Thursday Links & Open Thread
Latest cable news links [7:37 pm]:
Q&A: Chris Wallace.
Wednesday's numbers.
FBN: insignificant? Analysis.
Obama rally at...CNN HQ!
Stelter: blogger blooper lawsuit.
Idols on King. Video: Fox & Friends, Alexis Glick with the winner.
MSNBC's suspect cyber suggestions.
Kevin Spacey's cinema sales job.
Airport argument part trois [updated].
O'Reilly protester pink-slipped. Shock: outrage ensues.
Hotline quotes.
Keith consolidates Kos connection.
Madison murder probe.
Alan's hate mail.
Today's boycott.
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Mike Chimeri
I just watched the video of yesterday's "After the Show Show," but I didn't come here until after I'd watched it at FOXNews.com. I didn't know it was up here. It was great. For the record, the two comedians Karl Rove was talking about from last year's Radio and Television Correspondents' Dinner were Colin Mochrie and Brad Sherwood. Brad is the one that brought Karl to the stage for the infamous MC Rove improv rap.
I interviewed Colin and Brad respectively when I had my radio show at WCWP.
It's great to at least see the Boston version of Keith Olbermann, Barry Nolan, get fired. Now, if only the national version, Keith himself, could also be fired. Too bad that won't happen.
May 22, 2008, 1:35:24 AM EDT – Like – Reply
U.S.S. Nixon
Rove is the man.. Guy is funny as hell. I can't wait for his book
May 22, 2008, 1:54:16 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
So this Barry Nolan character gets canned because of his massive crusade against O'Reilly? Good! It's good to know that SOME journalistic entity feels it inappropriate to be obsessed with pulling down another personality in the media.
It would be nice if MSNBC would follow suit.
May 22, 2008, 7:55:22 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Missy
Sorry, Mike. I didn't read your comment before posting, but now that I've done so, I basically echoed what you said!
May 22, 2008, 7:56:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
SteveMG
If Barry Nolan thought that O'Reilly didn't deserve the award he didn't have to go to the ceremony or continue being a member of the organization that gave the award.
Just don't go. And then just quit.
What's amazing in his criticism is that O'Reilly "attacks the media" and shouldn't have been honored because of that.
Well, Bill Moyers has regularly excoriated the press over the past three decades for being corporate controlled or too conservative or not aggressive enough against Republicans. Yet he has received dozens if not hundreds of awards from press groups for his work.
Nolan's dislike of O'Reilly is clearly ideological or political and not professional.
Professional. There's a concept that Mr. Nolan is not familiar with.
May 22, 2008, 9:52:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
"Professional. There's a concept that Mr. Nolan is not familiar with.
SteveMG | 05.22.08 - 9:57 am | # "
I think that concept is anathema to many so called "progressives",
b/c it would interfere with their getting their own political views out to the exclusion of any contrasting or contradictory views.
May 22, 2008, 6:17:20 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
Wed numbers, another Ingraham smack down on KO as her numbers bury his sorry rear end.
May 22, 2008, 8:57:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
We'll see how E.D. did tonight when the numbers come out tomorrow. Keep your fingers crossed.
May 22, 2008, 9:08:37 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
my fingers are crossed regarding Foxnews beating out KO. Sorry Mike, E.D. will not come close to Laura's #'s. period.
May 22, 2008, 9:22:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Numbers aside. E.D. did a great job!
May 22, 2008, 9:26:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
numbers aside, please spare me.
May 22, 2008, 9:30:09 PM EDT – Like – Reply
John-O
I just got through reading the Nolan link. Apparently this low-life went as far as to distribute 3 pages from the Andrea Mackris lawsuit to people at the awards ceremony. I knew about Nolan and his protest for a while now, but I had no idea he was a fanatical hater of the Mike Stark ilk.
So he lost his job? Good. Keith, here's your sign!
May 22, 2008, 9:32:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I agree.
Meanwhile, predictably, Oralmann made Comcast the Worse Person ("the bronze") for tonight. Tokyo Rosebermann then made Gen. Petraeus Worser and, for the second time this week, made Lt. Col. Oliver North Worst. Two military men in one night. Keith Olbermahn (misspelling intentional), why do you hate our troops?
May 22, 2008, 9:35:33 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
memo to Mike and Olby Sucks, Laura did better yesterday than any FoXNews offering in this primary season. So get the message, she pulls #'s far beyond what ED Hill pulls. Get real and understand what is going on.
