Monday Links and Open Thread
Latest cable news links [updated through the day]:
Campbell's second son.
Friday's numbers: another FNC sweep!
Beck: crazy, or insane?
CNBC's hell: is the fix in?
Q&A: O'Reilly (via ICN), HLN's Ken Jautz, Willie Geist.
Profiles: Big Ed, Beck, Roland Martin.
Friedman's fate: overkill? He's out!
UPS denies boycott.
Hot & Not. Vote: Trace v Lester.
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Blackflon
Who will be the first News Hound to cover the UPS story denying that they cancelled ads on O'Reilly?
crickets anyone??
April 6, 2009, 9:58:05 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
FNC fire Roger Friedman over allegations that he "Promoted" Piracy.
"He promoted piracy. He basically suggested that viewing a stolen film is OK, which is absolutely intolerable. So we fired him," a source told me Saturday. "Fox News acted promptly on all fronts."
Didn't Hannity do the same thing during his TV show?...After all he also admitted to watching bootleg DVDs.
Will Fox terminate Hannity?
April 6, 2009, 9:59:29 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
Who will be the first News Hound to cover the UPS story denying that they cancelled ads on O'Reilly?
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I can tell you who won't be "covering" it. See 10:04.
April 6, 2009, 10:30:11 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
I can tell you who won't be "covering" it. See 10:04.
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 04.06.09 - 10:35 am | #
Bingo!!
April 6, 2009, 11:14:38 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Didn't Hannity do the same thing during his TV show?...After all he also admitted to watching bootleg DVDs.
Haggis | 04.06.09 - 10:04 am | #
No, that's not what happened.
April 6, 2009, 11:40:17 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
I realize that this post is pushing it, but I would like to pay tribute to the Newshounds for all that they give us. Perhaps some of you may wish to join me.
The Long Island Railroad in New York is having a contest to name two of its "dinkies" that will be placed into a railroad museum. Dinkies are small locomotives. The online entry with all details and photos of the dinkies can be found here.
http://www.newsday.com/news/local/transportation/ny-locomotive,0,1096294.htmlstory
I've voted for "The L'il Feller" for Eric/Patrick/FNIF/Babs/Michael T/Michael W as the yellow one the left. For the other, I've chosen "The Patsy".
April 6, 2009, 12:46:51 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Blackflon
I vote the yellow one for our friend Mr. Weston because of his cowardice in using vile language.
April 6, 2009, 1:23:21 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
No, that's not what happened.
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 11:45 am |
Come on Ashley....lets hear it....what really happened. How you'll spin Hannity admitting to watching pirated DVDs on air LIVE!!!....I don't know.
April 6, 2009, 1:31:57 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Haggis - you asked questions and I answered. Why don't you back up your claim with a specific quote that clearly shows Hannity saying that viewing a "stolen film" is OK, that Hannity "promoted piracy".
Your claim Haggy.
I would be careful there Haggy with your claim that Friedman was fired. Neither Fox nor Friedman has said such a thing. You need to be careful as your previous and similar claims turn out to be spot off, such as your claim that UPS fired BOR and cancelled its advertising with him over the Alexa affair.
April 6, 2009, 1:52:24 PM EDT – Like – Reply
puck30
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 1:57 pm
Now, Now Ashley!
YOOOOOOOU know that when Olby speaks 'Thruth To Power' there's no room for debate.
Never mind the real story that was put out by UPS. They must be lying! LOL!
BTW, I just was over at that Newshounds site, do they not let any opposite opinions appear in their comment box? Whoa! Very fragile egos over there. Plus, there are words printed in the comment thread that would get you tossed over here.
A blog that will rant all day about a news cable station not being fair and balanced, but they will not let a fair and balanced debate take place on their site.
It's just me but I think Haggis and Pegleg should give Mr. Dollar thanks and a tip of the cap for letting opposite views be shown and read, it seems that is NOT allowed over there at NH.
April 6, 2009, 2:45:31 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 1:57 pm |
As I suspected all along....Ashley can't back up his claim...So he violently veers off into new territory....that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.
April 6, 2009, 3:41:52 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Haggis -
You asked a question. I answered the question. You don't like my answer, fine.
You asked the question in such a way as to slime Hannity. Typical operating procedure for you.
"He promoted piracy. He basically suggested that viewing a stolen film is OK, which is absolutely intolerable. So we fired him," a source told me Saturday. "Fox News acted promptly on all fronts." Didn't Hannity do the same thing during his TV show?...After all he also admitted to watching bootleg DVDs.
Hannity did not suggest that viewing a stolen film is OK. Haggy, if you can provide a quote disputing that, please do.
Got it?
