions of dollars. So, in theory, Congress should pass a law that creates a certain class of illegal immigrants who are here not on their own ticket, and deal with them separately--that's fair. That's what a good country does. That's what an effective government does--it takes a look at the situation and it finds a solution. But to impose it, as the president is doing because he want to get votes, is venal, and it's unconstitutional--simply unconstitutional.

So that's where we are on this, and again, I'm in business to tell you the truth. I'm not in business to pander to anybody, and it gets me angry when I see these right-wingers and left-wingers who… are smart enough to know what the right and wrong of it is, but they don't care. They measure and they calculate what… their audience wants to hear, and then they feed it to them. That's what MSNBC is, all day long… and some in… right-wing talk radio do that… all day long. They don't care what's fair; they don't care what's true. They sit down and they calculate, "How can I please my far-left viewers? Or my far-right viewers? And that's what I'll say."

You know, we never have done that here--ever, in 16 years. And… [if] we have to take the heat, we take it, but the people who give that kind of heat? Sometimes I question [them], really. I mean, I respect you if you feel [we] should have a zero-tolerance program toward illegal aliens. If that's your sincere belief, that you would, if you were president, round them all up and throw them all out? Okay--you're not wrong, legally; you could do that, legally. But morally, I think you've got to have some room here… we're a compassionate nation--we always have been, and I think we should continue that, rather than [being] a hard-line China-type place. ...