May 22, 2008, 9:39:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I wonder how Keith would react if, say, someone on Tucker's staff distributed printouts from the karmabites blog all about Keith and his rather unsavory treatment of (and sub-par performance with) one of his fans in a hotel room. Would he make MSNBC "worst" if that staffer were fired? Would he defend the guy for passing around private information of that sort?
It's amazing what a hateful hypocrite Oralmann is.
May 22, 2008, 9:41:30 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
I don't think OS or Mike will argue the fact that E.D. doesn't pull the kind of numbers Laura does. That's clear from the published data. But that doesn't mean they can't HOPE that she'll do well enough to beat Olby. Such a wish is one that should be shared by all believers in true journalism.
May 22, 2008, 9:44:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
How long before Barry Nolan is hired by MSNBC?
The link to Brian Maloney's post about the Nolan firing reaction has a link to Melanie Morgan's site which links to a petition to get Olby fired for asking Laura and Mark what I asked him a few comments ago:
http://melaniemorgan.start-a-petition.com/
There's a handful of far-left joke signatures, but the rest are legit. I'm signature #296.
May 22, 2008, 9:48:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
Mike Chimeri | Homepage | 05.22.08 - 9:40 pm |
So if you criticise a felon convicted (But overturned on a technicality) of lying to Congress you then hate the troops?
Did you ever criticize Jim Webb?John Kerry?Wes Clark? Jon Soltz?General Sanchez?Do you hate the troops?
May 22, 2008, 9:58:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
Correction please. Let's not have any smears here. Ollie North is not a felon and was never convicted. When a conviction is overturned (and in North's case there was no conviction, even later overturned, of "lying to Congress"), that means legally it never happened. There was no retrial and no conviction. So there will be no calling people felons who are not felons on this site, regardless of who they are.
May 22, 2008, 10:09:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Thanks, Johnny.
May 22, 2008, 10:17:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
OK,he's not technically a convicted felon.But will you admit that he would be if not for a court overtuning his conviction?My friend from the Haight isn't a felon either,but they never gave his kilo back.
While we're on insults,what about this fella with the screen name "Olby Sucks".He shouldn't pick on Oblio.A Harry Nillson fan might Point out that is rude.
May 22, 2008, 10:22:12 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
I have a difficult time writing without puns and jokes and asides popping through my head,but I will try to be serious for a moment.
I really resent,and I find it grossly unfair,that anyone makes the generalization that if one criticizes a General,a Colonel,or a war,then one must "hate the troops".
May 22, 2008, 10:27:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
You win. I'm sorry.
May 22, 2008, 10:35:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Grammie
" OK,he's not technically a convicted felon.But will you admit that he would be if not for a court overtuning his conviction?"
I'm going by memory here, and at my age that can be a crap shoot, but weren't the charges thrown out before any trial took place?
May 22, 2008, 10:39:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> he would be if not for a court overtuning his conviction?
And he would not be but for a trial that was ruled so unfair as to be moot. You can resort to the iffy bag as much as you like, but it's still a smear, and maybe even libel, to call someone a felon who isn't one.
> A Harry Nillson fan might Point out that is rude.
Well, let's all sing "me and my arrow"!
> if one criticizes a General,a Colonel,or a war,then one must "hate the troops".
I took that as a parody of Olbermann's frothing that Laura Ingraham, who has actually gone to the war zone to visit the soldiers, "hates the troops". That's what it made me think of anyhow.
May 22, 2008, 10:44:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
North was tried in 1988 in relation to his activities while at the National Security Council. He was indicted on sixteen felony counts and on May 4, 1989, he was initially convicted of three: accepting an illegal gratuity, aiding and abetting in the obstruction of a congressional inquiry, and destruction of documents
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oliver_North
Grammie,don't know what you think of Wiki,but it was the nearest concise source.Interesting that North's conviction was overturned with assistance from the ACLU.
May 22, 2008, 10:48:07 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"I took that as a parody of Olbermann's frothing that Laura Ingraham, ..."hates the troops".
A parody of a parody.OK.
May 22, 2008, 10:51:18 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> don't know what you think of Wiki
You should read my post on that subject. Might open your eyes.
Some time I'll try to figure out what this overturned trial has to do with anything anyhow. I don't think Olbermann named him worst person twice because he is NOT a felon. If he WERE a felon, then Olby could make him a guest expert and invite him on his show a dozen times.