By the way, I can't help but notice that you've been silent over the UPS issue.
April 6, 2009, 4:19:10 PM EDT – Like – Reply
vstol
From he who can't, won't, ignores requests to, back up his claims, goes underground hoping upon his return, popping up out of his hole, no one will see his shadow and remember all the unanswered questions, unsubstantiated claims, misrepresentations and intentionally obtuse accusations to accuse another of "violently veering off into new territory....that has absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand" is the epitome of a gander screwing the goose and then blaming the goose for not being chaste.
April 6, 2009, 4:28:47 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
vstol | Homepage | 04.06.09 - 4:33 pm | #
V - any idea of what he meant by my "violently veering off"? Violent?
I can only theorize his attitude today by thinking he's off "spanking (his) monkey" as he would say.
April 6, 2009, 5:03:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
As we've come to expect, FNC is doing quite stellar in the ratings. Congrats to all of the FNC team for being #1 across the board. Besides being #1 in the demo from Beck through to Greta, I also noticed something else that just goes to show how popular FNC really is.
In total viewers:
Beck beats CNN/MSNBC COMBINED.
Baier beats CNN/MSNBC/HNN COMBINED
Shep beats CNN/MSNBC COMBINED
Bill O beats CNN/MSNBC/HNN COMBINED.
Hannity beats CNN/MSNBC/HNN COMBINED.
Greta beats CNN/MSNBC combined.
Great work to all of FNC, they continue to show why FNC is the #1 Cable News Network.
April 6, 2009, 5:17:02 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 4:24 pm |
Ashley you've got to remember....That Hannity supporters hang on his every word. So when Hannity proclaims that he watches pirated DVDs...These folk think if it's all right for Hannity it's all right for me....Hence Hannity's promoting piracy.
April 6, 2009, 5:25:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
I can't help but notice that you've been silent over the UPS issue.
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 4:24 pm | #
Yes, but, his silence on the matter is golden.
April 6, 2009, 5:35:25 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Ashley you've got to remember....That Hannity supporters hang on his every word. So when Hannity proclaims that he watches pirated DVDs...These folk think if it's all right for Hannity it's all right for me....Hence Hannity's promoting piracy.
This is funny, from Haggis who only days ago stood by Keith Olbermann and told us all that KO should not apologize for false smearing.
I'm sorry Haggis, but I've got to say it, you are either purposely slanting the truth in this matter or you are completely lacking in critical thinking skills.
He never claimed to watch "pirated" DVDs. He mentioned one bootleg DVD, "Benjamin Button", which actually did not turn out to be a true "Bootleg".
In this case, it was one movie, but you would have the world falsely believe that he "Watches pirated DVDs". Your use of the word "watches" denotes past, present, and future viewing, in other words, multiple DVDs that he has viewed in the past, is viewing in the current day, and will view in the future.
Your false analysis of Hannity Advocating the illegal distribution of movies is just that, false analysis and a false argument.
Now if you have proof that Hannity illegaly downloaded or sold pirated movies, then please produce it.
Will you provide such evidence?
Answer the question, will you provide such evidence?
April 6, 2009, 5:36:40 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Olby Sucks | Homepage | 04.06.09 - 5:40 pm |
OS it appears your stumped on the meaning of the UPS statement. They said they had no ads running at the moment...But they never said they'll be placing ads in the future. Simple company spin...I'd have thought basic undercover skills would have trained you in how to read this sort of spin...Ask for your money back.
April 6, 2009, 5:46:01 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
"In this case, it was one movie, but you would have the world falsely believe that he "Watches pirated DVDs""
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 5:41 pm |
Ashley...you have no proof that he hasn't watched multiple pirated DVDs....I say if he knows the terminology...then it's not a large leap to say he's watched other pirated DVDs.
April 6, 2009, 5:56:15 PM EDT – Like – Reply
david smawley
It's kind of fun to have HF here from time to time engaging in back and forths that I find amusing. But, after 4 or 5 posts he has added nothing to a debate that is at a dead end street.
Please Haggis, find another subject to blow out of proportion, this has become tedious and boring. Let's talk about the collapse of CNN ratings for example, which is a much more important discussion. They must make changes or will not even be a factor in the cable news rating wars.
April 6, 2009, 6:15:06 PM EDT – Like – Reply
cee
"They said they had no ads running at the moment"
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No Haggis, that is what you got out of their statement. They also said they did not pull their advertising from Fox...I get from that that they did not respond to pressure from anyone in regards to removing FOX as a place for their advertising. If I had a wish in this dispute, that part of the statement would make me smile.
UPS is obviously being diplomatic and talking out of both sides of their mouth.
I thought you would be a bit smarter in seeing they are saying positive things to both sides of this silliness as to try not to offend either.