May 22, 2008, 10:56:32 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
You can't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
May 22, 2008, 11:03:53 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
I,m old enough to remember the whole sordid affair with Col North.I don't believe everything I read on Wiki,but I doubt that Grammie would take my word for it (not that I'd blame her).
Others went to jail over Iran-Contra,North got lucky.His conviction was overturned because he had been granted immunity for testimony to Congress,and his immunized testemony was used against him.
I'm not a lawyer,so I can't argue the logic of the Appeals Court.But we are a nation of laws.When people can ignore the law because they are following a higher calling with impunity,we become an anarchy.
Don't get me wrong,I'm all for civil disobedience for a higher cause (the Berrigan brothers come to mind).But if you do the crime,do the time.It adds substance to your moral cause.
May 22, 2008, 11:15:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Getting back to cable news, to Jeff Zucker, I say maybe FBN would have more viewers if the cable outlets that don't carry the channel would hurry up and add to their lineup already. I'm addressing Cablevision in particular. They're moving a few channels to only be available through cable box on June 3. I'd hope that sets up FBN's addition; not to mention a few other channels I'd like added, especially on the HD side.
May 22, 2008, 11:20:08 PM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
"...SOME journalistic entity feels it inappropriate to be obsessed with pulling down another personality in the media"
That's from Missy.She and others seem to be celebrating the firing of this Nolan fellow because he went after O'Rielly.Now I don't watch O'Rielly,and correct me if I'm wrong,but doesn't he frequently campaign against the so-called "liberal media".
So what is the difference between what Mr O'Rielly does and what Mr Nolan did?
May 22, 2008, 11:28:27 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
Okay, the thread is yours. I quit.
See the rest of you in the Friday thread whenever it's posted.
May 22, 2008, 11:41:38 PM EDT – Like – Reply
johnny dollar
> what is the difference between what Mr O'Rielly does and what Mr Nolan did?
Did O'Reilly circulate unconfirmed allegations about someone else's sex life, handing out xeroxes of them at an Emmy ceremony? Sheesh. Anyone who works in the industry and did that to ANYONE else should be surprised if they weren't canned.
May 23, 2008, 12:07:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
nvh, where is otm?
May 23, 2008, 12:53:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
notveryhow
johnny dollar | Homepage | 05.23.08 - 12:12 am |
"unconformed allegations"
Now I've read transcripts purported to be Mr O'Rielly's conversations with Ms Mackris.Are those transcripts falsehoods?Sounds like a libel suit made in heaven.And didn't Mr O'Rielly settle that suit?
Though I agree with you that Mr Nolan certainly took the low road in his critisisms of Mr O'Rielly.He should have stuck with the high road of just things that O'Rielly said on air.IMO,that's more than enough.
And speaking of allegations,what is "..."karmabites blog all about Keith and his rather unsavory treatment of (and sub-par performance with) one of his fans in a hotel room".Never heard of this.Was it in court?Are there transcripts?
And Oblio,you've been stalking me for days.I know OTC,OMB and OCD, what is an otm?
May 23, 2008, 7:24:51 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Thanks, philby!
May 23, 2008, 10:53:59 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Olby Sucks, I know you have a proven record of spotting the person behind the alias, but I personally think that OTM was a tad sharper than nvh and that nvh is not similarly so prone to cant.
May 23, 2008, 12:00:44 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
OTM is a commenter named On The Mark. I think he gave up commenting here. He was the most rational of the left-leaning commenters.
Now, on to the Friday thread.
May 23, 2008, 12:40:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Cecelia, how soon you forget about 'rudy ramirez.'
May 23, 2008, 2:09:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
OTM is a commenter named On The Mark. I think he gave up commenting here. He was the most rational of the left-leaning commenters.
by mike
If you only knew!
May 23, 2008, 4:34:50 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Mike Chimeri
I do know, but I can't break confidentiality.
May 23, 2008, 6:51:28 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Fox Fan
I agree with Chimeri here, OTM is much more well-spoken than nvl. You seem to have a knack for spotting s-puppets but OTM has left this site AFAIK. Can't break confidentiality either...
May 23, 2008, 10:54:42 PM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Is she in Iraq single handedly defuzing IED's to ensure that no more innocent Iraqi's are blown up, just our soldiers, again?
May 24, 2008, 1:19:57 AM EDT – Like – Reply
olby sucks
Catching cougars with her bare hands? Both?
May 25, 2008, 10:54:37 AM EDT – Like – Reply