They obviously succeeded with you.
I personally do not see the financial sense in advertising anywhere but on FNC among the three news cablers. They are the only one with healthy numbers and with audiences willing to spend money. They also win the key demo consistantly, especially Mr. O'Reilly.
I wonder what the comparison is in advertsing rates among the three news cablers?
April 6, 2009, 6:34:48 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Ashley...you have no proof that he hasn't watched multiple pirated DVDs....I say if he knows the terminology...then it's not a large leap to say he's watched other pirated DVDs.
Haggis | 04.06.09 - 6:01 pm | #
Haggis - you have no proof that he has watched multiple pirated DVDs. You only have your speculation. But if you disagree, then provide proof. If you don't provide proof, that means that you were flat out lying to us when you claimed that you dealt only in facts, not speculation.
April 6, 2009, 6:36:49 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Answer the question, will you provide such evidence?
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 5:41 pm | #
Obviously, Haggis cannot provide such evidence.
April 6, 2009, 6:42:05 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Bottom line on the UPS -
1) They did not pull their advertising from BOR in protest over the Alexa affair.
2) MSNBC/Keith Olbermann lied and has not retracted the comment.
3) J$ was absolutely correct when he wrote last week about the ICN website article:
That's pretty weasly wording. They don't say they're stopping, but they have no plans to continue. Which means they may have already stopped because their ad run concluded, or they decided to lay off cable ads for a while, or for some other reason predating this whole kerfuffle. Does anyone remember the last time there was a UPS ad?
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.27.09 - 5:47 pm | #
4) Haggis' analysis was spot off when he wrote:
UPS obviously don't want their business linked to this sort of thing.
Haggis | 03.27.09 - 6:00 pm | #
5) I'm wondering how Haggis' speculation worked out for him:
Bill will be told this bad news right before recording tonight's show....Will he be able to hold his anger back....I think not....I'm fearing an ugly outburst...this could end in more trouble for the embattled showman.
Haggis | 03.27.09 - 6:44 pm | #
I wonder if J$ is still wondering:
Man I'm still reeling from that ugly outburst tonight, the one that will mean trouble for Mr Bill. You know, the one Haggis told us was coming.
johnny dollar | Homepage | 03.27.09 - 8:55 pm | #
April 6, 2009, 6:57:36 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Haggis
Ashley | 04.06.09 - 6:47 pm |
Where's your evidence he's only ever watched one?
The way he so casually announced his use of pirated DVDs....Most certainly didn't sound like a 1st time offender. Be interesting to know if he's seen X-men. Probably slipped into his chubby fingers by cameraman 2 during a UPS free ad break.
April 6, 2009, 7:17:22 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Insert Witty Name Here
Haggis must be in excellent physical condition with all the goal post moving he engages in.
April 6, 2009, 7:39:11 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Olby Sucks
No Haggis, that is what you got out of their statement.
by cee
No, it's what he got from think progress....
April 6, 2009, 8:03:45 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Cecelia
Haggis must be in excellent physical condition with all the goal post moving he engages in.
Insert Witty Name Here | 04.06.09 - 7:44 pm | #
The only "goal" our little net operative Haggis holds is 'obfuscation over elucidation'.
April 6, 2009, 8:10:13 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Where's your evidence he's only ever watched one?
Haggis | 04.06.09 - 7:22 pm | #
Haggis - you are getting quite good at asking dumb questions. Congrats!
April 6, 2009, 8:48:17 PM EDT – Like – Reply
Emily Litella
I just don't understand how those kooky Canadians at MACLEANS.CA can call Glen Beck crazy just because he praised the Birch John Society when he was on CNN.
How does advocating for the use of wooden toilet seats make someone mentally unstable? Sounds like a pretty weak excuse used by some loose, irregular movement just to dump on Mr. Beck.
If you ask me, it stinks.
April 7, 2009, 5:16:41 AM EDT – Like – Reply
onefortheroad
Emily Litella | Homepage | 04.07.09 - 5:21 am | #
Did you read the article or did you stop at the reference to the John Birch Society?
This kooky Canadian does not read the article as condemning of Beck as "crazy". The article suggests that Beck is trying to achieve this 'craziness on purpose', and that he is succeeding.
I'd give quotes but after yesterdays experience, I will assume they are not allowed.
April 7, 2009, 11:49:36 AM EDT – Like – Reply
Ashley
Miss Litella - may I say I have enjoyed your editorial statements on NBC, but it seems like it has been 30 years since your last one! Today's was quite excellent, and very reminiscent of your previous opinion piece on endangered feces.
April 7, 2009, 12:16:39 PM EDT – Like – Reply
